Leica M10 vs Fujifilm X-Pro3 | The Best Digital Rangefinder [style] Cameras
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
- Is the Fujifilm X-Pro3 a poor man’s Leica M10 or something more?
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As soon as I heard “I borrowed the X-Pro3 from...” I immediately knew the direction this video was going to go
Yeah this was not unbiased…. By any means… content for the sake of content…. Booooooo.
Fwiw, every review or comparison hopefully brings YEARS if not decades of experience into it all. Completely unbiased reviews just aren’t a thing, but fwiw, I own more Fujifilm cameras than Leica cameras ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@benjhaisch Well said. A review completely without bias isn't possible, unless you're just simply comparing measured specs, which would be very boring lol. We all have our own experiences and preferences. For the most part I thought this video was reasonably fair, with the only exception to that being Leica winning the lens category, which is pretty laughable (see my other comment for explanation).
Same haha
@@benjhaisch well no shit you own more Fujis they cost a fraction of what it takes to buy Leicas lmao
Benj, Your take on the viewfinders is interesting. As an old Leica user, I had in hand a system of (vintage) Leica lenses. I was completely sure I was going to buy a Typ 240 until I saw the X-Pro3's finder! It humiliated the Leica's for my glasses-wearing eyes. Brighter, sharper, a mile of eye relief, a ton of space outside the bright lines that I could actually use, built-in diopter adjustment, as many or as few informational icons as you want, correction for angle-of-view change with (much closer) focus distance.... it was not a short list of advantages. It handed the Leica finder a doleful drubbing. And the finder is what these cameras are about. I bought the Fuji. ----- Yeah, the Fuji's finder is .52, compared to .73 for the M10. That may be a major thing for you. And it's clearly what you are used to. But we should remember why it is that Leica finders are mostly in the .71-ish range. It's not that Leica thinks that glasses wearers not being able to see the 28mm lines at all and having to shift around to see the corners of the 35mm lines is a good thing so much as it's about the rangefinder. Viewfinder magnification determines effective rangefinder base as well as how clearly the user can see the patch. South of .7, focusing 90s becomes a bit dodgy. Which might be why Leica no longer offers a .58 finder option. Absent the focusing limitations, I'll bet a Fuji-ish .58 option would be pretty popular. ------- Then there's the matter of this manual focusing thing. The Fuji doesn't even have manual focusing in OVF mode, in any practical sense. The only way you can focus the Fuji for-real manually is "groundglass" style - when you are using the camera as an SLR. (Or in that little display in the corner of the finder. Which is still "groundglass, SLR-style" focusing.) You could fairly compare that to using the Visoflex, I suppose. But why bother, because the whole point of these cameras is the optical finder and what that means to freeing your mind to worry about stuff that matters instead of focusing. Real-world, "manually" putting the patch on the subject and pressing the button until it turns green then re-composing or lining up the patch and then re-composing seem like pretty similar methods to me. Even though one technically is "autofocus" and one isn't. If you want to talk about "manual" focusing, those two methods are what you would need to compare. I can't say which is "better", BTW. Both have largely the same limitations and both require the photographer to learn some skills. OK, some difficult skills. But there's a point to the effort. The Fuji does have the "bail-out" option of switching to for-real autofocus. That is a thing, but maybe not as big a thing as it sounds. ----- Yes, I'm happy with the Fuji system. All things reasonably equal, it's what I reach for first. I'm certainly not selling it anytime soon. That said, I have been shooting a little film in my Leicas lately. It's fun. As I write this I'm shopping for a 246. Not to replace the Fuji and not for professional reasons, but just for personal, emotional ones.
Interesting bit about the finders
Another thing re glasses & the XPro that suits me is the ability to wear prescription sunglasses and increase the brightness in the EVF when using zooms, a bonus to this old eye. By the time I'd adjusted a patch system (I have tried) the show would be over.
just picked up an X-pro3 last week and i couldn't be happier with it
I just watched 16 minutes of “I own a Leica, so let me justify my expense.” Two totally different cameras with completely different use cases that really shouldn’t even be compared. But, watched the whole thing, because I like the videos. Keep it up!
