controversial mental health edition
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- Опубліковано 31 жов 2021
- hey guys, hope you enjoy this video - slightly more riskAAay with FIONAAAA! i think controversial videos are so much. more interesting, do you agree with anything we said? if not pls be respectful but i wanna hear your opinions on these topics! hope you have a laaavley evening, love marie + fi xxxxx
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I love youuuuuu all xx
I've definitely been struggling lately with the "it'll never go away, I'll only get better at coping" because like I was vibing for a lil while and the last couple weeks my brain has been pure hell and idk sometimes it just sucks remembering that you have very little control and life is just extremely difficult
I completely agree with the self diagnosing issues. There has to be a certain level of self diagnosis or self reflection per se, for one to go to a professional about something specific. A suspicion is in some way a self diagnosis and that's okay, as long as people don't hold onto it until they have an actual diagnosis and they don't self medicate either. A lot of diagnosis symptoms present in others too, so we can never be too sure on our own, especially when it comes to mood disorders.
As for labels, I personally think they are good to have. I know many people hate them and I understand why they do but I prefer the 'labels'. Labels give me a sense of validation and hope. When I was diagnosed with M.A.D.D, it meant I had actual proof to tell to those who doubted and belittled me for my anxiety as an example. Having that label meant that it didn't just come from me and that I was just being silly because I didn't want to do certain things, it was actually coming from a professional, someone who knows what they are talking about. Labels give me a relief, to know that I'm not just crazy or lazy, that I am actually struggling with something which people would otherwise believe and make comments about it.
Love the video, thank you! X
it depends on what type of self diagnosis and what type of self medicate/accommodations because if I hadn't, I wouldn't have gotten better at all. I've continuously been misdiagnosed and mis medicated my whole life for like over a decade, given the wrong treatments, been spoken over, never listened to and now I know I have actual disabilities that I'm still fighting for a diagnosis for because therapists want to take advantage of me and my money. You will never really know what it feels like to be completely mismanaged to the point of neglect if you've been given access to proper care. I had to buy things, live broke just to get by with the specific things I struggle with on a daily. I don't work very much because I simply am in too much physical pain to. And because with no disability I live broke getting help paying bills outside of home, living off barely any food. Just because I have been misdiagnosed and not listened to all my life.
watching how caring you two are for each other makes me so happy. Marie would be such an amazing mh professional 💞
🥺🥺🥺💕 i hope one day
Agree!
Y'all are the cutest and I love listening to your thoughts about mental health topics because I feel like we agree on a lot of things but sometimes you word things in ways that I'm like 'whoa why did I never think of that'
This cheered me up so much i was laughing so much, thank you both ☺️💗
YES, MARIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! Day=MADE
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My favorite Marie on UA-cam innit 😌
I L O V E Y O U
Haven’t seen your vlogs in like a year. It seems like. And yes I want more mental health videos!!!!!
love you guys togetherrrrrrr
so excited to watch this omg
hehehe i hope you enjoy !!!
love this video so far xxx
Really enjoyed this:)
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We love you Marie xxx
Love content with fiona 💞 would love a video with you two and pip
I like this video so much!!! Marie the reason youve never felt competitive (maybe!?) is because you were 'best' you effectively won the competition. Also maybe when you were in school mental health wasn't so trendy like it is now with everyone lying and pretending to have different illness which you then feel you have to prove to them that your illness is real and so different than pretending coz it's trendy.
Awww I swear you know when I need your videos 🥺😂
How long is Fi over for? You two are such an awesome duo 💖 and I NEED to know where you guys get your jewellery from. 😍😍😍
Marie, you should watch Haunted Mansion and Elf is my favourite Christmas film 🥰🎄
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All I can say is that one is a ghost and the other is the devil 👿 I really really love this video and your amazing honesty please stay safe and strong love your number one Australia fan John
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I am 49 and struggling with my mental health issues and anxiety and my friends don’t have any problems with this and sometimes they struggle to understand what I’m going through
hey john, this breaks my heart that you don’t have anyone to talk to. i hope you know that your comments brightened my day. you will always have the comment section as a safe place to talk (only if you want to ofc) but i’m s bring love and hugs to you 💕
@@marieroseeee you don’t no what that means to me so thank you from the bottom of my heart ❣ and I might take you up on your offer ❤️❤️❤️
Whoo I'm here for this. Love opinions, very interesting to hear :) SticK? SstIicK? stIcK? 🙃 STicK? StIcK?
