3x3 Speedsolving Methods Tier List

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  • Опубліковано 6 гру 2020
  • In this video, I rank various Rubik's Cube speedsolving methods by how fast they could theoretically end up being. Watch till the end to find out my exact order :)
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  • @dhrutube
    @dhrutube 2 роки тому +36

    As a petrus main, *Petrus is NOT garbage at all!* Petrus has the lowest movecount out of the "big 4", so if you struggle with TPS, it can definitely be a good method (roux has M-flicks, which not everybody is good at.) Yes blockbuilding is kinda un-ergonomic, but considering you never need more than 15 moves for 2x2x3, it makes up for it. Try it. The only problem is lack of resources.

    • @RowanFortier
      @RowanFortier  2 роки тому +18

      Hey thanks for watching :)
      The argument "roux has M-flicks, which not everybody is good at" is not a valid argument. You could say that CFOP has M-flicks during EPLL (U-perms, H-perm, Z-perm), which not everybody is good at. The solution to that is to simply learn M-flicks. You could say: CFOP has F2L, which not everybody is good at. It doesn't mean anything because cubers are constantly learning new things.
      Blockbuilding is unergonomic in every method that uses it, so that cancels out as a factor when comparing blockbuilding methods. I see your point with 15 moves for a 2x2x3 block (which solves 7 pieces, excluding centers), but Roux F2B solves 10 pieces excluding centers in about the same amount of moves. That being said, there are definitely some improvements for petrus, like Athefre's APB algset. It's an alright method, I use it sometimes when I see an easy 2x2x2 block. Maybe not garbage, but still pretty low in my opinion.

    • @janukandwal7060
      @janukandwal7060 Рік тому +8

      Big 4 are now big 2 I guess

    • @altfaker
      @altfaker Рік тому +5

      petrus avg 50moves roux 45 moves bruh

    • @Scudmaster11
      @Scudmaster11 Рік тому +1

      ​@@janukandwal7060 big 3 axualy... but petrus is still far up there as being the one with the least moves possible

    • @thetwirl5842
      @thetwirl5842 Рік тому

      Axualy?

  • @Nehimsupacac
    @Nehimsupacac Рік тому +23

    I like how being highly algorithmic is great for all methods, except for roux, that is great because it's highly intuitive 😂

    • @RowanFortier
      @RowanFortier  Рік тому +15

      As you can tell, my list is completely without flaws or bias of any kind 😎

    • @KaelHitchcock
      @KaelHitchcock Рік тому +3

      It’s good for methods to have an intuitive start, because you can optimally plan it

    • @L4ngyAge
      @L4ngyAge Рік тому +2

      ​@@KaelHitchcock I'm in your discord lmao

  • @emmanuelmacron4
    @emmanuelmacron4 3 роки тому +18

    Bro I discovered your channel like 5 week ago and I have the same passion as you : cube methods! And making a tiere list of methods is a very cool concept

  • @linuseriksen6317
    @linuseriksen6317 3 роки тому +9

    Very underrated vid.......I definitely think you got most of the main points in every method. In general one of the most clear vids on UA-cam.

  • @0Aquamelon
    @0Aquamelon 2 роки тому +52

    I don't think Petrus should've been ranked as garbage. it's definitely memed on but it has a lot of the same advantages ZZ has but starts with block building instead of EO. also: the block building can be fairly similar to roux at some points.

    • @JamesonJamestackSwick
      @JamesonJamestackSwick 2 роки тому +2

      Not everyone likes ZZ

    • @0Aquamelon
      @0Aquamelon 2 роки тому +6

      @@JamesonJamestackSwick I didn't say everyone did...?

    • @ThePersonWhoAsked69420
      @ThePersonWhoAsked69420 2 роки тому +1

      so basically ZZ but 10 seconds slower

    • @0Aquamelon
      @0Aquamelon 2 роки тому +5

      @@ThePersonWhoAsked69420 considering there are 10 second Petrus averages: that’s a huge compliment to ZZ

    • @AnItalianPerson
      @AnItalianPerson Рік тому

      Bro’s stuck in 2005

  • @michalkloucek473
    @michalkloucek473 Рік тому +1

    I would like to see cuber Kodakun making this tierlist. He is like a master in every method.

  • @lukascubes9132
    @lukascubes9132 3 роки тому +5

    well somehow i didnt get the notification about this until just now lol

  • @itzecuber
    @itzecuber Місяць тому

    So much knowledge!

  • @watchf
    @watchf Рік тому +10

    I agree but I feel like cfop should be put a bit higher it has a lot of resources and recognition with it's algorithms and tricks. And you can do it rotation less with certain F2l tricks. And it has a lot of expansions including Summer Variation, COLL and a lot more. It's also what has been setting all the 3x3 WRs.

