@@deviin6996 Priests were already the most sought after and strongest class in pvp. the changes just make them better because their only weakness was being somewhat squishy outside of their dispersion window. it's absurd
@@ATDF1oh okay yeah I agree with that part! Spriests are definitely annoying and strong as fudge. I’m just thinking about the dmg reduction in battlegrounds. As a healer player, it feels much easier to heal players without them dying in 3 globals now
@@highintel6088idk if you played as a healer before this, but if you did, it was extremely infuriating. It was damn near impossible to keep someone alive, shit died way too fast
No more phase 4 talk, let’s make it at least a month without talkin bout the next phase every time. Ppl need to slow down if they don’t want to consume all the content in a week
Really unfortunate it turned out the way it did, but I’m glad people who previously advocated for 20 mans are starting to come around to the fact that larger raid sizes don’t make the game better; tried mentioning this a few times, but seemed to get hit by a louder minority. - As you mentioned and I’m sure will go into more detail with this in your next video, trying to fill a 20 man roster has been very, very difficult. The problems started week 1, even after confirming with each individual person that they can make it, and have not stopped since. - We’ve had people flat out stop playing for a number of reasons, whether they don’t like the phase, real-life, just can’t commit, etc. - As raid/guild leader, I went from having to spend maybe 5 minutes typing in our 10 man group Discord chat, to reaching out to 5-10 people individually on a weekly basis to make sure we’ll have a full group, and even then, someone still misses after they say they’ll be there. - We can no longer manage everything in a group chat; now we have to use our full Discord server again, create tags for both groups (we merged with another guild who’s running a second 20 man so we can combine the two when the awful move of introducing 40 mans comes out), and hope that all 20/40 people actually check Discord enough to see those communications. - PUGs come in and take loot from people who show up every week. - At least 5 of my raiders (not part of my original 10 man) are just playing SOD until new retail content comes out, and they have already confirmed they will be jumping ship when that happens; of course we still give them loot for showing up, but we know it won’t be for long; can’t wait to fill those spots when they’re gone… - Our original 10 man was made up of people who played together for the last 3-5 years. We all know each other very well, many of us go back to some of our first raids together in classic back in September of 2019. Now I have a bunch of people I don’t know I’m trying to manage; I have to learn their habits, their strengths and weaknesses, their general attitudes and whether or not they’re team players, etc. because we now have to rely on these players to clear the content every week. - The constant having to PUG/fill because people miss and the added administration time is causing everyone (especially me as the person dealing with it all) to really start to burn out. I was part of leadership/guild leader from vanilla to the end of Wrath; our Wrath guild finally disbanded in December because it was impossible to fill a raid, so the remaining members moved to SOD full time. I feel this burnout is leading us (and me) down the same path, and eventually we will start to lose core players because the game just isn’t fun anymore/has become too much of a job. I’ve really done my best to have fun this phase, and I honestly feel like I’m enjoying phase 3 and Sunken Temple a lot more than most of my guild, but the writing is definitely on the wall, and if they don’t change directions on raiding soon, I fear a lot of players will quit and trying to recruit/raid will only get that much more difficult.
Well said!!! I’m in the same type of guild (close knit players for years) experiencing exactly the same thing! I am pretty close to quitting. We were planning a guild meetup at Blizzcon
i absolutely hate incursions, they completely ruined the classic leveling experience this phase, they COMPLETELY dumpstered the economy, each phase that has gone on feels less and less like classic, i hope the lvl 60 content brings us back to that classic feel that phase 1 had
Yeah, the only way to get a group for dungeons, is making your own groups and spec tank or healer. And even if you do, there is always that one guy in group that only want to do WO runs...even though you specifically advertised a "full run"
Some of us e joy the fast leveling experience. Why does leveling have to be “an experience “? If you’ve played since actual classic release, you’ve had the “experience” for near 20 years. And if not? Listen. You’re not missing much. It’s leveling. It’s a grind. And any way to make that faster and get me to content that actually matters - bring it on. I don’t want to waste time messing around at lower levels. What? You want me to explore the candles in this cave ? Ohhh. The 20 year old graphics and scenery , so amazing. Please. Give me a break. And for the economy ? People have echoed this ever since the release of P3 - but what did it affect ? Specifically. Because I can gather all my consumables for raid night for under 50g. What else you doing ? What was obliterated ? How did it affect your economy ? But hey! Let’s not mention hunters and classes farming up to 1.2k gold per hour in ST farms or hundreds of gold in ZF farms from mages and hunters, etc. But shoot. That couple hundred gold farmed on the first day, phew. Let’s complain about that.
