I think the same, her family is gone. She’s probably alive but just doesn’t see the point in being found anymore. Very sad still. I’m sure she is just so hurt from her awful experiences. Hopefully she’s either passed and with God or alive and doing better than she was in her younger years.
@@liraaell it’s true tho face it, u enjoy living good until u lose something close to u, this world is good but there evil and wickedness u never seen before and I could tell u ain’t ready for that reality
Don't question the girls sibling witnessing her abduction, then going back to sleep. This is not the first case I've heard of, where children around age 4-6 witnessed an abduction, and went back to sleep because their naive brains don't understand the gravity of what's happening, or they are scared. This is exactly what happened in the 1984 case of Jessica Gutierrez, where her younger sister witnessed the abduction, and was scared and tired, and fell back asleep after the abduction
On a far darker note, if children are being regularly abused, then they might not find it strange that someone comes into their room at night, and takes their sibling away. It's disturbing to think about, but children are naive, and if they are raised in an abusive or molesting home, they may not find an adult in their room, in the middle of the night, to be alarming, because to them, it is normal. They simply don't know what is right and wrong, and abusers take advantage of that.
Yeah, you really can't judge the actions of children in traumatising situations like that. Elizabeth Smarts little sister Mary Katherine was so scared she pretended to be asleep until she was 100% sure the abductor was out of the house, two hours later. Kids really can't be held responsible for their actions in situations like that
@@lollol9772 couldn't agree more, mom was a drunk, I'm sure she was pr*stituting those girls to pay for her party habits and finally one didn't return. Either that or she outright sold her into s*x sl*very. Mother is guilty somehow, pretty sure everyone feels that way though.
Also Elizabeth Smart's sister, who was in the same room as her sister during her abduction, stayed in her bed for hours before alerting her parents about what had happened.
If it’s real or a hoax, that 911 call claiming to be Anthonette is so creepy. In all honesty, I feel like her mom had an idea of who or what happened but didn’t want to say - not sure why, but the way the details have been laid out, from what I’ve read over the years, her mom seemed to be calm or didn’t come off as worried. Though, not everyone reacts the way you’d think when their child goes missing, so I don’t know how she truly felt or what the family was feeling; it’s just really odd how she reacted to that 911 call, saying that the kidnappers don’t mean to harm her…like WTF?!!!? She had to have known something. Still, it’s terribly sad that her family will probably never know what happened to Anthonette.
In 1985, someone randomly read that article and got either a lil kid, a voice specialist , or someone with s unique voice to help make a frantic 911 call……Na. People need to wake up and realize that Police work in the US only started to be audited after racial misconduct through the late 80s to late 90s. Before that half the force was probably on their way to diabetic coma from Dunkin Donuts
@@tonewopn8275 nope police oversights a joke, just look at Ferguson or Missouri as a whole. The problem is endemic and police unions shield bad cops. There are plenty of reasons police work has improved decade after decade and I'd credit scientific and technological advances more than oversight. If there was such great oversight why do we still have unarmed people getting murdered by cops who are found not guilty and are rehired so they can pull full pensions? Progress has been made, but we are a far cry from where we need to be
I'm not confused about the mother's idea of the kidnappers not harming her at all. My mother loved our cats a whole lot. One day, the male disappeared and his sister remained until even today. She cried about his disappearance, but she's almost convinced that someone must have taken him in, because there wasn't any corpse found that could be our cat. She blamed it on his sweet demeanor, that "obviously someone must have taken him and is now taking good care of him!"
It's just so mind blowing to me that police could be informed "Hey, a child is missing" and be "Yeah, get back to us tomorrow" And then be like "Well, it likely wouldn't have mattered anyway" They could have at least had peoples original stories written down with less time for details to be forgotten and altered with misremembering.
Its important to remember that anthonette is/was a native girl. And its also important to remember that, even to this day, police really don't care about missing or murdered indigenous women and girls...
@@cau1471 Sadly true. Missing non-white kids do seem to provoke a lot less "gotta save them right now" reactions from those in power. Meanwhile as a melinated person with nieces who are white and blonde, I'm afraid to be in public with them for fear I'll get someone thinking I'm kidnapping them.
What's mind blowing is that Reign is making money off tragedy. I mean, nice for her, but I wonder how the family feels, or would feel should they come across this. Especially once they hit the 2nd ad break and realized there is money being made off this. Pretty sad.
@@FinickyVoid Considering how old this case is? I don't think Reign is particularly stepping on any toes here. Also, news networks and articles make money off of it as well, while often providing more false or downright offensive information, so i don't think Reign showing this case in a respectful and objective way is morally wrong. In a lot of ways she's spreading more awareness in a better way than clickbaity articles, though again this case is old, it's still open.
That phone call and her scream as the call ended abruptly is one of the most haunting things I've come across. This poor girl. I hope she finds peace wherever she might be right now.
I’m starting to think the call was just a cruel, cruel hoax. It seems in so many of these kidnapping cases, even ones from the early 1900s, there are people that play these kind of hoaxes. Something about the fact that we heard an adult in the background so clearly say, “who said you could be on the phone?,” sounds a little scripted to me. Regardless, I hope the FBI is wrong and that Anthonette is safe somewhere.
Ya seriously shouldnt have to wait a day when an actual child goes missing overnight it's not like a little kid is going to go anywhere An adult sure cause people do just leave sometime to go get drunk or sex still better safe then sorry tho cause the first day is the most important part rarely do they survive past that
@@happysatanproduction8854not with children though. I’m childfree but I would totally take a minute to call the police and say what’s going on if a child looked scared and tried to contact me multiple times. There are like 30 people in the restaurant the criminal wouldn’t know who exactly did it.
@@happysatanproduction8854 That's exactly the kind of attitude that leads to so many problems in the world. "Hm I could potentially help this poor person... But it might inconvenience me so nevermind"
@@dmaxwell910901 you may think your comment is so selfless but its actually the opposite. how can you be so selfish demanding the people to help someone when there is a chance that can risk their own lives. even a tiny chance is not worth the risk. if you want to be a hero then go ahead and wear your cape. but dont tell us to go risk our lives
@DreSaidSo It was worse back then because you didn't have networking and social media in the sense that we do now. Cell phones weren't really a thing unless you were super wealthy, and police systems were not nearly as advanced as they become. Sadly, that made it exponentially easier for someone to literally get lost in the shuffle... so yeah, those were definitely scarier times.
Am pretty sure it's because of the grainy quality of that time. It does for our times what sepia tone and black and white did for grainy quality peoples in their time.
Every time they say the attitude the child had before everything bad happened it breaks my heart, because they were sweet and loving even caring. How can someone take away an innocent child from their families? These are monsters.
Thank you for raising awareness for this case. I live in Gallup and the case haunts the town. Missing Indigenous women and girl cases are not taken seruously. Thank you
Her mother was out at a bar, with friends. Apparently there were people comin in an outta the house all night. Thats why she opened the door. I blame the mom on this one. She knew more than she lead to believe. This story breaks my heart.
Unfortunately, the mother was probably allowing her daughter to be molested, and therefore it wasn't so odd to her or the children, that people were coming and going.
@@ironhanssmithy I don't think this is the same After hearing the McCann case, I speculate the parents were dosing their kids with xanex or a similar drug, to make them sleep, so they could entertain their drinking habits with friends. The parents probably accidentally double dosed Madeline, caused her to overdose, then, covered up the crime by claiming abduction. Otherwise, there have been some suspects arrested who may have actually stranger abducted her. There is one man who is in custody now, who is a serial child molester, who was in the area at the time, and is currently under investigation. So no, they may not have sold their kids, but they may have been exploiting them, in a criminal manner, then panicked and tried to cover their asses. I feel that is more probable, especially in Madeline's case, where the parents are doctors, on holiday. And the investigators probably judged them on outward appearance, assuming cause they were doctors, they were honest and responsible But they were probably wrong.
@@ironhanssmithy No. McCans parents were doctors, meaning not financially destitute like Cayaditto's mom. She was also a drunk. The people coming in and out of McCans were friends, the people coming out of the Cayedito house were strange drunks from the bar. Don't get me wrong I totally believe McCans parents are responsible, they just didn't sell her. It was just neglect. They made 6 figure incomes, yearly. A kid wouldn't get more than 10k. 10k means allot more to a unemployed barfly drunk than it does to someone who earns that basically in a month.
Cayedito's disappearance has always stuck with me. It's so sad that after 35 years Anthonette hasn't come forward or her body hasn't been found. I wouldn't be surprised if Anthonette was the babysitter of her two younger siblings. It's pretty common, especially in Hispanic families, to have the oldest look after the younger siblings. I don't think Penny was involved, but I do think she knew more than she ever told police before her death. This is just my speculation, but I think Penny lied about the babysitter and probably other things so she didn't have her two daughters taken away by CPS. After all, Anthonette was only 9 when she disappeared and if the police found out she'd probably (temporarily) lose custody of her other two daughters. It would explain why there was never any babysitter named. And also why Penny didn't think her daughter was missing until the next morning. I really don't have anything to back this up and considering Penny passed away in the 90s I don't think we'll really ever get closure on her part of the story. I just hope that, with the advancement of forensics and people that keep this story alive, her family will one day have closure.
The thing that stood out to me is supposedly Penny, after she got back from her date, stayed up till 3 am talking to Anthonette. If she was the babysitter, that might make sense, especially if one or both of the siblings were sick or had issues. Otherwise she's nine, why would Penny keep one of her daughters up so late?
My sister was about 7 or 8, I was a year younger and my brother 2 years younger than me when we were left alone. Latchkey children were common in the 80’s and 90’s. My older sister would watch us all the time and she was 7 or 8. All the families did this in the complex I grew up in. This wasn’t unusual and I can only remember having an actual babysitter twice and it was my older cousin. She was watching us for a three nights. Anthonette would definitely have been considered old enough to watch her siblings alone well into the night where I grew up.
@@cs2922 yeah exactly the first thing that came to my mind was why stay so late with your 9 year old daughter then go to sleep and somehow end up having your daughter answer the door late at night (my theory is that the mother might have been drunk and didnt come midnight but came home late at night possibly 3 and her daughter was still waiting for her)
Thank you for covering this case, Reign. It is one of the most baffling mysteries to me, even after having read a lot about it. I suspect she was either trafficked or kidnapped by someone in the community, based on the "Uncle Joe" ruse, but of course I can't be certain. I do wonder whether or not her mother was involved too, but it's probably too late to determine that.
I live in New Mexico and remember this case. The mother received a nice Corvette right around the time her daughter disappeared and no one could explain where it came from
she could have got money as a sort of gift, when my father died I do know my mum got alot of money from other family and friends. that is suspicious though because her family isn't very large.
FYI regarding Audible: They only let you return a few books before they make you ask permission, where they ASK YOU QUESTIONS. "No questions asked" is horseshit.
