I love how Sansa said "winterfell is yours, your Grace" in the most disdainful, girly way possible. Only a woman can slap another woman with just a look and supposed courtesy. 😁
That's actually quite stupid of her. It's like she didn't learned anything from her journey. She fainted loyalty to Joffrey and cersei. But here she can't keep her mouth shut to someone that she distrusts. D&D fuckin failed hard on this one. They thing taunting someone is what makes you badass. Which is just pathetic. Daenerys has a crap ton of power. You don't just mock a person like that in the face unless you have a death wish or something.
@Deep space 9 Because she gave everything to people who never thanked her and end up stabbing her in the back. Can you develop at least a little? Stop hating a non-existent character for no reason. Daenerys still remains the face of the show. The last three episodes do not change that. She didn't bring dragons back to life, restore her house name being the only survivor and end the culture of slavery and rape in Essos, all being underage, for you to come and say this bullshit. But yeah my friend, make the North great again I guess.
@Deep space 9 Lol, the Targaryens ruled 150 years without dragons, so your argument it's pointless for me. The Starks didn't win, because the war was between Daenerys and Cercei. In any case, the one who won was a white man with superpowers who did absolutely nothing to win the throne and is there only by his surname, while the one who deserved it most was sent into exile and was part of his own family. The rest about Daenerys is bad writing, but respectfully, you are a Stark stan so I don't expect you to understand it.
@@humayunkabir5837 It's because Sophie Turner became a good actress as she got older & plays bitchy & angry well. Emilia C is stiff & speaks in a monotone in a lot of GoT. She didn't have chemistry with anyone after the 1st season cuz she thinks playing powerful means using a flat tone & barely changing her expression.
I love that line as well but I really didn’t see her intelligent, she made mistakes on top of mistakes. I will give her credit for surviving in kings landing but she never acted like she had any wits about her.
@@mistermonologue2442that line was partial foreshadowing. Jon walked into that meeting intending to be coy, but the more he let on, the more Dany (and her advisors) fell for him.
Sansa is the most powerful female character cuz she wasn’t supposed to survive but she did and she grew into a WOMAN, and did it all without lifting a “little” finger.
@@Secondaccount31 in the books she is the best! (Plus there is no rape nor marriage to Ramsey and remains a virgin) she is incredibly witty and has surpassed LF in being cunning and careful. She is one of the smartest characters in GOT read the fucking books
@@dandelionwine8871 coming out of a Sansa stan.. Pretentious and ungrateful Sansa, whose ass is warm and safe just because of Danny and Jon.. But sure, whatewz...
that little chuckle she did before 'thanking her', she got from margaery and then when she switched to brutally honest, without blinking an eye (a part that was cut out), she got that from cersei
I just don't understand how they could put these two in all these scenes that show them having SOOOO much chemistry, yet still try and push Dany at Jon for so many episodes when they had ZERO chemistry. Even if we all ignored that, Jon would never actually fall in love with someone as batshit power hungry as Dany.
Exactly- it drives me nuts that people (including Dany herself, but her fans even more so) try to spin it as though she did the North this huuuuge favor and gave soooo much out of the goodness of her heart, as if she didn't have every bit as much stake in defeating the army of the dead as anyone else! Dany's fans tend to talk like the Northerners should have fallen at her feat in thanks and adoration for fighting with them, and I'm like... yes, it was great that she fought and I know she lost a great deal in it, but good grief, they didn't OWE it to her to give up their independence just because she did what any reasonable person would do and helped fight to ensure that the whole world wouldn't become an army of the dead. And especially when they already had someone they knew and trusted, who had been fighting that same fight for YEARS and literally gave his life for it with zero expectations of anything in return... of course they were going to still gravitate to Jon! If Dany had been open to allowing them their independence, thereby proving to them that she had fought because it was what was right and not to get anything additional out of it, then maybe they *would* have started trusting her. But she didn't.
@@stephaniel2850 Stop the bullshit. It doesn't matter if was everybody's duty to defeat the dead. At the end of the day, no Dany no win. You don't think a ounce of gratitude was warranted? All they did was talk behind that girl's back instead of confronting her face to face (including her remaining advisors). Yes, they did owe her. Just like D&D, you forgot that Jon bent his knee to her. She didn't put a gun to his head to do it, so yes, they are beholden to her. Their king literally got on one knee to support HER cause. What did they do to her in return? Commit treason and spread rumors to destroy her RIGHT after she saved their lives. What is that called? TREASON, that's the word. If Dany wanted to behead Sansa and Jon because of their unlawful treason, she would be in the right to do so. The same way Saint Jon beheaded Jonos Slynt, am I right? Ohhhh, but since Jon is not the son of some mad man, it's okay for him to execute somebody. Keep the same energy with Daenerys and how she decides to deal with her traitors. Y'all are so bias when it comes to daenerys. Everything she does have some hidden evil agenda to it LOL. Two faced backwards mfs
@@stephaniel2850 one more thing, Daenerys doesn't have to grant them shit. They're not more special than the rest of the kingdoms. Jahaerys (butchered his name), the best king ever didn't allow independence, he actually abolished it. He brought independant kingdoms to together because when too many realms are segregated, there creates excess tension between the entire ring. If one kingdom is granted independence, the rest will ask and lead to more problems. OHHHHH but you Dany haters forgot JUST LIKE D&D that she was open to hearing the Iron Islands asking for their independence (season 7?)
@@laphonz The North owed Dany nothing. It was her responsibility: for starters she was fighting for her and her peoples survival, Jon bent the knee, the north was then part of her territory. Moreover, it was her dragon the knight king used to go over the wall. Arya killed the knight king, Dany along with dragons and army were useless. The North would have been fine without Dany, she was not the 'alfa and omega' ya think her to be (the battle and her tragic end proved that). Janos Slynt was a nightswatch same as Jon, very much within his Jurisdiction so Jon's act was justifiable. Dany on the other hand, went around burning people who were not within her jurisdiction.
@@laphonz So what if they couldn't win without Dany? It was Dany's fight as much as the North's. She was fighting for her survival and benefit as much as anyone else's. Also Jon bending the knee was a unilateral decision made by Jon and him alone. Why would the North be as compliant as Jon was, when they had no say in the decision to bend the knee to her?
Jon killed the mad woman once Tyrion told him that she will come for Sansa . Jon would do anything for her he trusted and admired her so much! And their chemistry??? Chef kiss!
I support this ship, specially now that they both know they are cousins and not brother and sister. Wich was a normal kind of relation for starks and other houses, buuuut I highly doubt that will happen anyway.
They were also very distant as children. Sansa sided with her mother. So there was really no sibling love between them growing up at all. So different from Arya and Jon. Which makes you wonder.
Or you know, they could’ve just ruled the North as brother and sister, King and Regent. No romantic relationship involved. They’re pretty much Ned and Cat in their prime.
@From a Bicycle seat Jon and Dragon mother fell in love too quickly, it's a very boring plot. But Jon and sansa built their trust, love and care for each other gradually since they reunited, which makes a lot of sense if they really fall in love, and as a more interesting plot.
since its fact now that John was a targarayan and Sansa is a stark, their marriage would have been the strongest union in the 7 kingdoms till date. and not only that John is a copy of ned stark and Sansa is a copy of catelyn stark would actually make them a deadly alliance together. add the fact that the emotional and sexual chemistry between them was fairly evident, they'd actually be a faithful couple to each other. ohh and the little fact that Sansa saw John beating Ramsey into a pulp showed that he probably was the only man in her life that would actually do what he says and protect her. that melts a woman any which way.
I agree, for this reason alone they'd have made the strongest alliance. Their marriage would have tied together the entire realm, as the Starks are kings/queens of the north, and the Targaryen's are kings/queens of the south. Not all is lost, though. Even in the show Jon lives at the Night's Watch on the wall, not far from Winterfell. He could easily receive a pardon in time, much as Jamie Lannister did as the "Kingslayer." It's also possible that Bran would encourage a Stark/Targaryen marriage ruling all of the north and south. Bran isn't normal, he doesn't have desires. Power isn't something he yearns for, it's something he accepted to bring and maintain peace. A union between Sansa and Jon would have the same effect, uniting the North with those that still supported Targaryen rule.
They are not siblings but they are first cousins, so it would still be an incest for them. That is the reason for which he did't marry Danerys as well. Furthermore they grew up together as brother and sister so it would still be weird for them. I don't think she had any romantic feelings for him, nor did he. They loved and respected each other because they were family- the last of the Starks- and she admired him for keeping true to their father's values.
