Tim Minchin - Evolution/I Love Jesus REACTION | DaVinci REACTS
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- Опубліковано 19 вер 2024
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Reminds me of something else Tim Minchin says "Science adjusts its views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved"
I probably wouldn’t trust Tim and his skills in science since that’s not how science works. Observation is step one in the scientific method. If scientists adjusted its views based on observation, they’d start believing the Earth was flat.
@@unclecreepy4185 Observation just means raw, ideally objective data collection, which is absolutely the basis of scientific investigation. "Observation" of the movement of the sun, moon, stars, and planets in our sky are what led to our understanding of astronomical phenomena and the shape of the Earth. It's only by ignoring those observations that you can come to the conclusion that the Earth is flat. Obviously rigorous analysis and testing of that raw data is necessary as well, but science does self-adjust based on "observable data".
Uncle Creepy why? The earth doesn't appear flat!
Love Storm
@@unclecreepy4185 really? Trying to assert yourself above the main point here by implying you have some superior understanding of science than Tim Minchin is to miss the whole point of this. A fairly lame response from you.
At any rate, yes the sun looks like it goes around the earth, until you have more powerful observational tools like telescopes. Your problem is that you are using a limited interpretation of the word ‘observation’ to mean using our naked senses to apprehend the world.
The point here is that, given what the modern tools of observation are, as we apprehend the world more accurately and find new information, science is open to changing its mind and adjusting the theory in light of this new information, whereas faith is not. That is the point. But you got lost in your own ego, wanting to ‘correct’ what you saw as an lack of science understanding, however you simply demonstrated your own inability to understand the point being made.
I really enjoyed your account of how you thought your way out of religious belief. Even when you were religious, you clearly had a better sense of morality than what you had been given as gospel truth. I also like the gentle way you explain your views, without anger, contempt or vulgarity.
Thank You
I'm a old Maori living in Australia...mate. I swear like a sailor......when I choose too. Us indigenous know The One Creator more then any Christian ever will. Because we cared for and respected the gifts of life given to us by the same God you believe in. While you Christians keep destroying those gifts with your evil hypocrisy and greed for power. The things that your messiah Jesus fought against.
"Storm" also by Tim Minchin, is a must! :)
I just watched it,and it was good,thank you fir that suggestion! 👍
@@azrael5078 3 minute song is brilliant!! As is "5 poofs and 2 pianos" and "Song for wossy"
STOOOORM!
Oh, I love "Storm"! It was the first work of Tim Minchin's I ever heard, and it has a lot of parts I quote. One of my favorite parts is when in response to the other party saying his faith in science is just as blind as the faith of any fundamentalist, he explains that science adjusts its views based on what's observed while faith is the denial of observation to preserve belief. He uses the example of homeopathy - if it was proved that water had memory he would accept it once you've explained that it works and how.
My favorite
So glad you’ve discovered our Tim. He’s an Australian national treasure. He also wrote the score for the musical Matilda. Roald Dahl.
He's also done a musical adaptation for Groundhog Day as well, with the film's original screenwriter David Ruben writing the script(it was his idea to do this as a musical(in which he even turned to STEPHEN SONDHEIM(Sweeney Todd, Into the Woods, etc. to initially do the score)), and It's really good(it highlights on the both the hilarious and serious parts of the story, with as equally funny and sad songs, and all without making you think about the movie with Bill Murray too much)!
I did the “just read the Bible” thing when I was ten. Prior to this, I was a catholic, went to catholic school, was baptised as a baby, got confirmed and everything.
After just reading it, I was an atheist. And then I talked deeply with my dad about these thoughts I was having. He considered himself a non-practicing catholic. So he believed in god, but he didn’t go to church, and he just didn’t spend much time thinking about it.
After those chats I had with my dad, he was also an out and out atheist. He considers himself a very strong atheist these days (more than 20 years after I “converted” him). I didn’t intend to- it was just a thing that my parents always encouraged me to research and think deeply about things, and to talk those things over with them. Mum though, she was always non religious. She didn’t believe in anything, but also never gave much thought to it. She never went to church growing up, neither of her parents were particularly religious. Unlike my dad, whose mum was a very devout Irish Catholic.