Haha, it’s been requested waaaaaaay too many times and I happen to be one of the few that has pretty extensive experience with both. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@benjhaisch I think people need to understand that aside from general appearance, these are two completely different tools. Anyway, looking forward to the next one. Take it easy.
you saved my 16 mins bro
Literally my thoughts exactly
I just borrowed one to test it out. I used to have the XPro-1. Hardly used it aside of filming Skateboarding. Rather kept on taking pictures with the M6. Sold the Xpro and got an XH1. Better for filming, and still can mount my Leica lenses. Bought an M8. Didn‘t use it too much, M6 way better. Borrowed a M10, being skeptical, thought it‘s like the M8 but more sophisticated. Weird thing, it feels like my M6. Been shooting it a week and enjoyed it. When switching to the M6 there is no „adapting“. With family there isn‘t that much time for the extensive darkroom work, so I‘m considering on getting an M10-P on the used market. Hardly did any post, really like the look. But yeah, the arguments against it, I truly understand. Still contemplating… 🤷♀️
That fuji lens hood is breath taking. And looks way better in worn condition than perfect... **runs over to scratch up my own fuji lens hood**
Yeah man my 35mm f1.4 hood is scratched up like that and I love it hahaha
Can you review the lightsaber in the back pls
Find your own kyber crystals, young padawan.
Huh?
Even if it was twice the price of the current X-Pro3, a full frame X-Pro would sell to a lot of photographers who want to adapt their Leica lenses without stretching to the M10 price point.
Fuji makes an M mount adapter you know.
@@NullStaticVoid Yeah but it’s APSC so putting M mount lenses on it results in a crop factor and loss of detail and bokeh.
I picked up an M-E (later model M9) this past summer and it's been interesting contrasting it against my main workhorse, the X-T3. I thought your comments towards the end hit the nail on the head for my experience; the M-E is no question a more involved, challenging shooting experience. It's reminiscent to me of shooting film, where I need to take more care. It's not how I would choose to shoot everything, which is why I pick it up way less than my X-T3 or X100V, but sometimes I want that highly tactile experience of holding a hunk of brass in my hand, moving a focus tab, and turning metal dials to set my exposure.
Using most modern mirrorless cameras is like shooting fish in a barrel. The M-E feels like using the most high-end crossbow ever made. It feels that much more satisfying to produce a great image out of it than *because* it is more challenging. My hope is that at the end of COVID I will be able to take it out and do some street photography and really become adept at using it. It won't be for everyone, but I find it undeniably fun.
I'm glad you brought up depreciation. One of the things people don't consider when evaluating the price of a piece of kit is the rate a depreciation. What you spend on a camera or lens is not the initial purchase amount. It's the initial purchase amount minus the resale value over time. For instance, I bought my XT-2 back in the day for about 700 dollars. I sold it about 8 months later for 650. So, in reality, I only spent 50 dollars on that camera to use it for eight months. WAY cheaper than any rental. This is a huge factor to consider when buying Leica. If you're able to resell it after three years for only a thousand or so less than what you bought it for, then it's actually not that expensive of a purchase. Leica lenses in particular hold their value incredibly well, so you can't really go wrong if you buy one used. Obviously, you have to have the money to make the initial purchase, but it's certainly not a nonsense long-term investment.
Absolutely agree
There are some case where used Leica lenses are selling for more than their original retail price. I forget which, but I think it might be the Elmarits.
I might argue xt2 lost half of its value during my ownership
Actually it’s only the Leica glass that holds more value than the bodies. I personally wouldn’t want to pay thousands for an M9 when camera sensors are much better for the same price. Now Leica film camera bodies do hold a better value. I bought an M3 in 2009 for $500 and sold it last year with a misaligned rangefinder for $700. Paying more for a digital sensor doesn’t make sense today unless it was unique which is why I feel in the future, Fuji cameras will have a higher resale value as classic digital cameras than any other company.
@@MGrose407 Funny you bring up the M9 because I happened to pick up one that had a replaced sensor by Leica for about 2100 just 3 days before Leica announced that they were going to stop servicing the M9 entirely and all M9's out there were corroded sensors fate was sealed to forever have corroded sensors. I sold it just a month later for 3000, and that's actually the only reason I did sell it was the price increase.
X-pro is the Contax G-series of this era. Well-said. I just wish it was full frame.
They make medium format cameras at full frame prices, so, you could always try one of those....
I agree. I have a G1 with a 45mm I use, definitely.
Why do you wish it were full frame? You can buy a gfx for less than the Leica and have a bigger sensor and more resolution; plus weather sealing and ibis.
