GM should offer the frt and rear locking diffs as an option for all of it's trucks not just on the zr2 or at4x.Not every one needs the dssv shocks for hi speed off road driving,,but having true 4x4 traction with the lockers is where it's at when you need it. Cmon GM make it happen.We are waiting.
I am always impressed with all the offroad goodies and a beefier stance but for most of us we are more likely to tow or haul stuff with our trucks then go offroad. For those reasons I would probably choose the trailboss with the baby Duramax.
GMC does offer the Duramax. My coworker just picked up a '22 GMC AT4 with the 3.0L Duramax diesel last week, paid MSRP $66K. It's a beautiful machine, this coming from a '17 F150 owner.
All three seem well equipped to handle the difficult challenges the majority of their owners will put them through: potholes in the Starbucks drive up, poorly maintained home improvement center loading areas, and the speedbumps in the mall parking lots and school pickup line. Some may even have to drive over a curb and onto the lawn when the owner needs to make room in the driveway for guests while holding a BBQ in their suburban cul de sac.
@@Crimsontide1694 I've owned the rest, started in Silverado's, had RAM's (back when they were Dodge Rams), and F150s. I just got real about what I was actually doing with my vehicle. I needed a bed that could haul 4x8 material, I tow a couple atvs and a 20ft boat and a 3800lb camper, and commute to work on winter roads in Wisconsin. Why did I need 10k+ of towing or 4wd to do any of that? The lower insurance cost and 29mpg I am getting on the highway alone were worth the switch. It's easy to talk shit on the Honda, as you are, but the truth is that many truck buyers are buying capability that they don't use. I off-roaded for years with my dad in shitbox chevy's with manually locking hubs and did just fine, so why would one need these expensive trucks to do the same thing an 80s truck with manual hubs and open diffs could handle? And why buy an off-road specialty vehicle to not off-road? If I wanted to see that, I could be like the lady I work with who has a Wrangler Sahara and didn't even know it had 4wd. She just likes looking like Daisy Duke.
@@oneslackr It is so appropriate you had commented this the other day and brought this comment thread back to my attention. Yesterday night, I saw a prime example at Walmart. Parked there in the -5 degree Northern Wisconsin weather, was a Jeep Wrangler 2dr, with a lift, with a winch, with the "You wouldn't understand..." sticker, the whole shebang of the Jeep "I'm a real off-roader" gear bolted to it. But get this, it was on 22" chrome rims with rubber-band tires (I mean, if there was 2" of sidewall I would be shocked, more like 1.25-1.5")! Yeah, buddy, we all believe you go soooooooo far off-pavement in your Jeep and it totally isn't a pavement princess.
The seats are amazing if you were 6 1/2 feet tall and 250 pounds. It gives you enough room for your whole back width and the rest of your body. Without feeling like you’re getting crushed like in a dodge
It’s funny though, when I take my 1999 Silverado out on the trails, I never see any trucks newer than 2010. I know people don’t want to scratch their new shiny trucks, but when you pay so much for all these neat features, you might as well use them lol.
I've always been torn between the f150 and the gmc. The last few generations of the Sierra have really had me looking twice and even after I got my new f150. I can help but feel like I might have liked the gmc more.
I Loved The ZR2 But The Trail Boss Is Just Enough Both Of Them Are Cheaper Than The AT4X From GMC Because That GMC Is Super Fully Loaded The 6.2L Big Boy V8 & The 3.0L Duramax I6 Are My Favorite Engines With A 10 Speed.
Just so you know GM is having trouble getting out the 6.2L gas engines due to some chip shortages. The 3.0L duramax is available for the at4x now. Idk about the ZR2. I was able to order my AT4X with the duramax.
@@TheDeanGullberry unfortunately no. My truck has been sitting in order waiting for GM to pick up since may. I changed the engine option about 2 weeks ago.
I bought the trail boss simply because of the diesel. Got 39.3mpg best and 37.1mpg average last weekend on a trip to Yellowstone. The 14 and 16mpg nonsense in the gas engines just doesn’t cut it.
@@ryanlaroche5103 it's amazing but if you'll certainly be driving another sized truck than your F250, it really just needs an exhaust to make the truck better, the factory is a 2 to 1 to 2 and has a dumb flap for the cylinder deactivation right outside of the muffler. Taken it on a bunch of trails and put 35's on it, absolutely in love with the truck
Funny how people kept saying the price of these 3 are the same as TRX are Raptor so they would go with those; this is simple not case. There is a 10 to 20k difference between the GM vehicles similarly equipped.
Tommy, I would like to see ride quality/comfort on and off road difference between the Denali with adaptive ride control vs AT4X with multimatic shocks.
I like the red tow hooks. If you’re thinking about functionality, red is a lot easier to find in mud than black. White or orange is also not a bad option.
I don't know how it wasn't mentioned that this is the first Silverado in decades to not feature the bar splitting the lights. That is a decent part of why people rally around the Z71 badge in the first place, and the reason GM had the finances to try to develop a ZR2 a few times. The trail boss has a better approach and departure angle during real world testing, without a measuring tape, than the raptpr and the rebel. Please quit trying to compare the TrailBoss to the raptor and ZR2. It's not meant to compete with either of them.
I have wanted a trail boss since it came out. Wished they had one with the Duramax. Last week I finally got a used Z71 3.0 and now see GM FINALLY got around to a Diesel engine choice for the Trail Boss. My timing sucks..
I wish they would offer the electronic lockers on the Trail Boss. I don't need the better departure angles and multimatic shocks. And still be cheaper than a ZR2 with equal options. I think that would sell well.
My thoughts exactly. So far I own the duramax LT and I am telling you I love this engine. I would love the ZR2 but as long as they do not bring it into duramax engines I will never be interested other than the Trailboss.