Lol, no idea. Going for the last one ! 🤣
ahhahahaha love it 😂😂😂
Agreed on the right to dignity at the end of life and right to assisted suicide
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I actually have conversed with a pal with bipolar (and I have BPD) about assisted suicide or euthanasia specifically on mental illness (we both agree physical illness should be allowed to use euthanasia liberally before the illness reaches an advanced stage to prevent suffering). Her and I both agreed voluntary euthanasia for mental illness should be allowed. Not a very common thing anyone would agree with us on, but we both agreed if someone with a mental illness really wants to die, they will do so regardless of if it is assisted or not, and seeking out voluntary euthanasia is an opportunity to give people a last ditch chance at recovery. Mental health treatment is often very conservative here in Aus, an antidepressant and a bit of CBT is basically standard. If people are saying "I'd like voluntary euthanasia please" then it's a sign we need to be doing whatever might work that hasn't been tried for that person before, ketamine infusions are said to help treatment resistant depression, CBD oil, electroconvulsive therapy is actually useful and safe particularly in bipolar but isn't often used here! Even experimental treatments, like LSD micro-dosing do show promising results, if someone will die anyway, why not let them try? Same as experimental treatments for other illness. It should be an opportunity to dedicate a LOT of resources to that person the same way we would dedicate a lot of resources towards someone in an ICU who has had a serious physical illness. Then if none of that works? Absolutely. A psychiatrist (or two) should give that person the right to die with dignity. I would prefer that than for someone to find their family member having killed themselves, I would prefer that than someone living a miserable hopeless existence, and I would prefer that than someone who is already suffering dying painfully, scared, and alone. If you want an example/case study, research Dr Stuart Kidd (with lots of caution it's a very triggering story).
I liked the way you phrased that some illnesses don't release people rather than some people don't overcome their illness they just manage it. Very "fuck off voice" from 'To The Bone' of you lol. I personally do not feel there will come a time in my life where I don't have BPD, but instead I try to de-pathologise myself, to normalise a lot of 'traits' as an aspect of my personality rather than a symptom. Not to give up or anything, just to accept myself rather than constantly going "I'm splitting because I'm unwell" it's more like "sometimes I get so angry when someone hurts me that I forget that I love the people I love so I have to wait until I can remember I love them again!" I'm still saying the same thing, but not in the same way, because I am a person, not an illness. That doesn't mean I don't try and work on coping with splitting, but I'm not interested in making everything The Borderline Experience.
Can't believe Fi hasn't seen Elf, one of my fav Christmas movies. Guess we can't expect poor miserable moping moaning Myrtle to understand its amazingness. :p
TikTok is the WORST MH community. The competition and toxicity is unreal, insta seems to have 'matured' a little? Or maybe I am just really old now >.
Omg this is the longest comment I have ever left in my entire life I am so sorry its basically a dissertation. [I am having to copy and paste it through replies to this comment] so for the whole thing keep going down in this thread
But firstly incase you CBA to read this whole thing which I wouldn't blame you for - love this type of vid!!! It's really engaging because you're making us think about your ideas and also our own! You and Fiona are so cute and btw look glowing too! Clearly soaking up the friendship love and its radiating from you both
However, I do think, on the other side of the coin, the mental health conversation has turned toxic and is causing damage to people who otherwise would not be considered "mentally ill" if it were not for this context. One reason is the romanticism of mental illness in, films, music, social media, books, art etc, that makes it seem edgy or cool or something that it sets you apart from the crowd. Then there is the rapid spread of ideas values and beliefs among like minded communities that can perpetuate unhealthy behaviours. When I was 14 I would find pics online and it would trigger me, remember Tumblr lmao wtf. I didn't really understand wtf was going on, I was so young, vulnerable and unwell and I was sucked deep in this really fucked up world. Its so dark but you know the score it sounds like you've been there! Young people are still in the thick of that and its scary that it's still out there.
There is also a feeling of desperation to have an identity that is set apart from others whilst simultaneously being accepted as part of a community. With all our access to knowledge and diagnostics and research about MH, people reading the DSM etc and watching TikToks of people who basically are advertising their mental illness symptoms, people are identifying with that and then going ahead and presuming they have XYZ disorder based on some quite minor things, and that reinforces an identity that is categorised as different from others. I think with being online we have grown up trying to keep up an online identity, who are we, what clothes we wear, where we go, etc even if you are consciously trying to not let social media influence those thoughts, they are there in a way I think. We all wonder if anyone will like our photos sure? I mean I loved waiting for people to comment on stuff! So my online presence was completely fuelled by the way others interacted with me, and how much I felt validated by them seeing me, for who they thought I was. But that wasn't even me anyway it was a version of myself curated unconsciously by everyone around me on my social media platforms and how I was trying to live up to an ideal version of myself that ultimately, doesn't even exist. I have since left Facebook and Instagram and its been a huge relief. TikTok next.
