Love how the unprocessed kit sounds so good. And processing doesn't unnaturally change the sound characteristics but just enhances it totally to another level.
I do the detuning one lug thing to all of my shells from the snare to the base drum and it still surprises me at just how much you can get out of it. Gets rid of any annoying overtones and ringing, gives it a really punchy and warm tone that cuts through the mix well and is really quick. I also like that it gives the head some rebound which benefits my playing and it lowers the volume a bit where you still hear it clearly, but you don't have to use any moon gel, tape or whatever. I spent many years trying different things, different head combinations, watching hours worth of tuning tips, using stuff like a tension measuring gadgets and more, and still could never quite get my toms to sound the way I wished, there was always something. The detuning one log thing got rid of all of that and saves you a ton of time.
Got a couple questions: 1. How much do you detune the 1 lug? All the way back to finger tight? Pls define 2. Do you tune the head a little higher than usual so that it comes back to a good pitch when you detune?
Probably, one of the "Top 5" best sounding toms I've heard. Great model to how good toms can sound at the deep levels while still projecting excellent tonality -- A sound that I would imitate for sure...good job bro!
I am not one who flows others on how to turn your drums, that is because< I feel turning your drums is a personal preference. As a drummer of 62 years, I played Ludwig drums most of my life. In August of 2021, I went and bought myself a DW Collector's Series in Blue Oyster Pale. It is a 8 piece drum set. It came with stocked heads and within a week of playing the drums, I went and re-headed all the drums with Evens Heads and kept, the bottom heads with the stock head, which are what the drum set came with. I love the sound that I get from my tuning. I love low, deep toms and my two floor toms are turned low and deep. It is only my advice...changing the heads on your drum set gives you freedom of a wide arrange of drum Turing.
I’ve come across a video and learnd to finger right quarter turn all the way around the loaen one lug all the way down and then finger tight the one you loosened it takes a lot of the ring out and gives that punchy sound!
I've always liked this method for live sound, Tony Williams used to do the same thing. Finger tight and quarter turn. Great video, just now found this channel, very cool.
Even without processing your toms sound amazing! My toms sound horrible raw. I had to spend countless hours heavily processing mine to get them to sound decent.
@@ThatSwedishDrummer thanks a lot my friend,had practice every day with my drum lessons with my teacher and with your videos ,keep doing this excellent work ,with your videos i loved more the drums ,practice ,practice and practice,and you give some great ideas to make my drumming play better for my new recording songs for my band
I love that sound. I bought a kit three years ago after not playing for 35 years. Put Evans coated G2 on them and they sound great like yours do. I love that warm sound from the coated heads. Now if I can ever get as good as I once was. Lol
12 inch toms are tough! They're usually hard to tune away the ringing from the bass drum, but try to put some cotton inside the drum and tune the bottom head a bit tighter than the top head!
Great job and yes those toms sound really warm and 🤛🏿 punchy too!!!! Question 🙋🏽♂️…. What kind of microphones are you using for the Toms! Thanks 🙏!!!!😊
Sounds good, the floor toms sound completely dead. I don't know if that's what you were going for. I like my floor toms to ring out like the rack toms. They sound like you have towels over the head to me, all punch and attack, no tone. Check out Bob Gatzen video on drum tuning. It's about 1:30:00 but he has the best tuning advice i've ever heard. Specially, hitting the tom and detuning and re-tuning within that one hit. That way you can even out all the lugs. Normally going over the heads like that when it sounds funky, you'll hit that one lug that clears everything up. Best drum tuning video i've ever seen. Bob Gatzen
Thanks you! I've seen Bob Gatzen's videos, and met him in person too. It's a very good tuning video, BUT; it doesn't apply to all types of drums, depending on shell thickness, wood type and of course it depends on what sound you're after. Especially for my floor toms, I'm going for more of a "Benny Greb" type of sound. They still have tone, but I'm utilizing the absolute bottom end of the floor toms so they kind of resemble a more tonal bass drum. For my drumming style and sound, ringing toms wouldn't go in my favor ;) Thanks again!! 👍
Thank you! Yeah it's a great technique. I think I first heard Benny Greb doing it, and it works awesomely! It totally depends on size of your drum, but in my 14" I put about 6 cotton balls and about 7-8 in my 16"! :D
Man, I like it! Going for similar sound with hydraulic heads on a Vintage Slingerland kit I've got coming to me this week. Btw, did you keep this tone change as your go-to?
Nice! Kind of, yeah. I mean, I fine tune and change the tuning sometimes to fit certain music I'm playing for. And if I find a tuning that works well in my studio, I'll keep it like that for a while. Next time I change heads, I'll use different heads so the sound will be a bit different as well.
Those toms sound really good!! Should check out Rob Brown's tom tuning videos. You can quickly and easily get any tom sounding good with his tuning method!