But still- “just reading it”. Yeah, it works. It also gave me nightmares. It’s not a book I’d recommend for a ten year old. Very violent. And some super screwed up stuff in there, like offering your daughters to a mob to be raped. Just, so screwed up.
I had talks with my Dad about this too, but he was a pastor and I was completely alone in my struggle. My life as a child was rooted in religious doctrine. It never really stops scaring me and I agree that reading it is a big part of it falling apart for a critical thinker.
I read it whilst bed-ridden with gastrointestinal issues... same result.
Sunday School is so insidious because they just portion out the little nice bits to kids. I too read the Bible on my own when I was 10, and was absolutely shocked and appalled. There certainly wasn't much in there that I expected to find in the 'Good Book,' by its reputation.
I was lucky enough to be at that concert. Have seen Tim live quite a few times now. He never disappoints. Such a genius.
Christianity = The story of a god who required himself to sacrifice himself to himself in order to appease himself. LOL
Problem? 😊
god never sacrificed himself
@@cyrus2728 Christians believe that God, the son of God- Jesus, and The Holy Spirit are all one in a way, so in that sense they do believe that he (sexist pronoun use in religion :( like God is male) sacrificed himself.
...But it’s your fault that it went wrong.
Clare Gonzalez yeah he’s not confused he’s just being obtuse because he believes one of the Abrahamic religions the don’t acknowledge Jesus.
It’s a guy calling bullshit on your calling bullshit on some bullshit he thinks is bullshit
You really need to react to his song "Thank You God" it's my favourite song of his. Not only is it musically and lyrically wonderful, but it's hilarious and makes such a good point in regards to some of the things you've discussed in this video.
God is a social construction or metaphorical concept. Most believers aren't comfortable with that, though, and faith simply does not stand up in the face of scientific scrutiny. Believing in something does not make it true.
Truth is not subjective or democratic. It does not need belief to make it work. Gravity, for example, works the same whether you have faith in it or not. You do not need to choose to believe in gravity because it's an immutable fact of the universe.
Faith is often lauded as a positive quality, but it is, in fact, very intellectually lazy. Faith precludes scientific thinking and the natural wonder of discovery; it stops people from searching for answers to questions about the real world. Faith is little more than the glorification of willful ignorance.
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You don't think lightning will strick us ,for knowing the truth- do you?😊🌈
Spot on.
There are different ways of knowing things. You're describing intellectual, rational "factual" thinking and knowledge. You can also know/believe something in your heart and gut that can't be proved objectively. Belief in something means it is true - for you and only you. That's why they call it a personal faith.
Bethany Hunt But that doesn’t give that person a right to dictate how other people should live & what laws should be passed. Personal faith cannot be proven. If your feelings cause you to judge others, or think yourself above them because you have some unexplainable feeling in your gut, you seriously need to check yourself.
If that’s what you think faith is about, then you have the wrong understand of faith. Faith is the opposite of being lazy.
Faith is going to the light switch and turning it on because you believe it will turn on the lights. You don’t know that it will, but you have faith. What if unbeknownst to you, the power was out, or the bulb burnt out? But that’s exactly what science is. Science never sets out to prove anything (nor can it ever prove anything since it’s impossible to test every situation to validate a hypothesis). Science’s job is to explain what we observe through testing. Faith too explains things through testing. That’s why a true religion never teaches “blind faith”. That’s what cults teach.
You are one of the most intelligent reactors on YT. Thanks!
From what I can gather, Evolution is both a theory and a fact. The Theory of Evolution just explains HOW it is a fact.
I realise you posted this 10 months ago but I would say that the Theory of Evolution is the story that links all the facts we know about evolution together. The facts don't change but the Theory could and has as we learn more facts about evolution.
A theory is the highest form of scientific certainty almost akin to a mathematicsl proof
Unproven theories are hypothesis
A hypothesis that is proven to work is a theory
Yep. A theory is an accepted explanation of a set of currently known facts. It is always open to change. Theories evolve.