I like the Trailboss, but went with the LTZ Z71 when I bought in 2019. Funny thing is that the real ground clearance is better, because the tires are about a half an inch taller in the LTZ vs the Trail boss. I actually use the folding mirrors, automatic deploying running boards, ventilated seats, exterior door unlock from passenger doors, blind spot indicators and like the power passenger seat and heated rear seats for the family, and I actually use the automatic up on the tailgate a lot. When hands are full, you can nudge it with your knee and it goes up. I use that feature a lot. Also, although Chevy didn’t make the trim level differences that obvious, when you get in a Trailboss you can see the materials are way different, like leatherette dash and door panels and accents are different. And back then I paid $47k out the door. So my money would go to the ZR2, except for the 6.2. It just has so many really cool features and taller tires, suspension and front and rear manual locker. Maybe with the duramax if they offered it. The 5.3 is a great motor with plenty of power. I think tow capacity and payload is actually higher with the smaller engine. Tommy, why didn’t you compare the towing and payload by looking at the nifty door jam stickers? Great video idea. Thanks
Great pick. Good you didn't sell yourself short with less options. No one has mentioned how they took out the A/C port in the refreshed models. The crazy thing is it's only available in the lower trim levels that's ass backwards.
@@MansaX Do you mean the home plug 🔌? I didn’t notice that. I have used that as well, However, gadgets are now using lightning plugs instead of USB. The way my truck is, even with the auto deploying running boards that swing all the way to the bed, it has a payload of over 1700lbs. This is really useful when I load it up and haul a camper. And the 5.3 is strong enough without having to use premium
@@MansaX Dang! I guess that makes sense, people always seem to get mad when companies make money, but I don’t. GM does a good job with cutting costs. Ultimately that allows them to become a better company, and to give us better products at better price points. I had cross shopped my truck with Ram, Toyota and Ford and nobody could beat the price and value. $47k is nothing for an new LTZ Z71 5.3 with automatic High Country trim running boards. My truck has given me zero problems, with now 40k miles.
If GMC offered the 3.0 diesel in the AT4x it would be the perfect truck. As it is with 6.2 it is a deal changer that I can’t accept. Hopefully GMC will offer engine choices in the future.
The trail boss that they have on this review in Canada is $75k plus tax and destination the ZR2 is $79k plus tax and destination the at4x is $87k plus tax and destination roughly; very expensive.
My 2002 LT Z71 with every option was $37,600 and still runs perfect @ 205,000mi. Nice looking trucks, I test drove a AT4 last year and it was huge boat, it's not for me.
The worsened the approach angle on the standard Trail Boss so the offroad guys will upgrade to the Zr2, smart move to make the Trail Boss look better and make more money! Nice strategy for GM 😎
Best interior quality for a GM truck ever!!! Still not to RAM'S standard, but definitely competitive with Ford and Toyota! Great job! Need better seats though in the mid grade Silverados and below and THEY HAVE TO FIX THE TRANSMISSION AND ELECTRICAL RELIABILITY ISSUES THAT THEY'VE HAD FOR A WHILE BEFORE PEIPLE START CROSSING OVER FROM OTHER BRANDS! Oh and in the ZR2 for a 67k truck it has MANUAL ADJUSTMENT for the steering wheel!??? Come on GM!! That's low rent!
I trusted Chevrolet right out college in 1993 when I dropped over 20k USD on a Blazer S10 Tahoe! It turned out to be the worst decision I ever made. The truck was a lemon right out of the lot from the dealership. It came with defective front shocks that ruined a pair of Wrangler radials. Then the heating system sprung a leak, it blew a head gasket, shorted the electrical system, the digital instrument cluster went out multiple times over the lifetime of the vehicle, every nut and bolt rattled in the truck especially the rear hatch. In short that was the worst purchase of my life. The next vehicle I purchased was a 1998 Ford Taurus GL that actually worked well for a good number of years. But then I decided to try Toyota and I never looked back. Toyota has been my most reliable car ever. Right now I own two of them a 2005 Tacoma SR5 TRD Sport and a 2016 4Runner SR5. Neither has given me any serious problems. What's more everyone in my family owns a Toyota now and they have all had the same experience. As far as Chevy goes I can only have this to say. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me! I never gave GM another chance!
You missed quite a few things on that list of differences between a custom trail boss and the ZR2.......more factory lift, bigger tires, special bumpers, skid plates, wheel opening trim, different front control arms, much better shocks and a host of other amenities on the interior that make up the 20k price increase.
@@captainrawn eh. It's a cost of diminishing returns. Sure, it has a few extras that the Trailboss doesn't, but the TB is gonna do about 90% (or more) of what the ZR2 does, from the factory. And the average person needs to ask themselves, does it make it worth it? For most people, that answer is no.
@@backwoodstherapy Thanks for the reply. I think your correct that the Trail Boss will be what most people will buy and use for a variety of reasons. It will off road the same up to the point where the extra ground clearance and selectable lockers take over on the ZR2. I recently purchased a ZR2 in desert sand color to "try it out". Should get it in early July. Like many people I drive mostly on road but there is one place that we camp where I pull my trailer through rough bush mountain roads and use 4WD low with the rear axle locked on my 2015 F350 with 35's on it. Up and down steep grades and through some mud at times out there. Let's just say I use all the tools it has under those circumstances. I'm very curious to see how this new truck handles that scenario. I'm in my 60's and have never owned a new GM truck. Never liked the interiors until now. Had mostly Fords in my lifetime and have been generally happy with them. I looked at the Tremor, Rebel, Trail Boss, and AT4 and decided that neither of them would be good enough to get me there and back under those circumstances. I also have a very capable 2005 Tacoma with lockers, a lift and 32's but it can't pull a trailer. This new ZR2 just might replace it. If the truck is any good and they offer it with a 3 liter diesel I would order one soon as it was available. Cheers
Custom does not have the refreshed interior! Still the same ol ugly dated interior they have now. That alone makes it a No Go!!! i went with a 6.2 TB loaded.