"I don't think they meant to harm her." Idk, by her screams it kinda seems like they already have. If they hadn't harmed her yet I'm not sure she would have screamed quite that intensely.
The way the kidnappers called themselves aunt and uncle makes it seem-at least to me-as though this is the type of kidnapping fueled by mislead parental desperation. The type of people who kidnap children that aren’t theirs because they either can’t have children or had their children removed from their custody and still want kids. I don’t have a concrete reason why but it’s just giving me that vibe. It’s most likely just something they said to trick her into going with them but still.
Is there a precedent for that kinda thing happening in real life? No offense, it's just I've only ever heard of that kinda thing happening in movies and cheesy children's books.
@@CJCroen1393 I think if i remember correctly listening to a case a while back about a lady who attacked another pregnant lady and cut out her baby and kept it because she couldn’t have her own kid or something of the sort. If i can find it ill try to link it!
@@biblicallyaccurateaedra There are many cases of women stealing unborn children from wombs. I know of 2 cases. In one the mother of the child died in the other case the mother had survived.
@@CJCroen1393 I’ve heard of a few cases, none particularly famous or outstanding, but they can and have happened. I find the psychology behind that mindset intriguing though, which is why I mentioned it.
Only reason she claims she had a babysitter is so she didn't look like a crappy mom. Pore little one you were so pretty here on earth I can't imagine how beautiful you are now with your angel wings. 👼
while i dont think the mom orchestrated it i do think she had a pattern of neglect that could've led to a shady acquaintance or family member taking advantage of that
Has anyone tried to identify the adult male voice on the phone call? Who shouts "Who said you could use the phone?" If the phone call is believed to be a credible lead, I would think that identifying the guy would be a natural thing to try and do.
I'm sure they have but if you think about that's a really tough thing to do. Where do you start? All you have is a "male voice" so we're talking millions and millions of people that it could possibly be.
@@aradiamegido2965 What? My point is that there's nowhere to start the search if no one comes forward to claiming to identify the voice. You can't just go up to millions of people and ask them to say "Who said you could use the phone?" in hopes of identifying him.
I had to pause..... When the mother said that that was her daughters voice in the tape, I wouldn't say, "I don't think they mean to harm her"... I would be like who the fuck is that voice and how are we going to find this out, what suspicious and lack of care for your child... I understand she has 2 others and she most likely sold her daughter off with the way she is acting
@@glugunner9719 or maybe she’s still living in denial…? Like that one Stephen king book, Misery, I think it was called. Or like HT!Toriel being perpetually stuck in delirium from being unable to cope with reality? Could be it
I agree with you. There is also the remote possibility that the mother knew EXACTLY whose voice it was (besides her daughter's voice), and either out of fear or intimidation, she never said anything, or it would be another daughter next (or even herself). The whole, 'they don't mean to harm her', thing might be an attempt to throw off the police (to save herself and her other 2 daughters). It's all a huge mess. I hope her Mom got her act together after this and left that rumoured "lifestyle" behind forever. Her girls deserved better and so did she.
Unrelated to the case but just something that was said: "Her parents said she was very mature for her age." I hate when people say that stuff, it's not a compliment and is just creepy as that kind of behavior is usually displayed by abused/mistreated kids, as they have to "grow up quicker" to deal with what they're going through.
Poor girl someone knows who took her,, it's crazy the waiter didn't see this girl was asking for help or thought something was wrong after dropping the utensils more than one time. I don't think she's alive anymore as she knew this people and if she's still alive who knows where she's @.
Exactly! She left those kids home alone which is probably another reason the little girl didn’t come forward with what she saw because why is a little girl answering the door and not the babysitter? Where’s this babysitter that was hired? I think anthonette was the one who was babysitting as she had to grow up fast
@@anchorpoint3631 It's my ff14 name because most content I engage with is FF14 and it makes more sense to use that than it does to use my real name. It aint that deep.
I don't think the kidnappers killed her. My theory is that the kidnappers wanted a child of their own but couldn't so decided to take her or any of her sisters. They may have forced her to change her name and she probably goes about with that new name. Also, the kidnappers must've been close to the family if she opened the door for them and knew her Uncle Joe, and maybe knew of the mother's drinking to take advantage of.
@@samgeorge1452 She most certainly was and it was def her mother who sold her. The phone call makes that situation very clear. If she was alive, she was being abused, period.
kidnapping inside the familly is also one of the more common kidnappings out there and because it is familly the child might not have been under the impression that she was in danger
@@pumpkin8826 It's dubious and difficult to measure and calculate the motivations of "do-gooders"... Look, I'm not about to shame someone involved in "animal rescue" operations, but if you watch them... ANY of them, you'll notice that there are just certain times they're just instantly fascinated by a certain animal. It's often unpredictable and not even the species or breed that they intentionally "specialize" in rescuing... Now, this is ONLY an example to contemplate... BUT from the gal on "Pitbulls and Parolees" (for instance you can research)... She specializes in Pitbulls because she's had real experience and training, not just with large dog breeds, but with large animals and specifically large predators in her past... She specializes in Pitbulls particularly, but also takes in Rottweillers and "regular" American Bulldogs as a normal part of "the routine"... BUT from time to time, and for little or no rhyme or reason, she'll drop everything to go salvage a gang of rabbits... She's rescued a group of chickens and a flock of ducks with a couple geese included when they got them sorted out and sheltered... at least, long enough to find someone else with the resources to step in and take them... AND she regularly just goes after some other random dog or even a cat for no particular reason... other than it attracted her attention... Now, in regards to abandoned livestock and pets (animals) and those abused cases that desperately NEED rescue, there's nothing wrong. I'm ONLY pointing out a pattern of psychological processing here. That's all... Many people have the personal intentions to get out and actually accomplish REAL and relevant good in the world on these "rescue missions", such as they are. I'd happily advocate for them, and have been an animal wrangler for rescues more than once, myself... both professional and volunteer. BUT I've also watched and gotten to know "the type"... AND I've seen similarities in their psyche' or "persona" to other "do-gooders". SO yeah, it's a strange case and all. At the same time, one of the peculiarities of people who fancy themselves to be rescuers is that from time to time they just get attracted to a certain situation, a certain person or animal or whatever "catches their eye"... AND they feel that they have to step in. There often isn't any other "reason" than "Ain't this so CUTE?!?!!!" or some similar... "Just so precious and sweet, we HAVE to do something!" There doesn't seem to be a lot of rhyme or reason... AND the possible sighting in the diner in Carson City suggests she was alive even years later. That could smack of "half-assing" the brain-washing, or perhaps that it was clumsy enough to simply not be effective. At this point, it's impossible to say until something of "pure luck" trips the whole situation up and gets us (audience/amateurs/etc...) more information. Finally... as cynical as I usually am by nature... I'm also NOT a cop or detective. THEY get paid and praised for being naturally suspicious and paranoid and pessimistic about people. They also suffer a great deal of psychological dysfunction for their training and experiences over careers in the field... SO for those of us who aren't, maybe it doesn't pay dividends to assume the worst in everyone and everything. Maybe a small group of do-gooders really thought they were rescuing Anthonette from a horrible situation, and maybe they'd have happily tried for the other two girls, but knew they simply didn't have the resources... Maybe there's just a little wiggle room left for indomitable hope. ;o)
More classic Reignbot pls. Great video. Really hope the lack of clues in this case isn't because she's indigenous/: those types of cases are mostly not at the top of the list of priorities which angers me, and is just tragic
If i was them i would look more into "uncle joe". The fact whoever was at the door might have used that name AND she had to have open the screen door something aint right. Its also weird that her sister said 2 guys took her and Joe has a witness to his alibi. Because if she heard Uncle joe but SAW it wasn't him she wouldn't have opened the screen door.
@@Saffron-sugarhe could say he’s from uncle Joe and her uncle is waiting in a car. She was 9 and it was 90-s so problaby she didn’t even know what danger it can cause
I would need to see the interviews to know whether people were holding stuff back. If any interviews are on tape from this case, they should be reanalyzed with newer analysis techniques. Great vid.
Why didn't the waitress immediately call the police after finding that note? It shouldn't matter if you think it's real or not, you should always do something.
I don't find the mothers subdued reaction strange, but I do find her comment about the kidnappers not wanting to harm her odd. I mean, the most likely answer is that it was just a mother desperately trying to soothe herself by convincing herself that they don't want to hurt her. When she heard that call, it was confirmed that she was taken and that some person(s) had her. Having that confirmed may have caused her to just reject the possibility that they meant harm. It also does make sense that if they did want to hurt her, they would have. Though, she didn't know for sure if they HAD hurt her daughter. All that said, it's just a weird comment. Honestly it seems unlikely we'll ever know the truth.
This is how I feel, too. I can understand that people are different, that not every parent would panic. But how could you speculate on something like that? Is she trying to have hope? If so, why say it publicly?
I remember this case so well it’s so sad so many missed chances to find her. There’s a case from my home town about a girl around my age at the time that was murdered by her boyfriend in 2011 and buried and burned at a park all us teens pretty much went to , to turn up Her name was yashawnee Vaughn from Portland Oregon If you can’t find any thing on this case please let me know
This is from the place I was born and where I spent my summers and where most of my family is. The law enforcement there is awful, there is so much trafficking and MMIW cases there because it's on the border of several Navajo nation reservations, including the big one. They care more about harassing homeless and drunks than they care about the big cases. And they don't even try to help the homeless and addicted, just throw em in jail and release em later. I wish they would help more, or get more help from outside sources but a lot of the missing people's cases get brushed off as "runaways" or they don't care bc of the substance abuse. Even when families have an idea of who it might be or what might've happened. I really hope someday that little town gets better. I remember going there as a kid and I loved how I could just run around outside (even by the jail) and have fun without worry but it's just a mess there now and LEOs don't even try anymore. :/
Also, around there, kids staying home alone and taking care of their siblings is pretty common. I did it (without anyone to take care of) myself but I never would open the door for ANYONE except my parents. The same went for the other kids I knew who stayed home by themselves.
And another thing, it's pretty commonplace for relatives to show up at your house at all hours (not my experience but my family's, for sure) looking for their parents or a place to crash until they can go home.
I don't think it was uncle Joe but I think "Joe" knew Joe as they said in the video, and they knew with the incompetence of Gallup PD so they took the chance to take her and traffic her. I don't think the mom is involved, but the dad, I would believe it. It happens more often than not there. :/ Not particularly the dad but the S/O of the victim's parent or a friend of the victim's parent. The mom just made shit friends and it put her kids in danger and ended up with her daughter kidnapped. It's a shame that this isn't uncommon to hear of in Gallup, and reservations and the surrounding areas in general.
Unfortunately, in most of this cases they are not missing, they are being forced into prostitution, especially when it's about a young girl/woman. I really hope I'm wrong, but the chances of her actually making it to 39 are very low.