Thanks buddy! Yeah I've seen Rob's video before and I've used that technique before too! It's usually a good starting point to get the wrinkles out and then fine tune the drum relative to the pitch :) I use more of a Gavin Harrison method, where after tuning it evenly, I press down a finger to eliminate disturbing frequencies to hear every lugs pitch! 💪
I kind of stumbled on that too. I tune up slightly higher batter, for feel, and JAW on all resos, then one lug, until I hit that punch and low end. Why does that work? I have no idea. But it just does. And a real time saver too.
Awesome playing, I hear a lot of Gavin influences which is very nice. Toms sound great, they all sound the same which is hard. Most often there is one tom you can't get to sound as good as the rest. The 12" one usually for some reason. Är du från sverige?
Hey fenrir! You should check the channel "Sounds like A drum". They teach a lot about tunning and how to find your sound. I think its impossible to not learn from them. this is not an AD LOL
On the batter sound! It can in some cases get rid of some annoying overtones, but you sacrifice a bit of the overall tone as well. You gotta try and try again until you find your ideal sound 🙌
What are your thoughts on making the toms louder, so they don't get overwhelmed by the snare? Or just lower the volume on the snare so the rest of the drums don't get lost? I always hear drum levels being set and they seem to sound OK. But once the whole band is playing, the snare sounds like a firecracker, and the toms just disappear. Happens all the time. ALL the time. ALL THE TIME.
True that! I totally hear you. I always mix in different ways, depending on what style I’m playing for and I think it’s just a “to each their own” thing when it comes to drums. Luckily in this video, no band is playing in the way of the drums 😉
Carl, Whoa Baby. That's The Sound that Evades me. I'm tuning my Toms like a OCD patient!! I can't get to THIS sound on my PDP Concept maple kit. Using G2s Coated batter heads and Clear Remos (came with the kit ). Sounds like a Piccolo Snare?
@@ThatSwedishDrummer Great video! Would you say they are tuned a hair tighter than before you detune one lug or after you detune one lug? I see wonderful videos like this but the resos are often not talked about on their relation to the batter head. I really like what you did here!
Thanks buddy, I’m happy you like it!! They’re tuned slightly higher than the batter head. I don’t really measure the interval between them, I just go by feel and sound. Tuning drums is such an imperfect science 🤣
Sound great but you didn't actually explain how you got the sound? Ie how tight or loose you did them. What's the relationship between top and bottom heads. And it would have been good to see what you actually did with the cotton balls in the floor toms? Are they left loose or did you tape them to the top or bottom heads?
I’m planning a full walkthrough of tuning, so stay tuned (pun intended) The cotton is loose in side the drum to act like a natural gate. I never tune toms with a specific pitch relative to the heads, I only go for the sound I like. 🤙🔥
@@ThatSwedishDrummer Thanks for taking the time to reply. I know every drum is different and the heads make a huge difference. But it would have been interesting to know for instance if the great tuning you ended with was by tuning each rod 2 and half times or four times etc. Then when you detuned the one rod was that completely off or two turns down etc. Ditto bottom head . was that tuned higher or lower. It would give a start point for us to try to replicate the sound. I've had good results in the past using Tunebot and their recommeded tunings . Lately I've been using Rob 'Downbeat' Browns system of putting pressure in centre of the loose head and tighening each lug until the wrinkles just disapear. Thats a simple and quite effective method but I do then tweek it to get the sound that I like and to minimise snare buzz. This morning I tried thicker resonant heads and it did help to reduce the overtones a bit. Ill certainly try the cotton balls idea - must add to my next shopping list.
I've been tuning up my new Reference kit all weekend getting ready for a session, and was trying some more (typical) higher tunings, and they just didn't sound good until I went lower. It's funny you mentioned the detuning one lug thing too, because I literally just landed on that today with the rack tom's, and it literally like did the trick, then I got home and found this video lol. How are you tuning your reso's here compared to the batters? Higher or Lower, or same? They sound deadly here man!
It also depends on what kind of heads you use! (and also the room, how you play etc. when it comes to recording) The bottom heads are a bit tighter than the batter head.
@@ThatSwedishDrummer Yeah, no totally haha. I know that with audio questions, getting sounds, etc, it's never just simple, or just one way. Always a lot of factors to take into account for sure! That said, I'm fairly happy with my Toms, but can I ask just because you know the drum well, how do you like to tune your Reference kick(for the most part)? I'm still kinda struggling with it. It's a recording situation, and quite a small room(about 18ft x 18ft and 12 ft Ceiling) But with minimal, but some treatment)Remo PS3 Coated on the Batter, and Ambassador Coated on Reso with a Hole. Ive kinda landed on a little higher than wrinkles out, but struggling to find a place I like the Reso. Any suggestions?
I would pay this guy to come tune my drums. Sonor SQ2 Maple Medium shells square sized toms and floor toms 8, 10, 12, 14, 16. Remo Clear Emperor batter side, and stock Sonor clear medium ( equivalent to Remo Ambassador ) on the reso side.
Love the video, I have the reference kit and have always had issues tuning the floor tom specifically. How many batter skins have you experimented with? Ive always just had the empower ambassador combo CLEAR , but yours sound great even when they are dry, do you think I should try coated?