Great video. Started to shoot Leica a year ago with a Q2 and got sucked into the Leica ecosystem completely. Since then I love the M line and still see shooting with it 10 times as often compared to other much more advanced cameras. I fully can understand why people love Fuji. Was thinking about that as well but finally jumped on the Leica train and never regretted it since then. Thanks a lot for your videos. Greetings from Vienna, Austria. Stay safe!
Very good video! For me the use and being inspired by whatever camera + lens we use is the most important, makes me wanna go out and use more often. Ive bought limited xpro2 graphite 2 weeks ago with 35 1.4 and love that combo for photos and just having fun outside, also got 18-55 zoom to use for other stuff and thats enought for me. I am selling x-t30, 23 & 35 f2, 55-200 - it was good for learning and trying. But xpro2 with 35 1.4 feels more old school and it just affordabale without breaking the bank too. Anyway. Cheers pal.
I think the XPro3 win the lens category because it can adapt all Leica lenses as well via adapters. Leica mount can’t adapt anything. Just a thought.
Yup agreed.. Pretty much anything can be adapted to the fuji mount. Even leica glass...
I was thinking the same thing when he mentioned that, especially when he talked about 7artisans and TTartisans. They make manual glass specifically for the Fuji X mount.
It is hard to separate the lens category from the focusing category. Leica lenses arguably produce the best images and it is easier to focus Leica glass on a Leica body than on a Fuji one, so from that standpoint Leica wins the lens category. But I see your point.
Fair point, but beware the Fuji M Mount adaptor does have a list of compatible lenses. Some popular Leica focal lengths may not work on your Fujifilm body.
I think you can mount a Nikon AiS lens in a Leica M with very good results, thing is you need to either use Live View or a Visoflex to focus. The OVF of the Leica won't help.
While I agree on some points, you're definitely biased towards Leica😅Like the experience for instance, usable range for viewfinder on Leica is very limited, shooting wide angle or tele brings no joy, whereas X-Pro can give EVF when you need😉And yeah, giving a point for the whole sensor just because it's bigger, c'mon🤔
Love your lighting man!
Nice comparison, thanks ! I used other brands too but when I tried my first Leica (an M9) I became addicted to the Leica experience :) now use an M10-P, and a Q2 when autofocus is needed
One thing that I find really cool about my X Pro 2 is the ability to place the focus spot almost anywhere on the frame. When I was shooting film on my M4, especially with a shallow DoF lens like a 90 mm Sumicron, I had to locate the point of interest (e.g. the subject’s eye) at the centre of the frame, focus, then recompose. In a dynamic situation, there might not be time to recompose. Meanwhile, with the Fuji, you can reposition the focus spot with the little joystick and get composition and critical focus all at once! Small thing, but part of the all-important shooting experience.
Another thing. I agree totally that manual focus with a focus-by-wire lens sucks. However, if you use a rangefinder lens with an adapter, and the Fuji OVF, the experience is actually pretty good. My only reservation is that my 1970 35 mm Sumicron is softer and noticeably less contrasty than the Fuji f/1.4 35mm. Great if you’re into nostalgia, but not a go-to for my purposes.
Did anybody expect an unbiased review?
Interesting video! These actually compete against each other very well!
I've been shooting Fuji for the last 5 or 6yrs & I love em but I've always had a Leica itch. So I recently scratched that itch with an M8 & boy am I hooked. Now I'm hankering after the M9 Mono. 👍
Really nice video. I began with a nikon FM2 and Trix during almost 15 years before to switch to digital with the Canon 5D MK2 and 8 years ago, i sold it for Fujifilm with several bodies : XE1/XT1/X30/XPRO2/X100V (all sold then) and now i use the XPRO3 and X100V.
... BUT Leica remains my dream camera this whole time. The M10 series convinces me to jump in and I ordered a M10D a few days ago, can't wait anymore. Your video confirmed my choice ! Thanks
I have used both and I believe it first depends your budget as they are both great cameras!!! From all the M numbers, I now use an SL and I truly enjoy the outputs and shooting at ease!!!! Thank you for this!!! When the M14 comes out, Im back to the M and I say goodbye to the SL!!! Cheers
So cool to see you talking about the X-Pro3! I’ve made so many videos about this cam haha...I would love to try the Leica at some point!! Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I really enjoy your channel 😊
Nice comparison. the two cameras look really similar yet the leica still looks much more clean and better. However, for the price of the x-pro 3 you can not even buy a used m 240.😣
I just bought a used X-Pro 3 with 3 lenses for the same price of an M 240. I know the Leica will probably hold its value for longer, but I couldn't be happier with the Fuji, and don't really ever plan on switching over.