I was very confused by the title of this video but then I read the comments and I realized I must be on the wrong side of UA-cam. You mfs watched too much game of thrones. These are siblings man🤢 It doesn’t matter if the genetic testing doesn’t confirm it, they grew up as siblings as see each other as such. You guys are weird.
Jon and Sansa have amazing chemistry. Jon and Dany not so much. I think GRRM has been dropping hints that Jon ends up with Sansa from the beginning. Targaryens marry their sisters and Starks marry their cousins and Sansa is both to Jon. Great video.
I don’t feel the chemistry, but Sansa would definitely go for Aegon Targaryen. Her ambition is as boundless as Daenerys ‘s with one exception-Sansa was born & raised to stand by her man while Dany was left to do it all herself. I thought I was the only one picking up on this vibe since I stay up until the wee hours to watch it and and discombobulated. Btw, when did wanting the Iron Throne become Dany’s sole purpose in life because it wasn’t until Viserys was gilded.
Some of y'all are getting so mad over a simple video lol just don't watch of your bothered by it so much Not to mention this show is full of incest so why is that even an issue lol
@From a Bicycle seat I ain't butt hurt bout the whole aunt and nephew crap, I'm just pointing out facts from both arguments. I could really, honestly care less about who Jon bangs.
@Wavvy baby ACTUALLY, the jonsa ship is based on a story in dunc and egg. It's GAME OF THRONES, is this honestly the most fucked up thing you've witnessed? lol.
I mean, I get why people were upset with Sansa about Dany, but I see it as she knew Jon would be a good ruler. She was upset when Jon gave up the North because she knew he would rule it well. Same with the 7 Kingdoms. She has faith in and trusts Jon to do the right thing as king. Plus, Jon being king would make the North stronger and safer as he would protect it. After everything she witnessed in KL, I can see why she would be afraid for the throne to fall into the wrong hands again.
The Andals couldn't invade because of the swamplands of the neck, but in the Targaryen conquest it was Dorne which withstood Targaryen rule through guerrilla warfare.
@@Emy-fv5ny seems you forgot that the North fought others 2 wars and proclaimed itself its independence others 2 times, one with Robb, an other with Jon. And the others Kingdoms didn't.. That is why in the end they separated again. Jon should have never crowned king in the first place ( cause he is not a Stark and if the lord knew that, they would have chosen Sansa the rightfull heir at that moment) and literally he made a mistake again bending the knee to Dany bacause after Vyserion died she had already promised to fight with him (because literally she was forced to do so, she could never have won that war alone). That is why Sansa was mad at him. And she was right. They suffered thousands of deaths. Too much blood. They lost Ned, cat, Robb, Rickon, benjen, the dire Wolves, hodor... After all they suffered, they needed only peace and be separated from the other countries (the North has a different culture and different religion and costumes). Jon should have never bend the knee. He should have fight with Dany AS EQUALS, LIKE 2 KINGS ALLIES, WHO FIGHT TOGHETHER, SHARE THE DIFFICULTIES, AND AFTER THE WAR, GO SEPARATED. that was Sansa desire for her kingdom. Instead, Jon ignored her. He gave his crown only because he was in love. That is not good ruling. That is stupidity. That is lack of respect to the thousands of soldiers of the North who died for you to helping you to retake Winterfell, your family toghether and your home. You cannot simply give your crown in a day, without consulting your family and your lords. Finally the North is free and has now the Rightfull Queen.
It’s would have been better love story than the incest aunt nephew story we were given in the show. They could rule as Ned Stark and catlynn Tully. I wanted to see Sansa when she learned the truth about Jon. Wanted a superset scene for them but it never happened.
This would be incest too you FOOL. The exact same way Jon and Daenerys is incest, this would be incest too. They’re 1st direct cousins. Are you fucking slow??dany is Jon’s aunt. It’s literally the same degree of incest you literal idiot. Not to mention Jon grew up in the same house as SANSA believing all his life she was his sister, not the lady he met as a full grown adult and started fucking before he even knew who he really was. You idiots will go at such lengths to criticize the show because you didn’t get what YOU WANTED that you don’t even care to make sense anymore. What a joke.
@@dandelionwine8871 What chemistry? :DDD You are delusional.. Looking through modern lens, they are simply incompatible.. Obviously Jon still sees Sansa as a pretentious disrespectful brat
@@queenb2450Sansa is nothing as such. When has she ever been the "anti-Cersei"?? Half a country away in her safe winterfell halls??that girl was stfu whenever Cersei used to torment her. Arya could never 🥱
Jonsa would make perfect sense if they werent related. They're really protective over each other and know what each others been through. Precisely why Tyrion and Arya mention her when convincing Jon to turn on Dany
I don't know, Queen Victoria and Albert were cousins and their dynasty survives to this day! Jon and Sansa exhibit the best traits of all the Starks and would have passed that on to their children, the way Ned did with them. I love that they respect each other, enough to argue with each other, and are fiercely protective of each other. Their reunion was beautifully written.
Cousins within nobility and royal houses got married all the time. Even commoners did. Genetically, they’re not as close so they would likely to have problems with the health of their children. It is only starts being a problem when it happens generation after generation, without adding new blood. Uncle/aunt and nephew/niece are far more closer genetically. Siblings, parent/child- the worst outcome. It would not be outrageous within the laws of this world to have these to together. But from a modern point of view it is wield, no doubt.
Not to forget Jon’s a Targaryen. There should be no issues from him and Sansa always wanted to live in the South. Shows as much is the books and tv series
If D&D had the guts to make the show last another season or so, a lot of things could've been fleshed out more. Including JON and Sansa's relationship. Too bad we didn't get what we wanted.
The whole time Jon never gave a shit about the iron throne, he only cared for defeating the night king and the fact that he didn't get to be the one that kills him still bothers me to this day
There is a lot of foreshadowing in the books and also in the series that Jon and Sana will indeed fall in love. The parallels to Ned and Cat cannot be missed. One example that is easily missed. When Dany approaches Sansa to have a talk in Season 8, Sansa is tense upset, and tells her that "men do stupid things when they're in love", and it's only when Dany tells Sansa that all she ever wanted was the iron throne, and yet she's here in the north, fighting "Jon's War" (don't get me started on that), and so "who manipulated whom" ... it's only then that Sansa smiles, and says, "I should have thanked you from the moment you arrived". Why does she smile for the first time, and give her thanks to the mad queen only then? Cause she realises in that very moment, that Jon is playing her. He's using Dany as a means to an end. He's heeding her advice on being smarter. Of course, he made his mistakes cause he underestimated just how loony Dany could get ... but in the end all he wanted to do, was get her out of the dam North as quickly as possible, and as far away from Sansa. He even kills her when Arya mentioned that Sansa will never bend. And when Tyrion reminds him of his sisters, but more specifically, Sansa, cause no one's going to be killing Arya. THERE is plenty more reveal if you just look carefully, in both the books and the series. And they, as a couple, make perfect sense in all ways, politically, emotionally, psychologically, and physically :)
I may be a total loner and a little mad myself for still believing it, but I convinced myself that this disaster of a Jon that was s8 is him manipulating and being “smarter than Robb”. Jon acknowledges how smart Sansa is and though it’s difficult for him to admit, he’s always listened to her advise after all. He’s never wanted to be King and he’s tired of fighting, there was never anyone other than him or Dany to sit on that throne and I think he was set to believe she will be good enough Queen for him to finally stop and do what he wants for a second. It all changed when he realised Sansa will never kneel and Dany will never settle for anything else than ruling all 7 kingdoms “to make the world a better place”. It was actually THE ONLY vow Jon kept, protecting Sansa. He killed the Queen, his kin to protect Sansa. He’s always been too emotional whenever Sansa was mentioned. Too honourable and good for him to be fooled by a woman like Daenerys when she’s everything but good and honourable. She might have been an okay Queen somewhere far away in Kings Landing but not a woman he truly loves. I entertain the thought that D&D expected a riot for killing off Daenerys and making her a villain (she’s been a villain for some seasons now, but whatever) and knew Jonsa is not *that* popular…. But the ending? Although horrible to some extent, I believe it leaves so much space for Jon and Sansa there. An ambiguous ending of sorts. Sansa is Queen in the North, she rules over the territory that is the Wall, his brother is King and Unsullied are going somewhere else. She can easily summon Jon home, to Winterfell. She longs for him to be there. That was the whole point of revealing him to be a Targaryen, she wanted him North, beside her. Where he belongs. Frankly, this belief is the only thing keeping me together when I think of got *sigh*
Honestly, that the ending made it possible for Jon to one day return home, for Sansa to pardon him and ensures he can return to where he belongs, that the Starks can heal together, that the pack can be a pack again and not blown to al four corner of the world, that Jon and Sansa can move forward together … is what allowed me to accept that ending as well. The deal is, from whichever angle you look at it, Jon and Sansa make all the sense in the world. I could write a thesis on why, and on all the foreshadowing. Yes, a lot of what D&D did in the last season was mere fan service, in the hopes of smoothing things over. They couldn’t openly display a happy ending for Jon and Sansa or one in which they’re together, after killing off Dany, and infuriating her legion of stans. But that last hiug at the pier, and the way Jon looks at Sansa before he leaves, is everything. Speaks volumes.