Thank you! I've tried many different combinations throughout the years, and still - Emperor coated on top and Ambassador clear on the bottom is still my favorite setup. Next up, I'm actually gonna try Emperor Suade on top! Exciting🔥 It depends what sound you like, but coated heads produce a slightly warmer sound than clear heads. And since they're coated, they also slightly dampen the drum just perfectly imo!
I finally got my reference floor tom sounding good!! I used the double tuning key at the same time technique.. wow can't believe it took 10 years of trying things for that to work lol, you are a life saver
Do you know what Hz your lugs are or what notes your toms are? They sound great and I would like to get in the same rang for my drums. Maybe a silly question...
Not a silly question at all! But I always tune my drums by ear, never with a tune bot or something similar. And you also gotta take several factors into consideration when it comes to drum sound. What wood type is the shell, ply thickness, the drum heads, the room etc. 🙌🔥
@@ThatSwedishDrummer I usually tune by ear but I work at a place where they want the same sound each time we change heads etc.. They have a tune bot. Do you use damping inside or moon gels outside? Is your reso head tune lower and batter head tighter or vice versa? I'm just trying to get a good starting point. We do not want a lot of Resonation.Any help would be appriciated.
Just a thing to add that a coated batter head isn't good on a 10 inch Tom, it's so small in area that the lighter, thinner batter head allows the drum to resonate properly. Sure it looks a little funny to just leave one clear batter head on there but once you try it, actually you could just flip your current 10 upside down, try it and retune it. You might love the emperor as a reso head?
I don't agree. It's a to each their own-situation. Some like thinner heads on smaller drums and some like thicker heads. Since I made this video, I've tuned my drums in different ways and, funny enough, I keep getting comments like "Wow! Your drums sound fantastic!" So, I'm doing something right ^^
@@ThatSwedishDrummer i mean the extra drumhead skinnon a floor tom?… guess I could cut an old head and find out🤷🏻♂️😂…. Thanks for replying, I really enjoyed your videos and subscribe… I really like that 10 minute warm up you put up… very effective 🙌
Haha that's awesome, thank you, buddy! The snare is a Benny Greb Signature snare, made by Sonor. 13x5.75" beech wood snare with a Remo CS on top and Hazy 300 on the bottom. Really tight tuning!
Nope! I use EQ and Compression. I add some stereo spread, multipressor and limiter on the master signal, but since I’m only recording drums, I don’t have to gate.
Woooha! The sound of that first floor tom made my day man! Loved it! You gain a subscriber right now, I found you on Drumico's channel and so glad to meet you! If you want to pass by my channel it would be awesome! Greetings from Menorca!
Ok I tune my 10" tom quite low (two plies on both sides) 12" tom very high (single ply both sides, use as second snare... without snares :D ) and my 18" tom (two ply + single plys) and 14x8 snare (very thick two ply) are just finger tightned. Did I something wrong..??
@@ThatSwedishDrummer I'm not asking. I just wanted to show that whatever you do and you think it is the sound you are going for, do it! I did it : yes my LP Banda (steel 14x8, 12 lugs, 42 strand snare wire, equiped with a non-coated 17mil double plys Aquarian Refletctor) is only finger tight. It fat, low, and loud. Believe it or not!!
I just can't get that PHAT sound out of My Toms....so Frustrating to me. I'll keep trying Carl. Even at 71, I keep yearning for that SOUND that's so elusive to me.
Hey Man, THX for the reply. I use a PDP Concept Maple Kit ... 6 Drums : 14 X5.5 Snare, 8, 10, 12, inch Rack Toms, 14 & 16 Floor Toms. I have G2s Coated batters on all the drums except the 10 inch Tom with an EC2 Clear. I have particular difficulty with the 12 Inch Tom (switching Heads , tuning and re-tuning) just can't get that sweet sound on that drum. The 8 " Tom is tricky too, very sensitive to just slight tweeks. FYI, interesting enough, I also have add'l Snares DW Design series Nickel over Brass 14 X 6.5 Snare , a 13 X 3.5 Cheapo Griffin Popcorn like snare (which I love the sound of ?? - Nice sharp snap to it without all the overtone ringing), a Mapex Popcorn Snare 13 X 3.5 and a DW 10 X 6 Popcorn Snare. On the PDP, Griffin, and DW Snares - Evans HD Dry batter heads; Remo sound control head on the DW popcorn 10 X 6.snare and a Standard "remo" batter head on the Mapex 13 X 3.5 popcorn. I use them all in my playing, for the fun of it. They all yield a diffeent sound as I do Fills. I only play for Retirement enjoyment to MY Music about 1 hour a day. No Mics, No EQss, No Gigs (unless a Geriatric band nearby me should seek a similarly aged Drummer :):)
All drums have a certain “pitch” in their shells, but it’s tricky to not tune them in a “too tonal” way, if that makes sense 😅 If the resonant or batter head is too far away from their relative pitch, you’re gonna hear 2 tones clashing into each other.
Thumbs up if you're watching in 2021! 💪
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Dynamite Sound Carl... At 70 YO, playing again after 50 Yeras, I hope I can get to 35% of your abilities. Nice work on this video. THX again.