@@highintel6088 its not since most of it gona be same all stuff. its better to not give players that power because like 60% of people not gona even vote since they play casual so u will never get mayor part of truth just gona get votes from people who are a lot of time online
@@grandecc2567 I don’t think the devs are “shit” that’s a pessimistic take for sure… and if even 10% of the community thinks like you do then you just solidify why I don’t want the player base to balance the game. Absolutely toxic, these devs are doing what they can for this “Gimmie Gimmie” community.
I didn’t want to be on a pvp realm. However, my buddy who I was planning on playing with wanted to follow his wotlk guild, and they were planning on being on a pvp realm. Reluctantly I made my characters on the same realm. Now all of his guildies have stopped playing and it’s just the two of us left on this realm. I’m very happy to hear the news of the free xfer. So there you go, there’s your example of how someone who doesn’t want to PvP could end up on a pvp realm.
I'm surprised there's absolute nothing for warriors. Specifically Protection Warriors! As a Protection Warrior it's basically impossible keep AOE threat on trash mobs in raid, compared to for example a Shaman tank with still overtuned Lightning Shield. Besides that Block Value is still bugged, when it comes to adding damage to Shield Slam... #FixProtWar
@@wheeze9378 another one.... no one is talking about virgin fury. He is talking about chad warrior tanks!!! every time we try to say anything related to warr tanking there's someone insta whines "bUt FuRy oP"!!! u are the reason why prot is such a pain to play! give us a break
Canceling Blizzcon on WoW’s 20th anniversary is crazy to me. I was totally expecting a classic+ announcement, but I guess we might get it from our homes 😂
I've come to accept the terms that SoD is less along the lines of a "Classic Plus" but more of a "Classic Arcade" a temporary mode not unlike Overwatch 2's arcade events
I mean they did say it was basically to be an open beta when they were having they players test it as a seasonal mode so they could figure out what works
Incursions obliterated the economy. And although I did manage to partake for a few hours, I feel like I would have been locked out of the economy entirely if I didn't manage to get a few hundred gold during that time.
What part of the economy did it destroy ? What specifically did it affect ? I raid on both factions on different servers and I did not feel the “economy totally broke “ sentiment. I was able to get full consumables for around 30-40g and have some left over. So again, what specifically was affected ? Because we all hear this statement and no one has facts or numbers. Everyone just echos whatever they hear from content creators.
@@matthewalexander2780the people saying this, never played during a new patch/expac release before I guess. Cause everything is super expensive right off the rip because of supply not being able to meet demand.
I didn't partake in incursions at all. I grinded demons the first few days of phase 3 and made 100-200g an hour. There are so many gold farms and market volatility to take advantage of.
incursions are still great for gold lol i did it for an hour and walked out with 300g. Youd rather just not be able to afford high end items unless you buy gold?
@@peterc2672 Totally agree that incursions are still great for gold. But making 300g in an hour doing incursions after nerfs (latest nerf from hinterland 12 days ago included), how on earth did u manage to do that? I didnt manage to get even 50% (150g) in 1 hour incursions spam with 5-man group all on discord voice chat, all party members fully geared with phase 3 prebis and/or bis gear and all party members having incursions helper addon. This was last week, pvp server, alliance faction, Hinterlands Incursions. All quests except gathering, standard route using the out of bounds port back to bridge method 2 times each run. With current gold rewards from quests in Hinterlands incursions one full completed run of all quests (only gathering not included) rewards 42g 60c. So that means i would have to do at least 7 of these runs in 1 hour to get close to 300g. Which Incursion Zone and what quests did u do to be able to earn 300g post-nerf(s) in 1 hour!?
myself and 2 friends created a guild at the very beginning of phase 2 on wild growth US alliance. We had issues filling 10 man gnomer raids for the first few weeks however we recruited heavily and had 2 raid groups to prepare for 20mans. Come phase 3 we had a full 20man guild raid group by week 1. We had full clear after first reset (shade was difficult week 1). We now have 2 raid groups of almost 25 people each... its to the point we may start getting a 3rd raid group together.. I think 10 man's were a good size. However guild recruitment is a HUGE necessity.