@@kdr3619 I agree 100%. There are so many parallels, foreshadowing etc. and their relationship is so-well-written and well developed. It makes all the sense in the world and Kit and Sophie are amazing together. There is so much chemistry between them. I was a Jonsa stan even before their reunion. Being able to see them on screen like that was --aah wonderful! I'll forever be astonished at the number of Dany fans and how ... intense they are about her. But I love subtlety and actual good story. And Jon and Sansa's love is something that keeps my insides warm, simply for how pure and loyal they were to each other. Also... there was only one scene where Jon said he actually loved Daenerys. And it is just after Varys's execution and seconds before Dany threatened (guess who!) Sansa. Whenever we hear about Jon's undying love for Targaryen Queen is other people's talking. And Jon never confirmed it. Not to Sansa when she asked him after they fought, not to Tyrion who tried to persuade Jon to kill Dany. All the rest is his constantly repeated "You're my Queen" as if to placate her, to pacify her because he knows it is exactly what she wants to hear. Besides, Jon damn knows how to fake love. His love for Ygritte became true only some time afterwards, and well. She actually was *good* well, that's been another rant. sorry not sorry
@@Elizabeth-XO This is so weird . That’s still his sister somewhat . He may be biologically her cousin but that’s still mad weird . They were raised together and grew up believing they were siblings .
Anyone who hates on this pairing and loved the Dany and Jon one, is blind to some good ass storytelling and literature, or just prefer "the pretty couple" of the story. Meh.
The Jonsa pairing is literally the thing people came up with because they liked how two actors looked together, and you preaching about “the pretty couple”..?
If Jon got disgusted when he found out she was The aunt he never knew do you honestly think he would have The hots for the person he grew up with as siblings, he would be 10 times more disgusted by just the mere thought of it, its what you all shippers dont understand.
I don't think it was jealousy.. I think it was that everything she had been through and finally got control of her home and she did not want to see it fall again. She wanted to be free.
This is exactly it, she's finally getting control of her situation after all she's been through, only to suddenly feel like she's under the thumb of someone again. It's not a completely rational feeling as if things had gone to plan she would have had a great deal of autonomy as a member of high nobility ruling over a major part of the kingdom just beneath the Queen/royal family that rules over the realm as a whole.
No. She was jealous of Daenerys also .... notice the scene she said Jon came back with a Targaryen Queen...and she's more prettier. That sounded like she was jealous that Jon could be having an affair with Daenerys.
Dany, Dany, my dear, it's not "Jon's war", it's yours too. If you don't accept it, it means you want to buy Jon and Sansa with your good queen persona. And Sansa doesn't buy this bs, it seems 💓
Sansa doesn't buy this bus!!! Who is sansa Dany is the most powerful person in westeros. If dany wanted to take the north,with her full force,north would also kneel like theri ancestor torrhen did. What can the northern fuckers can do against dragons anyway. You are talking as though danys life depends on sansas 10k northern soldiers while dany has 100k
@@aswing2706 Dany ain't that powerful. Her allies were all murdered by her enemies or her own hand, and what alliances she could have made, she alienated with her arrogance and self- righteousness. You can't win the game with dragons or armies alone. Winning the game- being truly powerful- means you have to PLAY the game. And Dany lost that game.
@@BrightNeonBrilliancy No. If Dany wanted she could have subdued the whole westeros within days at the beginning of season 7 with 3 dragons and dothraki. The only reason she lost is because she decided to play the so called game and partly terrible writing.
She just got her brother and sister back. Of course she is jealous. She and Jon took back the north together. She had the rightful claim to Winterfell, not Jon. And she was left in charge and she's good at it. This is the first time she's been in control of her life and her surroundings and Jon went and gave it up. Now he can tell everybody he did it to save the north. But we know Dany had already said she'd help him before he bent the knee. He bent the knee because he wanted to. He did it because they were holding hands and making goo-goo eyes at each other and they shared a moment. So Sansa had every right to be pissed off. And Dany acts like the great war was solely the North's problem. And it wasnt. If the north lost, Dany would be had to fight the dead at some point. She only agreed to come because she lost a dragon.
Bratty as she is and even when i hated her in the beginning, I will always favor Sansa over Dani whose strength only depended on her dragons. Without the dragons, Daenerys wouldn't be able to lead the Dothrakis across the sea nor would she be able to gather an enormous army. Sansa has no dragons, and her direwolf died early on in the series. She is a Stark alright but her family was nearly wiped out and driven out of Winterfell. Their army was also somewhat demolished with the death of Sir Rodrik. Sansa's vulnerability and dependence on others at the start and the cunning she acquired towards the end, turned out to be the reasons why she survived. So yes, Team Sansa here. 😊 Not hating on Daenerys though as her character is very much integral to the story, after all, she was the Mother of Dragons
6:45 I wish she had just said then that “our house has trusted many before and been let down many times, my whole family is dead for trusting other people. We don’t deserve to have to serve someone else”
I love how people are claiming he would never feel anything for Sansa because “he was raised with the Stark and Stark don’t do incest” 😂 marriage between cousins is not considered incest in Westeros and the Starks have various marriages between cousins in their family. Also GRR Martin wanted to have Jon and Arya to fall in love with each other so Sansa and Jon isn’t that crazy considering they weren’t even that close and were apart for many years
Cousins and real brother and sister are a different thing. People don't even distribute property to cousins after a father dies. A cousin can never equal to a real brother or sister
Well in the stark morality ofcourse the incest between brother and sister is bad. So Jon and Sansa who grew up as brother and sister is never really going to feel that way. Especially for Jon since both don't know at that point they are actually only cousins.
Who knew Jon and Sansa would be closer than Jon and Arya? I think Arya liked what Jon did for her when she wanted to be sporty, but Sansa saw the pain in people, even when she was very naive, and that's what links them.
Jon and Sansa had SUCH possibilities which weren't explored...hell...Lyanna and Jon had more chemistry than Jon and Dany...what were the producers thinking???
Actually Jon and Dany has been the endgame of the story ever since the books were written. I mean its called “A Song of Ice and Fire” Of course the books would have portrayed them much differently.
@@apex_1515 No. Jon is the embodiment of ice and fire. He's the son of a Stark and a Targaryen. But, I do agree that they may very well end up together, whether they stay that way is the biggest question.
Sansa showed complete maturity when she said “ winter fell is yours…your grace… she was very smug like look here miss queen you are on my turf so don’t get it twisted. I own Winterfell and the North remembers so don’t play 😂😂😂
Because of the coming Dragon series, I've been watching some of these vids again. I never understood how people didn't see this as obvious. esp for the Sansa character. Sansa was the catalyst for Jon's decisions during the last episodes - him being torn between choice of family and esp his inner need to protect her. She is in the frames with him more than Dany or even Arya in the last seasons. Arya seemed to be aware. The show crash landed on these directions of course.. I think this was suppose to be a twist like Tyrion being in love with Dany?! "he was?" Books are loaded with hints, especially the newer Sansa chpt (for the forever unreleased book).
In interview, the producers said the writers want to made jonsa real, and made that one of the reasons of Daenerys madness Now that i rewatch those scenes, that obivious, and it should have been like that😢
I never did get the 'Jon's war' thing, or Dany making it out like coming to the north was such a huge sacrifice on her part. This isn't the north's war, this is a war between the living and the dead. It would come to Dany eventually, one way or another.
@From a Bicycle seat Listen up you spamming idiot, Sansa is not Jon's sister, she is his cousin. And for your information, marriage between cousins is more acceptable in Westeros (and real world) than auntie/nephew marriage. Ned Stark's parents were cousins.
“She’ll make a good queen” isn’t a great reason to surrender the North’s independence from the Seven Kingdoms. Even if she didn’t go berserk decimating the capital and instead ruled as a great queen, the fact is she’d be the ruler. A position of power that would have the power and ability to subjugate the North, whether it was Danny or a future King or Queen. Jon’s mistake was not realizing that the whole reason why Robb and then Sansa fought to secure Northern independence was to ensure that no foreign monarch could ever again do what the Mad King and then Joffrey did to the Starks, and by extension, the North.