@@agent_ninety9 Exactly what I thought, especially with the mother not panicking the moment she saw her daughter was not in the home and the whole "they won't harm her". Idk maybe is because I have a very overprotective mother but she would be freaking the fuck out and tracing that phone call like a bloodhound.
@@lucamp1 It honestly could be part maternal instincts picking it up. The lack of emotion etc just doesn't settle right with me either. Sometimes I think the most simplest scenario is usually the most likely. And some stranger coming to their door out of nowhere is more unlikely than this being set up and the mother conveniently not home that night. It's it's something like one in six missing children were victims of sex trafficking. It's becoming an epidemic. I just recently heard a story where a woman was approached with her daughter in Texas and offered $500,000 for her little girl at the cash register. It's really sick and sad and is taking the place of pushing drugs they are now pushing people. It needs way more recognition!!!
@@lucamp1 Yes! Super insane. I haven't looked to see if the woman was apprehended but I believe that she was caught because there was a picture showing of her. Yes people are becoming more brazen and bold when it comes to the situation it's terrifying. I don't have children myself because I couldn't have children but I have nieces that I worry about constantly. I couldn't imagine mothers and how they worry it's just so frightening! 😳🙏
I remember hearing about this when I was younger. The information we have is so disjointed I can't help but think the family is covering up what really happened.
The mom talking to her till 3 am when she had school in a few hours was kinda interesting. Like my mom has done that sometimes but usually makes a point to go to sleep for school tomorrow. The fact she was then kidnapped that same hour makes you think what she was talking to her about. The mom could have been telling her something like, your tio will be here soon for something please open the door for him, who knows The screen door thing being opened and the dad pointing out this meant she knew the person which is why she opened it is also interesting. It’s also possible though that she didn’t really look and just assumed since they said they were their tio or Tia Not telling police about people recently going in and out of their house though is extremely sus. You don’t leave that information out, especially when it’s assumed someone in the family, is the one who kidnapped her. You just don’t fucking do that without looking suspicious as fuck protecting those people. And did she ever say who or why these people were going in and out her house? Cause it freaking sounds like men going in to check out the “merchandise”
Even if a polygraph test did occur and Penny failed it, that doesn't really mean anything. Polygraphs are so unreliable they're inadmissible as court evidence. It's incredibly easy to fail them simply by being stressed out in the wrong ways. Also, as a Latine American myself, I have to say that relying on "street people" rather than the police to help with a case like this doesn't particularly set off alarm bells. A lot of communities of color are left to themselves to solve crimes like this because the police are more invested in putting people from these community in jail for non-issues than helping them with things like finding missing children. And a lot of cops are just generally bad at their jobs. :/
polygraphs are also notoriously easy to pass if you know how to pass them, which also is why they shouldnt be trusted. it you simply clench your buttcheeks together, your chances of passing one are way higher, which also shows how they are unreliable, and i think people who put too much faith into them should read up on WHY they shouldnt be so heavily leaned on as evidence
@@FlorSilvestre12 😋 it was illegal at the time or they sold it without a license in a place where you need one to do so. Many of the people you are speaking about with your poor example have also been freed. I guess don't break the law and dont hang around people or groups that are criminals and you'll stay out of prison. I'm African American and have only been talked to by the police once in my entire life. I was polite and they were as well. My family isn't like those people you see on the show Cops or on the news, so we don't know or talk to any criminals and the police never bother us.
I literally lived next door when I was a child I was about 3 or 4…I played with Wendy and sady growing up. I do remember people coming in and out of that house (partying) supposedly Penny confess what happened on her death bed.
Wow Louisa I knew her too, she would walk up to me and smile and wave. She walked by my house everyday and we saw her at church. This was all such a sad thing. It's so weird to see my home town and this case that really affected my life. We couldn't go anywhere or stay home alone for a long time after this.
to be frank a lot of people in the comments are reaching. just because a mother doesn't immediately panic and seems sedate during a later interview, that doesn’t mean she killed her child. plus if she *did* panic, just as many people would claim she was acting. some people just internalize their emotions, or even self-medicate in an attempt to appear composed. i don't even think her comments about the kidnappers were that weird, for all we know it could've been a "if i appeal to the kidnappers' kindness maybe they'll let her go" kind of thing, it was attempted before such as in the mr. cruel case and its worth noting that in small town trailer parks, people are familiar enough with each other and pop over to each other's homes all the time. us kids did that too, and that was in the early 2000s; i imagine the rules were even looser in the 1980s. so personally, i understand her mother checking for her at the neighbors' homes before calling the cops. i will say its never a good idea for a 10 year old to be babysitting a 7 and 5 year old alone at night. i never understood why people in the 1980s were totally fine with leaving tweens in charge of their smaller children, but whatever, it happened, and wasn't unique to them. it happened a lot, especially if the parents were only going to be gone for a couple hours *at most,* you could say penny was an irresponsible mother, but that doesn't mean she let her daughter be molested or sold her into trafficking for fuck's sake, nor did it mean she didn't care about her daughter. just a lot of reasons people think penny was involved are based in rumors and speculation
I mean, this is the aftermath of the satanic panic/stranger danger era. Unless you look at the statistics and the reality of kidnappings or missing persons cases, it's easy to just go with what everyone else is saying. I don't disagree with you at all, I just think the reaching is expected.
Mothers, particularly, can't win when something happens to their children. If they're calm, they're psychopaths who killed their children. If they freak out, they're irrational and angry therefore they must have killed their children. The worst are the people who immediately accuse them of trafficking their kids. You better have a load of evidence and not just your bitter mind before making those kind of accusations.
It is a really common emotional response ftr. No body, pre-amber alert but even with kid had been missing for a long time so no real chance of finding them, the common response is actually to think somebody is taking care of them. It is inherited primate behavior were stealing kids is very common. Another weird consequence of this is that if they had found her daughter later, mom would have likely been like nah not my kid. Maternal instinct is very weirdly based on subconcious vibes.
i wish the waitress had called the police while they were still there eating, based on the weirdness of the constant fork dropping and hand grabbing. even if it came to nothing, at least she would KNOW
Yeah I feel like that's a huge thing to just ignore? Especially the way the girl was described to have grabbed the waitresses hand and looked into her eyes. I'd hate to think if I were ever in a situation where I needed help in public that the only person who could help me was ignoring big red flags. Usually women are quite good on picking up little facial expressions too :(
The first 24 hours in a missing persons case, especially for a child, are the most important. For then to really put it off really speaks about how law enforcement was lazy and uncaring back then. Even now too.
Nobody knew that then. That concept in criminology wasn't theorized until the early-mid '90s. Cases like this were part of the material that formed it.
@@dsnodgrass4843 I don't think it takes a genius or statistician to figure out that the sooner you can start a search the better the chances of finding someone unharmed are. Even if this took place during the renaissance era I feel like that should be pretty obvious.
@@AshlynOneWhat seems obvious now was not then, because no one had done the hard, correlative work yet to make such concepts apparent. It's easy to sit here in 2022, surrounded by all this surveillance technology, and judge; but these cases were far more difficult in terms of finding clues before the 1990s, and such clues and tips as there might've been often took days or even weeks to be happened upon. The "48 hour rule" took years of study of often spottily-documented cases, both successful and unsuccessful, to arrive at, and the scientific approach to police work we now take for granted wasn't a thing much until the early to mid-1990s. Any person over 50 can recall the time when police work was more "art" than "science", it only seems further away than it actually was.
@@dsnodgrass4843 I think you're greatly underestimating common sense. Sure, they wouldn't have had statistics and the math to know the exact time frame but people before Newton still knew not to jump off of tall things because it didn't end well. I know they couldn't have known it was exactly 48 hours but I don't believe that someone could hear a child is missing and not think "We should act as soon as possible." That's a great vast jump from needing any form of math or research.
Caleigh Elise cover this one a while back (when her channel was still up) and apparently the phone call was in question because "Anthonette" misprounced her own last name.
every time reignbot posts, I'm reminded how much I enjoy their UA-cam. it's so refreshing to get a cohesive story, going into as much detail as one can & still being able to understand all of it. thank you!
Unfortunately it's possible even "potential captors being close enough to the family to know who uncle Joe is" isn't a lead, because a captor could have asked leading questions or the kids could have accidentally mentioned the name of the uncle upon being told "open up, it's your aunt and uncle" Given how unhelpful it's been as a lead, it wouldn't surprise me if it really isn't one.
I saw another story recently where a stranger in a car pulled up to a young person and said "it's me! Your uncle! Wow it's been so long you look so different! Hop in I'll drive you home!" Or something like that. The young person wasn't THAT young either, hard to imagine they'd fall for it, but the "uncle" still tried it
Could you make a video about the disappearance and murder of Cedrika Provenche that happened in Trois-Riviere, Quebec back in 2007? Or perhaps the disappearance of Paolo Renda?
I’m so mad that the police really didn’t seem to care that this child was a victim of kidnapping and didn’t even try to do anything right away. Then I remember that Anthonette is/was a non-white child. And it makes it even more infuriating.
@SlushyBoxx How delusional do you have to be to think pointing out that non-white children are treated as less-than is racist towards white people? It's a fact that police take cases where the victim is white more seriously
This was standard operating procedure in the 70s up until I was a teenager in the mid 90s. This policy has THANKFULLY basically been totally eradicated nationwide. While the time period does also leave one to believe it could be racism (80-90s racism was more 'open' than it is now), the likely answer is this was simple the standard, thankfully its not anymore, the standard is, we look, now, not tomorrow. So while it is so frustrating to hear in modern times, it is simply how it worked at the time. It likely wasn't race related, but I of course cannot do anything but speculate. The officers were operating under nationwide police standards for the time period. Does it still suck for all the people we lost to that stupid ass policy? No, but the policy existed for reasonable reasons, despite its obviously flawed functionality.
Anthonette's story makes me want to cry, my god. I'd read about her long before, but never watched a video or heard that 911 call. My heart breaks for that poor little girl...Forensic tech has advanced so much since the 90s, so I deeply deeply hope something new turns up, and Anthonette's family can get closure
This throws up a few red flags for me. Who comes home from a night out and stays up with their 9 yo until 3am? And why is a 9 yo awake and answering the door at 3am? And who goes to bed leaving their child awake and out of bed? If I had kids I would teach them to never answer the door to strange people, especially in the middle of the night. But the worst one is how did these people know that that particular house had young girls living there and how did they know that one of them would answer the door? It’s kinda like they knew where they were going. Was the mum involved with the wrong people? Did she do something that would warrant a late night visit from these people? There’s just too many unanswered questions for me.
TheMrCaptainStfu That makes sense to me, another comment said the mother got a Corvette a few days later. They had money problems how else would she afford a car like that?