Takeaway: the at4x is a waste of money. 10k more, smaller tires, less ground clearance, ugly redesigned grille for ‘22, and the only “luxury” feature is more leather. Zr2 seems to be a MUCH better option.
I want them to make a Work truck trim with zr2 suspension. Vinyl floors 4x4 and a rear locker no other options needed. Would sell like hotcakes. Offer all engine options as well
Both the At4x and ZR2 need to have the diesel as an option. AT4x would work better with the same front end as ZR2 but with it’s unique interior. Zr2 needs a more efficient engine or a larger gas tank and a lotto win to fill it with gas. I’m mostly excited to find out more about the midsize segment though. I don’t need or want anything as big as the full size vehicles. Wish there were credible rumours of a hybrid on the new Colorado, Ranger or Taco.
@@mikemissouri5152 Agreed but I’d still love a system like the Ford Hybrid specifically the pro power aspect. Tie that in with a smaller engine and truck in a ZR2 trim that’d be interesting. Go to unusual places and have the flexibility to power a few things.
It was just announced that the ZR2 is going to come with the diesel option for 2024! The only bad thing is the price will probably increase by 10 percent!
I would go with the little brother the Colorado zr2 you get more bang for your buck it’s cheaper just as capable and it is narrower and can fit down most trails unlike these expensive trucks.
Always loved GMC. However, the Sierra I have now is a 1500 and I'll never buy another 1500 again. 2500 HD or up. That is where GM has built a proper truck that won't break and fall apart after only 40K miles like my has.
I’m new to the truck game , my background is Honda vehicles! I love the reliability and longevity of Honda vehicles . My question since I’m considering a Silverado, how reliable are these 5.3 v8’s with the 8 speed transmission. Would it last a long time as Honda do?
The 5.3 is a really good engine...as long as you find a way to delete the cylinder deactivation stuff. It's arguably as reliable as Toyota's 4.6 V8, or the 5.7. The 8 speed automatic transmission? If it's not a ZF8HP transmission I can't tell.
I've owned a 14, 15 and 17 Chevy 1500 LTZ's, all of the driver's seats suck. They seem to break down in the butt area pretty quickly. I never had more than 35,000 miles on any of the three. I'm not a huge guy but not tiny either, about 240-250lbs.
It is incredible to hear someone talking about the price of a new vehicle and say 76 thousand like it’s nothing and gas prices over 5 a gallon and the paycheck still where it is makes me appreciate the person that’s gonna buy that beast and never off road it keeps it meticulous gets all the right options the right shade low miles and shine the blue oval then in 5 years sells it at a very reasonable price to me I can’t wait, and I have always wondered why Chevy has not ever made a truck that would directly take on the Raptor GMC in whole has always seemed so meat and potatoes but I will say this I love the look of their new trucks
I still don’t think the towing capacity is enough on any of those trucks my mother-in-law weighs 600 pounds I wouldn’t want to abuse any vehicle that way
Can you notice a difference in handling while cruising down the freeway at 80 mph? My ‘21 Trail Boss tracked extremely well. My ‘23 ZR2 seems to wander slightly. Additionally, the Trail Boss seemed to have better throttle response and acceleration which makes no sense considering they both have the same 6.2 engine and transmission. Overall I was more pleased with the Trail Boss than I am with the ZR2. Any thoughts?
This is very interesting to hear. My wife has a 20' Trail Boss with the 5.3, and we're entertaining switching to a Ford Tremor, Ram Rebel, and I was telling her to keep in mind the ZR2. We test drove the Rebel and that was more comfortable than the Tremor. With the seat comfort and ride comfort. But that was with very short distances. There is a part of me where I think we would need to take a longer ride in the Rebel, as well as with the Tremor, as I felt like it was "loose" feeling in the rear in the Rebel. So with your comment, the ZR2 has the multimatic, DSSV suspension, but with leaf springs, and it feels more loose. The ram with coil suspension might feel similar in the loose feeling. Has me thinking that maybe the Tremor would be the best onroad and with very capable offroad capabilities. In this segment, Rebel, Tremor, ZR2, even Trailboss with the 6.2, and Sierra ATX4, is a very tough decision.
90% of the people who buy "offroad" packages don't ever see much more than gravel road. It looks cool.... Shit most guys who have big lifts never see dirt. Having owned the 6.2L ,which gave me nothing but problems(lifters n pushrods) and running premium I can't say I would own one again. The small gas tanks.....wtf GM get with the times. Finally a nice interior tho.....except for guys complaining about seats. GM hasn't changed the V8s in years.....maybe they will get to it someday.....or heaven forbid put a twin turbo v6 in like everyone else is:)
Agree on all points, but I think the small gas tanks is a sign of the times, since many pumps only allow $100 in gas at a time if you pay at the pump via debit, they figured out how much a tank could be filled with $100 at current and anticipated fuel prices! LOL.
Excellent explanation , awesome video 📹 👏 👍 👌...really help me out to make my mind on which to be buying by April 2023..... I'm glad you mentioned the price... Thanks again.......
I love my ZR2! It will go anywhere! I don’t think AT4X is worth extra money. All you are really missing is a seat massager in ZR2 and that’s not worth $8K
You guys should do a video on the Silverado Blacklake XT1 build from Blacklake Research & Development and explain why it cost $250,000. Or compare it to the PaxPower Jackal.