@@alisiakalka4480 was someone like littlefinger ever interested in you? A guy like 4 times your age who is known for being a backstabbing weasel? I'm pretty sure jon wouldn't have reacted like that if let's say podrick was interested in sansa
Not shipper and they were not canon in show but there was subtle romantic shit going on between Jon and sansa. I need explainations! (anyone calling me deluded or mad will be insulting my intelligence)
In the light of the House of Dragon and what Viserys said about the true purpose of the Targaryen on the Iron Throne, and uniting the Seven Kingdoms, it's obvious that Dany was not fit to be the queen. Jon, naive as he might be, intuitively KNEW what was a right thing to do, he wasnt corrupted by the power. at least yet. And yet he was the one who was punished for his loyalty to people and life, for people were not ready for self-governance and wanted this "blood" and "birthright" and "queens and kings" story to lull them.
It reminds me of my daughters ages 16 & 14. The 16 year old is barely five feet tall and my 14 year old is 5'10 barefoot. It's funny as hell to see her looking up at her younger sister when they're talking.
There is nothing romantic going on between them imo. They love each other dearly in a brother sister way and are also very protective of each other. A part of Sansa may also be a bit jealous of Daenerys but clearly not in a romantic sense. After all the abuse and trauma she went through Sansa is probably deep down a bit afraid of being abandoned. The reason for this "ship" is imo that the actor Kit Harington has good chemistry on screen with Sophie Turner. He seems to be into redheads ;).
Fun fact: A relationship between Jon and Sansa (who are cousins) would be much more legal and moral than a relationship with Daenerys (who is his aunt)
i may get a lot of hate for this but imma say it: Jon and Sansa had more chemistry than Jon and Dany.. I actually wanted Jon and Sansa to end up together.. I know they were raised as siblings, but have you all forgot the Targaryen brothers and sisters married to each other? That's worse.
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*Any man mentioning or approaching Sansa*
Jon: Ned mode activated
lol
0:13 is where jon activates Ned Mode
@@GabealtAccount2006 Liar
Well she was raped unfortunately. So it makes sense why he would be murderously protective of her.
Big brother mode activated
Jon is everything Ned Stark wanted for Sansa. Brave, Gentle and Strong.
And he's also what Sansa ever wanted a brave, talented, handsome king who rides into battle
Also her cousin
He's not a Strong, he's Targaryen
@@SuomiXOX LMAO, I can’t stop thinking about that every time I hear the word “strong”
@@samanthamatz5300the Stark seed is strong.
I love how Sansa said "winterfell is yours, your Grace" in the most disdainful, girly way possible. Only a woman can slap another woman with just a look and supposed courtesy. 😁
That's actually quite stupid of her.
It's like she didn't learned anything from her journey.
She fainted loyalty to Joffrey and cersei.
But here she can't keep her mouth shut to someone that she distrusts.
D&D fuckin failed hard on this one. They thing taunting someone is what makes you badass. Which is just pathetic.
Daenerys has a crap ton of power. You don't just mock a person like that in the face unless you have a death wish or something.
@Deep space 9 Glorious what? Seeing another woman go down? Honey, your envious is gonna kill you someday.
@Deep space 9 Because she gave everything to people who never thanked her and end up stabbing her in the back. Can you develop at least a little? Stop hating a non-existent character for no reason. Daenerys still remains the face of the show. The last three episodes do not change that. She didn't bring dragons back to life, restore her house name being the only survivor and end the culture of slavery and rape in Essos, all being underage, for you to come and say this bullshit. But yeah my friend, make the North great again I guess.
@Deep space 9 Lol, the Targaryens ruled 150 years without dragons, so your argument it's pointless for me. The Starks didn't win, because the war was between Daenerys and Cercei. In any case, the one who won was a white man with superpowers who did absolutely nothing to win the throne and is there only by his surname, while the one who deserved it most was sent into exile and was part of his own family. The rest about Daenerys is bad writing, but respectfully, you are a Stark stan so I don't expect you to understand it.
Deep space 9 oh please. Sansa is Cersei 2.0
There was more chemistry between Jon and Sansa than between Jon and Daenerys.
isaias santiago agreed better than the aunt, nephew incest story. I wanted their love story. They should have rule as Ned Stark and catlynn Tully.
@@humayunkabir5837 It's because Sophie Turner became a good actress as she got older & plays bitchy & angry well. Emilia C is stiff & speaks in a monotone in a lot of GoT. She didn't have chemistry with anyone after the 1st season cuz she thinks playing powerful means using a flat tone & barely changing her expression.
Even in books
the actor has a thing for redheads lol
this is true
The way Lyanna Mormont looks at Daenerys 😂😂😂
Jorelle Taylor 😂 spot on
and the next scene follows with sansa doing the same thing lmao
Drogon's fire doesn't burn as hot as Lyanna Mormont's glares!
Lyanna Mormont looks at everyone that way.
It was like Greta looking at Trump 😂
Tyrion: she's a lot smarter than she lets on
Jon: she's starting to let on lmfao that part always makes me laugh
I love that line as well but I really didn’t see her intelligent, she made mistakes on top of mistakes. I will give her credit for surviving in kings landing but she never acted like she had any wits about her.
@@nayakiabates8814she survived Kingslanding because she was a leaverage later claim to the North but it's not the case in the books
@nayakiabates8814
Agreed, Sansa was an idiot. Even when she finally learned a lesson she used it in the worst situations against the wrong people
@@mistermonologue2442that line was partial foreshadowing. Jon walked into that meeting intending to be coy, but the more he let on, the more Dany (and her advisors) fell for him.
Sansa is the most powerful female character cuz she wasn’t supposed to survive but she did and she grew into a WOMAN, and did it all without lifting a “little” finger.
@@Secondaccount31 in the books she is the best! (Plus there is no rape nor marriage to Ramsey and remains a virgin) she is incredibly witty and has surpassed LF in being cunning and careful. She is one of the smartest characters in GOT read the fucking books
@@Secondaccount31 ....it was a pun
And later it got to her head and she went straight back to being arrogant brat..
These Dany stans are so damn salty. 😂 I'm so glad Daenerys is dead. I only hoped her death would be more painfull. But well 🤷♂️
@@dandelionwine8871 coming out of a Sansa stan.. Pretentious and ungrateful Sansa, whose ass is warm and safe just because of Danny and Jon.. But sure, whatewz...
Mini ned,Mini cat!🤣🤣
Um no, not only cousins, but FIRST cousins.....
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@@lizonyuh2290 pretty sure they marry first cousins in westeros tho, gross as that is
Liz Onyuh22 still better than your aunt 😂
@@27Melodrama true
that little chuckle she did before 'thanking her', she got from margaery and then when she switched to brutally honest, without blinking an eye (a part that was cut out), she got that from cersei
I just don't understand how they could put these two in all these scenes that show them having SOOOO much chemistry, yet still try and push Dany at Jon for so many episodes when they had ZERO chemistry. Even if we all ignored that, Jon would never actually fall in love with someone as batshit power hungry as Dany.
Jon didn't fall for Dany. It would've been easy if Dany was like another Ygritte, but she wasn't. Sansa was.
kissedbyfire a redhead 😉
Sansa and Arya have chemistry too. Does it mean they should have gotten married?
@@TheFFilipp they have but not the awkward sexual tension type
Jon is attracted to strong women so he would have been attracted to Daenerys.
It's not Jon's war. It was a war for humanity. If she was a good leader, she would've fought without any strings attached.
Exactly- it drives me nuts that people (including Dany herself, but her fans even more so) try to spin it as though she did the North this huuuuge favor and gave soooo much out of the goodness of her heart, as if she didn't have every bit as much stake in defeating the army of the dead as anyone else!
Dany's fans tend to talk like the Northerners should have fallen at her feat in thanks and adoration for fighting with them, and I'm like... yes, it was great that she fought and I know she lost a great deal in it, but good grief, they didn't OWE it to her to give up their independence just because she did what any reasonable person would do and helped fight to ensure that the whole world wouldn't become an army of the dead. And especially when they already had someone they knew and trusted, who had been fighting that same fight for YEARS and literally gave his life for it with zero expectations of anything in return... of course they were going to still gravitate to Jon! If Dany had been open to allowing them their independence, thereby proving to them that she had fought because it was what was right and not to get anything additional out of it, then maybe they *would* have started trusting her. But she didn't.