Just like gravity.
Theory DOES NOT EQUAL FACT..
stop saying Theories are Scientifically Proven.
When a Theory is Proven it is upgraded to a Fact or Law..!
Aww, I was expecting the story about Tony, when I read "Tim Minchin - Evolution." That's a great one too.
Tony the fish! I love Tony. Fucking Tony.
"That's what the renaisance crew is all about..."
Oh you are going to regret that when you see where Tim goes!
My mother always used to say “ i may not agree with what you say but i will fight to the death your RIGHT to say it.”
'Dark Side" by Tim Minchin! It is seriously gold
YAY. Tim Minchin is a genius. My opinion of course
it is a fact,don t worry,You re right ;)
Thank you, sir! This is almost the exact same way I came to my beliefs! I sought to be the best Christian I could be. I read the Bible front to back, TWICE in a row. It took me over two years. I worked hard on understanding it. I’ve never met a practicing Christian that can convincingly argue the Bible with me. Reading it made me an atheist! And it broke my heart to leave my former life behind.
I’m sorry to hear that, I hope you will start to feel better soon. Do reach out and make contact with others who can support you , rather than pillory you for your honesty and integrity.
You should definitely react to the The Good Book by Tim x
Yes now
Regarding the "right to say it": I am a veteran, and even I would fight for the Westboro Baptist Church's right to freedom of expression. You know what came out of that fiasco? The Patriot Guard Riders. A group of motorcyclists that get between the protesters and the funeral. They hold up so many flags that those grieving cannot see them. They rev their engines loud enough that the grieving cannot hear them.
A right to say something AT other people should never be a right to overrule other peoples right for peace and quiet during difficult times such as a funeral. You should be able to call the police to get picketers removed in the same way you would call the police to remove people having a random concert on the road outside of a cemetery so loud that you cant hear what you are thinking.
I am a massive Tim Minchin fan, which is how I stumbled across your channel. I am glad, you’re great
I think, that if you read Terry Prattchet "Small Gods", you'd like it.
or any of the disc world books! terry had such an amazing sense of humour :D
He did. And ofcourse all of his Disc World books are great, but Small Gods about religion.
Wouldn't really make for a great react video though, 10 hours of some bloke reading a book! ;)
@@thatdrewrivers True, but he can do a review. Pratchett's Discworld should NOT be missed.
I think around 6:18 you were trying to point out the difference between a theory and a hypothesis. A major difference between the two being that a theory is supported by much more eveidence and has been substantiated by independent tests.
Not really. A hypothesis is a prediction you're making before you make an experiment (very simplistic example: an apple would go "down" if we drop it). Law is a description on what's happening, almost always accompanied by a simple mathematical equation (e.g. the apple would go down at ~9.8m/s² i.e. Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation). A scientific theory is an explanation of why something's happening (the bending of spacetime fabric caused by the Earth made the apple fall to its centre i.e. Einstein's General Theory of Relativity).
Of course, this usually means that for something to be a credible scientific theory, several laws are usually required for it to form in the first place (can't describe how something happens if you don't really know what's happening), hence the understandable misunderstanding that theories requires rigorous testing and insurmountable evidence for it. This isn't really true though. There have been scientific theories in the past that would be ridiculous to most scientist today studying the specific branch of science it's concerned with.
Just want to clear this up since I have seen so many people make this mistake.
Thank God I’m an atheist 🤣 I’m so glad I use compassion , empathy and what feels right and wrong to be a good person x
i find that people in general all over, regularly confuse a theory with a hypothesis
"And they might just float the fuck away" is still one of the best things I've ever heard.
A scientific theory is an explanation of something in the natural world that can be tested and verified repeatedly in accordance with scientific method, using accepted protocols of observation, measurement, and evaluation of results.
I had to google this tho I knew 5he definition I just dint know how to write it 😂
CapuletRose yup. Theories are the best, most reliable explanations we have currently. And the beautiful part about science is if we find new information that makes them unreliable we will drop them. Unlike faith which is denying evidence to preserve preexisting beliefs
Understanding something is more important than being able to explain it. We all have different shills.
