i do agree with him u got look at the season as a whole not just league, like if Liverpool won cl, fa cup, and league cup and finish 10th that still better season then finish 4th with no trophy. league is bread and butter but u got look at other trophy too
@@MrSkiller703 you cannot lay foundations for a club to move in the right direction/project if you take steps back in the league. A cup competition success is flawed because you do not play everyone and you sometimes might get home advantage or lucky draws. The league is 38 games across an entire season, you play everyone twice - home and away. United last season beat (barely) Coventry in the semi of the FA cup. Is that progress? Do you look at the United team and genuinely believe that the football being played, the project under ten hag is taking steps in the right direction? Even more so when you go backwards in the standings? The league cup is 5 matches, the Fa Cup is 5 matches - against teams most big sides field B teams against. Can you field the United B team against Brighton in the league?
This is so stupid. If you finish 10th, and win Europa to get CL... you won't get out of the group stages in CL. Finishing 10th and winning a cup is such a massive lack of ambition. Sounds like a Leicester fan. Unbelievable.
League form is the best way to judge progress because it’s over a long period of time. Cups can be won by just getting a lucky run. What is Andy talking about
@@youngen_1239 key word is “can” I’m literally a united fan but it’s a fact that league form is how you actually see progress your probably just a 7 hag dick rider
@dexyboyddt What’s the point? The massive windfall of money that comes with Champions League football. And attracting better and better players who want to play Champions League football.
@@mufcmike7 Utd are struggling against the likes of Fulham, Palace and even Coventry etc these days, imagine what Real Madrid would do to them if they played them right now?!
@@dexyboyddt you must be talking about last season because they didn’t struggle against either Fulham or Palace when they’ve played them this far this season. They were comfortably better. I would say this transfer window under Ineos was a success. If you are talking about the window they had with CL football when Joel Glazer was still signing off on transfers, yeah, wasn’t great.
If United wins the Europa league??? Bruh this ain't FA cup nor that use less Carabao cup, this is Europe regardless of the level of teams in the competition..United aren't getting past R16s
Too right - Man U shouldn't be in the Europa League in the first place. They are not the Spurs of the North, they're a mid-table side. Will they blast through the opposition in the Europa Lge - No. 4th and the Europa League is an improvement but still miles off the big 3
It’s only acceptable if your challenging for 4th but come up short but win the Europa league , finishing 10th with a trophy is nice but doesn’t show progression at all
Liverpool & Bayer Leverkusen were favourites to win Europa League last season and didn't Atlanta won it in style and beat both favourites. So this favourite tag is nonsense by Goldstein and Man Utd should be getting top 4 after ETH has spent on his own players he wants.
I can't believe I'm agreeing with Andy! The problem with Darren is he's thinking of Arsenal and how important the Premier League is thinking its the be all and end all......... The disrespect some of the English show the Europa and Conference League is scandalous.
For a club like Man United you shouldn’t be sitting there rationalizing “mid table but a trophy” as success. Just the same that at some point 2nd place but no trophy can no longer be a “season to be proud of”.
At some point rationalizing mid table finishes but with a trophy becomes an excuse. Just the same as Arsenal has reached a point where 2nd but no trophy is no longer a season “to be proud of”. United’s at the point where you can’t just be happy with a trophy if your league play stays the same.
Bent is right, you can finish 10th and win the Europa league for UCL. No big player is going to want to join a club that's finished 8th and then 10th, irrelevant of having UCL football because you know you'll just get pumped in it and then finish midtable again.
As a man u fan, i can say that Andy has lost his mind! What's the point in qualifying for Champions League if we finish 10th!! If we're not able to beat mid table teams, how far are we going to get in CL?
Thats where I disagree too to say you would not be progressing by getting back into the champions league from winning the europa because your league position is worse than it was the previous year smh. Winning is important simply challenging every year does not mean you will win the league. Getting lucky in cup competitions and winning versus challenging for the league and losing I pick the former.
Who in their right mind would want to finish 15th. That’s 100% worse than finishing 5th without a trophy. You just become a laughing stock. I’m a United fan and that is idiotic. Andy please get a grip mate.
Andy…come on. The league is the only proof of consistency and progression. One off shoot out games in cup competitions is not enough. 17th in the league and a cup is poor because you would have literally lost every week lol there’s no other way around it. If Madrid finished 15th and won the champions league that manager is getting sacked 100%
Anything outside of the top 4 in the league this year should be considered a failure, in my opinion. Would you rather finish top 4 or win FA Cup, say? Top 4 gets champions league next season plus we'll be stronger in the transfer market
Win the Champions League , and it doesn't matter where you finish in the league. Win the league, and it doesn't matter if you don't win the FA Cup. Win the FA Cup, and secure a top-four finish. Better yet, win them all-because, you know, sleep is overrated anyway!