Would Love to see GM to compete in the small truck Ford Maverick as a Chevy Tracker or GMC Valley. Also Chevy Blazer/GMC Jimmy compete with the Ford Bronco off road
All super nice trucks You guys have tested every brand made. You also live in a state that salts the roads. Is the Aluminum Ford trucks holding up better? I also live in a state that salts roads are least 2 times a week. Most 2004-09 f-150’s are heavily rusted at this point. I’ve not seen any issues with the aluminum. But I’ve also not seen as many salt rust issues in the GM and Ram pickups. Is this just chance or are Gm and Ram better at rust inhibitor applications on their trucks? These are huge investments. It’s time for me to buy new but I need a truck that will last 15 years without rusting through. I do keep my trucks clean. I always touch up chips in paint etc. But I have had mixed results with rust underbody treatments.
I still can’t comprehend why GM gave the Sierra no meaningful external upgrades…while the Chevy gets a “Flowtie” and an awesome off-roading bumper. The sierras bumper is shared throughout the whole lineup
Truck makers have got to stop putting 20" wheels on trucks marketed as being intended for off-road duties. No off-road branded truck should ever come with wheels larger than 18". You need more tire and less wheel to soak up the bumps and dips and prevent the wheels from getting bent should the vehicle unexpectedly drop on a big rock. Truck makers need to understand, there is a difference between pretending to be truly off-road ready and actually being it. No one should have to pay the high prices of the F-150 Raptor Or Dodge TRX for common sense features. They can build trucks with ONLY what is needed and let those flagship trucks exist for their purpose.
The sound level from the microphone is too low. If you add a hiss and a couple of filters - the video will look like shot in the 60-70s of the last century.
I think the AT4X would be bought by those who want to FEEL like they are outdoorsy off-roaders but not actually go off road. $76k is a lot of money. I have a 2021 trailboss custom $41k and like that it's simple and comparatively speaking inexpensive.
Your comment does seem fair. I’m getting my At4x on Tues and honestly it was about really loving gmc and wanting the best looking and loaded and for me that’s the x. I don’t go off road much at all. So your right lol
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I'm a Ford fan all the way, but I must give it to GM for really stepping it up as of late
I bet went you put stuff on the trunk it look like that truck begging to god (jk)
@@JuanPerez-tn4xy coherent?
Got a Custom 22 Trailboss a couple months ago with the 6.2. Love this truck, ride on rough country roads is very good, getting 18 mpg average.
That's awesome for 6.2 L full size. My 4Runner with crappy four liter V6 only gets 20.
My rst with 1.5 lift and 3 litre gets 29 mpg average . hard to believe for a half ton .
cool no one asked though
I doubt that as the 6.2 isn't offered in the Custom Trail Boss trim, unless it used to and they discontinued?
That ZR2 goodness!!! Not that I “need” all the off road capabilities, but I’d rather have it and not need it… than need it and not have it. 😍
Well said!! 😜🤙🏽
I love how they opened up the space in front of the tires. Not for everyone but I think it looks awesome.
Lemme guess, you haul mulch from home depot to your suburb home.....
@@elonmust7470 who cares what people do with their truck that they spent their money on? lol
@Elon Must It's "let me guess" genius, I guess you just can't afford any vehicle and want to be a goofball lol
GM should offer the frt and rear locking diffs as an option for all of it's trucks not just on the zr2 or at4x.Not every one needs the dssv shocks for hi speed off road driving,,but having true 4x4 traction with the lockers is where it's at when you need it. Cmon GM make it happen.We are waiting.
I am always impressed with all the offroad goodies and a beefier stance but for most of us we are more likely to tow or haul stuff with our trucks then go offroad. For those reasons I would probably choose the trailboss with the baby Duramax.
GMC does offer the Duramax. My coworker just picked up a '22 GMC AT4 with the 3.0L Duramax diesel last week, paid MSRP $66K. It's a beautiful machine, this coming from a '17 F150 owner.
They do in the AT4, but not the AT4X, the AT4 is like the trail boss and the AT4X is like the ZR2.
Yikes that's alot of money for a 1500
That bashplate is a must. When he pointed out that the trailboss is plastic I was like damn. Never seen any reviewer did that
All three seem well equipped to handle the difficult challenges the majority of their owners will put them through: potholes in the Starbucks drive up, poorly maintained home improvement center loading areas, and the speedbumps in the mall parking lots and school pickup line. Some may even have to drive over a curb and onto the lawn when the owner needs to make room in the driveway for guests while holding a BBQ in their suburban cul de sac.
Ahhh yes the dude with the Honda Ridgeline talking crappola, love it.
@@Crimsontide1694 I've owned the rest, started in Silverado's, had RAM's (back when they were Dodge Rams), and F150s. I just got real about what I was actually doing with my vehicle. I needed a bed that could haul 4x8 material, I tow a couple atvs and a 20ft boat and a 3800lb camper, and commute to work on winter roads in Wisconsin. Why did I need 10k+ of towing or 4wd to do any of that? The lower insurance cost and 29mpg I am getting on the highway alone were worth the switch.
It's easy to talk shit on the Honda, as you are, but the truth is that many truck buyers are buying capability that they don't use. I off-roaded for years with my dad in shitbox chevy's with manually locking hubs and did just fine, so why would one need these expensive trucks to do the same thing an 80s truck with manual hubs and open diffs could handle? And why buy an off-road specialty vehicle to not off-road? If I wanted to see that, I could be like the lady I work with who has a Wrangler Sahara and didn't even know it had 4wd. She just likes looking like Daisy Duke.
Here’s this guy
@@jg8263 : You're not wrong. People with fragile egos just don't want to hear the truth.
@@oneslackr It is so appropriate you had commented this the other day and brought this comment thread back to my attention. Yesterday night, I saw a prime example at Walmart. Parked there in the -5 degree Northern Wisconsin weather, was a Jeep Wrangler 2dr, with a lift, with a winch, with the "You wouldn't understand..." sticker, the whole shebang of the Jeep "I'm a real off-roader" gear bolted to it. But get this, it was on 22" chrome rims with rubber-band tires (I mean, if there was 2" of sidewall I would be shocked, more like 1.25-1.5")! Yeah, buddy, we all believe you go soooooooo far off-pavement in your Jeep and it totally isn't a pavement princess.