@@WickedPhase At present the car claim isn't well substantiated. I wouldn't put too much stock in that unless we get some solid proof other than some dude on the net said so. I am on board with yah guys tho, something is SOOOOO fucking weird about it all. SOMETHING happened that isn't the story we've been given. My guess is, she was a drug dealer, prostituting herself, or had some other shady thing going on, the mention of people being in and out constantly rings bells from my own childhood and how Ive seen some of my family member's operate their abode. If I had to guess, one of those guest and an accomplice or two took her, they would have the proximity to know all the info they needed to know to fit with the info we've been givin'; Knowing of an Uncle Joe, knowing girls were there to begin with, knowing it was only the girls home, and maybe even knew Penny was in an inebriated state, everything screams insider knowledge of the family and how the household functioned, and even people's schedules to get the target at the most vulnerable time possible. I agree with others too, Anthonette was likely the babysitter. Latchkey kids, hence the babysitter never being brought up or in. The cops let Penny slide with that most likely, I don't believe for a second, Penny said some shit like "Oh you guys cant talk to the babysitter" and the cops just went "Oh, ok".
I lived in Gallup NM when this kidnapping happened. my mother interviewed Anthonette's sister for the news. always wondered what happened to Anthonette.
Lie detectors are not proof of lies. They're proof of anxiety. And of course a mother is going to be anxious and sweating especially when bringing up emotional memories. I don't think the mother is involved. The reasons given are so lackluster.
It sounds like the mother either was already abusing her or allowing abuse, or sold her. The mother knows what happened and it’s very possible that she’s involved as well.
There was a source I read, it said the the family was having money trouble so they didn't have much. But days later the mom pulled up in a sports car. The neighbors were concerned and told the police but they didn't do anything about it
This case is interesting and I have been following it for years, the older people here who know may remember some of this stuff better than me. Here is some additional fuel for the rumors: There is two different versions of the unsolved mysteries segment. The original long version and the shorter version ran in syndication. The longer version which wasn't used in reruns is on one of the old vhs rip collections that was being traded on the internet back in the early 00s. Also, there used to be forums in the late 90s and early 2000s where people who claimed to be associated with the family posted comments on the incident. If I remember correctly there was known history of abuse of the poor girl. Her home was known as a hangout spot where often many strangers would show up to the parties. There was a big fight or scandal, some sort of drama at her home either the night before or the day she went missing. The reason why the mother didn't say who it was is supposedly because she was sure she would get her back without exposing herself of whatever shady stuff she was in to. There is so much more I can't remember but it was all just text on forums. All or some of it could have been made up obviously. God bless her and her family.
My mom and I saw Antonette in the mid 90s being taken by what we thought was her family... hastily out of a Denny's restaurant just off I-94 near Waukesha Wisconsin!
"We decided that before we even knew what was going on or who we were talking to / looking for, there wasn't any evidence, so we took an extra day. That whole thing about the 'first 46 hours are the most important' are more like an 'at your own discretion' thing. They mean the first 48 hours of the search, not disappearance." - The cop who talked to the news about why they started so late
Is there any evidence that the police actually waited that long? I've seen so many departments come out and say that you need to report a missing person ASAP and that there's no actual rule about waiting any sort of time period before they're allowed to be declared missing and start searching.
It ultimately comes down to the discretion of the sheriff. If they want to forego any waiting period they can; it just comes down to if they want to or not.
It think it was the myth that you have to wait 24 hours to file a missing persons report that some police departments adopted, which is crazy for children because it gives whoever took them a head start in getting away and delaying help for the child. I wonder who came up with that ludicrous “law”.
Part of the confusion stems from the fact that police often don't bother to search for an adult or older teenager for awhile unless there's evidence a crime has occurred or if the person is vulnerable for some reason (often mental disability or illness). The police have to preform a balancing act between deciding who is truly missing and someone who just didn't show up somewhere for whatever reason. Older teenagers and adults can make decisions for themselves and may "go missing" of their own volition or because of unforseen (but not dangerous) circumstances. Almost all such "missing" people turn up eventually but on a few rare occasions they don't. The rare occasions are more notable in people's minds so they _seem_ much more common than they really are. This confirmation bias leads people to think if someone is "missing" the police should always do what they can to find that person. That's simply not possible.
I do think it's very strange that nobody can seem to locate this supposed "babysitter" after all this time. Another thing I've noticed in many of these child abduction cases is that all of a sudden, all the friends and family and neighbors start acting weird and telling totally contradictory stories about the events: "Oh, I was out at a bar with my girlfriend..." "Oh, I was in the shower washing my hair..." "Oh, I was playing Tiddly-Winks with my dog..." NO. You *KNOW* what happened!! Stop lying, stop covering it up, stop protecting these evil, disgusting, criminal thugs, and REPORT THE TRUE CULPRITS!!!
Anthonette was likely the babysitter, and the police didnt care, they likely didnt see that as actionably relevant to the case unless they actually suspected Penny was involved, which, while im sure they considered it, they didnt seem very convinced.
I hate the use of “mental age” to refer to her aunt, and the ableism of the way she’s often talked about, but I’m glad this video mentioned her nonetheless. This whole case is so sad and so chilling that any and all awareness about it can only be a good thing.
Not trying to be offensive but genuinely curious, what's wrong the the mental age thing? I think it's a pretty fair way to convey how underdeveloped she was but that's just my opinion, I'm curious why you see that as wrong
Okay, how else are you supposed to explain that someone's brain function isn't normal? Call them r*tarded? It's not even like saying her diagnosis would help either, because A. A lot of diagnoses can have different levels of functionality that varies from person to person and B. Some brain injuries can reduce your brain function permanently even though they are technically "completely healed" injuries in the traditional sense. When you leave people with no right answer, they're going to go back to calling you r*tarded because it's easier than having to come up with a whole other euphemism just to engage with you constructively. You can't expect to be treated well by others while you simultaneously put every barrier you can think of to make it difficult for them.
@@sh1tler hey, no worries at all! The issue is that she isn’t underdeveloped - she’s a fully developed person and the whole idea that development is inherently tied to being abled is part of why disabled people are so at risk. It also leads to infantilisation, which can make disabled people feel like they don’t have the same strength of voice as their abled peers. So when we talk about people in terms of “mental age”, what we’re really doing is giving people a pass to treat them like children, and that’s a really dangerous thing to do because it disempowers people. x
@@natk4017 hey! There’s lots of words - disabled works well! Neurodivergent works too, if what this woman had was a neurodivergency. But disabled is a totally fine term and gets across the point that this person might have a different way of functioning in some areas. x
@@booksandbrains3930 Yeah there's just a big problem with neurological people being uncomfortable with the term "disabled" for some reason. Sorry if I came off brash, just have strong opinions because my partner is neurodivergent
Thank you for the new upload just as I'm about to sleep haha, I listen to your videos while trying to sleep. Not because you're boring! It just helps for some reason 😂 So do audiobooks. Love your content! Hope you are well
God she had so many chances for her to be rescued but they all failed, that must’ve taken such a toll on her
My thoughts exactly. She fought for her life. I hope she is still alive and escapes somehow.
@@douglasfneves she suffered n died never ever going to be found, this is the reality we live in, a cold n sick world
@@John_doe627 You must be really fun at parties, huh?
I think the same, her family is gone. She’s probably alive but just doesn’t see the point in being found anymore. Very sad still. I’m sure she is just so hurt from her awful experiences. Hopefully she’s either passed and with God or alive and doing better than she was in her younger years.
@@liraaell it’s true tho face it, u enjoy living good until u lose something close to u, this world is good but there evil and wickedness u never seen before and I could tell u ain’t ready for that reality
Don't question the girls sibling witnessing her abduction, then going back to sleep.
This is not the first case I've heard of, where children around age 4-6 witnessed an abduction, and went back to sleep because their naive brains don't understand the gravity of what's happening, or they are scared. This is exactly what happened in the 1984 case of Jessica Gutierrez, where her younger sister witnessed the abduction, and was scared and tired, and fell back asleep after the abduction
On a far darker note, if children are being regularly abused, then they might not find it strange that someone comes into their room at night, and takes their sibling away.
It's disturbing to think about, but children are naive, and if they are raised in an abusive or molesting home, they may not find an adult in their room, in the middle of the night, to be alarming, because to them, it is normal.
They simply don't know what is right and wrong, and abusers take advantage of that.
Yeah, you really can't judge the actions of children in traumatising situations like that. Elizabeth Smarts little sister Mary Katherine was so scared she pretended to be asleep until she was 100% sure the abductor was out of the house, two hours later. Kids really can't be held responsible for their actions in situations like that
we should 100% question it. It could entirely be true but to just blindly believe it is moronic.
@@lollol9772 couldn't agree more, mom was a drunk, I'm sure she was pr*stituting those girls to pay for her party habits and finally one didn't return. Either that or she outright sold her into s*x sl*very. Mother is guilty somehow, pretty sure everyone feels that way though.
Also Elizabeth Smart's sister, who was in the same room as her sister during her abduction, stayed in her bed for hours before alerting her parents about what had happened.
If it’s real or a hoax, that 911 call claiming to be Anthonette is so creepy. In all honesty, I feel like her mom had an idea of who or what happened but didn’t want to say - not sure why, but the way the details have been laid out, from what I’ve read over the years, her mom seemed to be calm or didn’t come off as worried. Though, not everyone reacts the way you’d think when their child goes missing, so I don’t know how she truly felt or what the family was feeling; it’s just really odd how she reacted to that 911 call, saying that the kidnappers don’t mean to harm her…like WTF?!!!? She had to have known something. Still, it’s terribly sad that her family will probably never know what happened to Anthonette.
In 1985, someone randomly read that article and got either a lil kid, a voice specialist , or someone with s unique voice to help make a frantic 911 call……Na. People need to wake up and realize that Police work in the US only started to be audited after racial misconduct through the late 80s to late 90s. Before that half the force was probably on their way to diabetic coma from Dunkin Donuts
It wasn't a call to 911, it was a call to a local police precinct. That is one reason some people consider the call to be fake/a hoax.
@@tonewopn8275 Its wasnt a 911 call. It was to a precinct which you had to have -2- extension numbers to get to.
@@tonewopn8275 nope police oversights a joke, just look at Ferguson or Missouri as a whole. The problem is endemic and police unions shield bad cops. There are plenty of reasons police work has improved decade after decade and I'd credit scientific and technological advances more than oversight. If there was such great oversight why do we still have unarmed people getting murdered by cops who are found not guilty and are rehired so they can pull full pensions? Progress has been made, but we are a far cry from where we need to be
I'm not confused about the mother's idea of the kidnappers not harming her at all. My mother loved our cats a whole lot. One day, the male disappeared and his sister remained until even today. She cried about his disappearance, but she's almost convinced that someone must have taken him in, because there wasn't any corpse found that could be our cat. She blamed it on his sweet demeanor, that "obviously someone must have taken him and is now taking good care of him!"