The definition of disillusion is Andy Goldstein. Mocked Arsenal for years for just winning FA Cups for fun and not challenging in the league. Now when it suits him the exact opposite is success for Man United. Hypocrite!
15th and Europa League? So to me that means the manager is getting the sack so how is that progression if your manager is so bad during the season that he gets sacked? If you made the case of 6th or 7th and the Europa then you have a debate but 15th? how many games are you losing to be there? Yes its all about trophies but there is also context and a club like Manchester United should never be in the position they are now and its not acceptable.
If there was every a clip to make football fans piss boil that was it 😂 Andy on the absolute wind up here. UTD by reputation should be "theory" top 3 club. 10 is not acceptable anywhere. Sackable
It is. Look at Arsenal. No trophies for past 2 seasons. Look at United. 2 is 2. Its the clueless ppl keep on going that United had a bad season whereas we have a good season.
Bent is the representative of delusional arsenal fans who believes getting top four is better than winning europa league which is better because it is silverware and also get you into the champions league You really can not make this up
It's total stupid talk about carabao cup, fa cup or euro cup or conference cup. Those are total useless competitions and trophies. I'm Liverpool fan and I don't care those cup wins, I don't even remember them. Top teams play 2nd or 3rd teams most matches, so it's only 1 game max 2 match results. Like today Liverpool play against West Ham EFL cup without no starting line up players. What's great of that? It's only english people who rates those trophies . Nobody else just don't give a flying fuc.....
Andy Goldstein gives me hope. If he can convince someone to pay him for his “work” and “punditry”, then there is hope for all of us 🙏🙏
😂
Stealing a living, probably still thinks utd will finish 2nd
His a cokehead
i do agree with him u got look at the season as a whole not just league, like if Liverpool won cl, fa cup, and league cup and finish 10th that still better season then finish 4th with no trophy. league is bread and butter but u got look at other trophy too
@@MrSkiller703 you cannot lay foundations for a club to move in the right direction/project if you take steps back in the league. A cup competition success is flawed because you do not play everyone and you sometimes might get home advantage or lucky draws. The league is 38 games across an entire season, you play everyone twice - home and away. United last season beat (barely) Coventry in the semi of the FA cup. Is that progress? Do you look at the United team and genuinely believe that the football being played, the project under ten hag is taking steps in the right direction? Even more so when you go backwards in the standings? The league cup is 5 matches, the Fa Cup is 5 matches - against teams most big sides field B teams against. Can you field the United B team against Brighton in the league?
This is so stupid. If you finish 10th, and win Europa to get CL... you won't get out of the group stages in CL. Finishing 10th and winning a cup is such a massive lack of ambition. Sounds like a Leicester fan. Unbelievable.
Problem with that Andy…. Man U ain’t winning no Europa league 😂😂
League form is the best way to judge progress because it’s over a long period of time. Cups can be won by just getting a lucky run. What is Andy talking about
Yeha lucky run like beating Liverpool and city last year in fa cup... the two best teams in the league 😂😂😂
Coventry?@@youngen_1239
@@youngen_1239 Or beating Coventry by a millimetre
You were minutes from going out to Coventry lol@@youngen_1239
@@youngen_1239 key word is “can” I’m literally a united fan but it’s a fact that league form is how you actually see progress your probably just a 7 hag dick rider
How the mighty have fallen. Look at the level standards they're now belittling themselves to just to feel ok 😂
What's the point of Utd getting CL football when they just get embarrassed when they're in it lol
@dexyboyddt
What’s the point? The massive windfall of money that comes with Champions League football. And attracting better and better players who want to play Champions League football.
What’s the point of anything then, might as well fold up the club
@@Photosoflife Utd got CL football last season and attracted who exactly from getting that? They have such an average squad these days.
@@mufcmike7 Utd are struggling against the likes of Fulham, Palace and even Coventry etc these days, imagine what Real Madrid would do to them if they played them right now?!
@@dexyboyddt you must be talking about last season because they didn’t struggle against either Fulham or Palace when they’ve played them this far this season. They were comfortably better.
I would say this transfer window under Ineos was a success. If you are talking about the window they had with CL football when Joel Glazer was still signing off on transfers, yeah, wasn’t great.
If its his team its progression, if its another team they are in regression.