  • @lukan6523
    @lukan6523 Рік тому +4

    2:33 a majority of the speed cubers are angry

  • @idratherbecubing
    @idratherbecubing 2 роки тому +5

    Where do you think Nautilus would rank on this list? I use Roux, but I’ve been thinking of switching to L5E Nautilus.

  • @Whatup37
    @Whatup37 4 місяці тому +2

    I just thought of a method but I don’t know if it already exists. I need someone to tell me if it does. First, build a layer-1 edge(like in waterman) then, intuitively make the opposite layer -1 edge (still like waterman). Put those layers on the left and right. Then, do an alg that solves both remaining edges on those two layers. You should be left with just the m-slice. Do an alg to orient the m-slice. Finally, solve the m-slice.

  • @user-vd3pw6yf7b
    @user-vd3pw6yf7b 2 роки тому +4

    0:40 I like how the green pieces on your jacket is transparent

  • @mattevans1643
    @mattevans1643 2 місяці тому

    The other thing about the corners method, every piece except the last 4 corners can be solved intuitively, so it's great for teaching someone how to solve the cube.

  • @kchromaticpiano
    @kchromaticpiano 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you!

  • @ardnamalas1357
    @ardnamalas1357 2 роки тому +4

    Finally somebody who see ZZ's variants potential.

    • @zzCubing
      @zzCubing 2 роки тому +1

      i like zz too.

  • @futurecuber24
    @futurecuber24 3 роки тому +3

    How do you spell mehatau method? Btw amazing video, you are so creative with designing new methods!

    • @RowanFortier
      @RowanFortier  3 роки тому

      Thanks :)) It’s Mehta, though it’s an Indian word so the H is kind of pronounced twice like mehuhtah

  • @egyptiancuber
    @egyptiancuber 2 роки тому

    Nice vid

  • @sudipsadhu4930
    @sudipsadhu4930 10 місяців тому

    What is name of last method and the method with no picture please search

  • @pepkin88
    @pepkin88 2 роки тому +3

    Roux is godly, because is intuitive
    Heise is garbage, because is intuitive
    And CFOP is medium, because has rotations, whut?
    Also you said that Speed Heise ends with 3 corner commutator, which is intuitive, therefore bad. Like, bruh. I guess all top blinders could be faster, if only they learned algorithms for those cases, instead doing them intuitively each time. Oh, wait, they do them algorithmically.

  • @gustavopinedaxd
    @gustavopinedaxd Рік тому +3

    honestly, nonsense
    roux: completely intuitive so godly
    haise: completely intuitive so garbage
    zz: has too many variants one has to be good
    this gotta be the worst arguments I've ever seen

  • @cubealgs101
    @cubealgs101 Рік тому

    bro zipper is the best method thank you for putting it in godly tear

  • @cadensspecials2538
    @cadensspecials2538 4 місяці тому

    Hey, I love Petras I don't actually know it though I tried learning it. It was cool

  • @cringeSpeedrunner
    @cringeSpeedrunner Рік тому

    My custom method :
    EPBOSD
    1. Eo : EO
    2. Pseudo : “Pseudo Side” e.g. a white side with some yellow pieces
    3. Belt : Belt
    4. Oll : OLL
    5. Seperation : Seperation, e.g. 5x5 centers
    6. Dual Pll : Do both of the plls
    Edit:
    Left block, EO, rightblock, corners, L6E works too as a custom method

  • @myfirstchannel6735
    @myfirstchannel6735 Місяць тому

    how could you put cfop in good

  • @hristina9684
    @hristina9684 Рік тому +1

    What about APB?

  • @zipper-sea8977
    @zipper-sea8977 3 роки тому

    pog godly

  • @bagacodecorococo5493
    @bagacodecorococo5493 2 роки тому +1

    hey! petrus is cool for single handed!

  • @Moodle-f4p
    @Moodle-f4p 8 днів тому

    We should have a remastered version

  • @andreasolvera2246
    @andreasolvera2246 3 роки тому +8

    You got the pronunciation of Mehta right! Also glad to see Mehta in the god tier :)

    • @RowanFortier
      @RowanFortier  3 роки тому +1

      “11/10 customer service” - Blobinati Central

    • @andreasolvera2246
      @andreasolvera2246 3 роки тому

      @@LazyBeverage Yes, I'm working on the TDR variation.