The flat 50% dmg nerf in PvP was stupid beyond reason. This is another proof they don't test things before releasing things. You start with 10-25%, not 50%. 2-3 classes were overperforming but this nerf hurt the "owned classes" even more. If 1 shot is too extreme, so is 3 mins (Retail) fights. So go with something in between. They did something simular in P1 and was not liked so it looks as usual they don't learn from earlier misstakes.
Just make buffs raid wide and not party wide and boom guilds aren't going to continue to die because they have 800087273 melee and only x number of melee spots.
Sorry, but if you can't field 20 players, that means your leadership doesn't spend time for the guild. Guilds have always taken a lot of work. People like 10m because it's easy to find 2 dungeon grps to play together for 45m twice a week. It required practically no work to maintain. Maybe you have to find a pug or 2 every other week. 20m raiding is better than 10m. It just sucks to coordinate more people's schedules and still have a good comp. There are lots of struggling 10m guilds. Find another one and merge or find a slightly bigger guild that is trying to field a second group
Very disappointed to see a 50% flat reduction go out. Glad it's a trial run and they may make adjustments. Rogue feels really bad again and honestly- I hope they look at resilience caps and base the damage reduction around that. 20-25% reduction seems much more in line with what should be expected.
New changes are for awful. Blizzard still can’t make minor buffs or nerfs. They have to literally go to the extreme every time. 50% dmg reduction is so bad. They couldn’t just do 20% and go up each day and see how it feels. It’s so frustrating for blizzard to do such an abrupt change. We know certain classes have crazy high burst in PvP but we don’t need to nerf dmg to the ground. This has now lead to healing/hybrid classes being insane and they literally don’t die unless you have 3-4 dps on a healer. They have to make adjustments to healing as well as drop the dmg reduction to 20-25%.
agree, if they don't revert this change that's it for me. Im primarily a PvP player and this change is just awful. Their idea is to make engagements last longer, however what they've done doesn't achieve this it just overpowers healers and hybrid classes as you mentioned. Especially with no reduction to healing to counterpart it. Smh
The PVP changes have been absolutely horrendous. Have played about 4 hours of AB since it's been implemented. It's completely put me off the game and I pray it gets reverted immediately. I find myself just tuning out in fights now because it's taken all the tension away from potential incoming damage. Healers are just absurdly OP now. They shouldn't be tampering with something they don't understand.
Crying about having to have 20 players for a raid is cringe. Get good at the game and people will come play. All this content is able to be done by pugs. This is as casual as it gets. You cried about premade bgs and now bgs are dead or awful. You cried about gdkps and now pug raids are crap. You wanted changes and you helped ruin the game for people with your platform.
20 man is fucking up my guild, we have like 25+ always signed on wednesday raid and it makes 5+ beeing benched , and we have a rule you gotta be online duirng the raid to get more chance for next raid. We have tried to put up alt/benched raid on sunday, but seems ppl are really not intrest to play their alts in this phase 3. And its mostly just raid logging atm. So for me the one week for next raids is fucking up things. So i have only had one run in ST, and just thinks to skip the raid as i did see most of the raid. Then just do random stuff and wait for n ext phase.
Award DKP, and tell the benched people they get equal DKP to those that raided. Then they lost nothing except the drops. Our guild is absolutely fine with this and works great.
I'm enjoying Sunken Temple. 20 man is the good number. They shouldn't reduce it back to 10 man again. Just recruit. It has been hard. My guild is lacking 2 players currently. But if I finish recruiting these 2 then they just reduce it back to 10 man to please some that just won't recruit then what? Split into 2 separate groups even though they won't work cause we do not have the tanks for that now??
PVP CHANGES ARE TERRIBLEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!! SEEMS THE VIDEO CREATOR IS A PVE GUY AND PEOPLE LIKE HIM ARE THE REASON OF THE NEW CHANGE THEY SEEMS TO GET OWNED IN PVP AND CRY FOR BLIZZARD TO HELP THEM
"World of Warcraft players will do anything possible to make sure they will do the lease amount of work for the most amount of power as possible." Scott from The Comeback Kids really is one of us.
I think the issue that this would cause, is there is then literally no penalty for just being a grief and leaving. Its still surprisingly hard to reform once a few bosses are locked. For real try find a guild even if its just a casual one.