Gaffers Tape on my Leica so the Wife still thinks I'm shooting on a Fuji.
I upgrade from X-pro1 to X-pro2, now the Leica M240, my wife thought I am using the same camera
@@8utt3rsasdqwe Sometimes in life, we are forced to make difficult decisions.
Funny thing is I didn't have to tape the dot, nobody in my family noticed that it's a different camera 🤣
Truth is it's actually my wife who suggest me to sell the Fuji and buy the Leica... 😅😍
@@obscur_yoann lucky dude haha
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This was an interesting comparison. I'd like to see a video of shooting with the two side by side, commenting on the experience, then comparing the images from the two.
I started shooting with Leicas in 1968 and I've had my current M3 for 40 years. My wife feels my best work has been with the Leica and she can look back an pick out the ones taken with it. We were actually in a camera store, I had an M8 in hand and my wife was encouraging me to buy it. I could easily afford it but I just couldn't justify it.
While I am very comfortable shooting true rangefinder, it only works best with a narrow range of focal lengths, the Summicron trinity of 35-50-90. Anything outside of that range becomes a challenge. To me the advantage of the X-Pro is you are able to shoot OVF in that range, but you can also go way outside that range and shoot EVF. This is a big advantage of hybrid viewfinders.
Yes, the Leica is wonderful, but I can easily hobble along with Fujis at a significant savings. To put my experience in perspective, I have a BFA from Art Center LA and worked for years as a full time professional.
You summarized it well.. ultimately it is gear love - phrases like “shooting experience”, “makes me want to pick-up and shoot”, “love the way it feels in my hands”, “involving”, “slows me down”, “I have to work it”, “feels like I am doing something”, “love the weight of it”, “love the way it looks”, “Leica pop” all of this tells me it is really is all about human-camera interaction and preferences. Well, I hope you compare it it an old Fuji GFX 50r (to keep the rangefinder-esque criteria), a Leica would still score on OVF and perhaps design with experience split right in the middle, objectively speaking.
As a Fuji user since the xt1 I was able to try out an m9 for a bit and while that was a truly remarkable experience, it made me anxious to actually use it because of the price point. As much as I love brassing, the idea of accidentally brassing someone else’s camera made my stomach turn.
Great videos as always! Keep ‘em coming!
Yeah, as a traveller, Icannot imagine taking photos in the damp cambodian jungle with a 10k camera, its completely out of question.
Superb comparison, thanks for sharing your thoughts on both system!
Great video I recently went a little crazy and picked up quite a bit of gear as I got back into photography (all of it used thankfully) including an xPro3 and Leica MP (film). I like my xPro3 and love love love my MP. I would love to see some more comparisons specifically would love to see Q2 vs XPRO3 (with 18/23/35/56 lenses). Mainly because I am seriously considering make that specific move :)
Love the comparison. THanks as always Benj!
Great comparison! I own and love my XPro-3. If I was going to buy a camera that I'd keep for 10+ years I'd probably go Leica. However at my age a 10+ year camera is probably not a good investment ;) You did make me realize what a Leica wannabe I am, and what partially drove me to the XProX model to begin with.
Enjoyed the video and thought you gave an objective overview. From my perspective, FWIW, I’d think a better comparison would be the Leica SL (or SL2S) to the XPro 3. It’s just hard matching up a manual focus rangefinder with the auto focus mirror less. I do shoot with both brands, like them for different reasons.
Great video but Id love to see more examples - sample photos, sample videos, sample stuff showing the viewfinders inside the fuji and leica
I owned both (but with the Leica being typ 240) and I love each of them differently. Btw FYI I bought the M240 based on your video. Great video as always!
hope other companies release their own digital rangefinder versions. really tempted to get the xpro3 but might wait for the next one.
Awesome video, thanks Benj!
Great Video - thank you. I love both cameras 👍🏻
The X-Pro 3 has a X-Trans Sensor that is doing very good work with Filmsimulations. I think it's not well thought out to just give the point to the Leica due to the size of the sensor alone.
Yeah, it makes no sense. The usual "sensor size hype".
can the M10 do long exposure (more than 30") with high iso? (3200 and above)
Ur dropping the best videos atm
But seriously, thanks for the great reviews. Hope to see a Q2 review soon. Maybe a head to head with the X100v?
Working on acquiring one!