Rock on, buddy!!
Love how the unprocessed kit sounds so good. And processing doesn't unnaturally change the sound characteristics but just enhances it totally to another level.
Even without processing the audio, it actually sounds good!
Great sounding drums, CJ!
I know right! Now that's QUALTIY!
Thank you kindly!!
Dude, those drums sounds GREAT!!!
Thank you so much!! :D
Snare = E, Tom 1 = A, Tom 2 = E & Floor Tom = A
Whoa, CJ, that is incredibly low, fat, warm, rich sounding! No processing required!
Thank you kindly!
The processing is just to clean out the sound and remove some unwanted frequencies :) Otherwise I totally agree! :D
I do the detuning one lug thing to all of my shells from the snare to the base drum and it still surprises me at just how much you can get out of it. Gets rid of any annoying overtones and ringing, gives it a really punchy and warm tone that cuts through the mix well and is really quick. I also like that it gives the head some rebound which benefits my playing and it lowers the volume a bit where you still hear it clearly, but you don't have to use any moon gel, tape or whatever.
I spent many years trying different things, different head combinations, watching hours worth of tuning tips, using stuff like a tension measuring gadgets and more, and still could never quite get my toms to sound the way I wished, there was always something. The detuning one log thing got rid of all of that and saves you a ton of time.
Nice!!
Got a couple questions:
1. How much do you detune the 1 lug? All the way back to finger tight? Pls define
2. Do you tune the head a little higher than usual so that it comes back to a good pitch when you detune?
Probably, one of the "Top 5" best sounding toms I've heard. Great model to how good toms can sound at the deep levels while still projecting excellent tonality -- A sound that I would imitate for sure...good job bro!
Couldn't agree more! Glad you like it, Gregory!!🙌🔥
Hey it’s Grant again about Tuning keep coming with the tips I also did the cotton balls in the floor toms and now they sound great thanks so much🥁
Haha I loved that Wooh! 😂
Sounds fantastic man!
Can't keep that happiness inside ;)
Thanks!!!
I am not one who flows others on how to turn your drums, that is because< I feel turning your drums is a personal preference. As a drummer of 62 years, I played Ludwig drums most of my life. In August of 2021, I went and bought myself a DW Collector's Series in Blue Oyster Pale. It is a 8 piece drum set. It came with stocked heads and within a week of playing the drums, I went and re-headed all the drums with Evens Heads and kept, the bottom heads with the stock head, which are what the drum set came with. I love the sound that I get from my tuning. I love low, deep toms and my two floor toms are turned low and deep. It is only my advice...changing the heads on your drum set gives you freedom of a wide arrange of drum Turing.
Welp, im going to favorite this and tune my heads to the same pitch. Love it.
That's awesome of you! Hope it helps!😃🙏
Wow man, great video and fat sounding monster! Just subscribed and looking forward to see more from you! All the best! 😜
Schlagzeugvideocoach thanks, bud! Stay tuned for more! 😎
@@ThatSwedishDrummer For sure! Keep it up!
Best sounding drums. I’ve heard over many many videos.
Thanks!!
I’ve come across a video and learnd to finger right quarter turn all the way around the loaen one lug all the way down and then finger tight the one you loosened it takes a lot of the ring out and gives that punchy sound!
I've always liked this method for live sound, Tony Williams used to do the same thing. Finger tight and quarter turn. Great video, just now found this channel, very cool.
Harris Daniels thank you kindly, man! Yeah Tony had a great sound on stage!😃
Hello, so finger tight and then a quarter turn for each Tom and do you tape the cotton ball to the bottom resonate head on the floor toms.
Love the snare🔥
Whoooh
I wish mine sounded like it
Thanks Callum!🙌
callum mx Humberstone I might do a full tuning tutorial soon then!
This is really interesting Carl...and....what great playing......xx....Regards RosaPhyllis Drums
mike44terra upmost kind thanks!! 😀🙌
@@ThatSwedishDrummer Pleasure xx
WOW THOSE TOMS SOUND AMAZING!
Glad you like ‘em, buddy!!🙌🔥
Even without processing your toms sound amazing! My toms sound horrible raw. I had to spend countless hours heavily processing mine to get them to sound decent.
Sounds like you need to tune them then!
Having a decent tuning from the start we make processing minimal and mixing faster 👊🔥
Wow! Love the sound of your kit. The toms are killer💥🔥
Super sound my friend ,you' re the best
Thanks a lot! Stay awesome 👊🔥
@@ThatSwedishDrummer thanks a lot my friend,had practice every day with my drum lessons with my teacher and with your videos ,keep doing this excellent work ,with your videos i loved more the drums ,practice ,practice and practice,and you give some great ideas to make my drumming play better for my new recording songs for my band
@@ThatSwedishDrummer 🥁🥁❤️❤️🍺🍺
Snyggt! Riktigt trevlig trumset du har där 😃
Man tackar!! :)
Sounds fantastic! And, great chops mang!!!🤘😋🤘
Thank you so much!! I’m happy you enjoy it 😃🙏
God damn that’s nice
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I love that sound. I bought a kit three years ago after not playing for 35 years. Put Evans coated G2 on them and they sound great like yours do. I love that warm sound from the coated heads. Now if I can ever get as good as I once was. Lol
Cheers buddy!