    • @kerkare
      @kerkare 2 роки тому

      @@RowanFortier metha should be in godly god tier and also lmcf

  • @RyanKennelly03
    @RyanKennelly03 3 роки тому +7

    I like how ZB is bad because it has too many algorithms but Water Roux is godly... lol

  • @cadensspecials2538
    @cadensspecials2538 4 місяці тому

    You forgot the beginner method, I use it called the Daisy method it doesn't really matter though I'm learning new ones

  • @babeewoda8316
    @babeewoda8316 Рік тому

    where would RUbar rank?

  • @ducky131
    @ducky131 2 роки тому +1

    great video, BUT in my opinion Roux is godly (maybe because I use Roux...)

  • @randomdude_12335
    @randomdude_12335 Рік тому +1

    Why did you put Heise in garbage tier? Xd

  • @vigayuswonderworld275
    @vigayuswonderworld275 Місяць тому

    Bro cfop literally broke all the 3x3 twohanded records what do you mean it is medium? it is godly

  • @victhecuber5956
    @victhecuber5956 3 роки тому +1

    I think PDQF should be down a tier because there is parity and x2 rotations.

  • @mr_mcgee1
    @mr_mcgee1 Рік тому

    The LEOR method is actually just APB in a different order

  • @slowcuber6764
    @slowcuber6764 Рік тому +2

    How is ZB worse than CFOP?
    It's actually incredible to solve last pair + last layer in 2 algs!

    • @Luna77543
      @Luna77543 Рік тому

      Probably bc ZBLS is a trash set

    • @spinnyboijesus
      @spinnyboijesus 7 місяців тому

      @@Luna77543 hellllllll nah

    • @Luna77543
      @Luna77543 7 місяців тому

      @@spinnyboijesus it is pretty bad, especially if you’re doing it slot neutral

  • @igorson7929
    @igorson7929 2 роки тому +1

    Why CFOP in Medium, like most of professional cubers use it, so why did you put it so low.

    • @RowanFortier
      @RowanFortier  2 роки тому +6

      In the beginning of the video I mentioned that the video was about how good the methods were theoretically. And there are a lot of methods that are theoretically better than CFOP, even though the fastest speedsolvers currently do use CFOP

  • @pizzastock111
    @pizzastock111 Рік тому

    what about 1 look (43 quintillion algs)

  • @Nothing-tr7zk
    @Nothing-tr7zk Рік тому

    Make tutorial for petrus

  • @voidrxreal
    @voidrxreal 3 роки тому +1

    did you consider Mehta-TDR as part of Mehta?

    • @voidrxreal
      @voidrxreal 3 роки тому

      Mehta-TDR is much faster than regular Mehta, also there is Mehta-OS

    • @RowanFortier
      @RowanFortier  3 роки тому

      @@voidrxreal I did Mehta-os

    • @voidrxreal
      @voidrxreal 3 роки тому

      @@RowanFortier I think that the original version of Mehta is Mehta-6CP. Mehta-OS is different because there are more alg sets and you might not always go down the 6CP path, you might decide to do DCAL or some other path, depending on the solve

    • @RowanFortier
      @RowanFortier  3 роки тому

      @@voidrxreal that’s correct :)

    • @voidrxreal
      @voidrxreal 3 роки тому

      @@RowanFortier also why did you quit Mehta? i saw your post on the discord server.

  • @chaymatabchich894
    @chaymatabchich894 Рік тому

    And whats the one best method

  • @kiraPh1234k
    @kiraPh1234k 10 місяців тому

    My favtis Roux
    But ZB is rotationless too

  • @benc442
    @benc442 2 роки тому +1

    Sad petrus noises. For the F2L i use petrus to build a 2x2x3, then insert the final piece of the cross, and insert the last two pairs as CFOP.
    I find it easier to plan the 2x2x2 and then expand to 2x2x3, than planning the cross and look for the first 2 pairs.

    • @RowanFortier
      @RowanFortier  2 роки тому +2

      oooh, nice! Petrus-CFOP hybrid, I like it!

    • @victhecuber5956
      @victhecuber5956 2 роки тому

      @@kerkare Petrus is amazing.

    • @molybd3num823
      @molybd3num823 2 роки тому

      kinda similar to building an xcross

    • @yBryan1
      @yBryan1 2 роки тому

      I'm confused what's the difference between leor and petrus

  • @leenaagrawal2185
    @leenaagrawal2185 Місяць тому

    first block , eo , cp + belt ,co + u corner , seprate , p2l my new method rank it pls

  • @krosskancelvlogs
    @krosskancelvlogs 6 місяців тому

    where is hexagonal fransisco

  • @Lukky_gust
    @Lukky_gust 5 місяців тому

    nacho bro c'mon give Petrus a try yall know Petrus almost become goat before it unpopular for some reason

  • @gameuniverse941
    @gameuniverse941 Рік тому

    Why CFOP médium 😢

  • @alexcurrie8726
    @alexcurrie8726 2 роки тому +1

    my meathod: 2x2 then 3x3.
    steps: solve the 2x2 state.
    explanation: do i even need to explain?
    steps: solve the 3x3 state.