It is exactly like shifting the dodgy priest two parishes over. Nice summary of intelligent design.
The evangelical argument you described is called "the god of the gaps." I don't know how it happened so God did it.
Also know as
“ Argument From Ignorance “
Thank you for this, and for pointing out that a theory is not the same thing as a hunch, which in turn is not the same thing as a belief, each having their own distinct value and uses, but certanly not being synonymous, or even vaguely equivalent to each other.
“I do not agree with the things that you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it” -FDR
I was a science teacher in Australia for a good while. There was a lunatic Hillsong mum that lost her shit and went on about how alternative theories need to be taught. Apparently teaching them that angular momentum and fat bottomed girls are competing, equally valid ideas as to what keeps the rockin world go round. Meet me here next week for more career advice. 😂😂😂
Tim's material on evolution can be found by searching for Tony the Fish.
Tim is the master of crowd-control
Good to have on a raid
You have no idea how talented Tim is. He composed 11 movie soundtracks to include, "Matilda".
Love you dude Devon, you're speaking the truth. Respond to Tim Michin White in The Sun please x
Tom means "White Wine in the Sun" ua-cam.com/video/fCNvZqpa-7Q/v-deo.html . It's beautiful. I love how Tim Minchin can take you from side-splitting comedy to deep, deep feels. #davincireacts
A scientific theory is different in that it is a theory that is consistently proven to be true
Science proceeds by disproof not by proof. Scientific theory, like Michelangelo’s ‘David’, is simply what remains when we have eliminated everything else.
Thanks for the love for us Aussies! I like your channel
You've recently taken some great advice with your requests. This guy is brilliant. Better than than teeny US version of him.
Tim Minchin wrote the music and lyrics to Matilda the Musical, Matilda the Musical is a stage musical based on the 1988 children's novel of the same name by Roald Dahl. It was adapted by Dennis Kelly, with music and lyrics by Tim Minchin. The musical's narrative centres on Matilda, a precocious 5-year-old girl with the gift of telekinesis, who loves reading, overcomes obstacles caused by her family and school, and helps her teacher to reclaim her life. After a twelve-week trial run staged by the Royal Shakespeare Company (RSC) at Stratford-upon-Avon from November 2010 to January 2011, it received its West End premiere on 24 November 2011 at the Cambridge Theatre and its Broadway premiere on 11 April 2013 at the Shubert Theatre.
Matilda has received widespread critical acclaim and box-office popularity, winning seven 2012 Olivier Awards, including Best New Musical-at the time, the most such awards ever won by a single show
Hey dude. I appreciate your rationality. Keep up the good work, and keep laughing.
Tim is a brilliant mind
Nice thing about this reaction is that you know it's real. He clearly didn't know the f***ots line was coming.
It's a master piece
please do The Good Book by Tim Minchin
Congrats on being part of the correct 10% buddy ;) Welcome to the club.
Just discovered your channel. Love it! 😁
Such great and insightful stuff. I thought this was just a reaction to fun comedy video. Yes! Didn’t expect but i was glad i stumbled on it.
Love your perspective! Keep the videos coming!
I totally agree about the middle ground vanishing.
Love your work mate
Just found your channel loving the content so far! Thank you for sharing
I like the fact the that you respect free speech but that also you acknowledge that people are entitled to a different opinion.
Nice reaction video. Love the fact that you give a full analysis, instead of just reacting. Trully a renaissance man~
I think I probably commented on this video somewhere, but rolling back around to it... I just want to say respect for doing this reaction. Tons of people avoid this kind of stuff like the plague for fear of pissing off the religious.
hey mate, new subscriber here. Came for Tim Minchin, but stayed for your style/knowledge. Keep it up bro.
Lova ya man thanx
Tim Minchin = Genius!! 👏👏🇦🇺👏👏👏❤️❤️
Watching you muse on the Bible and the possibilities of god has been so enjoyable. Thanks for this. I don’t challenge anything you’ve shared here. ‘Just want to show you some appreciation.
Thanks - 👍lovin the commentary 🖤
Everyone has a right to an opinion, you are correct. But not all opinions are equal.