It's just so mind blowing to me that police could be informed "Hey, a child is missing" and be "Yeah, get back to us tomorrow"
And then be like "Well, it likely wouldn't have mattered anyway"
They could have at least had peoples original stories written down with less time for details to be forgotten and altered with misremembering.
Its important to remember that anthonette is/was a native girl. And its also important to remember that, even to this day, police really don't care about missing or murdered indigenous women and girls...
@@cau1471 Sadly true. Missing non-white kids do seem to provoke a lot less "gotta save them right now" reactions from those in power.
Meanwhile as a melinated person with nieces who are white and blonde, I'm afraid to be in public with them for fear I'll get someone thinking I'm kidnapping them.
What's mind blowing is that Reign is making money off tragedy. I mean, nice for her, but I wonder how the family feels, or would feel should they come across this. Especially once they hit the 2nd ad break and realized there is money being made off this. Pretty sad.
@@FinickyVoid stop watching true crime content then are you that dense?
@@FinickyVoid Considering how old this case is? I don't think Reign is particularly stepping on any toes here. Also, news networks and articles make money off of it as well, while often providing more false or downright offensive information, so i don't think Reign showing this case in a respectful and objective way is morally wrong. In a lot of ways she's spreading more awareness in a better way than clickbaity articles, though again this case is old, it's still open.
That phone call and her scream as the call ended abruptly is one of the most haunting things I've come across. This poor girl. I hope she finds peace wherever she might be right now.
I’m starting to think the call was just a cruel, cruel hoax. It seems in so many of these kidnapping cases, even ones from the early 1900s, there are people that play these kind of hoaxes. Something about the fact that we heard an adult in the background so clearly say, “who said you could be on the phone?,” sounds a little scripted to me. Regardless, I hope the FBI is wrong and that Anthonette is safe somewhere.
@@riggs20 What would a real abductor say, when catching his victim on the phone, please, enlighten us....
@@TedBundysGhost I was just sharing the feeling I get from the phone call. I could be wrong, it’s just an opinion. Why the attitude?
How can she find peace of she was kidnapped and held somewhere against her will smh u are ridiculous bro smh find peace my as
@@TedBundysGhost perhaps be quiet and take away the phone promptly?
Once again, we can blame alot on lack of proper communication and police incompetence.
Ya seriously shouldnt have to wait a day when an actual child goes missing overnight it's not like a little kid is going to go anywhere
An adult sure cause people do just leave sometime to go get drunk or sex still better safe then sorry tho cause the first day is the most important part rarely do they survive past that
@@RustyNips you don't have to wait 24h anymore for people under 18, that change happened after amber alerts came.
Police incompetence is the standard here. What are you talking about?
this was back before amber alerts, which is why a lot of people still think you have to wait a certain time to file a police report.
And the family being unhelpful and stupid
The waitress thing made me so mad. She easily could have been saved. Breaks my heart
Right??? Like come on why didn’t they do something
@@gfyGoogle you know doing a self righteous things can back fire to you. one thing i learned in life is better to mind your own business
@@happysatanproduction8854not with children though. I’m childfree but I would totally take a minute to call the police and say what’s going on if a child looked scared and tried to contact me multiple times. There are like 30 people in the restaurant the criminal wouldn’t know who exactly did it.
@@happysatanproduction8854 That's exactly the kind of attitude that leads to so many problems in the world.
"Hm I could potentially help this poor person... But it might inconvenience me so nevermind"
@@dmaxwell910901 you may think your comment is so selfless but its actually the opposite. how can you be so selfish demanding the people to help someone when there is a chance that can risk their own lives. even a tiny chance is not worth the risk. if you want to be a hero then go ahead and wear your cape. but dont tell us to go risk our lives
These stories from the 80s and 90s always have a creepier vibe.
@DreSaidSo It was worse back then because you didn't have networking and social media in the sense that we do now. Cell phones weren't really a thing unless you were super wealthy, and police systems were not nearly as advanced as they become. Sadly, that made it exponentially easier for someone to literally get lost in the shuffle... so yeah, those were definitely scarier times.
These one hour showers from the 202x's always have a creepy vibe.
The 70s also has that creepy vibe if not more.
70’s and 80’s there were so many missing children and being a kid back then had me scared to death!!!
Am pretty sure it's because of the grainy quality of that time.
It does for our times what sepia tone and black and white did for grainy quality peoples in their time.
Every time they say the attitude the child had before everything bad happened it breaks my heart, because they were sweet and loving even caring. How can someone take away an innocent child from their families? These are monsters.
Oh that phone call hurt. Real or fake, the "who told you you could use the phone?" Is terrifying.
Thank you for raising awareness for this case. I live in Gallup and the case haunts the town. Missing Indigenous women and girl cases are not taken seruously. Thank you
Her mother was out at a bar, with friends. Apparently there were people comin in an outta the house all night. Thats why she opened the door. I blame the mom on this one. She knew more than she lead to believe. This story breaks my heart.
I had a quick thought that she could have possibly sold her daughter. She obviously didn't care.
isnt this almost the exact same scenario that got maddeline McCann kidnapped? for sure sold their own duaghters
Unfortunately, the mother was probably allowing her daughter to be molested, and therefore it wasn't so odd to her or the children, that people were coming and going.
@@ironhanssmithy I don't think this is the same
After hearing the McCann case, I speculate the parents were dosing their kids with xanex or a similar drug, to make them sleep, so they could entertain their drinking habits with friends.
The parents probably accidentally double dosed Madeline, caused her to overdose, then, covered up the crime by claiming abduction.
Otherwise, there have been some suspects arrested who may have actually stranger abducted her. There is one man who is in custody now, who is a serial child molester, who was in the area at the time, and is currently under investigation.
So no, they may not have sold their kids, but they may have been exploiting them, in a criminal manner, then panicked and tried to cover their asses.
I feel that is more probable, especially in Madeline's case, where the parents are doctors, on holiday. And the investigators probably judged them on outward appearance, assuming cause they were doctors, they were honest and responsible
But they were probably wrong.
@@ironhanssmithy No. McCans parents were doctors, meaning not financially destitute like Cayaditto's mom. She was also a drunk. The people coming in and out of McCans were friends, the people coming out of the Cayedito house were strange drunks from the bar. Don't get me wrong I totally believe McCans parents are responsible, they just didn't sell her. It was just neglect. They made 6 figure incomes, yearly. A kid wouldn't get more than 10k. 10k means allot more to a unemployed barfly drunk than it does to someone who earns that basically in a month.
Cayedito's disappearance has always stuck with me. It's so sad that after 35 years Anthonette hasn't come forward or her body hasn't been found.
I wouldn't be surprised if Anthonette was the babysitter of her two younger siblings. It's pretty common, especially in Hispanic families, to have the oldest look after the younger siblings. I don't think Penny was involved, but I do think she knew more than she ever told police before her death. This is just my speculation, but I think Penny lied about the babysitter and probably other things so she didn't have her two daughters taken away by CPS. After all, Anthonette was only 9 when she disappeared and if the police found out she'd probably (temporarily) lose custody of her other two daughters.
It would explain why there was never any babysitter named. And also why Penny didn't think her daughter was missing until the next morning. I really don't have anything to back this up and considering Penny passed away in the 90s I don't think we'll really ever get closure on her part of the story.
I just hope that, with the advancement of forensics and people that keep this story alive, her family will one day have closure.
The thing that stood out to me is supposedly Penny, after she got back from her date, stayed up till 3 am talking to Anthonette. If she was the babysitter, that might make sense, especially if one or both of the siblings were sick or had issues. Otherwise she's nine, why would Penny keep one of her daughters up so late?
My sister was about 7 or 8, I was a year younger and my brother 2 years younger than me when we were left alone. Latchkey children were common in the 80’s and 90’s. My older sister would watch us all the time and she was 7 or 8. All the families did this in the complex I grew up in. This wasn’t unusual and I can only remember having an actual babysitter twice and it was my older cousin. She was watching us for a three nights. Anthonette would definitely have been considered old enough to watch her siblings alone well into the night where I grew up.
@@juliemassam933 This struck me as strange also. I can understand for an hour or so…but until 3am?? That’s.. I dunno. That’s strange to me.
@@cs2922 yeah exactly the first thing that came to my mind was why stay so late with your 9 year old daughter then go to sleep and somehow end up having your daughter answer the door late at night (my theory is that the mother might have been drunk and didnt come midnight but came home late at night possibly 3 and her daughter was still waiting for her)
The police should’ve pushed on that note! They are just the worst
Thank you for covering this case, Reign. It is one of the most baffling mysteries to me, even after having read a lot about it. I suspect she was either trafficked or kidnapped by someone in the community, based on the "Uncle Joe" ruse, but of course I can't be certain. I do wonder whether or not her mother was involved too, but it's probably too late to determine that.
I live in New Mexico and remember this case. The mother received a nice Corvette right around the time her daughter disappeared and no one could explain where it came from
she could have got money as a sort of gift, when my father died I do know my mum got alot of money from other family and friends. that is suspicious though because her family isn't very large.
Looks bad, means nothing
@@no_peace to say it means nothing is pretty stupid
i don’t know what mother who would prioritize buying over searching for her missing daughter. She clearly was a careless mother.
Her mom was behind the kidnapping.. she took that to the grave with her..
FYI regarding Audible: They only let you return a few books before they make you ask permission, where they ASK YOU QUESTIONS. "No questions asked" is horseshit.
God, that phone call had me in tears. Real or not, the fright in that child's voice, and that scream... goddamn gutwrenching. Truly heartbreaking.
That call was real no way it was faked.
I literally spent almost all night thinking about this case. It's scary and haunting.
"I don't think they meant to harm her." Idk, by her screams it kinda seems like they already have. If they hadn't harmed her yet I'm not sure she would have screamed quite that intensely.
The way the kidnappers called themselves aunt and uncle makes it seem-at least to me-as though this is the type of kidnapping fueled by mislead parental desperation. The type of people who kidnap children that aren’t theirs because they either can’t have children or had their children removed from their custody and still want kids. I don’t have a concrete reason why but it’s just giving me that vibe. It’s most likely just something they said to trick her into going with them but still.
Is there a precedent for that kinda thing happening in real life? No offense, it's just I've only ever heard of that kinda thing happening in movies and cheesy children's books.
@@CJCroen1393 I think if i remember correctly listening to a case a while back about a lady who attacked another pregnant lady and cut out her baby and kept it because she couldn’t have her own kid or something of the sort. If i can find it ill try to link it!
@@biblicallyaccurateaedra There are many cases of women stealing unborn children from wombs. I know of 2 cases. In one the mother of the child died in the other case the mother had survived.
@@CJCroen1393 There's a fair few. There's also some cases of people dressing up as cps to kidnap children as well.
@@CJCroen1393 I’ve heard of a few cases, none particularly famous or outstanding, but they can and have happened. I find the psychology behind that mindset intriguing though, which is why I mentioned it.