@@stephaniel2850 Stop the bullshit. It doesn't matter if was everybody's duty to defeat the dead. At the end of the day, no Dany no win. You don't think a ounce of gratitude was warranted? All they did was talk behind that girl's back instead of confronting her face to face (including her remaining advisors).
Yes, they did owe her. Just like D&D, you forgot that Jon bent his knee to her. She didn't put a gun to his head to do it, so yes, they are beholden to her. Their king literally got on one knee to support HER cause. What did they do to her in return? Commit treason and spread rumors to destroy her RIGHT after she saved their lives. What is that called? TREASON, that's the word. If Dany wanted to behead Sansa and Jon because of their unlawful treason, she would be in the right to do so. The same way Saint Jon beheaded Jonos Slynt, am I right? Ohhhh, but since Jon is not the son of some mad man, it's okay for him to execute somebody. Keep the same energy with Daenerys and how she decides to deal with her traitors.
Y'all are so bias when it comes to daenerys. Everything she does have some hidden evil agenda to it LOL. Two faced backwards mfs
@@stephaniel2850 one more thing, Daenerys doesn't have to grant them shit. They're not more special than the rest of the kingdoms. Jahaerys (butchered his name), the best king ever didn't allow independence, he actually abolished it. He brought independant kingdoms to together because when too many realms are segregated, there creates excess tension between the entire ring. If one kingdom is granted independence, the rest will ask and lead to more problems.
OHHHHH but you Dany haters forgot JUST LIKE D&D that she was open to hearing the Iron Islands asking for their independence (season 7?)
@@laphonz The North owed Dany nothing. It was her responsibility: for starters she was fighting for her and her peoples survival, Jon bent the knee, the north was then part of her territory. Moreover, it was her dragon the knight king used to go over the wall. Arya killed the knight king, Dany along with dragons and army were useless. The North would have been fine without Dany, she was not the 'alfa and omega' ya think her to be (the battle and her tragic end proved that). Janos Slynt was a nightswatch same as Jon, very much within his Jurisdiction so Jon's act was justifiable. Dany on the other hand, went around burning people who were not within her jurisdiction.
@@laphonz So what if they couldn't win without Dany? It was Dany's fight as much as the North's. She was fighting for her survival and benefit as much as anyone else's. Also Jon bending the knee was a unilateral decision made by Jon and him alone. Why would the North be as compliant as Jon was, when they had no say in the decision to bend the knee to her?
Baelish: I loved sansa, as I loved her mother
Jon: your breathing permission has been revoked
When they hugged, with Daenerys looking on... Man! Sansa's look was like, see, he will always come to me.
Weird
omg the subtitles, "mini ned" and "mini cat" ahsakskshd that got me
Jon killed the mad woman once Tyrion told him that she will come for Sansa . Jon would do anything for her he trusted and admired her so much! And their chemistry??? Chef kiss!
I wish I had a brother like Jon 😢
Riiiight? He finally set his mind to kill Dany when Tyrion mentioned what would Dany do if Sansa still doesn't acknowledge her.
@@caaarming Yup that was his breaking point and Tyrion knew it damn well.
Jon don’t care about Sansa like that he loves Arya.
I support this ship, specially now that they both know they are cousins and not brother and sister. Wich was a normal kind of relation for starks and other houses, buuuut I highly doubt that will happen anyway.
They were also very distant as children. Sansa sided with her mother. So there was really no sibling love between them growing up at all. So different from Arya and Jon. Which makes you wonder.
Dude they grew up thinking they were brother and sister. Don’t be goddamn gross.
Or you know, they could’ve just ruled the North as brother and sister, King and Regent. No romantic relationship involved. They’re pretty much Ned and Cat in their prime.
Uhhhhhh whattttt
@@vicenzostella1390 Agreed
I always thought this ship was weird, but suddenly it makes a lot of sense, I forgot a lot of these scenes
@From a Bicycle seat Jon and Dragon mother fell in love too quickly, it's a very boring plot. But Jon and sansa built their trust, love and care for each other gradually since they reunited, which makes a lot of sense if they really fall in love, and as a more interesting plot.
@@florencechang2354 I wonder how the books will go if they’ll even bring him back
@@yolandapaulino5952 In the books there's Val, who's a much better match for him than both Sansa or Dany.
@@florencechang2354 more like Dragon aunt.
@@johnsmith361not necessarily.
since its fact now that John was a targarayan and Sansa is a stark, their marriage would have been the strongest union in the 7 kingdoms till date. and not only that John is a copy of ned stark and Sansa is a copy of catelyn stark would actually make them a deadly alliance together. add the fact that the emotional and sexual chemistry between them was fairly evident, they'd actually be a faithful couple to each other.
ohh and the little fact that Sansa saw John beating Ramsey into a pulp showed that he probably was the only man in her life that would actually do what he says and protect her. that melts a woman any which way.
You know how it is man. Lack of vision from the writers. 😄
I agree, for this reason alone they'd have made the strongest alliance. Their marriage would have tied together the entire realm, as the Starks are kings/queens of the north, and the Targaryen's are kings/queens of the south. Not all is lost, though. Even in the show Jon lives at the Night's Watch on the wall, not far from Winterfell. He could easily receive a pardon in time, much as Jamie Lannister did as the "Kingslayer." It's also possible that Bran would encourage a Stark/Targaryen marriage ruling all of the north and south. Bran isn't normal, he doesn't have desires. Power isn't something he yearns for, it's something he accepted to bring and maintain peace. A union between Sansa and Jon would have the same effect, uniting the North with those that still supported Targaryen rule.
They are not siblings but they are first cousins, so it would still be an incest for them. That is the reason for which he did't marry Danerys as well. Furthermore they grew up together as brother and sister so it would still be weird for them. I don't think she had any romantic feelings for him, nor did he. They loved and respected each other because they were family- the last of the Starks- and she admired him for keeping true to their father's values.
I was very confused by the title of this video but then I read the comments and I realized I must be on the wrong side of UA-cam. You mfs watched too much game of thrones. These are siblings man🤢
It doesn’t matter if the genetic testing doesn’t confirm it, they grew up as siblings as see each other as such. You guys are weird.
@@eugeniakouts6972these people watched too much hotd their heads are in the gutter.
Jon and Sansa have amazing chemistry. Jon and Dany not so much. I think GRRM has been dropping hints that Jon ends up with Sansa from the beginning. Targaryens marry their sisters and Starks marry their cousins and Sansa is both to Jon. Great video.
Most stupidest thing I have ever read 😂😂
Masa Masa deadass, she smokes meth
I've lost all hope after the last episode - d&d just fucked it all up..
The only way to make it happen is by forced marriage to unite the realm
I don’t feel the chemistry, but Sansa would definitely go for Aegon Targaryen. Her ambition is as boundless as Daenerys ‘s with one exception-Sansa was born & raised to stand by her man while Dany was left to do it all herself. I thought I was the only one picking up on this vibe since I stay up until the wee hours to watch it and and discombobulated. Btw, when did wanting the Iron Throne become Dany’s sole purpose in life because it wasn’t until Viserys was gilded.
@@PHIA_JANE Are you stupid? Ned and cat were not related!
Some of y'all are getting so mad over a simple video lol just don't watch of your bothered by it so much
Not to mention this show is full of incest so why is that even an issue lol
Cause that's far from what would be logical, depending on story lines. Jon often implies to Sansa as pretentious.
Plus Lyarra Stark and Rickard Stark (Brandon, Ned, Lyanna and Benjen's parents) were also cousins.
How does one know what's in the video without watching it?
@From a Bicycle seat I ain't butt hurt bout the whole aunt and nephew crap, I'm just pointing out facts from both arguments. I could really, honestly care less about who Jon bangs.
@Wavvy baby ACTUALLY, the jonsa ship is based on a story in dunc and egg. It's GAME OF THRONES, is this honestly the most fucked up thing you've witnessed? lol.
I mean, I get why people were upset with Sansa about Dany, but I see it as she knew Jon would be a good ruler. She was upset when Jon gave up the North because she knew he would rule it well. Same with the 7 Kingdoms. She has faith in and trusts Jon to do the right thing as king. Plus, Jon being king would make the North stronger and safer as he would protect it. After everything she witnessed in KL, I can see why she would be afraid for the throne to fall into the wrong hands again.
I always thought Sansa was, by far, the most beautiful women on Game of Thrones.
I always thought that title belonged to margaery, but as Sansa got older.. esp s8 Sansa... She was the prettiest to me.
@@awoniyiismail7747 Sansa all the way!