Itll be a perma realm when phases are done your not losing your character. Now will people continue to play then idk but you won't just lose everything.
And still, with all the quest/incursion there's plenty of way to make gold in like 1h max. Yeah they fuck up the economy at first with incursion gold but, you can farm easily gold rn in plenty of way. I think it's really not a problem
PvP damage reduction is 50% which is horrible. Was on my SL lock and with all my dots I couldn’t kill anything. Legit 1 hot is out healing all of my dots damage. Felt very useless in WSG
ye it must feel horrible not to be able to kill ppl with 3 dots while beeing invincible , but it was necessary cuz ur class was disguting and winning every 1v1 tournament , and also rogues beeing able to kill u on one cheap shot pré patch , now we can argue that 50% is too much , but in my opinion already way better than this complete dog meta where u have 3 sp and warlocks dotting u and run away and u die
If your part of a Guild, and part of the officer core or The Guild master. You need to delegate jobs. Raid leader, Roster organizer, recruitment officer, ect. If you don't have 20 raiders it falls on your recruitment officer to recruit. as a content creator you should not have that much trouble with name recognition and that will help recruitment. Your goal should not be to PUG your main guild raid. The lock out is now 7 days rather then 3. So you have time to do the 20 man if it is too.. ?hard? I agree I don't want 40 mans back. But sticking to the 20 man allows them more options for new raid encounters.
who's complaining about 20 mans? A well organized guild has little to no problems with 20 and 40 man content. We're running 4 20 man teams, pre planned 40 man teams. Just organize and put in the effort.
You want a slow playing class? Play 2h shaman!! Haha But Im curious about what you guys think of 2H shaman right now? It's my favorite playstyle, and it has just felt awful, having to use lava burst, having way less hit, and now with the changes to mental dexterity stormstrike is our only way to activate it.
The 20 man did ruin my fun in this game. SOD P3 is a complete failure, now maining pvp, cant even have fun with those hybrid classes that are too OP like SHAMAN! My god its complicated to keep a good way to do things. DONT CHANGE A GOOD FORMULA LIKE 10MAN! Fuck 20 man!
arenas. 5v5, 10vs10 arenas. Using Dire maul for 10vs10 Gurubashi and Orgrimmar arena for 5v5. maybe 2v2 and 3v3, however i know the classic player-base is quite tough to convince here.
I strongly disagree with your 10 man raiding stance. My whole guild is loving 20 man raids, and if we DIGRESSED backwards into 10 mans, this would make so many players in my guild quit. We have 3X 20 man raids right now, and it feels so much more fun, more people to talk to and play with than just small 10 mans. The raids feel more epic and engaging in 20 mans. You get to compete dps and healing more in 20 mans. It's just better. It feels like a RAID. Where 10 just feels like a dungeon group.
Bring some Arena's Bring Scarlet Citadel Bring The dungeon finder Bring the Battleground queued system. And change the ranking system. We want to play some alt as well getting rank 7 on each Char is discouraging. Be alt frienldy THere a lot of possibility! More passive less maccros, More passive less key binds.
Blizzcon 2023 didnt "sell out" because "hack-the-vision" Blizzard decided to just sell as many tickets as possible right up until the event. I was there, it was completely jammed and way too crowded. I think they canceled this years because overwhelming negative feedback. It was the worst blizzcon ive ever attended, having been two other times.
Re: End of video? No, don't empty kitchen sink, I think barbershop is fine, new leveling zones ect, but I really want the focus to be on new dungeons/raids from the old rumored raids.
Plz bring back 10 man in p4. So much easier having 1 melee focused grp and 2nd with caster/healers. This fighting over having wild strikes, trueshot aura is just so ass. Also of course easier and faster making them
The world buffs are getting out of control. Make them only work outside of the raid. I mean, you struggle hard to get +1% crit on your gear, and it’s a great achivement. And then you get 10% from the wb, it kinda takes away the the feeling.
so im in bad pug and i need loot from last boss. we wipe on 1st boss, i instantly leave and find another pug because im not locked. On the other hand if im locked might aswell try to finish the run, explain strats etc. that would be most toxic change, for classic community esp.
@@ar4ijs97 thing is you arent going to avoid people being toxic so it doesnt rly matter, Im not saying ur wrong at all tho. people were already trying to gate keep the raids since level 25 so...