There is also such an eagerness to diagnose any adverse human experience as an illness when there are parts of life that are just shit and we all go through stuff that is hard for e.g. stress, heart break and hating your job or something. I am sick of the mental health conversation always forgetting to differentiate between the fact everyone has mental health that needs nurturing, but forgetting to mention that it is different. Not everyone has a mental illness that requires constant management, support, meds and that there are various degrees of seriousness of it. The most severely unwell are arguably the most severely stigmatised, but the mental health conversation going on now doesn't find that bit cool enough and some very important and difficult topics are left out.
Perhaps we need to start equating the differences for e.g. being sad for a few weeks cause you got dumped - is like having a cold, and being in a major depressive episode is like needing an organ transplant. And no, there should be no competition as all suffering is suffering, but I think the conversation is making people more unwell than they think they are and perpetuating suffering that is caused by needlessly labelling the suffering, if that makes any sense. It's kind of like when you google why you've got a head ache and google tells you you have a brain tumour or a subarachnoid haemorrhage. So when people say I am feeling sad - google tells you that you have major depressive disorder. How serious these illnesses are is not understood. It's frustrating when you live with a chronic relapsing condition that literally wrecks havoc and then you hear every tom dick and harry throwing about the word depression like its a slice of cake. Or saying "oh I have bipolar too" and I think, no you don't babe you don't even know what it means if you think starting the day off happy and feeling grumpy in the afternoon is what bipolar means. Ignorance. I even had a person ask me about what happens to me in a manic episode, and then a few weeks later start dropping these giant hints that these things were happening to her. And I saw right through it. I just couldn't understand what she would gain from that. Some of the copycat things she said were also quite unique to me and it was just so obvious.
I find it worrying that there is a generation growing up so engrossed in social media (i have been too i am 28 and been on social media for half of my life), and not the real world. Its so much worse now its filters, mental illness, celebrities, diets and god knows. Tho cannot deny the positive power of social media for like support groups, information, charities, social justice (tho that gets watered down and capitalised on rapidly too). etc.
I've seen it on TikTok and other videos people saying omg I have this one experience (that could be accounted for by many different things) and there are people commenting literally asking what to say to a Dr. to get diagnosed. It's like, go there with your own experiences? Don't regurgitate something you've heard on TikTok. If you are struggling you can explain what happens to you not what you saw on a TikTok.
Everyone struggles in this life and god its so hard! I just wish we didn't have to keep pathologizing that. I think the commercialising and attention in pop culture that mental illness has, has basically watered down a real political mental health discussion and has (as usual in most social justice movements) - shifted the actual political attention needed for mental health away into a neatly wrapped parcel held by celebrities, embellished with self care packages and meditation apps. Why isn't the mental health discussion showing celebrities campaigning for funding for MH services that are now absolutely on their knees turning people away in dire straits. And some of the crisis in MH is caused by the very movement aimed to help it, by giving people ideas for illnesses they don't even have.
Anyway this is very cynical of me I sound like an old lady, and I know everyone's experiences whatever they are, are deserving of attention validation care and support regardless of if its a diagnosable mental illness or whatever. I just feel strongly about the political and sociological impact of this kind of thing.
I'm stating to go down the route now of rejecting my whole diagnoses and disagreeing with psychiatry to be honest but I know that is a controversial topic and one that definitely does not sit well with many people. Especially when they accuse that being part of a mental illness in its own right. I think FFS! Not everything I do is part of being ill. Like I answered the phone the other day my mum was like oh are you a bit manic and then my lecturer said it to me aswell - I thought wow no, I am just feeling really great can I not just have a great mood? lol. Anyway. If anyone has read this far can you please leave a reply so I can send you some kind of medal and certificate.
Also aware my opinion is just my opinion and is not fact and that other people may disagree with me and feel differently than I do that is absolutely completely expected.
I agree that normal human experiences such as grief, heartbreak etc are being diagnosed too frequently as depression. I also have bipolar. I didn't know anyone personally with the disorder, I just developed symptoms I did not understand at around 15 and after a few of years of a psychiatrist monitoring my mood and behaviours I received the diagnosis. I didn't view any part of the Instagram MH community until I was 21, which I'm grateful for because by that point I'd already been through crisis' and been supported to manage them better, got on medication, had therapy, developed a good lifestyle and routine etc. If I had viewed that content when I was a confused 15/16 year old desperately needing help, I think I could quite possibly have been drawn into similar behaviours to feel validated, get support from professionals etc.
Hi can you share what is your diagnosis and what medications are keeping you stable.
i’m on alot of medication but i have borderline personality disorder xxxx
Do you get psychotic episodes
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