    • @alexcurrie8726
      @alexcurrie8726 2 роки тому

      not mine

    • @RowanFortier
      @RowanFortier  2 роки тому

      Nice do you mean like solve the corners first, and then the edges?

  • @lukascubes9132
    @lukascubes9132 3 роки тому +2

    ZB is actually my main method but I don't know full ZBLL

    • @abendregen5211
      @abendregen5211 3 роки тому +1

      ZBLL is a requirement for ZB

    • @thecubingprofessor4503
      @thecubingprofessor4503 3 роки тому +1

      It’s gonna take you a 100 years to learn all the algs.

    • @lukascubes9132
      @lukascubes9132 3 роки тому +2

      @@thecubingprofessor4503 yeah probably

    • @thecubingprofessor4503
      @thecubingprofessor4503 3 роки тому +1

      @@lukascubes9132 if you did learn everything that would be legendary.

    • @lukascubes9132
      @lukascubes9132 3 роки тому +3

      @@thecubingprofessor4503 i know just over 100 ZBLLs then took like a 2 month break. Hopefully by tomorrow I can start learning again.

  • @adrian.insano99
    @adrian.insano99 2 роки тому +1

    Siuuu

  • @cainebarrettduggan5337
    @cainebarrettduggan5337 3 роки тому +1

    Dude for me when I use belt I don't rotate.

  • @jimmytheiii8801
    @jimmytheiii8801 Рік тому +1

    I use petrus and a average 3 seconds faster than cfop but that’s just me

  • @GodCubing
    @GodCubing 3 роки тому

    I think 42 is godly

    • @GodCubing
      @GodCubing 2 роки тому

      I was about to comment the same thing twice lol

  • @BlueRS123
    @BlueRS123 Рік тому

    Where's 42 method ahhh

  • @mrflammable4664
    @mrflammable4664 2 роки тому +2

    I half watched this to look for new methods and half so I knew what methods to not learn

    • @mrflammable4664
      @mrflammable4664 2 роки тому

      Thanks for hearting. I definitely didn't expect it to happen in less than 15 minutes

  • @sephsolves9150
    @sephsolves9150 2 роки тому

    You didn't do beginers method

  • @bigoofersrock
    @bigoofersrock Рік тому

    Where is 1 look entire solve with 43,000,000,000,000,000,000+ algs.

  • @love2o9
    @love2o9 4 місяці тому

    Putting CFOP in medium shows so much bias 😭

  • @Donu_tLover
    @Donu_tLover 5 місяців тому

    bro just roasted cfop 😡

  • @bruhcubing3680
    @bruhcubing3680 2 роки тому

    I broke my cube yesterday hahaha

    • @RowanFortier
      @RowanFortier  2 роки тому

      Damn. There's some nice puzzle on www.thecubicle.com :)

  • @gmd_operation86gd7
    @gmd_operation86gd7 6 місяців тому

    Bro where is apb

    • @thehorrormusician
      @thehorrormusician 7 днів тому

      This video was made in 2020
      APB was made Jan-Dec of 2021
      It did not exist.

  • @mysticaltree4875
    @mysticaltree4875 2 роки тому +1

    Thats not 42 thats watterroux bruh

    • @RowanFortier
      @RowanFortier  2 роки тому +1

      The pictures are kind of ambiguous lol

  • @browny3212
    @browny3212 3 роки тому

    Hello

  • @zzCubing
    @zzCubing 2 роки тому

    LOL my dad would put heise in godly because it has 0 algs

  • @mateogrzegorczyk6978
    @mateogrzegorczyk6978 2 роки тому

    Why r u such of a hater of the cfop method?

  • @itzecuber
    @itzecuber Місяць тому

    CFOP medium XD

  • @mrhelloguy
    @mrhelloguy 2 роки тому +1

    69th comment

  • @Sznchester
    @Sznchester 5 місяців тому

    zz isnt great, very bad lookahead, basicaly worse cfop

    • @guiwarr
      @guiwarr 4 місяці тому

      If you do eocross its not that bad and there are good variants

  • @davidepstein7397
    @davidepstein7397 2 роки тому +1

    all of them are garbage apart from cfop and roux if we are being honest