Matty Rose intersting point of view! Why dont you think all opinions are equal?
@@artistbychoice2861 There are some opinions which are factually incorrect. "The Earth is flat", for example, is not an opinion which is equal in value, if you consider that truth has a positive value, to one which states that the Earth is an oblate spheroid.
There are many, many examples of opinions which are not equal in value. I'm sure that you can think of a few yourself.
Matty Rose yes.. but that is to put an opinion against a fact. Fact is: earth is round, an opinion can never trumph facts.. but your opinion is always worth as much as mine :) .. and try to ignore bad spelling and bad grammar on my part.. i am old and swedish .. i do my best
@@artistbychoice2861 Your spelling and grammar are fine.
Here are two opinions;
"Owning slaves is a good thing, both for the owner and the slave."
"Owning slaves is abhorrent and dehumanising."
Would you say that those opinions are equal?
As to the flat earth, look around UA-cam and you will find that people do hold that opinion.
My opinion is that they are idiots :)
Matty Rose thank you 💕 yes i do see your point. God knows how many times i wanted to poke someones eyes out just because they are rasists or just.. dumb. But opinions are just a opinions, and the freedom of opinions are important.. but i see your point
Tim minchin also write Matilda and ground hog day he’s also played Judas is jcs and he’s a comedian 👏
Awesome reaction! I feel the renascence crew!
I actually love your reviews.
Love your intelligence and perspective... I just had to Subscribe!
Thanks and welcome
THANK YOU for articulating those things that I myself have trouble putting into words regarding the troubles with religion (any religion). Also, thank you for being an American voice of reason (building your arguments off of facts and not accepting feelings as a sort of stand in for factual information), as a Swede I feel the need to diversify my view of Americans and you help me there. So thank you and keep up the good work -and the good spirit 💕
Love Tim Minchin, intelligence giving joy on so many levels. The indigenous world never needed Christianity nor "America " to know angels (a word definition of our spiritual knowledge of entities outside our earthly plane). Americans at present, or before, is definitly Not the Centre of the World. Never has been. Sorry, Not. Get over yourselves. Peace, be safe.
In court I.D. was called, "Creationism in a lab coat" because it was virtually identical (and identically unsupported) to creationism lol
Good talk. Thanks!
I like your approach on religion. You speak your mind and explain your opinion without forcing an agenda. Most atheists seem to always insult those who choose to believe.. but you don’t and I like that. I’m the type of person that I don’t care what someone believes (who am I to tell someone what to believe) as long as it doesn’t bring harm to others or force an agenda then I’m cool with it.
I'm really liking your perspetive, serious
maybe its cause you love Michin so much-- but I wish I wasnt 52, raised in the Reagan 80's (great for music- not for truth). thank god for 18 yr olds and 14 yr old girls who make you see the world as they do. AND THEY will be here after me. All that to say YOU are a good guy and really speak well, and REAL. I want real before true or false. GL
Great stuff, Devon. I'm really glad I found your channel - liked and subbed. : )
Nice, thank you!
Gained my sub because you didnt allow your opinion to be dictated by a popular/agreeable position.
You're awesome, keep up the good work
insert George Carlin here.... "so what about the divine plan?" lmfao.
Your description of how you rationalized what didn’t make sense to you in the Bible sounded very familiar. I came up with almost exactly the same rationalizations as a kid in Catholic school. It wasn’t until I was in my early 20’s that I finally came to the conclusion that the Bible was no more than another mythology. It was a photo printed in National Geographic taken by the Hubble space telescope that finally did it for me. They magnified a tiny section of one of the photos that appeared to be empty space. It revealed a scene filled with dozens of galaxies. If we were the culmination of god’s work, one tiny planet in one tiny solar system in one galaxy among billions, how do you explain how the rest came to be?
Tim makes you think
Yes, lot of people don't understand that it's okay to attack ones ideas. It's not attacking the person. They take those attacks personally and quickly shut down the conversation.
You rock. 👏 🙂
Oh man the amount of people i ran into in COLLEGE that either believed in creation or leaned into intelligent design... America is fucking nuts.