I’m running a Similar camera kit, the previous generations of both cameras from this video. I’m using the M240 and X pro 2, need autofocus and video every now and then, otherwise it would be a Leica only kit.
I think for many the prices of Leicas are difficult to grasp/justify especially when they come with so many technological handicaps so to speak but I fully understand what are you driving at in this video having both Leica and Fujifilm systems; that feeling of cooking your own meal as you note is something special and the fact that the cooking utensils you are using are arguably art in themselves makes the feeling even more gratifying and want to cook. First time I've commented on your videos but have been a big fan. Keep it up.
loved this video, having a film Leica I'd really like to see a comparison between the m6 and another maybe slr film camera, great videos as always, thanks
You don’t need to make such a video man. You already know the results and we already know you are a Leica Fanboii :D
I relate to the paying more for a harder experience... I am currently working with an ALPA SWA with a digital back and a film back.... every shot takes a while....
Great video! Enjoyed watching! Can’t wait to see if the universe puts a Leica Q or Q2 in your hands in the near future to try! As you are an avid Leica user, I’d love to hear your thoughts on it!
Thanks Benj, great video! But, manual focusing? In my opinion Fuji has the best focus peaking system by far. It is so easy to use it even in dark situations.
This video is amazing!!! I like your style a lot... on your videos We can actually see the cameras, specially this kind of classic, amazing, beautiful cameras!!!
Could you Tell how M10 Raws/jpegs compare to the M240?
Hi Benj, IMHO shooting film with a Leica is a great experience that is not forcing me to regret not using my EOS1 but for digital I prefer my X-Pro3. Don’t you think that the love we have for our film experience with our M bodies and lenses tend to translate into the digital space without too good reasons? The only issue I have with Leica (film) + Fuji (digital) is consistency in muscle-memory.
You should make a video comparing a Leica camera with a similarly priced Fujifilm camera, something like the M10 vs GFX 100S with a nice GF lens. That would be very interesting to see what you're getting for the SAME price from both brands 🙃
I’ve requested a GFX100S for review but I guess my UA-camr status hasn’t reached that level yet ;)
GFX 100s might not be a fair comparison since it’s not a range finder “style” camera. Maybe a GFX50R? It’s a much older GFX that should be a fun video to watch. It’s would be awesome if you can get a M10R too. So it will be a battle of 50’ish mp monsters. I do enjoy your videos. Great contents. Keep it up. I’ll make sure to watch and like.
@@orispace No, the 100s. The best for the best...they discontinued the 50r. This many pixels needs ibis these days.... The 100S images will blow away anything under 10k sold by Leica. Anything.
I have that same brass grip for the X-Pro3 and it’s so sick. Yeah I really wish that Fujifilm would offer lenses that are simply not focus-by-wire. That’s a tall order, I get it, but I would love to have that experience plus more lenses with zone-focusing indicators. I was actually thinking today how dope it would be for Fuji to incorporate an actual rangefinder patch in the next X-Pro model. Or at least firmware updates so we can have a representative “rangefinder” mode for manual focusing, in addition to peak highlights and split image. Tall orders, again, but fun to think out of the box.
Biggest weakness the X-Pro has no doubt
Oh, but they did. And a superb one at that; check the 23/1.4. Sure it's slow as molasses so I don't use it even tho I have it.
If you want something that is mechanical and of comparable quality get some equivalent Voigtländers. I have a couple of M-X adapters and put my Leica and Voigtländers in my X-Pro2. Superb experience and the focus-peaking is faster even than the Leica patches.
@@jorgemtrevino yes the clutch focus is super cool on that one, the 16mm 1.4, and the 14mm 2.8. It still works as focus-by-wire though. On the note of manual focus lenses, I totally agree. I lobe using my Leica glass on my Fujifilm.
Excuse me could u tell me What's the best for recording UA-cam videos like urs !!
My experience as a photographer for the last 30 years using many different camera brands. In the film days it was first the Minolta Dynax 700i, a fully automatic camera with great eye AF and it had this expansion card system where you could get settings to do certain things. Then I moved onto an Contax G2, ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Olympus system, then Nikon, then settled with Canon all the way until the first 6D.IT was around the time of the Leica S2 and Leica M8 that I seriously started considering Leica.