Damn that trailboss is looking good after the refresh
The seats are amazing if you were 6 1/2 feet tall and 250 pounds. It gives you enough room for your whole back width and the rest of your body. Without feeling like you’re getting crushed like in a dodge
Which are you talking about
The duramax will be the only motor I will every buy in my chevy
It’s funny though, when I take my 1999 Silverado out on the trails, I never see any trucks newer than 2010. I know people don’t want to scratch their new shiny trucks, but when you pay so much for all these neat features, you might as well use them lol.
I've always been torn between the f150 and the gmc. The last few generations of the Sierra have really had me looking twice and even after I got my new f150. I can help but feel like I might have liked the gmc more.
Lol I wouldn't be able to choose, the new f150 tremor looks so good and the raptor of course
Just made the switch. Never looking back 😂
Kept my 2010 f150 though because it's still bulletproof
I Loved The ZR2 But The Trail Boss Is Just Enough Both Of Them Are Cheaper Than The AT4X From GMC Because That GMC Is Super Fully Loaded The 6.2L Big Boy V8 & The 3.0L Duramax I6 Are My Favorite Engines With A 10 Speed.
The $45,000 colorado ZR2 is the best off-road truck.
Watch the comparison video uploaded. Both ZR2s performed well but the Silverado had better ground clearance. Not to mention better power
Just so you know GM is having trouble getting out the 6.2L gas engines due to some chip shortages. The 3.0L duramax is available for the at4x now. Idk about the ZR2. I was able to order my AT4X with the duramax.
Love my 6.2 but with these gas prices I would rather have the straight 6 turbo deisel!
AT4X w/ 3.0 Duramax? Really? Was that through the dealer? Not showing as an option on the website.
@@G8GTJav yeah I did it through my dealer. Once I found out I called him and he was able to change my order.
Do you have it yet?
@@TheDeanGullberry unfortunately no. My truck has been sitting in order waiting for GM to pick up since may. I changed the engine option about 2 weeks ago.
I bought the trail boss simply because of the diesel. Got 39.3mpg best and 37.1mpg average last weekend on a trip to Yellowstone. The 14 and 16mpg nonsense in the gas engines just doesn’t cut it.
I’m just afraid of the expense of filters and maintenance of a diesel. Is it that much of a difference?
You need 1000 miles of range?
How can you care that much about fuel when you paid $30k too much for a truck
Tommy and Andre are your best reviewers. Keep them doing the reviews. Good comparison. I went with GMC elevation with 3.0 max towing bigger rear end.
Finally got my ZR2 Silverado, super happy with it so far! Just picked it up today, Saturday
Update? I've got an F250 with death wobble, thinking of trading it in for a zr2.
@@ryanlaroche5103 it's amazing but if you'll certainly be driving another sized truck than your F250, it really just needs an exhaust to make the truck better, the factory is a 2 to 1 to 2 and has a dumb flap for the cylinder deactivation right outside of the muffler. Taken it on a bunch of trails and put 35's on it, absolutely in love with the truck
Funny how people kept saying the price of these 3 are the same as TRX are Raptor so they would go with those; this is simple not case. There is a 10 to 20k difference between the GM vehicles similarly equipped.
Tommy, I would like to see ride quality/comfort on and off road difference between the Denali with adaptive ride control vs AT4X with multimatic shocks.
I like the red tow hooks. If you’re thinking about functionality, red is a lot easier to find in mud than black. White or orange is also not a bad option.
I have a 2020 AT4 6.2 and I like it. Even better I bought it when there were big incentives and used the employee discount.
Order range technologies plug in to obd get rid of 2468 chit you're trans and engine will be happy
I don't know how it wasn't mentioned that this is the first Silverado in decades to not feature the bar splitting the lights. That is a decent part of why people rally around the Z71 badge in the first place, and the reason GM had the finances to try to develop a ZR2 a few times. The trail boss has a better approach and departure angle during real world testing, without a measuring tape, than the raptpr and the rebel. Please quit trying to compare the TrailBoss to the raptor and ZR2. It's not meant to compete with either of them.
My 2021 zr2 is best investment in a truck I done in some time..love it
I have wanted a trail boss since it came out. Wished they had one with the Duramax. Last week I finally got a used Z71 3.0 and now see GM FINALLY got around to a Diesel engine choice for the Trail Boss. My timing sucks..
Just put a 2 inch lift on your truck and upgraded tire and boom you got a trail boss.
Gmc was too lazy to change the front end on the at4x compared to the at4. They should have made similar ground clearance compared to the zr2
I wish they would offer the electronic lockers on the Trail Boss. I don't need the better departure angles and multimatic shocks. And still be cheaper than a ZR2 with equal options. I think that would sell well.
the trailboss should at least come with a selectable rear locker. Enough of that auto locking differential.
So… I need an AT4X with the ZR2 lower bumper, skids, tires and the Trail Boss Duramax 3.0L.
My thoughts exactly. So far I own the duramax LT and I am telling you I love this engine. I would love the ZR2 but as long as they do not bring it into duramax engines I will never be interested other than the Trailboss.