The waitress story is absolutely heartbreaking
Only reason she claims she had a babysitter is so she didn't look like a crappy mom.
Pore little one you were so pretty here on earth I can't imagine how beautiful you are now with your angel wings. 👼
How you know she is dead?
while i dont think the mom orchestrated it i do think she had a pattern of neglect that could've led to a shady acquaintance or family member taking advantage of that
Has anyone tried to identify the adult male voice on the phone call? Who shouts "Who said you could use the phone?" If the phone call is believed to be a credible lead, I would think that identifying the guy would be a natural thing to try and do.
I'm sure they have but if you think about that's a really tough thing to do. Where do you start? All you have is a "male voice" so we're talking millions and millions of people that it could possibly be.
@@BiggieTrismegistus you can narrow it down to a white man’s voice of southern descent just based on the pitch, intonation, and dialect…
@@wolfetteplays8894 Yeah and that's millions and millions of people.
@@BiggieTrismegistus but.
Thats how they get leads? Lol. Of course its millions of people.
@@aradiamegido2965 What? My point is that there's nowhere to start the search if no one comes forward to claiming to identify the voice. You can't just go up to millions of people and ask them to say "Who said you could use the phone?" in hopes of identifying him.
I remember seeing an old Cayleigh Elise video about this case, glad to see it's getting coverage again, it always stuck with me
I miss Cayleigh, I hope she's doing well
@@EVreznor me too!
I had to pause..... When the mother said that that was her daughters voice in the tape, I wouldn't say, "I don't think they mean to harm her"... I would be like who the fuck is that voice and how are we going to find this out, what suspicious and lack of care for your child... I understand she has 2 others and she most likely sold her daughter off with the way she is acting
I’ve thought about this-
Maybe it’s a (albeit, not very effective) tactic to appeal to them?
@@glugunner9719 or maybe she’s still living in denial…? Like that one Stephen king book, Misery, I think it was called. Or like HT!Toriel being perpetually stuck in delirium from being unable to cope with reality? Could be it
I agree with you. There is also the remote possibility that the mother knew EXACTLY whose voice it was (besides her daughter's voice), and either out of fear or intimidation, she never said anything, or it would be another daughter next (or even herself). The whole, 'they don't mean to harm her', thing might be an attempt to throw off the police (to save herself and her other 2 daughters). It's all a huge mess. I hope her Mom got her act together after this and left that rumoured "lifestyle" behind forever. Her girls deserved better and so did she.
She's saying what the cops tell her to.
Unrelated to the case but just something that was said:
"Her parents said she was very mature for her age."
I hate when people say that stuff, it's not a compliment and is just creepy as that kind of behavior is usually displayed by abused/mistreated kids, as they have to "grow up quicker" to deal with what they're going through.
Poor girl someone knows who took her,, it's crazy the waiter didn't see this girl was asking for help or thought something was wrong after dropping the utensils more than one time. I don't think she's alive anymore as she knew this people and if she's still alive who knows where she's @.
While I don't necessarily believe the mom had something to do with it, the mom DEFINITELY didn't hire a babysitter and left those kids home alone.
How do you know, she did not hire a babysitter
@@annemariemyburgh7252 how do we know she actually did? This babysitter has never been made public and why is that?
Exactly! She left those kids home alone which is probably another reason the little girl didn’t come forward with what she saw because why is a little girl answering the door and not the babysitter? Where’s this babysitter that was hired? I think anthonette was the one who was babysitting as she had to grow up fast
ok "reyenna"
@@anchorpoint3631 It's my ff14 name because most content I engage with is FF14 and it makes more sense to use that than it does to use my real name. It aint that deep.
I don't think the kidnappers killed her. My theory is that the kidnappers wanted a child of their own but couldn't so decided to take her or any of her sisters. They may have forced her to change her name and she probably goes about with that new name. Also, the kidnappers must've been close to the family if she opened the door for them and knew her Uncle Joe, and maybe knew of the mother's drinking to take advantage of.
I honestly hope this is the case rather than the idea she was sold into prostitution.
@@samgeorge1452 She most certainly was and it was def her mother who sold her. The phone call makes that situation very clear. If she was alive, she was being abused, period.
kidnapping inside the familly is also one of the more common kidnappings out there
and because it is familly the child might not have been under the impression that she was in danger
@@pumpkin8826 It's dubious and difficult to measure and calculate the motivations of "do-gooders"...
Look, I'm not about to shame someone involved in "animal rescue" operations, but if you watch them... ANY of them, you'll notice that there are just certain times they're just instantly fascinated by a certain animal. It's often unpredictable and not even the species or breed that they intentionally "specialize" in rescuing...
Now, this is ONLY an example to contemplate... BUT from the gal on "Pitbulls and Parolees" (for instance you can research)... She specializes in Pitbulls because she's had real experience and training, not just with large dog breeds, but with large animals and specifically large predators in her past... She specializes in Pitbulls particularly, but also takes in Rottweillers and "regular" American Bulldogs as a normal part of "the routine"... BUT from time to time, and for little or no rhyme or reason, she'll drop everything to go salvage a gang of rabbits... She's rescued a group of chickens and a flock of ducks with a couple geese included when they got them sorted out and sheltered... at least, long enough to find someone else with the resources to step in and take them... AND she regularly just goes after some other random dog or even a cat for no particular reason... other than it attracted her attention...
Now, in regards to abandoned livestock and pets (animals) and those abused cases that desperately NEED rescue, there's nothing wrong. I'm ONLY pointing out a pattern of psychological processing here. That's all... Many people have the personal intentions to get out and actually accomplish REAL and relevant good in the world on these "rescue missions", such as they are. I'd happily advocate for them, and have been an animal wrangler for rescues more than once, myself... both professional and volunteer.
BUT I've also watched and gotten to know "the type"... AND I've seen similarities in their psyche' or "persona" to other "do-gooders".
SO yeah, it's a strange case and all. At the same time, one of the peculiarities of people who fancy themselves to be rescuers is that from time to time they just get attracted to a certain situation, a certain person or animal or whatever "catches their eye"... AND they feel that they have to step in. There often isn't any other "reason" than "Ain't this so CUTE?!?!!!" or some similar... "Just so precious and sweet, we HAVE to do something!"
There doesn't seem to be a lot of rhyme or reason... AND the possible sighting in the diner in Carson City suggests she was alive even years later. That could smack of "half-assing" the brain-washing, or perhaps that it was clumsy enough to simply not be effective. At this point, it's impossible to say until something of "pure luck" trips the whole situation up and gets us (audience/amateurs/etc...) more information.
Finally... as cynical as I usually am by nature... I'm also NOT a cop or detective. THEY get paid and praised for being naturally suspicious and paranoid and pessimistic about people. They also suffer a great deal of psychological dysfunction for their training and experiences over careers in the field... SO for those of us who aren't, maybe it doesn't pay dividends to assume the worst in everyone and everything. Maybe a small group of do-gooders really thought they were rescuing Anthonette from a horrible situation, and maybe they'd have happily tried for the other two girls, but knew they simply didn't have the resources... Maybe there's just a little wiggle room left for indomitable hope. ;o)
@@pumpkin8826 If we're assuming the motive is accurate, they probably planned to take the first one to open the door.
More classic Reignbot pls. Great video. Really hope the lack of clues in this case isn't because she's indigenous/: those types of cases are mostly not at the top of the list of priorities which angers me, and is just tragic
Indigenous? She's Hispanic.
@@NXSProductions an article said her mom was native american. So that's where I got that from. If I'm somehow wrong then my bad
@indigo ahh thanks for informing me, I didn't know that
If i was them i would look more into "uncle joe". The fact whoever was at the door might have used that name AND she had to have open the screen door something aint right. Its also weird that her sister said 2 guys took her and Joe has a witness to his alibi. Because if she heard Uncle joe but SAW it wasn't him she wouldn't have opened the screen door.
That's the smartest observation I've read here!
Totally right. If she expected "Uncle Joe" and saw some other guy, she may (at least) have hesitated.
@@Saffron-sugarhe could say he’s from uncle Joe and her uncle is waiting in a car. She was 9 and it was 90-s so problaby she didn’t even know what danger it can cause
I would need to see the interviews to know whether people were holding stuff back. If any interviews are on tape from this case, they should be reanalyzed with newer analysis techniques. Great vid.
"Let's hope this year is better than previous"
Oh no....
It's 1000 times worse. :(
Why didn't the waitress immediately call the police after finding that note? It shouldn't matter if you think it's real or not, you should always do something.
@bodd boward good point! can't imagine what that situation would feel like. It would definitely stay with you.
I don't find the mothers subdued reaction strange, but I do find her comment about the kidnappers not wanting to harm her odd. I mean, the most likely answer is that it was just a mother desperately trying to soothe herself by convincing herself that they don't want to hurt her. When she heard that call, it was confirmed that she was taken and that some person(s) had her. Having that confirmed may have caused her to just reject the possibility that they meant harm. It also does make sense that if they did want to hurt her, they would have. Though, she didn't know for sure if they HAD hurt her daughter. All that said, it's just a weird comment. Honestly it seems unlikely we'll ever know the truth.
This is how I feel, too. I can understand that people are different, that not every parent would panic. But how could you speculate on something like that? Is she trying to have hope? If so, why say it publicly?
I remember this case so well it’s so sad so many missed chances to find her. There’s a case from my home town about a girl around my age at the time that was murdered by her boyfriend in 2011 and buried and burned at a park all us teens pretty much went to , to turn up Her name was yashawnee Vaughn from Portland Oregon If you can’t find any thing on this case please let me know
I remember her picture :(
I lived near there but I’ve never heard of her, can you link something about the case? I would like to know.
This is from the place I was born and where I spent my summers and where most of my family is. The law enforcement there is awful, there is so much trafficking and MMIW cases there because it's on the border of several Navajo nation reservations, including the big one. They care more about harassing homeless and drunks than they care about the big cases. And they don't even try to help the homeless and addicted, just throw em in jail and release em later. I wish they would help more, or get more help from outside sources but a lot of the missing people's cases get brushed off as "runaways" or they don't care bc of the substance abuse. Even when families have an idea of who it might be or what might've happened.
I really hope someday that little town gets better. I remember going there as a kid and I loved how I could just run around outside (even by the jail) and have fun without worry but it's just a mess there now and LEOs don't even try anymore. :/
Also, around there, kids staying home alone and taking care of their siblings is pretty common. I did it (without anyone to take care of) myself but I never would open the door for ANYONE except my parents. The same went for the other kids I knew who stayed home by themselves.
And another thing, it's pretty commonplace for relatives to show up at your house at all hours (not my experience but my family's, for sure) looking for their parents or a place to crash until they can go home.