I did the same thing couple years ago!!!!! Sounds real good bro!!!!😌✊🏾
Thanks, buddy! Glad to hear it! 😃
How many cotton balls did u put in each Tom?
They sound perfect
I'm glad you like it, mate!
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wooow thats a nicccce sounding drumzzzzz :)
I need your secrets on that 12 inch please it sounds so good raw as well
12 inch toms are tough! They're usually hard to tune away the ringing from the bass drum, but try to put some cotton inside the drum and tune the bottom head a bit tighter than the top head!
Very nice video about tuning! By the way, have you tried adding an extra 8" tom on your set-up? It would sound and look amazing.
I have one for this kit, but I didn't play on it as much :)
If you check some of my older videos, I use it!
@@ThatSwedishDrummer I'll have a look. I love having a 8 inches tom on my kit! It's the 12" I am ditching to fit better the ride cymbal.
Great sound!!
Those toms sound so good 😭👌
Glad you like 'em, buddy! I appreciate that :D
@@ThatSwedishDrummer :)
They do sound great!
Thanks, buddy!!
They sound great with the Coated Emperors
That sounds great!!! Thanks
Thanks bud! Hope it helps!😃
Excellent job!!!! They sound sweet
Huge thanks, Stuart!!
Great job and yes those toms sound really warm and 🤛🏿 punchy too!!!! Question 🙋🏽♂️…. What kind of microphones are you using for the Toms! Thanks 🙏!!!!😊
These are my old mics, which were Samson Q-Tom on the toms.
Now I use Sennheiser MD421
just the same drumkit i have. i'll try your tunning technique.
philliah yeah try it!!🙌
Bra video, mannen!
Du har nu en ny sub!! Vill se mer såna här videos:D
Tack så mycket! Då hoppas jag att fortsätta göra er tittare nöjda! :)
Sounds good, the floor toms sound completely dead. I don't know if that's what you were going for. I like my floor toms to ring out like the rack toms. They sound like you have towels over the head to me, all punch and attack, no tone.
Check out Bob Gatzen video on drum tuning. It's about 1:30:00 but he has the best tuning advice i've ever heard. Specially, hitting the tom and detuning and re-tuning within that one hit. That way you can even out all the lugs. Normally going over the heads like that when it sounds funky, you'll hit that one lug that clears everything up.
Best drum tuning video i've ever seen. Bob Gatzen
Thanks you!
I've seen Bob Gatzen's videos, and met him in person too. It's a very good tuning video, BUT; it doesn't apply to all types of drums, depending on shell thickness, wood type and of course it depends on what sound you're after.
Especially for my floor toms, I'm going for more of a "Benny Greb" type of sound. They still have tone, but I'm utilizing the absolute bottom end of the floor toms so they kind of resemble a more tonal bass drum.
For my drumming style and sound, ringing toms wouldn't go in my favor ;)
Thanks again!! 👍
sounds nice
Thanks!!🙏🔥
Cotton balls in your toms? I've never heard of that.
How many should you put in the drums?
Sound awesome by the way! Really punchy 👊
Thank you!
Yeah it's a great technique. I think I first heard Benny Greb doing it, and it works awesomely! It totally depends on size of your drum, but in my 14" I put about 6 cotton balls and about 7-8 in my 16"! :D
Man, I like it! Going for similar sound with hydraulic heads on a Vintage Slingerland kit I've got coming to me this week. Btw, did you keep this tone change as your go-to?
Nice!
Kind of, yeah. I mean, I fine tune and change the tuning sometimes to fit certain music I'm playing for. And if I find a tuning that works well in my studio, I'll keep it like that for a while.
Next time I change heads, I'll use different heads so the sound will be a bit different as well.
quelle fluidité! excellent
Thanks!!
Those toms sound really good!! Should check out Rob Brown's tom tuning videos. You can quickly and easily get any tom sounding good with his tuning method!
Thanks buddy!
Yeah I've seen Rob's video before and I've used that technique before too!
It's usually a good starting point to get the wrinkles out and then fine tune the drum relative to the pitch :)
I use more of a Gavin Harrison method, where after tuning it evenly, I press down a finger to eliminate disturbing frequencies to hear every lugs pitch! 💪
i've always wanted to learn drums! thanks for inspiring me! u have my support, carl-johan! u just got a new sub & hoping we can be youtube friends! 🥳🥳
it chang thank you so much for your kind words! Of course, stop by anytime and never hesitate to write 🤙
I just got the same drumheads from a Yamaha tour custom and I’m excited and hopeful to get my toms to sound like yours thanks for sharing!
That’s awesome, Daryien!💪
Hope it all works out!! Thanks for writing!
I kind of stumbled on that too. I tune up slightly higher batter, for feel, and JAW on all resos, then one lug, until I hit that punch and low end. Why does that work? I have no idea. But it just does. And a real time saver too.