I like the Trailboss, but went with the LTZ Z71 when I bought in 2019. Funny thing is that the real ground clearance is better, because the tires are about a half an inch taller in the LTZ vs the Trail boss. I actually use the folding mirrors, automatic deploying running boards, ventilated seats, exterior door unlock from passenger doors, blind spot indicators and like the power passenger seat and heated rear seats for the family, and I actually use the automatic up on the tailgate a lot. When hands are full, you can nudge it with your knee and it goes up. I use that feature a lot. Also, although Chevy didn’t make the trim level differences that obvious, when you get in a Trailboss you can see the materials are way different, like leatherette dash and door panels and accents are different. And back then I paid $47k out the door. So my money would go to the ZR2, except for the 6.2. It just has so many really cool features and taller tires, suspension and front and rear manual locker. Maybe with the duramax if they offered it. The 5.3 is a great motor with plenty of power. I think tow capacity and payload is actually higher with the smaller engine. Tommy, why didn’t you compare the towing and payload by looking at the nifty door jam stickers? Great video idea. Thanks
Great pick. Good you didn't sell yourself short with less options. No one has mentioned how they took out the A/C port in the refreshed models. The crazy thing is it's only available in the lower trim levels that's ass backwards.
@@MansaX Do you mean the home plug 🔌? I didn’t notice that. I have used that as well, However, gadgets are now using lightning plugs instead of USB. The way my truck is, even with the auto deploying running boards that swing all the way to the bed, it has a payload of over 1700lbs. This is really useful when I load it up and haul a camper. And the 5.3 is strong enough without having to use premium
@@J26-e6g yes, it's not in the higher trim levels of the refreshed model
@@MansaX Dang! I guess that makes sense, people always seem to get mad when companies make money, but I don’t. GM does a good job with cutting costs. Ultimately that allows them to become a better company, and to give us better products at better price points. I had cross shopped my truck with Ram, Toyota and Ford and nobody could beat the price and value. $47k is nothing for an new LTZ Z71 5.3 with automatic High Country trim running boards. My truck has given me zero problems, with now 40k miles.
If GMC offered the 3.0 diesel in the AT4x it would be the perfect truck. As it is with 6.2 it is a deal changer that I can’t accept. Hopefully GMC will offer engine choices in the future.
Completely agree. Adding locking differentials to the at4/trail boss with the 3.0 option would be a decent compromise
You probably know by now, but if not, for 2023 the ZR2 could be had with the 3.0 diesel.
The trail boss that they have on this review in Canada is $75k plus tax and destination the ZR2 is $79k plus tax and destination the at4x is $87k plus tax and destination roughly; very expensive.
TFL owned a Trailboss for a year it was shown to he extremely capable. If you are a real overlander the Trailboss with the diesel is the only choice.
My 2002 LT Z71 with every option was $37,600 and still runs perfect @ 205,000mi. Nice looking trucks, I test drove a AT4 last year and it was huge boat, it's not for me.
The worsened the approach angle on the standard Trail Boss so the offroad guys will upgrade to the Zr2, smart move to make the Trail Boss look better and make more money! Nice strategy for GM 😎
I just love the look of the GMC especially with the Duramax
Best interior quality for a GM truck ever!!! Still not to RAM'S standard, but definitely competitive with Ford and Toyota! Great job! Need better seats though in the mid grade Silverados and below and THEY HAVE TO FIX THE TRANSMISSION AND ELECTRICAL RELIABILITY ISSUES THAT THEY'VE HAD FOR A WHILE BEFORE PEIPLE START CROSSING OVER FROM OTHER BRANDS! Oh and in the ZR2 for a 67k truck it has MANUAL ADJUSTMENT for the steering wheel!??? Come on GM!! That's low rent!
I trusted Chevrolet right out college in 1993 when I dropped over 20k USD on a Blazer S10 Tahoe! It turned out to be the worst decision I ever made. The truck was a lemon right out of the lot from the dealership. It came with defective front shocks that ruined a pair of Wrangler radials. Then the heating system sprung a leak, it blew a head gasket, shorted the electrical system, the digital instrument cluster went out multiple times over the lifetime of the vehicle, every nut and bolt rattled in the truck especially the rear hatch. In short that was the worst purchase of my life. The next vehicle I purchased was a 1998 Ford Taurus GL that actually worked well for a good number of years. But then I decided to try Toyota and I never looked back. Toyota has been my most reliable car ever. Right now I own two of them a 2005 Tacoma SR5 TRD Sport and a 2016 4Runner SR5. Neither has given me any serious problems. What's more everyone in my family owns a Toyota now and they have all had the same experience. As far as Chevy goes I can only have this to say. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me! I never gave GM another chance!
Great review! I went with the ZR2!! I traded in my trail boss ('19)
Just pulled the trigger on a 2023 ZR2.
The interior is a huge improvement over the last model
I just was thinking about the differences the other day and boom this video. It’s like you read my mind!
Custom Trailboss. The ZR2 is nice but I'm not sure that leather seats, the 6.2 V8 and selectable lockers are worth the nearly $20k premium.
same here id go with the custom diesel , like the Chevrolet name in the grille
You missed quite a few things on that list of differences between a custom trail boss and the ZR2.......more factory lift, bigger tires, special bumpers, skid plates, wheel opening trim, different front control arms, much better shocks and a host of other amenities on the interior that make up the 20k price increase.
@@captainrawn eh. It's a cost of diminishing returns. Sure, it has a few extras that the Trailboss doesn't, but the TB is gonna do about 90% (or more) of what the ZR2 does, from the factory. And the average person needs to ask themselves, does it make it worth it? For most people, that answer is no.
@@backwoodstherapy Thanks for the reply.
I think your correct that the Trail Boss will be what most people will buy and use for a variety of reasons. It will off road the same up to the point where the extra ground clearance and selectable lockers take over on the ZR2. I recently purchased a ZR2 in desert sand color to "try it out". Should get it in early July. Like many people I drive mostly on road but there is one place that we camp where I pull my trailer through rough bush mountain roads and use 4WD low with the rear axle locked on my 2015 F350 with 35's on it. Up and down steep grades and through some mud at times out there. Let's just say I use all the tools it has under those circumstances. I'm very curious to see how this new truck handles that scenario. I'm in my 60's and have never owned a new GM truck. Never liked the interiors until now. Had mostly Fords in my lifetime and have been generally happy with them. I looked at the Tremor, Rebel, Trail Boss, and AT4 and decided that neither of them would be good enough to get me there and back under those circumstances. I also have a very capable 2005 Tacoma with lockers, a lift and 32's but it can't pull a trailer. This new ZR2 just might replace it. If the truck is any good and they offer it with a 3 liter diesel I would order one soon as it was available.