I don't think it was uncle Joe but I think "Joe" knew Joe as they said in the video, and they knew with the incompetence of Gallup PD so they took the chance to take her and traffic her. I don't think the mom is involved, but the dad, I would believe it. It happens more often than not there. :/ Not particularly the dad but the S/O of the victim's parent or a friend of the victim's parent. The mom just made shit friends and it put her kids in danger and ended up with her daughter kidnapped. It's a shame that this isn't uncommon to hear of in Gallup, and reservations and the surrounding areas in general.
I remember this case and always thought the mother was sus
Unfortunately, in most of this cases they are not missing, they are being forced into prostitution, especially when it's about a young girl/woman.
I really hope I'm wrong, but the chances of her actually making it to 39 are very low.
Familial trafficking. It's so prevelent even in the states I don't think people realize it, sadly.
@@agent_ninety9 Exactly what I thought, especially with the mother not panicking the moment she saw her daughter was not in the home and the whole "they won't harm her".
Idk maybe is because I have a very overprotective mother but she would be freaking the fuck out and tracing that phone call like a bloodhound.
@@lucamp1 It honestly could be part maternal instincts picking it up. The lack of emotion etc just doesn't settle right with me either. Sometimes I think the most simplest scenario is usually the most likely. And some stranger coming to their door out of nowhere is more unlikely than this being set up and the mother conveniently not home that night. It's it's something like one in six missing children were victims of sex trafficking. It's becoming an epidemic. I just recently heard a story where a woman was approached with her daughter in Texas and offered $500,000 for her little girl at the cash register. It's really sick and sad and is taking the place of pushing drugs they are now pushing people. It needs way more recognition!!!
@@agent_ninety9 that is literally insane, and the fact that they are getting so bold just shows how untouchable some of these people are.
@@lucamp1 Yes! Super insane. I haven't looked to see if the woman was apprehended but I believe that she was caught because there was a picture showing of her. Yes people are becoming more brazen and bold when it comes to the situation it's terrifying. I don't have children myself because I couldn't have children but I have nieces that I worry about constantly. I couldn't imagine mothers and how they worry it's just so frightening! 😳🙏
I remember hearing about this when I was younger. The information we have is so disjointed I can't help but think the family is covering up what really happened.
The mom talking to her till 3 am when she had school in a few hours was kinda interesting. Like my mom has done that sometimes but usually makes a point to go to sleep for school tomorrow. The fact she was then kidnapped that same hour makes you think what she was talking to her about. The mom could have been telling her something like, your tio will be here soon for something please open the door for him, who knows
The screen door thing being opened and the dad pointing out this meant she knew the person which is why she opened it is also interesting. It’s also possible though that she didn’t really look and just assumed since they said they were their tio or Tia
Not telling police about people recently going in and out of their house though is extremely sus. You don’t leave that information out, especially when it’s assumed someone in the family, is the one who kidnapped her. You just don’t fucking do that without looking suspicious as fuck protecting those people. And did she ever say who or why these people were going in and out her house? Cause it freaking sounds like men going in to check out the “merchandise”
Penny and Antonette are (were?) Navajo
Even if a polygraph test did occur and Penny failed it, that doesn't really mean anything. Polygraphs are so unreliable they're inadmissible as court evidence. It's incredibly easy to fail them simply by being stressed out in the wrong ways.
Also, as a Latine American myself, I have to say that relying on "street people" rather than the police to help with a case like this doesn't particularly set off alarm bells. A lot of communities of color are left to themselves to solve crimes like this because the police are more invested in putting people from these community in jail for non-issues than helping them with things like finding missing children. And a lot of cops are just generally bad at their jobs. :/
polygraphs are also notoriously easy to pass if you know how to pass them, which also is why they shouldnt be trusted. it you simply clench your buttcheeks together, your chances of passing one are way higher, which also shows how they are unreliable, and i think people who put too much faith into them should read up on WHY they shouldnt be so heavily leaned on as evidence
For "non-issues" LOOOOL
@@SpinelessVermin What exactly do you consider imprisoning people over a drug that is now legally sold in dispensaries
@@FlorSilvestre12 😋 it was illegal at the time or they sold it without a license in a place where you need one to do so. Many of the people you are speaking about with your poor example have also been freed. I guess don't break the law and dont hang around people or groups that are criminals and you'll stay out of prison. I'm African American and have only been talked to by the police once in my entire life. I was polite and they were as well. My family isn't like those people you see on the show Cops or on the news, so we don't know or talk to any criminals and the police never bother us.
@@SpinelessVermin "Don't break the law and you'll stay out of prison" is an interesting thing to say to a queer person.
been watching reignbot since 2k. really crazy how all the old youtubers now have millions of subs
Same..
I literally lived next door when I was a child I was about 3 or 4…I played with Wendy and sady growing up. I do remember people coming in and out of that house (partying) supposedly Penny confess what happened on her death bed.
That phone call gave me chills
Wow Louisa I knew her too, she would walk up to me and smile and wave. She walked by my house everyday and we saw her at church. This was all such a sad thing. It's so weird to see my home town and this case that really affected my life. We couldn't go anywhere or stay home alone for a long time after this.
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it's so scary watching these videos at night but night is the only time I have to watch them lmao
Stories older than 15 years always creep me out.
to be frank a lot of people in the comments are reaching. just because a mother doesn't immediately panic and seems sedate during a later interview, that doesn’t mean she killed her child. plus if she *did* panic, just as many people would claim she was acting. some people just internalize their emotions, or even self-medicate in an attempt to appear composed. i don't even think her comments about the kidnappers were that weird, for all we know it could've been a "if i appeal to the kidnappers' kindness maybe they'll let her go" kind of thing, it was attempted before such as in the mr. cruel case
and its worth noting that in small town trailer parks, people are familiar enough with each other and pop over to each other's homes all the time. us kids did that too, and that was in the early 2000s; i imagine the rules were even looser in the 1980s. so personally, i understand her mother checking for her at the neighbors' homes before calling the cops. i will say its never a good idea for a 10 year old to be babysitting a 7 and 5 year old alone at night. i never understood why people in the 1980s were totally fine with leaving tweens in charge of their smaller children, but whatever, it happened, and wasn't unique to them. it happened a lot, especially if the parents were only going to be gone for a couple hours
*at most,* you could say penny was an irresponsible mother, but that doesn't mean she let her daughter be molested or sold her into trafficking for fuck's sake, nor did it mean she didn't care about her daughter. just a lot of reasons people think penny was involved are based in rumors and speculation
I mean, this is the aftermath of the satanic panic/stranger danger era. Unless you look at the statistics and the reality of kidnappings or missing persons cases, it's easy to just go with what everyone else is saying. I don't disagree with you at all, I just think the reaching is expected.
Mothers, particularly, can't win when something happens to their children. If they're calm, they're psychopaths who killed their children. If they freak out, they're irrational and angry therefore they must have killed their children. The worst are the people who immediately accuse them of trafficking their kids. You better have a load of evidence and not just your bitter mind before making those kind of accusations.
@@luxuscarnage4828 that's not even getting into the factual statistics that run counter to the whole "mothers always win custody battles" myth
It is a really common emotional response ftr. No body, pre-amber alert but even with kid had been missing for a long time so no real chance of finding them, the common response is actually to think somebody is taking care of them. It is inherited primate behavior were stealing kids is very common. Another weird consequence of this is that if they had found her daughter later, mom would have likely been like nah not my kid. Maternal instinct is very weirdly based on subconcious vibes.
Gee I wonder if there are any unspoken reasons why everyone is so fixated on making a Latina woman out to secretly be an unfit mother/evil criminal 🤔
Re: the recording, I've always heard the second voice described as male, but it doesn't sound like a male voice to me.
To me sounds like a women who eerily sound a little like the the moms voice.
definitely sounded like a lady to me as well.
I was still there at the end because I always wait to hear Zimbledorf the calzone consumer before clicking off the video.
i wish the waitress had called the police while they were still there eating, based on the weirdness of the constant fork dropping and hand grabbing. even if it came to nothing, at least she would KNOW
Yeah I feel like that's a huge thing to just ignore? Especially the way the girl was described to have grabbed the waitresses hand and looked into her eyes. I'd hate to think if I were ever in a situation where I needed help in public that the only person who could help me was ignoring big red flags. Usually women are quite good on picking up little facial expressions too :(
The first 24 hours in a missing persons case, especially for a child, are the most important. For then to really put it off really speaks about how law enforcement was lazy and uncaring back then. Even now too.
Before you even mentioned human trafficking, it's instantly what I thought.
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"A child is missing" "We'll get back to you in 8 hours." What?
The first 48 hours are incredibly important in missing persons' cases. What the fuck?
different times
Nobody knew that then. That concept in criminology wasn't theorized until the early-mid '90s. Cases like this were part of the material that formed it.
@@dsnodgrass4843 I don't think it takes a genius or statistician to figure out that the sooner you can start a search the better the chances of finding someone unharmed are. Even if this took place during the renaissance era I feel like that should be pretty obvious.
@@AshlynOneWhat seems obvious now was not then, because no one had done the hard, correlative work yet to make such concepts apparent. It's easy to sit here in 2022, surrounded by all this surveillance technology, and judge; but these cases were far more difficult in terms of finding clues before the 1990s, and such clues and tips as there might've been often took days or even weeks to be happened upon. The "48 hour rule" took years of study of often spottily-documented cases, both successful and unsuccessful, to arrive at, and the scientific approach to police work we now take for granted wasn't a thing much until the early to mid-1990s. Any person over 50 can recall the time when police work was more "art" than "science", it only seems further away than it actually was.
@@dsnodgrass4843 I think you're greatly underestimating common sense. Sure, they wouldn't have had statistics and the math to know the exact time frame but people before Newton still knew not to jump off of tall things because it didn't end well.
I know they couldn't have known it was exactly 48 hours but I don't believe that someone could hear a child is missing and not think "We should act as soon as possible." That's a great vast jump from needing any form of math or research.
Man I think the mom sold her. That’s my theory.
There’s no evidence for this.
This one always freaked me out because I looked exactly like her as a child. Living in New Mexico. In the 90s lol.
Might be worth a DNA test lol
it was the 80s, so you're good
The mother had to have done something, there's not enough evidence but the narrative just sort of falls together in some ways if she did
It's obvious she knows at least.
@@st4t253 she’s deceased so nobody knows but her and Anthonette obviously.
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Don't worry, she wants that money!
13:05 now that's a pretty Y I K E S headline
c'mon. it was pretty funny.
@@JovanyCooldude u right, that's why I brought it up lol
it was a medical term back then and still is people just avoid it because its "offensive"
@@MrWill1729 it was a medical term but people started using it to mean 'stupid', thus it became a slur.
@@lunathetrip3241 it doesnt 'become' a slur, it never lost its original meaning. insults arent slurs, either.
Caleigh Elise cover this one a while back (when her channel was still up) and apparently the phone call was in question because "Anthonette" misprounced her own last name.
When?