And that ladies and gentlemen is what a glory hunter sounds like
True statement 😂 Glory Glory Man United
If United wins the Europa league??? Bruh this ain't FA cup nor that use less Carabao cup, this is Europe regardless of the level of teams in the competition..United aren't getting past R16s
Too right - Man U shouldn't be in the Europa League in the first place. They are not the Spurs of the North, they're a mid-table side. Will they blast through the opposition in the Europa Lge - No. 4th and the Europa League is an improvement but still miles off the big 3
@@elicastelli9728lol
It’s only acceptable if your challenging for 4th but come up short but win the Europa league , finishing 10th with a trophy is nice but doesn’t show progression at all
Man said 15th and a trophy is progress. He and Ten Hag went to the same school 😮
Liverpool & Bayer Leverkusen were favourites to win Europa League last season and didn't Atlanta won it in style and beat both favourites. So this favourite tag is nonsense by Goldstein and Man Utd should be getting top 4 after ETH has spent on his own players he wants.
Andy has lost it completely
ridiculous argument 😂😢😢
Agreed with Goldstein for once, doesn't matter where you finish if you get CL anyway...
mighty manchester united . why in cl if u are not good enough
I can't believe I'm agreeing with Andy! The problem with Darren is he's thinking of Arsenal and how important the Premier League is thinking its the be all and end all......... The disrespect some of the English show the Europa and Conference League is scandalous.
Bent would rather finish in a CL spot than actually win the trophy. Just like the club he supports 😂😂😂
He did play for spurs to be fair
For a club like Man United you shouldn’t be sitting there rationalizing “mid table but a trophy” as success. Just the same that at some point 2nd place but no trophy can no longer be a “season to be proud of”.
At some point rationalizing mid table finishes but with a trophy becomes an excuse. Just the same as Arsenal has reached a point where 2nd but no trophy is no longer a season “to be proud of”. United’s at the point where you can’t just be happy with a trophy if your league play stays the same.
He's basically just admitted that Man Utd are a cup team. Back to the 80s!
8th to 3rd is definitely progress but that won’t happen
How the hell did that Andy get this job?! 😂😂
Goldstein you're off it - just stop the nonsense...
we of the utd fanbase unequivocally do not claim goldstein the clown!
Bent is right, you can finish 10th and win the Europa league for UCL. No big player is going to want to join a club that's finished 8th and then 10th, irrelevant of having UCL football because you know you'll just get pumped in it and then finish midtable again.
Andy is delusional 😂
The idea manu are favourite to win the uefa cup is laughable they haven't even played one game yet.
As a man u fan, i can say that Andy has lost his mind! What's the point in qualifying for Champions League if we finish 10th!! If we're not able to beat mid table teams, how far are we going to get in CL?
“Man Utd win the europa league and league cup and finish 17th. Is that progression?”
Imagine telling Utd fans 20 years ago this
Andy, the problem is with you is that if United is substituted with other team like Arsenal, Liverpool etc. you will say the exact opposite thing.
I’m with Benty 100% on this one 🤔
Trophies isnt progress.i agree with bent, finishing 8th then 10th is NOT progress
Thats where I disagree too to say you would not be progressing by getting back into the champions league from winning the europa because your league position is worse than it was the previous year smh. Winning is important simply challenging every year does not mean you will win the league. Getting lucky in cup competitions and winning versus challenging for the league and losing I pick the former.
Andy is wrong on purpose most days just to create a debate im sure 😂
What makes him think they will win europa league your first team aint good enough but your squad are even worse
Pointless debate! No way Man United winning EL, if they are on the course finishing 10th or below.
Who in their right mind would want to finish 15th. That’s 100% worse than finishing 5th without a trophy. You just become a laughing stock. I’m a United fan and that is idiotic. Andy please get a grip mate.
Andy…come on. The league is the only proof of consistency and progression. One off shoot out games in cup competitions is not enough. 17th in the league and a cup is poor because you would have literally lost every week lol there’s no other way around it. If Madrid finished 15th and won the champions league that manager is getting sacked 100%
Erecttion always Hag is a GOAT manager. Already won the mighty EFL cup and FA cup with just €800M gross spend. Better than Flopp.
Thats the mid table club mentality right there
10th and europa if I’m Utd fan I’d be happy
Andy there's major trophies and there's minor trophies. Understand that boy!
Anything outside of the top 4 in the league this year should be considered a failure, in my opinion.
Would you rather finish top 4 or win FA Cup, say?
Top 4 gets champions league next season plus we'll be stronger in the transfer market
The IF , is the biggest IF in the world .
I would just like to hear Goldstein not talking nonsense for just once in my life
To even get a CL place by winning another trophy is almost as Ludicrous as finishing 4th to qualify for the “Champions” League 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah they should really change the name.
Win the Champions League , and it doesn't matter where you finish in the league.
Win the league, and it doesn't matter if you don't win the FA Cup.
Win the FA Cup, and secure a top-four finish.
Better yet, win them all-because, you know, sleep is overrated anyway!
The definition of disillusion is Andy Goldstein. Mocked Arsenal for years for just winning FA Cups for fun and not challenging in the league. Now when it suits him the exact opposite is success for Man United. Hypocrite!
Is it harder to win the Fa cup or Europa league?