Cheers
Custom does not have the refreshed interior! Still the same ol ugly dated interior they have now. That alone makes it a No Go!!! i went with a 6.2 TB loaded.
At4 always wins for me. The best looking front end they made so far
Next step is to compare all 3 of these at the Tumbleweed Ranch. Same course, same day.
Wish that zr2 could be had with the duramax. Love that thing
You probably know by now, but if not, for 2023 the ZR2 could be had with the 3.0 diesel.
@@shaglioni dream truck
Takeaway: the at4x is a waste of money. 10k more, smaller tires, less ground clearance, ugly redesigned grille for ‘22, and the only “luxury” feature is more leather. Zr2 seems to be a MUCH better option.
The grille is just my opinion, I like the ‘19-‘21 front end much better
I want them to make a Work truck trim with zr2 suspension. Vinyl floors 4x4 and a rear locker no other options needed. Would sell like hotcakes. Offer all engine options as well
Good job by Tommy today.
Very good general review on all trucks, definitely agree at the end when explaining what to look for when choosing which truck fits people best 👍🏼
Both the At4x and ZR2 need to have the diesel as an option. AT4x would work better with the same front end as ZR2 but with it’s unique interior. Zr2 needs a more efficient engine or a larger gas tank and a lotto win to fill it with gas.
I’m mostly excited to find out more about the midsize segment though. I don’t need or want anything as big as the full size vehicles. Wish there were credible rumours of a hybrid on the new Colorado, Ranger or Taco.
The 23 Colorado’s will have the 2.7 turbo 4 cylinder so no need for a hybrid really
@@mikemissouri5152 Agreed but I’d still love a system like the Ford Hybrid specifically the pro power aspect. Tie that in with a smaller engine and truck in a ZR2 trim that’d be interesting. Go to unusual places and have the flexibility to power a few things.
It was just announced that the ZR2 is going to come with the diesel option for 2024!
The only bad thing is the price will probably increase by 10 percent!
The new Silverado zr2 Bison was just announced can’t wait
The zr2 is sick af! The color is not bad either! Also good job tommy and not being such a nerd in this video!
They better still have column shifts in something going forward.
they do in lower trim models WT thru to the SLT i think
I would go with the little brother the Colorado zr2 you get more bang for your buck it’s cheaper just as capable and it is narrower and can fit down most trails unlike these expensive trucks.
Diesel or gas???
AT4X all day
Always loved GMC. However, the Sierra I have now is a 1500 and I'll never buy another 1500 again. 2500 HD or up. That is where GM has built a proper truck that won't break and fall apart after only 40K miles like my has.
Also the AT4X has massage sets for long drive.
I’m new to the truck game , my background is Honda vehicles! I love the reliability and longevity of Honda vehicles . My question since I’m considering a Silverado, how reliable are these 5.3 v8’s with the 8 speed transmission. Would it last a long time as Honda do?
5.3 has been around a long time and is a very reliable engine.
Good engine? Yes. Last as long as a Honda? No.
GM has been known to have good transmissions.
The 5.3 is a really good engine...as long as you find a way to delete the cylinder deactivation stuff. It's arguably as reliable as Toyota's 4.6 V8, or the 5.7. The 8 speed automatic transmission? If it's not a ZF8HP transmission I can't tell.
But a Ridgeline or a Tacoma. Avoid Chevys like the plague!
@@somecarnet thank you for that .
I like that ZR2 in desert tan - looks great!
Good job with the review Tommy...you guys are the pros at truck vids!
I've owned a 14, 15 and 17 Chevy 1500 LTZ's, all of the driver's seats suck. They seem to break down in the butt area pretty quickly. I never had more than 35,000 miles on any of the three. I'm not a huge guy but not tiny either, about 240-250lbs.
It is incredible to hear someone talking about the price of a new vehicle and say 76 thousand like it’s nothing and gas prices over 5 a gallon and the paycheck still where it is makes me appreciate the person that’s gonna buy that beast and never off road it keeps it meticulous gets all the right options the right shade low miles and shine the blue oval then in 5 years sells it at a very reasonable price to me I can’t wait, and I have always wondered why Chevy has not ever made a truck that would directly take on the Raptor GMC in whole has always seemed so meat and potatoes but I will say this I love the look of their new trucks
Will TFL ever fix their audio issues? Find out next time!
Who’s buying these things at $60k or $70k+?
I could write a check for one of these trucks if I wanted, but that doesn’t mean I can actually afford it.
I still don’t think the towing capacity is enough on any of those trucks my mother-in-law weighs 600 pounds I wouldn’t want to abuse any vehicle that way
Ah, so like when Sugar said to the gestation clerk in No country for old men: “so, you married into this”
ZR2 for me as well
Trx raptor r or the power wagon would be my choices for offroad if moneys no option lol
Can you notice a difference in handling while cruising down the freeway at 80 mph? My ‘21 Trail Boss tracked extremely well. My ‘23 ZR2 seems to wander slightly. Additionally, the Trail Boss seemed to have better throttle response and acceleration which makes no sense considering they both have the same 6.2 engine and transmission. Overall I was more pleased with the Trail Boss than I am with the ZR2. Any thoughts?