I disagree on the 10 man raids, it doesnt feel like raiding and I never had any issue to get a raiding team together, in fact this phase is the first time i was seriously clearing the raid with a guild setup and it finally felt like real raiding with the guild and not like running instances with people you'll never see again, almost like looking for raid/group kind of content
Quality of Life changes 1. I would like Glamor/Transmog in the game! 2. The World Buff, potions, elixirs.. food buffs.. need changes around length and persistance through death.....it makes trying to raid a week of farming, raid, more farming.. not fun 3. More optimally placed graveyards and flight points (STV at Rebel Camp for example)
On the world buffs complaint.. you have 7 DAYS to collect 2 WBs (3 if DMF is up) why is this such a hardship?? Also, enchants are enchants - you dont lose them on death, seems like you added this in to bolster your complaint. The rest is just a gold issue but gold is easy to farm.
I dissagree, the wild offering system can make a USELESS dungeon INTERESTING by adding that extra something (like in brd you have voracity, rare boes like ribsplitter, can even get large brilliant shard de mats from few bosses, and dmf cards because mobs are humanoid) so you can add the offering to the farm and try for 12 minute runs or speedruns. Mara, people run it for dagger, almost everyone has it by now and they have stopped, also even mara 10 man is AMAZING whats wrong with doing 35 minute 5 speedruns with crazy zuggers using 2% brain and then gambling for four of nightmares? I personally love it that with 1 item token they can make dungeon relevant to farm and find new ways to run through, imagine doing scholo for offering or stratholme 10 man
i just dont agree with the 10 man system. sure, it could be an option. but the VAST majority of players in SoD are current/returning classic players. Those of us who are classic/classic+ passionate do NOT want retail type players coming in and pushing for the entire raid equation to be altered. 40 man raiding is literally THE focus of vanilla. Now, it could be argued that because these are "level up raids", 10m makes sense. But, because the phases are level locked, having constant 10m level up raids locks people in to that mindset and guild comp, so then when we ding 60 and head into 40m, its going to throw everything off, and people will just whine until the classic 40m raids (or potential new ones) are pushed down to 10m. This would kill the feel of classic/vanilla WoW. Noty. If 40m raids are not your thing, go hit up retail/mop remix when it comes out, etc.
i dont understand the complain about 20man, classic was about 40man. This 10man fiesta was a joke from p1 and boring same for wbuffs amount, it was always like 3, ZG; ONY, DMF. This is classic literally
pls no heroics. Part of what made Classic cool was that i had to go back to NORMAL strath and kill a harder boss for atiesh, I had to go back to BRD for MC attune, I had to do UBRS for Ony AND BWL. Just do more of that instead of heroic. Make summons / trigger bosses that require level 60 and a quest item.
I'm willing to bet that most people who think 20m is so much better than 10m and that 40m is going to be just amazing, they aren't the ones organizing it. I'm sure it's great when all you have to do is just show up and join the raid. If you're the one scheduling it, filling the guild and raid roster via recruitment or adding pugs, and leading the raid.. that sounds like a job instead of a game. Remember, 40m raiding was "so good" that Bliz killed it off with WoW's first expansion and replaced 20m/40m raiding with 10m/25m, and they never looked back. Ya'll probably start singing a different tune when your guild and raid leaders start to burn out and leave at lvl 60.
i refuse to use mutilate. I hate the ability. It's just boring and annoying. I'm using the saber slash now with the buff. But I'm a tank I want to use Main Gauche to help my healers. Yes 10% parry is small but it's still something. I wish they would change Main Gauche to 10% damage reduction instead of 10% parry. And make it buff Sinister strikes damage for 20 seconds by 100% or something. So tanks can actually use our tank hand rune. And if the worry is dps rogues using it for whatever reason (which they won't over Mutilate) just make it so Main Gauche can only be used while having the tank rune.
I love the pvp one shot fest. It makes healers super relevant. Now it's just boring and bad. If they want to fix it , maybe DONT ALLOW GROUPS for blood moon event.
The damage reduction in PvP is a little too much, some classes are going OOM in 1v1 battles and you can forget BG battles. The % just needs to be adjused appropriately. Before it was way to much, SWP and Void Plague could almost kill someone on their own, now it does 25% of their health (and takes 24 seconds to do that)
Yeah im probably quitting sod, and by extension wow, soon. Guild is dying in P3 and that seems like its only gonna get worse. Oh well, P1 was hype. Tons of fun, and actually felt like I could play on different characters. Now it just feels like I’m hard stuck on my main.