Now I have a little bias, considering I really wanted a Fuji X Pro 1 when it came out but the store I purchased cameras didn't have any in stock. I got a X-E1. Within a few months, I accidentally dropped the camera and the sensor turned upside down and green. I contacted Fuji, there was nothing they could do. I got so frustrated I went to a local used camera shop and asked if they had a Leica... The rest is as is said, history. I shoot a Leica M, Leica SL2/SL2S, Q, S typ 007 and as well, Lumix, Sigma, Blackmagic and RICOH. I would say 80% of the time I would go to an M and at least consider taking it before any other camera. As you said, the rangefinder (where the actual M comes from, Messsucher) is something that isnt for everyone. However nothing good ever is.
Thanks for the info. I was torn between xt-30 ii and X-pro 3. X-Pro3 is a 3 years old camera while x-t30 ii is newer, price also a factor, finally I went for the xt-30 ii.
By the way, may I know the lens model attached to the X-Pro3 in this video, thanks.
Worth mentioning Leica M-mount glass can be used on Fuji bodies without issues, but as far as I'm aware, only M-mount lenses can be used on Leica bodies.
While I shoot Fuji myself for multiple reasons, I started noticing I'm gravitating more towards fully manual lenses even though I have absolutely no issues with the Fuji prime lenses at all.
I'm a huge fan of both of these brands, it seems like both Leica and Fuji want to put the fun back into photography.
They're both reviving that nostalgic feeling of shooting with range-finder film-cameras but they achieve this goal with different methods.
Doesn't the X-Pro3 have a digital split image? How does that compare to the rangefinder patch on the M10 (happens to be my camera)?
It’s nice but takes twice as long because your eye has to dart back and forth from the center to the corner of the VF to check focus that way if you’re in MF
When Fuji won a category it was compared to other cameras. When Leica won a category it was not compared to other cameras. Just sayin.
Great video and great comparison and I would love both please.
my question: is there a single lens that can give the X-Pro 2/3 a full experience as digital rangefinder, with manual focus, parallax correction and EXIF?
Great vid, thanks! Tell me about these overshirts you like to wear. Where can one find them?
haha! just H&M or Zara. I'm not fancy.
what constitutes a good lens anybody?
Benj, do you ever have any issues with dust on your sensor? Leica does not have an internal dust cleaning mechanism like some brands.
I haven’t yet! But I don’t shoot at f/8+ against blue skies often
Great comparison!
Where has this product been all my life?! Works like a charm!
So the x-pro wins just in the categories the leica doesn’t take part in? ^^
I mean for most cameras those are pretty important categories
@@benjhaisch your point gets clear and I am with you but I think they both have only the rangefinder design in common
@@VirtualS0lution the fuji is not a rangefinder. It’s a copy in form only.
@@ericjenks9596 that why I think they are hard to compare - but ben has a point with the shooting philosophy
What kind of lens is on the Fuji?
can you use your presets on photoshop or only on lightroom?
You can use them in Adobe Camera RAW (ACR) so yes!
Great video, thanks! I always cringe a bit, though, when people claim to critique design but then just talk about the aesthetics. Aesthetics are a small part of design, but really the core is how the product is used. I.e. how well does it fit in your hand, how’s the button placement, how are the dials, how well does it fit your workflow.
Yes!
nice comparison - still cant relate to the faster focus speed with this view finder - using a friend's leica brefly and maybe other range finders like the small olympus camera and one fuji GF670 in shops is just not as easy as i keep hearing talk about - personal conclusion is that it takes practice to get good. - though wouldnt you only get to center focus? Owning a OM10 SLR style manual focus seem to allow me even see the change in focus on the edges as well and compose while focusing - or even a benefit of focus peaking as well digitally.
even so - still want to at least own a Leica Q over the M10 -
Would love to see M10 vs M10-R with image comparison. Also 28mm Summilux vs. Summicron is it worth it???
I’d love to do both of those! Send Leica a note about it haha
What lens have you got mounted on the X Pro? Thanks in advance.
the OG 18mm f/2
I would probably buy an M10 and a 35mm Summicron if I had £10000 to spare as I love the “simple” rangefinder experience. However I bought an M6 and the Voigtlander Nokton which scratches that itch. For digital I have an XPro2 which again satisfies my need for pared back photography, and I love the results. Having said all that, each to their own, use what you love to use
Hey great review! Fuji shooter here :) What impresses me about Leica is that the lenses are so small. Without compromising image quality. And I also like the colours a lot.
forgot to mention that you can get an external EVF for the Leica M10. can't really compare the Fuji with Leica other than they look very similar. it's like comparing Contax G to a RF. I shoot both (currently a Leica M3DS and a X100V) and the shooting experience is different between the 2. I find RF more fun but Fuji is more convenient.