This is very interesting to hear. My wife has a 20' Trail Boss with the 5.3, and we're entertaining switching to a Ford Tremor, Ram Rebel, and I was telling her to keep in mind the ZR2. We test drove the Rebel and that was more comfortable than the Tremor. With the seat comfort and ride comfort. But that was with very short distances. There is a part of me where I think we would need to take a longer ride in the Rebel, as well as with the Tremor, as I felt like it was "loose" feeling in the rear in the Rebel. So with your comment, the ZR2 has the multimatic, DSSV suspension, but with leaf springs, and it feels more loose. The ram with coil suspension might feel similar in the loose feeling. Has me thinking that maybe the Tremor would be the best onroad and with very capable offroad capabilities. In this segment, Rebel, Tremor, ZR2, even Trailboss with the 6.2, and Sierra ATX4, is a very tough decision.
Nice review hitting points others haven’t reviewed
90% of the people who buy "offroad" packages don't ever see much more than gravel road.
It looks cool....
Shit most guys who have big lifts never see dirt.
Having owned the 6.2L ,which gave me nothing but problems(lifters n pushrods) and running premium I can't say I would own one again.
The small gas tanks.....wtf GM get with the times.
Finally a nice interior tho.....except for guys complaining about seats.
GM hasn't changed the V8s in years.....maybe they will get to it someday.....or heaven forbid put a twin turbo v6 in like everyone else is:)
Agree on all points, but I think the small gas tanks is a sign of the times, since many pumps only allow $100 in gas at a time if you pay at the pump via debit, they figured out how much a tank could be filled with $100 at current and anticipated fuel prices! LOL.
Lifts aren't all about dirt. Some places get snow, too.
And I can get over 600 miles per tank with my 3.0. Why do I need a bigger gas tank?
@@gogofastful Shut up cityboy.
@@elonmust7470 jealous because you don't live near the mountains?
Excellent explanation , awesome video 📹 👏 👍 👌...really help me out to make my mind on which to be buying by April 2023.....
I'm glad you mentioned the price...
Thanks again.......
I love my ZR2! It will go anywhere! I don’t think AT4X is worth extra money. All you are really missing is a seat massager in ZR2 and that’s not worth $8K
The at4x also has massaging seats. So the at4x isn't lifted? So what's the point of having just a at4 in the line up?
Love that Red on the GMC
You guys should do a video on the Silverado Blacklake XT1 build from Blacklake Research & Development and explain why it cost $250,000. Or compare it to the PaxPower Jackal.
ZR2 all the way
I’d like to see the screen straight ahead with heads-up display for speed. It’s a flaw to look over to the side rather than straight ahead.
I don’t think Chevy did enough with the ZR2 in my opinion. It’s still a sweet truck though.
2024 Now has the Duramax 3.0 Turbo Diesel
Fog lights are at the position on the ZR2 and the AT4X
If you're spending $62k might as well spend $67k and get more options and quality
At4 all day beautiful truck
Would Love to see GM to compete in the small truck Ford Maverick as a Chevy Tracker or GMC Valley. Also Chevy Blazer/GMC Jimmy compete with the Ford Bronco off road
All super nice trucks
You guys have tested every brand made. You also live in a state that salts the roads. Is the Aluminum Ford trucks holding up better? I also live in a state that salts roads are least 2 times a week. Most 2004-09 f-150’s are heavily rusted at this point.
I’ve not seen any issues with the aluminum. But I’ve also not seen as many salt rust issues in the GM and Ram pickups. Is this just chance or are Gm and Ram better at rust inhibitor applications on their trucks?
These are huge investments. It’s time for me to buy new but I need a truck that will last 15 years without rusting through. I do keep my trucks clean. I always touch up chips in paint etc. But I have had mixed results with rust underbody treatments.
The bolsters in the AT4X can be inflated in the massaging seats menu
I still can’t comprehend why GM gave the Sierra no meaningful external upgrades…while the Chevy gets a “Flowtie” and an awesome off-roading bumper. The sierras bumper is shared throughout the whole lineup
My favorite human being tommy
GREAT OFF ROAD TESTING!...
They need to put a steering wheel similar to the new Colorado/canyon. Current one is too thin
You forgot to mention that the seats in the AT4X are messaging
The answer is NONE of them…they need at least 150 HP more to be in the ballpark with competitors. Not just cost as much
Truck makers have got to stop putting 20" wheels on trucks marketed as being intended for off-road duties. No off-road branded truck should ever come with wheels larger than 18". You need more tire and less wheel to soak up the bumps and dips and prevent the wheels from getting bent should the vehicle unexpectedly drop on a big rock.
Truck makers need to understand, there is a difference between pretending to be truly off-road ready and actually being it. No one should have to pay the high prices of the F-150 Raptor Or Dodge TRX for common sense features. They can build trucks with ONLY what is needed and let those flagship trucks exist for their purpose.
I like chrome so I'll keep looking.
THE WORD DIESEL DOES NOT HAVE A Z IN IT!!!! Quit saying deezle!!!
Wow that helped me. I'm in the market.
Love all 3 can't afford any of the 3
The sound level from the microphone is too low. If you add a hiss and a couple of filters - the video will look like shot in the 60-70s of the last century.
I think the AT4X would be bought by those who want to FEEL like they are outdoorsy off-roaders but not actually go off road. $76k is a lot of money. I have a 2021 trailboss custom $41k and like that it's simple and comparatively speaking inexpensive.
Your comment does seem fair. I’m getting my At4x on Tues and honestly it was about really loving gmc and wanting the best looking and loaded and for me that’s the x. I don’t go off road much at all. So your right lol
Talk and talk. But this car has no backseat? 4sec to show us the space... But nooooooooooo. UA-camrs show us the backseat we have friends.
So what's the point of the AT4X? Oh, just to have a "luxury" truck that isn't as off road capable as the ZR2 but GM can charge more for it.....got it.