If anyone ever questions Evolution tell them to discuss this with Bacteria and Viruses. Because they sure have a solid opinion on Evolution. They are balsa at it.
I don't know why it's so hard to admit that we don't know where the universe came from. That's why we have science, and scientists working on it.
Im subbed, and might even create a twitter just to sub there. Im really enjoying these reaction videos.
It's the LAW of gravity
FYI, showing the back of your fingers when doing the "peace" sign you did at the end is "fuck you" in British.
I think you mean to explain the difference between a theory and an hypothesis... but you get it....
Search him on UA-cam as Judas Iscariot! Genius all the way around.
I would like to relate my experience with religion. I can remember from an early age-about 4 going to church and then following, going to catchism.
We didn't vo all the time,but it was enough to ingrain these beliefs in a young boys mind.
My mother was pretty much raised in a Catholic school for wayward young girls,and I think this had a influence on how she raised her kids. Her sister would divorce from the uncle I knew when I was 3-4 years old ,she left that marriage when I was 4 and remarried to a guy who was a Baptist Minister ,and she became quite the zealot,thankfully she didn't vusut too often,and wound up moving to Florida from Michigan some years later.
Besides that we, would have an elderly neighbor from three houses up the block as a babysitter,and she would bring over her bible and read us stories and other passages from it as entertainment,further ingraining a belief in what it said-she was a pleasant person,but firm,so unlike my aunt,whom I couldn't stomach much-whose name, by the way, was Maryelnn(the name Mary stood out to me). Is with all that said, I distinctly remember a day in 2nd grade when we were being tought about evolution, and I found it intriguing, I thought ,"well what about the garden of Eden,
How does all that fit into us evolving from apes,and before that, lower life forms. It got me thinkin,whose telling the truth,they can't both be real-longer story shorter- I'm in my 50's and am a bit miffed at how much guilt was placed on me for wanting the bible to be authentic,only not the part where certain people were destine for a hellish afterlife, because they felt a certain way,and spent a large part of my life trying to rationalize how this could be reality,or if it was.
Then I find out that we share a lot of traits with the animal kingdom from which we actually derive,not some myth story that marks is as born sinners,in need of salvation,because of a original sin that never took place,because we didn't start in a garden of eden,and disobey our creator,who apparently wasn't watching us closely enough to prevent his mistake from heaven from corrupting us.
The bible says something about god not tempting us beyond our ability to resist-in later verses,that is, so what was up in the garden,if he let that happen,to test us . Why the "Hell" wouldn't he have done away with Satan ,so that his social creation would follow suit.
I mean, come on if one of his top angels turned his back on god,then he lets him at us to see if we are able to resist his influence- kindof sounds like a good-Good vs Evil story - and nothing more, except maybe a huge guilt trip- or square one.
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That probably should read like-
"square 1", or from the start.👍
You gotta do Storm by Tim Minchin, you will love it!
Damn, can only subscribe once... well rang the bell this time.
"You can't prove God doesn't exist!"
Well, I also can't prove unicorns don't exist, buuuuut....
hey you should change it from "original" to "modern", then it wont be confusing anymore :p
There'e actually another youtube channel called "Modern Renaissance Man", so that might cause even more confusion. Maybe instead of "modern", he could use "21st Century Renaissance Man". Unless that one has already been used as well.
You like Tim Minchin, Ricky Gervais AND 8 out of 10 cats does countdown??? Marry me.
My roommate in college disbelieved in evolution, claimed the dinosaur bones were deeper in the ground since they are heavy.
"...which is already kind of, you know, weird, but, I mean, yeah, I was about to say we voted for Trump, so there you go." Exactly. It explains a lot. I can see having a great conversation with Devon.
Psst... A "conductor" is the person who "conducts" the orchestra 😘
What you said about "well we voted for Trump" just earned you a subscriber, sir.
Tim Munchin aaahhh, hilarious.
I know I'm late here, but I love the intro.
If someone disproves evolution tomorrow it still doesn't prove a God they still have to prove a God.