One of the things I’ve often wondered about with the Leicas is the focus-recompose technique when using really fast lenses (as you often do). Do you find your focus ever slightly off because of that? Or have you learned to compensate by slightly front/back focusing after you recompose?
Loving the lighting updates, just about to purchase the X100V as my everyday camera after selling my X70. Love the X-Pro range but don't need another ICL camera
You won’t regret it
@@mariogpx2990 I’m stuck on color choice, normally go black but silver looks good!
@@alisinclair8529 both colors are great , but my favorite is black !
“More difficult experience” isn’t exactly right I would say. As long as you’re sure about the settings for light and using zone focus all you have to do is press the shutter. And there’s not AF point it has to find
Would you say the Fuji is a good camera for both professional and personal work? Weddings, portrait and product? or would you go for something more like an xt3/4
Not Benj but a long time fuji shooter, if you’re not going to be doing any serious video work then the xpro3 is a great stills camera, it has the same sensor as the xt3/4 so your image quality is the same and you can tether to a computer/iPad so the back screen in a studio environment isn’t an issue However the xpro3 doesn’t have hdmi out, less fps and bitrate options and it is more expensive than a xt3, it al. I don’t say that to discourage you from getting it. Just go into it informed.
@@bychrisjones Thank you this was really helpful, if i just wanted to use it for photography is it still a recommended option even with one card slot? thanks for you help by the way i really appreciate it
@@willmccleland2383 If you’re doing stills the X-pro3 is excellent, it has 2 sd card slots though I have done weddings and event work without that so I would still say it’s ok. Weather sealed, you can tether to capture one, same image quality as the xt3/4 Nothing wrong for paying for handling in my opinion. If I didn’t feel like I had to learn some video I would have stuck with mine.
@@willmccleland2383 That said if you don’t need weather sealing or tethering the xe-4 is excellent too. I had the xe1 and 2 before I got the xpro2 and I shot weddings with those
Great video Ben, thanks. I have the X-Pro3 and contemplating switching to Leica M10-P. When you look at the size of each, Fuji is about the same as the M10, why can’t they put a FF sensor in the X-Pro series? Yes the GFX-50R is a MF but take a look at the size of that body, not really made for street. I really like the XF lenses, of which I have several, but focus by wire is totally useless. I’ve had manual lenses on all my cameras, Nikon, Hasselblad and I really would want that on my Fuji. I have a TTartisan lens on order and will try that out, might even get a Summicron 35mm to slap on my X-Pro3 and try that…before going all in on Leica M10-P. Cheers.
Can you make a Review of the Pixii plus cam please?
I’d love to!
Very interesting commentary. But to be honest, I'm not sure I learned anything. As someone who uses the XPro2 (along with Nikon and Olympus) I can appreciate the quality and nuances that the Leica purports to offer. I'd love to try/own a Leica... but I'd be hard pressed to spend 4X the amount for what the XPro2 can competently deliver. So while I can appreciate all the fine points of a Leica, it really does come down value-for-price proposition for each individual to decide on: is that premium increase in cost worth the experience the price offers. As for long term value, I note that a used XPro2, for example, sells for about $1000 Cdn on eBay, or about 40% of its original selling price 6 years ago. A used Leica M10 sells on eBay for about 50% of its new price. So, Fujis hold their value - at least for these rangefinder-esque models - not too badly either. Finally, I'm not sure all those evaluation categories are equally weighted. If you added a weighting function, the two cameras might come out a lot closer on a normalized basis. For example, yes, battery life is important, but carrying 2 or 3 extra, inexpensive batteries is hardly a deal breaker. :)
Interesting video for two different and highly idiosyncratic cameras. For me, the takeaway is just how highly subjective camera preference is. I have the X-Pro3 which I enjoy very much, particularly when using the ovf to focus on composition. But for people deadset on having a real rangefinder the xpro is no substitute. For me, the other "objective" comparison points are debatable.
do you have much Leica experience? I do not have any fuji experience, but own Nikon, Sony and Leica .... Leica is just the best, so expensive most people will never get the chance to use them... that said, any camera will allow you to be creative and have fun.. take care.
I own three Fuji cameras and recently purchased my first Leica (240). There are things I love about both, but if Fuji could figure out a full frame camera with the same form factor I would be all in on Fuji. Just miss the full frame, but didn’t want to go back to a time when I was carrying around Canon Mark Iv’s
What about image quality and colour science?