How would increasing the energy cost of Mutilate help buff Saber Slash? That would just nerf Mutilate. That was the dumbest take you've had in the 10 or so videos of yours I've watched. I forgive you, though.
The damage debuff makes BM unplayable. Healers like druids and priests and heal themselves and their group through all damage right. Aimed shot should be crit for 400 when it used to crit for 1.2k-1.8k
Not a fan of season 3 at all. Im sure its the unpopular opinion. But im having 0 fun. it feels completely (forced) grind heavy (WO's, Incursions, BGs) as opposed to playing the content you want and still being able to get a solid set of gear. There are little to no rewards for dungeons. and the change in raid size has made pugs completely disappear and has forced more of a join a guild (no issues with that) and have to log in for specific raid schedules just to play. What brought me to SOD from other "classic" option was how casual you could be and still play. That seems to now be gone in S3. again, actually gone back to retail for the new season of Mythics which is kinda sad because i really liked SOD. again this is just my opinion I'm not telling people how to feel. So if you are enjoying S3. keep on enjoying.
Honestly they need to change so much to get me to level to 60. 20m raids is a good step. 10m sucked & 40m sucks. There must be a brand new raid at lvl 60 right away. This is a biggy. Not grinding MC, BWL, AQ before anything new launches. World buffs must persist through death. Raid buffs like demonic pact need to be raid wide. Buffing needs to be raid wide. Some sort of currency needs to be added to raiding with a vendor so after an entire phase of never even seeing an item drop, or seeing it once and losing it, at least u can go get it at some point. School specific spell immunities need to be removed. Recipe's like greater fire power elixir have no reason to be gate kept behind AQ this time. Black Lotus needs a % chance to drop from any high lvl herb. An alchemy station needs to be added to a major city to make flasks. They either need to give gathering proffs something useful like on use haste for herbalists, or everyone gets 2 crafting, 1 gathering, cooking/first aid. Enchanting scrolls would be great too. Rare pattern spawns on vendors need to be made BoP or permanently there. The amount of ppl on every layer 24/7 around Qia right now is nuts. Summon stones need to be turned on. At the very least, flight paths from wotlk need to be added if not retail for ease of leveling alts. Also how about no for 1000g epic riding as it forces a lot of ppl to buy gold. Reg riding is 50g then 1000? Makes no sense at all.
My big thing with wPvP, they need to make some of these areas contested like outside of Deadmines, SFK, SM, and Ratchet. That would fix my issues with PvP personally.
I am still hoping for classic plus but if they just make it raid and pvp dominant then it won't be classic anyway. All of the OP runes and making traditional classes irrelevant by making another class out perform them: meh. Classic players want content. Add quest lines and 5 mans. SOD turned into Wrath jr after phase 2. Raid logging and only letting the min / maxers in your group. Boring.
i see the pvp change with mixed eyes. great for BG's semi OK for STV (what is thrash anyway) and horrible for duells 1vs1 (who shouldnt be the meta anyway) only thing i hate now is that im kinda useless as mage in STV... i haven't found a group yet... before it been 5 mages but this is not possible anymore. melee control the ground, druids are tanky as owl too, resto are OP healer... yeah... i don't find a spot there. if anyone know what to play as mage STV atm pls tell
We've struggled to change ot the 20 man format and honestly if they make new content 40 man I might be out (I am pretty much both the raid and guild leader). I've done 40 man raid leading and I have no interest in it for SOD. Let people do the 40 man stuff as classic content if they wish, but I really hope any new crafted content stays as 20 man. P.S The Sunken Temple nerfs kinda wrecked P3 for us. We're a dad guild and will happily admit we're mid gamers.. but we trounced it on the first reset. I hope p4 is a bit harder and takes most guilds a few resets to fully clear.