I find Mélisande the most beautiful, but Sansa is beautiful too
In the books too, she is mentioned as the most beautiful of the 7 kingdoms.
She is the worst! 😅
My jonsaaa😭💔
The North was independent before the Targaryerns took over Westors.
ALL the kingdoms were independent before the Targaryen's conquest. That is why they were called THE SEVEN KINGDOMS.
@@Emy-fv5ny The north was the HARDEST kingdom to take over because of wargs and the 3 eyed ravens.
@@gingerlemon865 Nop, that was Dorne. Read Fire & Blood.
The Andals couldn't invade because of the swamplands of the neck, but in the Targaryen conquest it was Dorne which withstood Targaryen rule through guerrilla warfare.
@@Emy-fv5ny seems you forgot that the North fought others 2 wars and proclaimed itself its independence others 2 times, one with Robb, an other with Jon. And the others Kingdoms didn't.. That is why in the end they separated again. Jon should have never crowned king in the first place ( cause he is not a Stark and if the lord knew that, they would have chosen Sansa the rightfull heir at that moment) and literally he made a mistake again bending the knee to Dany bacause after Vyserion died she had already promised to fight with him (because literally she was forced to do so, she could never have won that war alone). That is why Sansa was mad at him. And she was right. They suffered thousands of deaths. Too much blood. They lost Ned, cat, Robb, Rickon, benjen, the dire Wolves, hodor... After all they suffered, they needed only peace and be separated from the other countries (the North has a different culture and different religion and costumes). Jon should have never bend the knee. He should have fight with Dany AS EQUALS, LIKE 2 KINGS ALLIES, WHO FIGHT TOGHETHER, SHARE THE DIFFICULTIES, AND AFTER THE WAR, GO SEPARATED. that was Sansa desire for her kingdom. Instead, Jon ignored her. He gave his crown only because he was in love. That is not good ruling. That is stupidity. That is lack of respect to the thousands of soldiers of the North who died for you to helping you to retake Winterfell, your family toghether and your home. You cannot simply give your crown in a day, without consulting your family and your lords. Finally the North is free and has now the Rightfull Queen.
It’s would have been better love story than the incest aunt nephew story we were given in the show. They could rule as Ned Stark and catlynn Tully. I wanted to see Sansa when she learned the truth about Jon. Wanted a superset scene for them but it never happened.
This would be incest too you FOOL. The exact same way Jon and Daenerys is incest, this would be incest too. They’re 1st direct cousins. Are you fucking slow??dany is Jon’s aunt. It’s literally the same degree of incest you literal idiot. Not to mention Jon grew up in the same house as SANSA believing all his life she was his sister, not the lady he met as a full grown adult and started fucking before he even knew who he really was. You idiots will go at such lengths to criticize the show because you didn’t get what YOU WANTED that you don’t even care to make sense anymore. What a joke.
Their chemistry! ❤
Those who do not see their chemistry are so damn blind or stupid. 🤷♂️
@@dandelionwine8871 What chemistry? :DDD You are delusional.. Looking through modern lens, they are simply incompatible.. Obviously Jon still sees Sansa as a pretentious disrespectful brat
@@deimantev8641 lol, sure Jan.
@@dandelionwine8871 as I said, delusional... :D
@@deimantev8641 posjeti psihića jer ti je očigledno potreban. ❤️ :*
I wish Sansa's part had been expanded. They couldve done so much with it.
like we didn't even get Cersei and Sansa butt heads - not even ONCE? Sansa is the anti-Cersei
@@queenb2450Sansa is nothing as such. When has she ever been the "anti-Cersei"?? Half a country away in her safe winterfell halls??that girl was stfu whenever Cersei used to torment her. Arya could never 🥱
They had more chemistry than Daenerys and Jon that’s for sure
Yeah okay. You weirdos are so weird 😭
Jonsa would make perfect sense if they werent related. They're really protective over each other and know what each others been through. Precisely why Tyrion and Arya mention her when convincing Jon to turn on Dany
I don't know, Queen Victoria and Albert were cousins and their dynasty survives to this day! Jon and Sansa exhibit the best traits of all the Starks and would have passed that on to their children, the way Ned did with them. I love that they respect each other, enough to argue with each other, and are fiercely protective of each other. Their reunion was beautifully written.
Jonsa 😂😂😂😄😄😄😄 maybe Sanon, Son, Sanow yeah Jonsa is better
Cousins within nobility and royal houses got married all the time. Even commoners did. Genetically, they’re not as close so they would likely to have problems with the health of their children. It is only starts being a problem when it happens generation after generation, without adding new blood. Uncle/aunt and nephew/niece are far more closer genetically. Siblings, parent/child- the worst outcome. It would not be outrageous within the laws of this world to have these to together. But from a modern point of view it is wield, no doubt.
Not to forget Jon’s a Targaryen. There should be no issues from him and Sansa always wanted to live in the South. Shows as much is the books and tv series
I mean y does incest suddenly matter now in the GOT series ☠️ + isn’t Dany his aunt ? Imo that’s worse. Banging ur nephew.
If D&D had the guts to make the show last another season or so, a lot of things could've been fleshed out more. Including JON and Sansa's relationship. Too bad we didn't get what we wanted.
Another season of cock jokes and bad writing? Pass.
D&D were two idiots that wanted to move on to star wars
@@SupportGamin2024 Then got clapped for ruining GoT. Now they're nothing 😂
You cunts are delusional. Do you love Sansa so much that you’ve deluded yourself into thinking Jon does too?🤣
2:34 The way he hugs his brother and the looks at Danerys like "Oh you bitch" 😂
I love that. ❤❤
The whole time Jon never gave a shit about the iron throne, he only cared for defeating the night king and the fact that he didn't get to be the one that kills him still bothers me to this day
There is a lot of foreshadowing in the books and also in the series that Jon and Sana will indeed fall in love. The parallels to Ned and Cat cannot be missed.
One example that is easily missed. When Dany approaches Sansa to have a talk in Season 8, Sansa is tense upset, and tells her that "men do stupid things when they're in love", and it's only when Dany tells Sansa that all she ever wanted was the iron throne, and yet she's here in the north, fighting "Jon's War" (don't get me started on that), and so "who manipulated whom" ... it's only then that Sansa smiles, and says, "I should have thanked you from the moment you arrived".
Why does she smile for the first time, and give her thanks to the mad queen only then?
Cause she realises in that very moment, that Jon is playing her. He's using Dany as a means to an end. He's heeding her advice on being smarter.
Of course, he made his mistakes cause he underestimated just how loony Dany could get ... but in the end all he wanted to do, was get her out of the dam North as quickly as possible, and as far away from Sansa. He even kills her when Arya mentioned that Sansa will never bend.
And when Tyrion reminds him of his sisters, but more specifically, Sansa, cause no one's going to be killing Arya.
THERE is plenty more reveal if you just look carefully, in both the books and the series.
And they, as a couple, make perfect sense in all ways, politically, emotionally, psychologically, and physically :)
I may be a total loner and a little mad myself for still believing it, but I convinced myself that this disaster of a Jon that was s8 is him manipulating and being “smarter than Robb”. Jon acknowledges how smart Sansa is and though it’s difficult for him to admit, he’s always listened to her advise after all. He’s never wanted to be King and he’s tired of fighting, there was never anyone other than him or Dany to sit on that throne and I think he was set to believe she will be good enough Queen for him to finally stop and do what he wants for a second. It all changed when he realised Sansa will never kneel and Dany will never settle for anything else than ruling all 7 kingdoms “to make the world a better place”. It was actually THE ONLY vow Jon kept, protecting Sansa. He killed the Queen, his kin to protect Sansa.
He’s always been too emotional whenever Sansa was mentioned. Too honourable and good for him to be fooled by a woman like Daenerys when she’s everything but good and honourable. She might have been an okay Queen somewhere far away in Kings Landing but not a woman he truly loves.
I entertain the thought that D&D expected a riot for killing off Daenerys and making her a villain (she’s been a villain for some seasons now, but whatever) and knew Jonsa is not *that* popular…. But the ending? Although horrible to some extent, I believe it leaves so much space for Jon and Sansa there. An ambiguous ending of sorts. Sansa is Queen in the North, she rules over the territory that is the Wall, his brother is King and Unsullied are going somewhere else. She can easily summon Jon home, to Winterfell. She longs for him to be there. That was the whole point of revealing him to be a Targaryen, she wanted him North, beside her. Where he belongs.