True that! Great method for tuning ✊
You basically have a pair of octave timpani as hanging toms 😄 one could actually use them as such for early music.
I am 67 years old and still playing Rock and Roll.
Awesome playing, I hear a lot of Gavin influences which is very nice. Toms sound great, they all sound the same which is hard. Most often there is one tom you can't get to sound as good as the rest. The 12" one usually for some reason. Är du från sverige?
or, with a 13/16 on up/one down configuration, it's always the floor tom that misbehaves!!
I've been trying to get my toms to sound like this for 28 years
Haha tuning can take time! 😎
dude thats a nice sound!. how tight are your reso heads? also that snare is slappen!
They're not that tight actually. I just make sure they're a bit higher in pitch than the batter head.
They sound perfect!
You dont have a tune bot, by any chance?
So you could tell the frequency of the top/bottom lugs! Would be awesome!
Thanks, Sebastien!
No, I never use a tune bot or tuning dial of any sort. I like to tune by feel and sound alone 😃
Your drums sound epic, mate. What kind of music do you play?
Cheers mate!
Thank you so much!
I always try to be versatile, so I actually kinda love playing anything! Everything from Jazz and Fusion to Metal and Pop! 😃
Fuuck, love the sound 👌🏼
Glad you like it, buddy!! Thanks 🙌
@@ThatSwedishDrummer You have earned a new subscriber! Good stuff man
💯🎊🙌💥🙌yeahhh so good
lisamarieechen008 huge thanks!!🙌😃 cheers!
I wish I knew how to make my drums sound like that.
Hey fenrir! You should check the channel "Sounds like A drum". They teach a lot about tunning and how to find your sound. I think its impossible to not learn from them. this is not an AD LOL
I'm throwing in 30 impromtu fills at a live show if I had my toms sounding that thick.
Haha just don't get fired from over-playing! 😅
Sounds great - particularly the rack toms. Did you detune a lug on batter or reso side…or both? Thanks again for sharing.
On the batter sound! It can in some cases get rid of some annoying overtones, but you sacrifice a bit of the overall tone as well.
You gotta try and try again until you find your ideal sound 🙌
I like to put a cut out clear drum head on the floor toms to make them sound fat too!
Your drums sound great though!💪
That's right! Haven't done that with my new heads yet... I need to try that today!!
Thank you so much!
low is cooool
What are your thoughts on making the toms louder, so they don't get overwhelmed by the snare? Or just lower the volume on the snare so the rest of the drums don't get lost? I always hear drum levels being set and they seem to sound OK. But once the whole band is playing, the snare sounds like a firecracker, and the toms just disappear. Happens all the time. ALL the time. ALL THE TIME.
True that! I totally hear you.
I always mix in different ways, depending on what style I’m playing for and I think it’s just a “to each their own” thing when it comes to drums.
Luckily in this video, no band is playing in the way of the drums 😉
Sounds SICK!! Great playing at the end, man. That solo owned!!
Huge thank you! Highly appreciate it!:)
Carl, Whoa Baby. That's The Sound that Evades me. I'm tuning my Toms like a OCD patient!! I can't get to THIS sound on my PDP Concept maple kit. Using G2s Coated batter heads and Clear Remos (came with the kit ). Sounds like a Piccolo Snare?
It's a Benny Greb signature snare, from Sonor! :)
Drums sound great. I use coated Emperors as well.
Are the bottom heads tuned the same with the same tension as the tops or are they tighter?
They're a bit tighter than the batter heads, to remove the sustain a bit! :)
@@ThatSwedishDrummer Great video! Would you say they are tuned a hair tighter than before you detune one lug or after you detune one lug? I see wonderful videos like this but the resos are often not talked about on their relation to the batter head. I really like what you did here!
hi, how many cotton balls did you put in your floor tom ? thanks. great sound by the way
About 5-6. Try it out and see what sounds best for your kit.😃
That sounds awesome!
Are your reso heads tuned higher than the batter heads or is it the same 1/4 turn on those as well??
Thanks! Great job man!
Thanks buddy, I’m happy you like it!!
They’re tuned slightly higher than the batter head. I don’t really measure the interval between them, I just go by feel and sound. Tuning drums is such an imperfect science 🤣
Sound great but you didn't actually explain how you got the sound? Ie how tight or loose you did them. What's the relationship between top and bottom heads. And it would have been good to see what you actually did with the cotton balls in the floor toms? Are they left loose or did you tape them to the top or bottom heads?
I’m planning a full walkthrough of tuning, so stay tuned (pun intended)
The cotton is loose in side the drum to act like a natural gate.