I came back to play WoW SoD after not playing since 2009. I was having a great time. Not sure exactly but I've been slowly having less and less of a good time and wanting to log in less and less. I think ST has been the best raid so far by a large amount (Gnomer being the worst). However, I'm not having fun with world buffs what so ever and the cost of consumables is just far too high. I know that people say, "don't use world buffs if you don't like them." I just don't see that as a valid excuse because I want to perform well in my raids and don't want to feel like dead weight. I don't know, maybe I'm just too old and it just feels more and more like a waste of time. I'll probably stop playing soon. It's been fun while it lasted. Having to reroll on a PvP server has also killed a great deal of my enjoyment. I don't understand how people find joy or fun in ganking people. Also, I think the loot from the raid in this phase is an issue. Most classes just seem to need their three piece set and then their epic weapon. Too many BiS items are from the AH (not sure if this is a rogue only issue).
Wanting more 10 mans and complaining about 20 mans for vanilla+ content is a L take... The whole reason why vanilla is good is because you are weak compared to the environment so you need 20-40 mans to clear (or take forever to do it). The Comeback Kids just asking more and more for retail accessibility.
If you dont like the grind, play retail! The essence of classic are hellish grinds like Timbermaw Hold, Thorium Brotherhood, Hydraxian Waterlords and the Winterspring frostsaber-mount
I just gave up. Economy was bad already, and incursions made it worse. If you didnt do then the first days, RIP. Old runes hard to get, costly, time consuming, are now free. I dont mind that. Is that we lose the time/gold spent in an already inflated economy. Shams still OP, shadow priest dots are op in pvp. Major changes to some classes... by the time they do mages it will be phase 4. Im already burned out. I have not even done the 20 man raid once. Guild fell apart. Hard to do 10 mans, imagine 20. Cant pug cause of lockouts. Ggs
Yeah for Shamans, rolling thunder is definitely useless, need to keep flame shock up and you dump your stacks on interrupts. I also think it's funny they gave us a nature set bonus on our tier this phase but are pushing for us to go fire. Rolling Thunder should have been Fire Ele like warlocks Felguard. I LOVE the flat reduction in PVP damage. I'm so sick of landing at an FP and welp I'm dead again... getting instantly one shot all the time feels awful, especially when I am well geared.
Phase 1 was nice for me because the raid wasn't wotlk heroic mode hard. The raids have been getting progressively harder and I feel the bulk of SoD players would rather have less mechanics. If I want to play hard content I'd be playing Wrath/cata/retail. I enjoy this version of the game because it's simple and like 40 man raids.
I feel personally attacked when you show execute needing a nerf lol, that’s messed up man. I can say with 100% confidence that warriors are THE ONLY class that isn’t busted in pvp, it’s actually really miserable out here being a warrior lol. And we have to get you to 25% to be able to use that ability, only for you to dodge,parry or us miss lol! It should be a strong move, cause honestly, we’re struggling out here to kill any class unless we have a healer following us. I’m sure all of you know when you see a warrior out and about you’re like, oh this poor soul lol! BAM! And as you walk away victorious you’re like wow! He managed to not die immediately what a badass!
cancelled my sub today. I'm not going to pay to see how Phase 4 gets botched, I'll just watch on youtube. Phase 1 was a lot of fun and a neat idea. It felt very well thought-out. But the more time that passes, the more clear it becomes that there was never a plan and they're just winging it. The horrible botch of nightmare incursions created major gaps in level and money, not to mention being completely unplayable on PVP realms since the questgivers are perma-camped by the people who sped to 50 in the first few hours. Not to mention the raid was so hard that NO ONE could beat it. this is supposed to be a "fun" version of wow, and even the sweaty try-hards couldn't down this thing without it getting nerfed after a week or two. Phase 3 was a complete embarrassment and I'm glad it dropped and got some time in before my 6-month sub was due to get charged again. Maybe if the dev team wasn't being tapped to make some kind of pirate game no one asked for or cares about, or resurrect the version of WOW that literally drove millions of players to cancel their subscriptions, they could have done something with the hit that was SOD Phase 1.
Dps Paladin has been a disappointment this season. P1 started out promising, but P2 degenerated into fishing for crits so we can spam exorcism which can be fun, but I've had more than enough times where I've had to wait the entire cooldown of exo because I got unlucky and it feels horrible. P3 is the exact same rotation. Meanwhile, we keep getting half our runes dedicated to trying to make shockadin work, but that relies even more on getting crits to do mediocre damage. All that combined with my absolute hatred for ST, I'm taking the bench this phase and praying it all clicks together at 60. If it doesn't and my BIS is still a mace from gnomer, I'm going to quit. I don't have the time to invest into another character. Paladin is not fun to play. I would rather play one in classic era.