It depends who you play obviously
15th and Europa League? So to me that means the manager is getting the sack so how is that progression if your manager is so bad during the season that he gets sacked? If you made the case of 6th or 7th and the Europa then you have a debate but 15th? how many games are you losing to be there? Yes its all about trophies but there is also context and a club like Manchester United should never be in the position they are now and its not acceptable.
Wow. Dude actually saying going from 8th to 10th is progressing 😂
Not everyone in Europa league is Barnsley Andy!!!!
8th and 10th is not the same as 2nd and 4th. 😂 No way you are doing anything in the Champions league if you finish 10th.
The fact that Goldstein is absolutely fine with finishing 10th just shows how far United have fallen
With 3 cups
Goldstein deluded as usual 😂
I’m not even surprised man. Bent is use to not winning trophies. He played and supports a club that only knows how to bottle up coke and Fanta
What club did u play for again?
@@marqpinkham3163 Please don’t make me say the club I played for because you won’t like it 🤣
@@marqpinkham3163 Not your Circus FC 🤡🤣
Oh how the might have fallen 😂 10th and Europa league “I think that’s amazing” says Goldstein 😂
and ole was sacked for less.but now happy witj THAThaha.
If United finish lower than 5th there is no way they are winning 3 trophies.
Winning europa is as difficult as coming in top 4 😂 the general assumption that they will win europa is laughable at best
Man Utd aren't Fergie's Utd anymore. How much longer till people stop talking like they have a divine right to be at the top end of the league?
How had Goldstein still in employment
For Arsenal winning the Europa and coming 10th would be a result what with their terrible record in Europe for winning silverware.
If Arsenal win the champions league and finish 6th we’ve gone backwards despite it technically being a better season than last season
Goldstein coping at the moment 😂
Man Utd no way winning premier league. I'd take fa cup league cup and Europa league and finish 10th, easy.
Couldn’t beat a second rate Dutch side, Banter United FC
Totally pointless argument. Going around in circles. Goldstein stealing a living lowkey 😂
If there was every a clip to make football fans piss boil that was it 😂 Andy on the absolute wind up here.
UTD by reputation should be "theory" top 3 club.
10 is not acceptable anywhere. Sackable
Goldstein has lost it. This, from a United fan
Lol I guess they did this show before twente
No one succeeds at Utd nowadays 😂
I'm not sure Andy Goldstein understands football, ffs 😂
15th and the europa league is progression 😭😭
If they finish tenth, they’re then in a shite position to challenge for the champions league…
It is. Look at Arsenal. No trophies for past 2 seasons. Look at United. 2 is 2. Its the clueless ppl keep on going that United had a bad season whereas we have a good season.
Bent is the representative of delusional arsenal fans who believes getting top four is better than winning europa league which is better because it is silverware and also get you into the champions league You really can not make this up
How does this Goldstein have a job talking football 😢
Andy has finally lost the plot, send for the men in the white coats.
It's total stupid talk about carabao cup, fa cup or euro cup or conference cup. Those are total useless competitions and trophies. I'm Liverpool fan and I don't care those cup wins, I don't even remember them. Top teams play 2nd or 3rd teams most matches, so it's only 1 game max 2 match results.
Like today Liverpool play against West Ham EFL cup without no starting line up players. What's great of that? It's only english people who rates those trophies . Nobody else just don't give a flying fuc.....
Literally the worst host on the show. If he disappeared tomorrow and I never seen him again for the rest of my life I wouldn’t even blink
Andy cop on please
ETH will win nothing. He will be fired in three games.
Andy is always talking nonsense lol… just show how far man u fan have come
andy you are out of your mind
He hasn’t got a clue what he’s talking about
Won 1 of their last 9 European games Goldstein. Your team is rubbish
You are nuts 😂
Goldstein is a clown? Has to be
Big man united ya know how the mighty have fallen. 😂😂
If United finish 16th will it The top 16th. United not going to win the Europa league . Man utd are not Sevilla 😂😂😂
Andy is whining Bentley.... 😂
And what about arsenal and that loser muppet who they just gave a new contract to?
🤮🤮🤮🤮 Talksport 🤮🤮🤮🤮 Personal B/S 😡😡😡😡
Its not progress its stagnating because there is no progress, Unless they want to become a cup team of course
“Anyone can win a cup”
How many did you win Darren??
Tbf he said "A cup" and that's exactly what he won
More than you! And he actually played the game at a top level unlike the likes of u who comment acting like man United are still relevant
@@marqpinkham3163 Listen to You ya keyboard warrior Banker🤣🤣 Are you Darren’s sugar baby? 🤡🤣
@@marqpinkham3163and you?🤡
@@marqpinkham3163 You 🤡🤣
United are okey wining a cup n getting smash by many teams like last year