Frankly, this belief is the only thing keeping me together when I think of got *sigh*
Honestly, that the ending made it possible for Jon to one day return home, for Sansa to pardon him and ensures he can return to where he belongs, that the Starks can heal together, that the pack can be a pack again and not blown to al four corner of the world, that Jon and Sansa can move forward together … is what allowed me to accept that ending as well.
The deal is, from whichever angle you look at it, Jon and Sansa make all the sense in the world.
I could write a thesis on why, and on all the foreshadowing.
Yes, a lot of what D&D did in the last season was mere fan service, in the hopes of smoothing things over.
They couldn’t openly display a happy ending for Jon and Sansa or one in which they’re together, after killing off Dany, and infuriating her legion of stans.
But that last hiug at the pier, and the way Jon looks at Sansa before he leaves, is everything.
Speaks volumes.
@@kdr3619 I agree 100%. There are so many parallels, foreshadowing etc. and their relationship is so-well-written and well developed. It makes all the sense in the world and Kit and Sophie are amazing together. There is so much chemistry between them. I was a Jonsa stan even before their reunion. Being able to see them on screen like that was --aah wonderful!
I'll forever be astonished at the number of Dany fans and how ... intense they are about her. But I love subtlety and actual good story. And Jon and Sansa's love is something that keeps my insides warm, simply for how pure and loyal they were to each other.
Also... there was only one scene where Jon said he actually loved Daenerys. And it is just after Varys's execution and seconds before Dany threatened (guess who!) Sansa. Whenever we hear about Jon's undying love for Targaryen Queen is other people's talking. And Jon never confirmed it. Not to Sansa when she asked him after they fought, not to Tyrion who tried to persuade Jon to kill Dany.
All the rest is his constantly repeated "You're my Queen" as if to placate her, to pacify her because he knows it is exactly what she wants to hear.
Besides, Jon damn knows how to fake love. His love for Ygritte became true only some time afterwards, and well. She actually was *good*
well, that's been another rant. sorry not sorry
I wonder if Sophie will be apart of the spin-off and we’ll see that play out. I was one who thought it would go that way myself as the ending for GOT.
@@Elizabeth-XO This is so weird . That’s still his sister somewhat . He may be biologically her cousin but that’s still mad weird . They were raised together and grew up believing they were siblings .
The scene with LF and Jon mirrors the one with LF and Ned so much it gives me life.
That's why it says Ned mode activated
I don't think their relationship was romantic, I mean they were raised as siblings but it was definitely the best relationship in GOT.
The scene with Theon on the beach was missing. Jon & Sansa had such good chemistry together.
Anyone who hates on this pairing and loved the Dany and Jon one, is blind to some good ass storytelling and literature, or just prefer "the pretty couple" of the story. Meh.
The Jonsa pairing is literally the thing people came up with because they liked how two actors looked together, and you preaching about “the pretty couple”..?
You people literally like this pairing because Jon is the only "pretty boy" left for Sansa. Get the fuck out
@@Dreamfyre_ No, you don't like Jonsa, so why don't YOU get the fuck out of here ?
If Jon got disgusted when he found out she was The aunt he never knew do you honestly think he would have The hots for the person he grew up with as siblings, he would be 10 times more disgusted by just the mere thought of it, its what you all shippers dont understand.
Or they just like Dany and Jon. I didn't like them together but this comment is just dumb and ridiculous.
Also the scene where they're reunited in castle black and she hug him have more chemistry than all he had with dany
You people are weirdos.
I don't think it was jealousy.. I think it was that everything she had been through and finally got control of her home and she did not want to see it fall again. She wanted to be free.
This is exactly it, she's finally getting control of her situation after all she's been through, only to suddenly feel like she's under the thumb of someone again. It's not a completely rational feeling as if things had gone to plan she would have had a great deal of autonomy as a member of high nobility ruling over a major part of the kingdom just beneath the Queen/royal family that rules over the realm as a whole.
No. She was jealous of Daenerys also .... notice the scene she said Jon came back with a Targaryen Queen...and she's more prettier.
That sounded like she was jealous that Jon could be having an affair with Daenerys.
Hmm
@@cheyehudimaxwell126 gosh what are u on
Dany, Dany, my dear, it's not "Jon's war", it's yours too. If you don't accept it, it means you want to buy Jon and Sansa with your good queen persona. And Sansa doesn't buy this bs, it seems 💓
Sansa doesn't buy this bus!!!
Who is sansa
Dany is the most powerful person in westeros.
If dany wanted to take the north,with her full force,north would also kneel like theri ancestor torrhen did.
What can the northern fuckers can do against dragons anyway.
You are talking as though danys life depends on sansas 10k northern soldiers while dany has 100k
@@aswing2706 Yes, Dany is the most powerful person in Westeros, and dead as well 😂😂
@@aswing2706 Dany ain't that powerful. Her allies were all murdered by her enemies or her own hand, and what alliances she could have made, she alienated with her arrogance and self- righteousness. You can't win the game with dragons or armies alone. Winning the game- being truly powerful- means you have to PLAY the game. And Dany lost that game.
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No.
If Dany wanted she could have subdued the whole westeros within days at the beginning of season 7 with 3 dragons and dothraki.
The only reason she lost is because she decided to play the so called game and partly terrible writing.
@@aswing2706 having dragons means nothing. Dorne resisted well.
Dany: He never should’ve trusted Cersei.
Sansa: You never should’ve either.
That was an Olenna type burn.
She just got her brother and sister back. Of course she is jealous. She and Jon took back the north together. She had the rightful claim to Winterfell, not Jon. And she was left in charge and she's good at it. This is the first time she's been in control of her life and her surroundings and Jon went and gave it up. Now he can tell everybody he did it to save the north. But we know Dany had already said she'd help him before he bent the knee. He bent the knee because he wanted to. He did it because they were holding hands and making goo-goo eyes at each other and they shared a moment. So Sansa had every right to be pissed off. And Dany acts like the great war was solely the North's problem. And it wasnt. If the north lost, Dany would be had to fight the dead at some point. She only agreed to come because she lost a dragon.
Bratty as she is and even when i hated her in the beginning, I will always favor Sansa over Dani whose strength only depended on her dragons. Without the dragons, Daenerys wouldn't be able to lead the Dothrakis across the sea nor would she be able to gather an enormous army. Sansa has no dragons, and her direwolf died early on in the series. She is a Stark alright but her family was nearly wiped out and driven out of Winterfell. Their army was also somewhat demolished with the death of Sir Rodrik. Sansa's vulnerability and dependence on others at the start and the cunning she acquired towards the end, turned out to be the reasons why she survived. So yes, Team Sansa here. 😊 Not hating on Daenerys though as her character is very much integral to the story, after all, she was the Mother of Dragons
They would have made such a great couple, Sophie and Kit have amazing chemsitry together
In ten years time, these two will heal and be together, maybe not officially, but in my head definitely.
Yeah just in your head.
6:45 I wish she had just said then that “our house has trusted many before and been let down many times, my whole family is dead for trusting other people. We don’t deserve to have to serve someone else”
I love how people are claiming he would never feel anything for Sansa because “he was raised with the Stark and Stark don’t do incest” 😂 marriage between cousins is not considered incest in Westeros and the Starks have various marriages between cousins in their family. Also GRR Martin wanted to have Jon and Arya to fall in love with each other so Sansa and Jon isn’t that crazy considering they weren’t even that close and were apart for many years
Cousins and real brother and sister are a different thing. People don't even distribute property to cousins after a father dies.
A cousin can never equal to a real brother or sister
@@Anonymous-he3pi but Jon and Sansa were cousins, at least in the show.
Well in the stark morality ofcourse the incest between brother and sister is bad. So Jon and Sansa who grew up as brother and sister is never really going to feel that way. Especially for Jon since both don't know at that point they are actually only cousins.
jonsa has my heart
Who knew Jon and Sansa would be closer than Jon and Arya? I think Arya liked what Jon did for her when she wanted to be sporty, but Sansa saw the pain in people, even when she was very naive, and that's what links them.
As a man, i think Jon and Sansa wouldve worked a lot like King Jaehareys and Good Queen Alysanne
Mid Ned Mini Cat. Hahahaha 🤣
They remind me of Catelyn and Ned ❤️
Y'know for like a season and a half I was absolutely convinced Sansa had feelings for Jon.
Jealous? She was cautious and disliked Daenerys
And Jealousy
Never considered it in the books but seeing their chemistry i was kinda hoping that maybe
sansa the queen of eye rolls 5:12
She learnt well from Cersei
Jon and Sansa had SUCH possibilities which weren't explored...hell...Lyanna and Jon had more chemistry than Jon and Dany...what were the producers thinking???