I never tune toms with a specific pitch relative to the heads, I only go for the sound I like. 🤙🔥
@@ThatSwedishDrummer Thanks for taking the time to reply. I know every drum is different and the heads make a huge difference. But it would have been interesting to know for instance if the great tuning you ended with was by tuning each rod 2 and half times or four times etc. Then when you detuned the one rod was that completely off or two turns down etc. Ditto bottom head . was that tuned higher or lower. It would give a start point for us to try to replicate the sound. I've had good results in the past using Tunebot and their recommeded tunings . Lately I've been using Rob 'Downbeat' Browns system of putting pressure in centre of the loose head and tighening each lug until the wrinkles just disapear. Thats a simple and quite effective method but I do then tweek it to get the sound that I like and to minimise snare buzz. This morning I tried thicker resonant heads and it did help to reduce the overtones a bit. Ill certainly try the cotton balls idea - must add to my next shopping list.
I've been tuning up my new Reference kit all weekend getting ready for a session, and was trying some more (typical) higher tunings, and they just didn't sound good until I went lower. It's funny you mentioned the detuning one lug thing too, because I literally just landed on that today with the rack tom's, and it literally like did the trick, then I got home and found this video lol. How are you tuning your reso's here compared to the batters? Higher or Lower, or same? They sound deadly here man!
It also depends on what kind of heads you use! (and also the room, how you play etc. when it comes to recording)
The bottom heads are a bit tighter than the batter head.
@@ThatSwedishDrummer Yeah, no totally haha. I know that with audio questions, getting sounds, etc, it's never just simple, or just one way. Always a lot of factors to take into account for sure!
That said, I'm fairly happy with my Toms, but can I ask just because you know the drum well, how do you like to tune your Reference kick(for the most part)? I'm still kinda struggling with it.
It's a recording situation, and quite a small room(about 18ft x 18ft and 12 ft Ceiling) But with minimal, but some treatment)Remo PS3 Coated on the Batter, and Ambassador Coated on Reso with a Hole. Ive kinda landed on a little higher than wrinkles out, but struggling to find a place I like the Reso. Any suggestions?
I would pay this guy to come tune my drums. Sonor SQ2 Maple Medium shells square sized toms and floor toms 8, 10, 12, 14, 16. Remo Clear Emperor batter side, and stock Sonor clear medium ( equivalent to Remo Ambassador ) on the reso side.
Great drum kit! I'd love a Sonor kit myself.
Sounds solid! Could this be applied to all drums?
Thanks a lot!!
It might depend on the size and wood type, but basically YES! :)
Holy $#!t
Those drums sound massive, great tuning job! How many cotton balls did you put in there?
Thank you! I appreciate it :D
Depending on size of the drum, I put about 5 - 8 cotton balls!
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if i got amassodors om my tom drums what do i use for reso to get that low end sound
You can still use clear ambassadors, just try to tune the toms lower
Love the video, I have the reference kit and have always had issues tuning the floor tom specifically. How many batter skins have you experimented with?
Ive always just had the empower ambassador combo CLEAR , but yours sound great even when they are dry, do you think I should try coated?
Thank you!
I've tried many different combinations throughout the years, and still - Emperor coated on top and Ambassador clear on the bottom is still my favorite setup. Next up, I'm actually gonna try Emperor Suade on top! Exciting🔥
It depends what sound you like, but coated heads produce a slightly warmer sound than clear heads. And since they're coated, they also slightly dampen the drum just perfectly imo!
@@ThatSwedishDrummer thanks for the reply mate!
I finally got my reference floor tom sounding good!! I used the double tuning key at the same time technique.. wow can't believe it took 10 years of trying things for that to work lol, you are a life saver
On die cast hoops 2 key technique is the best.
It works on all hoops, with just differences in the fine-tuning✊
Do you know what Hz your lugs are or what notes your toms are? They sound great and I would like to get in the same rang for my drums. Maybe a silly question...
Not a silly question at all! But I always tune my drums by ear, never with a tune bot or something similar.
And you also gotta take several factors into consideration when it comes to drum sound. What wood type is the shell, ply thickness, the drum heads, the room etc. 🙌🔥
@@ThatSwedishDrummer I usually tune by ear but I work at a place where they want the same sound each time we change heads etc.. They have a tune bot. Do you use damping inside or moon gels outside? Is your reso head tune lower and batter head tighter or vice versa? I'm just trying to get a good starting point. We do not want a lot of Resonation.Any help would be appriciated.
Just a thing to add that a coated batter head isn't good on a 10 inch Tom, it's so small in area that the lighter, thinner batter head allows the drum to resonate properly. Sure it looks a little funny to just leave one clear batter head on there but once you try it, actually you could just flip your current 10 upside down, try it and retune it. You might love the emperor as a reso head?
I don't agree. It's a to each their own-situation. Some like thinner heads on smaller drums and some like thicker heads.
Since I made this video, I've tuned my drums in different ways and, funny enough, I keep getting comments like "Wow! Your drums sound fantastic!"
So, I'm doing something right ^^
Has anyone tried the whole fathead snare thing on a floor tom?
Fathead snare thing? Can you elaborate? :)
@@ThatSwedishDrummer i mean the extra drumhead skinnon a floor tom?… guess I could cut an old head and find out🤷🏻♂️😂…. Thanks for replying, I really enjoyed your videos and subscribe… I really like that 10 minute warm up you put up… very effective 🙌
@@markmitchell4451 thanks Mark!🙌🙌🔥
AMAZING. When I grow up, I want my rack toms to sound like that! :D
What are the specs on the snare?