Her mom said she knows it's her because of how she says cayedito
“You will never figure out about the soup theory
I lived across the street from her when I was 11. This was scary for the whole town. Gallup was never the same after this.
What do think happened to her? And what do you make of the rumors about her mother?
Watching this at 6am and now I’m thinking this wasn’t a good idea
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Her mother knew more than what she let know. She took the answers to her grave.
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Unfortunately it's possible even "potential captors being close enough to the family to know who uncle Joe is" isn't a lead, because a captor could have asked leading questions or the kids could have accidentally mentioned the name of the uncle upon being told "open up, it's your aunt and uncle"
Given how unhelpful it's been as a lead, it wouldn't surprise me if it really isn't one.
I saw another story recently where a stranger in a car pulled up to a young person and said "it's me! Your uncle! Wow it's been so long you look so different! Hop in I'll drive you home!" Or something like that. The young person wasn't THAT young either, hard to imagine they'd fall for it, but the "uncle" still tried it
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Imagine being the officer/dispatcher that gets the call from someone who has been missing for months/years.
Could you make a video about the disappearance and murder of Cedrika Provenche that happened in Trois-Riviere, Quebec back in 2007? Or perhaps the disappearance of Paolo Renda?
I’m so mad that the police really didn’t seem to care that this child was a victim of kidnapping and didn’t even try to do anything right away. Then I remember that Anthonette is/was a non-white child. And it makes it even more infuriating.
@SlushyBoxx what is racist about the comment? they literally said that they're mad that a non-white child's disappearance was overlooked
@SlushyBoxx what?
@SlushyBoxx How delusional do you have to be to think pointing out that non-white children are treated as less-than is racist towards white people? It's a fact that police take cases where the victim is white more seriously
This was standard operating procedure in the 70s up until I was a teenager in the mid 90s. This policy has THANKFULLY basically been totally eradicated nationwide. While the time period does also leave one to believe it could be racism (80-90s racism was more 'open' than it is now), the likely answer is this was simple the standard, thankfully its not anymore, the standard is, we look, now, not tomorrow. So while it is so frustrating to hear in modern times, it is simply how it worked at the time. It likely wasn't race related, but I of course cannot do anything but speculate. The officers were operating under nationwide police standards for the time period. Does it still suck for all the people we lost to that stupid ass policy? No, but the policy existed for reasonable reasons, despite its obviously flawed functionality.
Anthonette's story makes me want to cry, my god. I'd read about her long before, but never watched a video or heard that 911 call. My heart breaks for that poor little girl...Forensic tech has advanced so much since the 90s, so I deeply deeply hope something new turns up, and Anthonette's family can get closure
This throws up a few red flags for me. Who comes home from a night out and stays up with their 9 yo until 3am? And why is a 9 yo awake and answering the door at 3am? And who goes to bed leaving their child awake and out of bed? If I had kids I would teach them to never answer the door to strange people, especially in the middle of the night. But the worst one is how did these people know that that particular house had young girls living there and how did they know that one of them would answer the door? It’s kinda like they knew where they were going. Was the mum involved with the wrong people? Did she do something that would warrant a late night visit from these people? There’s just too many unanswered questions for me.
Ditto all that. Thank you.
TheMrCaptainStfu That makes sense to me, another comment said the mother got a Corvette a few days later. They had money problems how else would she afford a car like that?
@@WickedPhase At present the car claim isn't well substantiated. I wouldn't put too much stock in that unless we get some solid proof other than some dude on the net said so. I am on board with yah guys tho, something is SOOOOO fucking weird about it all. SOMETHING happened that isn't the story we've been given. My guess is, she was a drug dealer, prostituting herself, or had some other shady thing going on, the mention of people being in and out constantly rings bells from my own childhood and how Ive seen some of my family member's operate their abode. If I had to guess, one of those guest and an accomplice or two took her, they would have the proximity to know all the info they needed to know to fit with the info we've been givin'; Knowing of an Uncle Joe, knowing girls were there to begin with, knowing it was only the girls home, and maybe even knew Penny was in an inebriated state, everything screams insider knowledge of the family and how the household functioned, and even people's schedules to get the target at the most vulnerable time possible.
I agree with others too, Anthonette was likely the babysitter. Latchkey kids, hence the babysitter never being brought up or in. The cops let Penny slide with that most likely, I don't believe for a second, Penny said some shit like "Oh you guys cant talk to the babysitter" and the cops just went "Oh, ok".
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I lived in Gallup NM when this kidnapping happened. my mother interviewed Anthonette's sister for the news. always wondered what happened to Anthonette.
Guess it will take a miracle to have a breakthrough to this case at this rate
Holy shit that 911 call is highly disturbing
Lie detectors are not proof of lies. They're proof of anxiety. And of course a mother is going to be anxious and sweating especially when bringing up emotional memories. I don't think the mother is involved. The reasons given are so lackluster.
It sounds like the mother either was already abusing her or allowing abuse, or sold her. The mother knows what happened and it’s very possible that she’s involved as well.
There was a source I read, it said the the family was having money trouble so they didn't have much. But days later the mom pulled up in a sports car. The neighbors were concerned and told the police but they didn't do anything about it
I often wonder why there isn't more consideration of trafficking in missing person cases. I think this theory is fairly solid.
Trafficking was the first thing that came to my mind. This woman (her mother) seems cold. There is no emotion on her face. Disturbing.
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If the waitress story is true, it’s heartbreaking to think she was so close to being found.
This case is interesting and I have been following it for years, the older people here who know may remember some of this stuff better than me. Here is some additional fuel for the rumors: There is two different versions of the unsolved mysteries segment. The original long version and the shorter version ran in syndication. The longer version which wasn't used in reruns is on one of the old vhs rip collections that was being traded on the internet back in the early 00s. Also, there used to be forums in the late 90s and early 2000s where people who claimed to be associated with the family posted comments on the incident. If I remember correctly there was known history of abuse of the poor girl. Her home was known as a hangout spot where often many strangers would show up to the parties. There was a big fight or scandal, some sort of drama at her home either the night before or the day she went missing. The reason why the mother didn't say who it was is supposedly because she was sure she would get her back without exposing herself of whatever shady stuff she was in to. There is so much more I can't remember but it was all just text on forums. All or some of it could have been made up obviously. God bless her and her family.
that phone call audio always makes my blood run cold, jesus christ
It’s 4:30 in the morning and I’m too scared to watch this. See you in the morning
That phone call is absolutely chilling.
My mom and I saw Antonette in the mid 90s being taken by what we thought was her family... hastily out of a Denny's restaurant just off I-94 near Waukesha Wisconsin!
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"We decided that before we even knew what was going on or who we were talking to / looking for, there wasn't any evidence, so we took an extra day. That whole thing about the 'first 46 hours are the most important' are more like an 'at your own discretion' thing. They mean the first 48 hours of the search, not disappearance." - The cop who talked to the news about why they started so late
Wendys story sounds like a vlasisc false memory caused by hearing the story her sister told over and over
Is there any evidence that the police actually waited that long? I've seen so many departments come out and say that you need to report a missing person ASAP and that there's no actual rule about waiting any sort of time period before they're allowed to be declared missing and start searching.
It ultimately comes down to the discretion of the sheriff. If they want to forego any waiting period they can; it just comes down to if they want to or not.
There is NO waiting period when it's a CHILD
It think it was the myth that you have to wait 24 hours to file a missing persons report that some police departments adopted, which is crazy for children because it gives whoever took them a head start in getting away and delaying help for the child. I wonder who came up with that ludicrous “law”.
Part of the confusion stems from the fact that police often don't bother to search for an adult or older teenager for awhile unless there's evidence a crime has occurred or if the person is vulnerable for some reason (often mental disability or illness). The police have to preform a balancing act between deciding who is truly missing and someone who just didn't show up somewhere for whatever reason. Older teenagers and adults can make decisions for themselves and may "go missing" of their own volition or because of unforseen (but not dangerous) circumstances. Almost all such "missing" people turn up eventually but on a few rare occasions they don't. The rare occasions are more notable in people's minds so they _seem_ much more common than they really are. This confirmation bias leads people to think if someone is "missing" the police should always do what they can to find that person. That's simply not possible.
24 hours
I do think it's very strange that nobody can seem to locate this supposed "babysitter" after all this time. Another thing I've noticed in many of these child abduction cases is that all of a sudden, all the friends and family and neighbors start acting weird and telling totally contradictory stories about the events: "Oh, I was out at a bar with my girlfriend..." "Oh, I was in the shower washing my hair..." "Oh, I was playing Tiddly-Winks with my dog..." NO. You *KNOW* what happened!! Stop lying, stop covering it up, stop protecting these evil, disgusting, criminal thugs, and REPORT THE TRUE CULPRITS!!!
Anthonette was likely the babysitter, and the police didnt care, they likely didnt see that as actionably relevant to the case unless they actually suspected Penny was involved, which, while im sure they considered it, they didnt seem very convinced.
I hate the use of “mental age” to refer to her aunt, and the ableism of the way she’s often talked about, but I’m glad this video mentioned her nonetheless. This whole case is so sad and so chilling that any and all awareness about it can only be a good thing.
Not trying to be offensive but genuinely curious, what's wrong the the mental age thing? I think it's a pretty fair way to convey how underdeveloped she was but that's just my opinion, I'm curious why you see that as wrong
Okay, how else are you supposed to explain that someone's brain function isn't normal? Call them r*tarded?
It's not even like saying her diagnosis would help either, because A. A lot of diagnoses can have different levels of functionality that varies from person to person and B. Some brain injuries can reduce your brain function permanently even though they are technically "completely healed" injuries in the traditional sense.
When you leave people with no right answer, they're going to go back to calling you r*tarded because it's easier than having to come up with a whole other euphemism just to engage with you constructively. You can't expect to be treated well by others while you simultaneously put every barrier you can think of to make it difficult for them.
@@sh1tler hey, no worries at all! The issue is that she isn’t underdeveloped - she’s a fully developed person and the whole idea that development is inherently tied to being abled is part of why disabled people are so at risk. It also leads to infantilisation, which can make disabled people feel like they don’t have the same strength of voice as their abled peers. So when we talk about people in terms of “mental age”, what we’re really doing is giving people a pass to treat them like children, and that’s a really dangerous thing to do because it disempowers people. x
@@natk4017 hey! There’s lots of words - disabled works well! Neurodivergent works too, if what this woman had was a neurodivergency. But disabled is a totally fine term and gets across the point that this person might have a different way of functioning in some areas. x
@@booksandbrains3930 Yeah there's just a big problem with neurological people being uncomfortable with the term "disabled" for some reason. Sorry if I came off brash, just have strong opinions because my partner is neurodivergent
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Thank you for the new upload just as I'm about to sleep haha, I listen to your videos while trying to sleep. Not because you're boring! It just helps for some reason 😂 So do audiobooks. Love your content! Hope you are well
that phone call always creeps me out so much