Actually Jon and Dany has been the endgame of the story ever since the books were written.
I mean its called “A Song of Ice and Fire”
Of course the books would have portrayed them much differently.
@@apex_1515 no, Jon is fire, so it would be “a song of fire and fire” rhaegar and lyanna are the real song of ice and fire
@@apex_1515 No. Jon is the embodiment of ice and fire. He's the son of a Stark and a Targaryen.
But, I do agree that they may very well end up together, whether they stay that way is the biggest question.
@@bnc4107 how the hell is jon fire
@@javierlopez9789 because he is a fucking targaryen?
Sansa showed complete maturity when she said “ winter fell is yours…your grace… she was very smug like look here miss queen you are on my turf so don’t get it twisted. I own Winterfell and the North remembers so don’t play 😂😂😂
they look damn good together lol. I was feeling the vibes and now that I see vids up about it I feel comfortable stanning them lmao
Maaaaan, they look really good together. 🤩
@From a Bicycle seat Nothing is wrong with me, the only thing that's wrong here is your grammar. Now kindly, f*** off.
He DOES like redheads...
Because of the coming Dragon series, I've been watching some of these vids again. I never understood how people didn't see this as obvious. esp for the Sansa character. Sansa was the catalyst for Jon's decisions during the last episodes - him being torn between choice of family and esp his inner need to protect her. She is in the frames with him more than Dany or even Arya in the last seasons. Arya seemed to be aware. The show crash landed on these directions of course.. I think this was suppose to be a twist like Tyrion being in love with Dany?! "he was?" Books are loaded with hints, especially the newer Sansa chpt (for the forever unreleased book).
Yea I never even considered it.
I wanted Sansa and Jon together so bad.
They’re cousins
@@Block-ge1oq yes and this is GOT 😂
@@Block-ge1oq better than aunt and nephew
@@Block-ge1oq Ned's parents were cousins
Far better than aunt nephew incest story.. Jon had far better chemistry with ygritte and Sansa
"Bye bye mini Ned. Mini Cat?" I died😂😂😂
i want them to be together in the books lol
I just know Ned and Robb were smiling down when Jon choked out Littlefinger like “YEAH GET HIM BOI”😂. I’m sure even Catelyn cracked a smirk up there.
Everybody saying that Sansa and Jon are related lol but he slept and fell in love with his aunt
Not sure how everyone managed to forget that when making the cousins argument 😂😂😂
In interview, the producers said the writers want to made jonsa real, and made that one of the reasons of Daenerys madness
Now that i rewatch those scenes, that obivious, and it should have been like that😢
Which interview?
Plzz give us a link to this interview or atleast give some information so we can find it🙏🏻🙏🏻
I never did get the 'Jon's war' thing, or Dany making it out like coming to the north was such a huge sacrifice on her part. This isn't the north's war, this is a war between the living and the dead. It would come to Dany eventually, one way or another.
2:36 This doesn't feel like a sister disapproving her brother's girlfriend. It feels like "he is mine, don't you dare touch him"
I never thought I would ship Jon and Sansa but here I am
Here after the show "Snow" in the works. My Jonsa heart revived. There is such potential
They would marry and I agree about the potential, they have great chemistry together.
This moment 2:32 felt heart-warming.
Beautifully made
Me encanta la mirada de Sansa a Daenerys cuando abraza a job.
Sansa: get off bit!h, he is mine
Damn… Petyr really likes provoking stark men into pinning him to walls…
2:35 is craaazy, they shoulda made jon/sansa canon just from that
Wasted potential:(
You all ridiculous delusional people.. :DD Sansa - pretentious and arrogant while Jon is honorable and logical, simply incompatible.
@@deimantev8641 LOL
@From a Bicycle seat Listen up you spamming idiot, Sansa is not Jon's sister, she is his cousin. And for your information, marriage between cousins is more acceptable in Westeros (and real world) than auntie/nephew marriage. Ned Stark's parents were cousins.
@@dandelionwine8871 So were Joanna and Tywin Lannister. Did they also forget that Sansa was also being considered to marry Robin Arryn, her cousin?
Deimantė V well he was logical enough to kill Daenerys when she couldn’t be reasoned with
“She’ll make a good queen” isn’t a great reason to surrender the North’s independence from the Seven Kingdoms. Even if she didn’t go berserk decimating the capital and instead ruled as a great queen, the fact is she’d be the ruler. A position of power that would have the power and ability to subjugate the North, whether it was Danny or a future King or Queen. Jon’s mistake was not realizing that the whole reason why Robb and then Sansa fought to secure Northern independence was to ensure that no foreign monarch could ever again do what the Mad King and then Joffrey did to the Starks, and by extension, the North.
2:34 eyes saying he is mine
Yeah man. Them wolves were growling at the dragon.
I see it😂😂
I thought I was reaching when I first watched GoT and thought that they will end up together, turns out I’m not alone
Jealous? Lol it's like a brother protect his sister... no more... have you a brother or sister ?
Exactly
I do have a brother, he has never acted anything like that, never once has he thought to attack people interested in me etc.
Siblings dont look longingly at each other
@Wavvy baby As you say
@@alisiakalka4480 was someone like littlefinger ever interested in you? A guy like 4 times your age who is known for being a backstabbing weasel? I'm pretty sure jon wouldn't have reacted like that if let's say podrick was interested in sansa
Sansa's character evolution is incredible.
" She'll be a good queen for all of us " man😂😭
When jon slammed balish against the wall all I could see was good ol' ned
I think Sophie turner is a great actress. It was her intensity of emotions which brings such chemistry
4:51 “She’s not her father.”
Well, that didn’t age well….
"Do you have any faith in me at all?" damn ok im fine
I laughed at "bye bye mini Ned"😂😂😂
Thank you for this vid!! I ship Jonsa so much😍
And The Good Thing Is She Is Not His Sister
Damn Jon & Sansa Had More Chemistry Than Jon & Danny
Fun fact: Basically Daenerys is Jon's aunt :)))))
Not shipper and they were not canon in show but there was subtle romantic shit going on between Jon and sansa. I need explainations! (anyone calling me deluded or mad will be insulting my intelligence)
In the light of the House of Dragon and what Viserys said about the true purpose of the Targaryen on the Iron Throne, and uniting the Seven Kingdoms, it's obvious that Dany was not fit to be the queen. Jon, naive as he might be, intuitively KNEW what was a right thing to do, he wasnt corrupted by the power. at least yet.
And yet he was the one who was punished for his loyalty to people and life, for people were not ready for self-governance and wanted this "blood" and "birthright" and "queens and kings" story to lull them.
Jon looking up at Sansa at 4:40 is just hilarious😂
meandmysanity he has to, sophie is taller than kit
He looks so frail lol
its not that hilarious ..lol? He's a lil short. She's tall. this isn't like a 6 ft woman next to a 5'2 man
It's only a slight difference, kit is 5'8 Sophie's 5'9
Sophie is pretty tall for a woman
It reminds me of my daughters ages 16 & 14. The 16 year old is barely five feet tall and my 14 year old is 5'10 barefoot. It's funny as hell to see her looking up at her younger sister when they're talking.
I mean marriage between first cousins is the norm in many areas of the world, but neice/nephew .. not so much 🤢
Start reading about Muslims they don't even leave their mothers alone
0:13 *Ned Mode Activated*
LOL
There is nothing romantic going on between them imo. They love each other dearly in a brother sister way and are also very protective of each other. A part of Sansa may also be a bit jealous of Daenerys but clearly not in a romantic sense. After all the abuse and trauma she went through Sansa is probably deep down a bit afraid of being abandoned. The reason for this "ship" is imo that the actor Kit Harington has good chemistry on screen with Sophie Turner. He seems to be into redheads ;).
There were rumours that Kit and Sophie were hooking up during filming of the 6th season
i completely agree with this, its like reading incest into any close sibling relationship. He was even this close to Arya as well.
@@hoya1178 what? Didn’t Kit have his thing with his deceased girlfriend actress Ygritte? Lol that would be wild
"I love sansa" the subtile move of Jon's head...
They are meant for each other! I've never ship 2 characters so hard in my life
Fun fact: A relationship between Jon and Sansa (who are cousins) would be much more legal and moral than a relationship with Daenerys (who is his aunt)
i may get a lot of hate for this but imma say it: Jon and Sansa had more chemistry than Jon and Dany.. I actually wanted Jon and Sansa to end up together.. I know they were raised as siblings, but have you all forgot the Targaryen brothers and sisters married to each other? That's worse.
I hope in winds of winter George make Sansa and Jon endgame