Love this kind of video
Not much to say really, but as someone who shot Weddings on Fuji for years (release of xpro1 through to xt3) but now shoots Leica, I agree with all of your points. At this point in my wedding photography career, I derive so much pleasure from getting results I love from a minimalist camera, where I have to work harder and earn my shots. Anticipation beats burst mode and AF when satisfaction comes from craft and process.
Good vid! On the AF, you mention the X-Pro3 is not comparable to the very best, which may be true, but I think if you used a lens with the new motor (e.g. the 35mm f2) it closes the gap considerably.
I have that exact lens!
@@benjhaisch oh it looked like the 18mm you tried on it... Admittedly the latest Sony's are insane
@@vikdaddy closes a gap in speed not in whole focus game. Xpro3 is a great camera, but if you came to it from a sony it feels like a big downgrade. But I love it anyway :)
How much did you use the Fuji. Because you don’t sound like you used the camera
I’ve been using Fuji for far longer than Leica
Love it, thanks for this, I also shoot both and agree with you.
When u got to the lens category it totally threw me off. Does it not count for anything that you can basically natively mount M mount lenses on the fuji with their adapter and then you have access to M and FX mount glass? Would have totally put the check on Fujifilm for lenses. And I'm a Leica fanboy too.
ehhhh if the sensor size was the same, maybe. I personally just don't find adapting the M mount stuff to the APS-C to be that great of an experience. Again, just the personal opinion, but I guess thats why it's my video.
@@benjhaisch for sure! haha to each his own
I should have picked up an M9 a couple years ago. Prices for copies with a clean or replaced sensor are creeping back over $4k and approaching $5k..... copies with a corroded sensor are still in the $2k-$3k range. Wild... I bought my used GFX 50R for less than that.
Special Note: The Fujifilm TX1 was really being the 1st (vs. Hasselblad X-Pan Panorama Camera), but due a Collaboration with Hasselblad, Hasselblad named the Camera "X-Pan", and later came the X-Pan2, the same way, after the Original Fujifilm TX2. Into the 80-90s, Fujifilm also had the "Texas Leica" Professional Cameras into various Format Sizes being avialable, which looked like a Leica, but due sheer Size, Texas Leica into the US, therefore. Fujifilm does have a long heritage with Medium Format, and also TV Lenses for the prof. Video Gear, being used into TV Studios. So the Fuji-Hasselblad Collaboration was quite ordinary, back into the heyday, the same way, Leica did it with Minolta (think Minolta CL, CLE Series - and the M-Mount Rokkor Lenses)
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I had to give up the Leica because the newspaper I was working for stopped repairing and insuring them. But with the Leica, the images are all on you. I use the X-Pro3 now and the experience when shooting with it is very similar to the Leica. Both cameras are just begged to be used. I refer to the XPro-3 as a practical man’s Leica.
I really enjoy your videos .. they have been unbelievably helpful in my search for the right camera for me. Why would you do a comparison between 2 cameras that it is so unlikely the same person would be choosing between because of price.
Fuji did not make a version of the Xpan. They made the Xpan. It's the same camera, with different branding.
True
I’ve never lost value with my m lenses. I’ve only bought used and after a few years all my lenses have actually appreciated. Something that can’t be said for other camera systems. Investments indeed.
Total agreement, ditto the bodies, and then not only the M ones, LTM (M39) bodies and glass are in extremely high demand and supply is dwindling, at least for the film models.
However, you need to decide what is your camera for you, an investment or a tool.
Much as I enjoy fondling and showing off my gear, the final result (aka image) is the real value. 😉
has anyone shot the x-pro 3 with the hybrid viewfinder and a rangefinder lens? Does that give you a similar all be it not the same experience as a rangefinder camera?
It doesn’t :/
@@benjhaisch That’s unfortunate. I guess I go back to trying to sell a kidney.
There is no thing such as "rangefinder lens". Take a lens which is not focused by wire, put it onto the Fuji and turn off the EVF. You won't get closer than that to a RF.
@@diegaulle9143 I meant rangefinder lens as in a compact lens that was build for a rangefinder system be that an m39 or m mount
@@vincepetitjean We tend to forget that the OVF in a Leica is quite large and they build high quality glass also into it. The image through the finder is at it brightest and there is no blackout after shooting. There are many aspects to the "rangefinder experience" not just a compact, heavy lens with solid aperture selection and a smooth focus ring. I recommend you to try one out. They are great.