Haha that's awesome, thank you, buddy!
The snare is a Benny Greb Signature snare, made by Sonor. 13x5.75" beech wood snare with a Remo CS on top and Hazy 300 on the bottom.
Really tight tuning!
@@ThatSwedishDrummer thanks for the response! Great job on the vid, just discovered your channel and really digging it, keep up the awesome work! :)
@@rrrw.01 That's so kind of you to say, buddy! I'm so happy you enjoy my content and hope to see you here on future videos! 🙌
Cut it out. Those are perfect
I don’t get the detune thing , if you want that fat70s sound just don’t tune that high . Ya those coated heads will suck up those overtone’s
It’s a faster way to quickly go back to the “other” sound 🤗
hi! do you gate the drums? thanks
Nope! I use EQ and Compression. I add some stereo spread, multipressor and limiter on the master signal, but since I’m only recording drums, I don’t have to gate.
People use that one/two lug detune trick on snare tuning too. Sounds great here! What did you do with the reso heads?
Tuned just a bit tighter than the batter head
@@ThatSwedishDrummer cheers!
@@ThatSwedishDrummer btw what reso heads do you prefer? Ambassador (thicker) or Diplomat (thinner)?
@@xyanide1986 Ambassador
@@ThatSwedishDrummer nice, emperor coated up top I assume?
May i know the size or your toms??
In this video I use the 10"x9", 12"x9", 14"x14" and 16"x16"
How are the real heads tuned?
Real heads?
Reso heads**
Not bad. A little dead. I typically tune low like that, but with clear emperors or coated ambassadors.
Can you teach me how to get my drums sounds like yours?
That depends if you have the same make and model like my drum set.
@@ThatSwedishDrummer ihave a Pearl kit
How do you tune the bottom heads ?
Are the tighter than the top heads ?
Yeah, slightly tighter than the batter head!👊🔥
Woooha! The sound of that first floor tom made my day man! Loved it! You gain a subscriber right now, I found you on Drumico's channel and so glad to meet you! If you want to pass by my channel it would be awesome! Greetings from Menorca!
That's awesome!! Thank you, mate!💪
Ok I tune my 10" tom quite low (two plies on both sides) 12" tom very high (single ply both sides, use as second snare... without snares :D ) and my 18" tom (two ply + single plys) and 14x8 snare (very thick two ply) are just finger tightned. Did I something wrong..??
I'm not sure about what you're asking 😂 Did you tune your snare only finger tight?
@@ThatSwedishDrummer I'm not asking. I just wanted to show that whatever you do and you think it is the sound you are going for, do it! I did it : yes my LP Banda (steel 14x8, 12 lugs, 42 strand snare wire, equiped with a non-coated 17mil double plys Aquarian Refletctor) is only finger tight. It fat, low, and loud. Believe it or not!!
Floor toms sound too dead for my taste. Snare sounds awesome.
Thanks!!
I just can't get that PHAT sound out of My Toms....so Frustrating to me. I'll keep trying Carl. Even at 71, I keep yearning for that SOUND that's so elusive to me.
It all depends on the gear too. What kit do you use? Wood type? Drum heads? Etc.
Hey Man, THX for the reply. I use a PDP Concept Maple Kit ... 6 Drums : 14 X5.5 Snare, 8, 10, 12, inch Rack Toms, 14 & 16 Floor Toms. I have G2s Coated batters on all the drums except the 10 inch Tom with an EC2 Clear. I have particular difficulty with the 12 Inch Tom (switching Heads , tuning and re-tuning) just can't get that sweet sound on that drum. The 8 " Tom is tricky too, very sensitive to just slight tweeks. FYI, interesting enough, I also have add'l Snares DW Design series Nickel over Brass 14 X 6.5 Snare , a 13 X 3.5 Cheapo Griffin Popcorn like snare (which I love the sound of ?? - Nice sharp snap to it without all the overtone ringing), a Mapex Popcorn Snare 13 X 3.5 and a DW 10 X 6 Popcorn Snare. On the PDP, Griffin, and DW Snares - Evans HD Dry batter heads; Remo sound control head on the DW popcorn 10 X 6.snare and a Standard "remo" batter head on the Mapex 13 X 3.5 popcorn. I use them all in my playing, for the fun of it. They all yield a diffeent sound as I do Fills. I only play for Retirement enjoyment to MY Music about 1 hour a day. No Mics, No EQss, No Gigs (unless a Geriatric band nearby me should seek a similarly aged Drummer :):)
Idk why but my toms are so out of tune and make more like notes rather than a hittingsound if that makes sense
All drums have a certain “pitch” in their shells, but it’s tricky to not tune them in a “too tonal” way, if that makes sense 😅
If the resonant or batter head is too far away from their relative pitch, you’re gonna hear 2 tones clashing into each other.
@@ThatSwedishDrummer ok thx sm !
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Toms sounds dry and dead,for me,but if you like that tuning great.
To each their own :)