The real problem with PvP in SoD is that they made PVE based content that is now a focus point of PVP because they didn't include AV in this phase which was a huge mistake. The best way by far to get honor is by farming kills in Incursions, AV would've solved this but blizz failed to see that sadly.
More and more this channel is becoming “I want you to enjoy the game how I enjoy it.” People like different things. People will always find ways around friction in game. There will always be ways to exploit things. And some may do it. Some may not. I personally didn’t take advantage of the broken incursions, but have recently for my alts. I’m enjoying doing my gathering loops. Why does it matter how I got there? Let me enjoy how I play. You can enjoy how you play. ❤
World buffs are terrible. They should be completely disabled for max level. It's super toxic trying to maintain your buffs through a raid. Consumes are fine cause you bring 100 of them. I'd love to see world buffs just disappear or at least persist through death.
Give 10 man raids back! 20 is ruining everything in SoD. Worldbuffs also are too much of a huzzle. Not because they are needed, but because all meta hunter raidleader make them absolutely mandatory.
The new pvp changes are trash. Incursions are awful. Phase 3 has been a monumental letdown
How are the new PvP changes trash? Please explain
@@deviin6996 Priests were already the most sought after and strongest class in pvp. the changes just make them better because their only weakness was being somewhat squishy outside of their dispersion window. it's absurd
@@deviin6996 they nerfed the damage , and kept the healing the same meaning all hybrid classes are unkillable if your a rogue or hunter.
@@ATDF1oh okay yeah I agree with that part! Spriests are definitely annoying and strong as fudge. I’m just thinking about the dmg reduction in battlegrounds. As a healer player, it feels much easier to heal players without them dying in 3 globals now
@@highintel6088idk if you played as a healer before this, but if you did, it was extremely infuriating. It was damn near impossible to keep someone alive, shit died way too fast
No more phase 4 talk, let’s make it at least a month without talkin bout the next phase every time. Ppl need to slow down if they don’t want to consume all the content in a week
Really unfortunate it turned out the way it did, but I’m glad people who previously advocated for 20 mans are starting to come around to the fact that larger raid sizes don’t make the game better; tried mentioning this a few times, but seemed to get hit by a louder minority.
- As you mentioned and I’m sure will go into more detail with this in your next video, trying to fill a 20 man roster has been very, very difficult. The problems started week 1, even after confirming with each individual person that they can make it, and have not stopped since.
- We’ve had people flat out stop playing for a number of reasons, whether they don’t like the phase, real-life, just can’t commit, etc.
- As raid/guild leader, I went from having to spend maybe 5 minutes typing in our 10 man group Discord chat, to reaching out to 5-10 people individually on a weekly basis to make sure we’ll have a full group, and even then, someone still misses after they say they’ll be there.
- We can no longer manage everything in a group chat; now we have to use our full Discord server again, create tags for both groups (we merged with another guild who’s running a second 20 man so we can combine the two when the awful move of introducing 40 mans comes out), and hope that all 20/40 people actually check Discord enough to see those communications.
- PUGs come in and take loot from people who show up every week.
- At least 5 of my raiders (not part of my original 10 man) are just playing SOD until new retail content comes out, and they have already confirmed they will be jumping ship when that happens; of course we still give them loot for showing up, but we know it won’t be for long; can’t wait to fill those spots when they’re gone…
- Our original 10 man was made up of people who played together for the last 3-5 years. We all know each other very well, many of us go back to some of our first raids together in classic back in September of 2019. Now I have a bunch of people I don’t know I’m trying to manage; I have to learn their habits, their strengths and weaknesses, their general attitudes and whether or not they’re team players, etc. because we now have to rely on these players to clear the content every week.
- The constant having to PUG/fill because people miss and the added administration time is causing everyone (especially me as the person dealing with it all) to really start to burn out. I was part of leadership/guild leader from vanilla to the end of Wrath; our Wrath guild finally disbanded in December because it was impossible to fill a raid, so the remaining members moved to SOD full time. I feel this burnout is leading us (and me) down the same path, and eventually we will start to lose core players because the game just isn’t fun anymore/has become too much of a job.
I’ve really done my best to have fun this phase, and I honestly feel like I’m enjoying phase 3 and Sunken Temple a lot more than most of my guild, but the writing is definitely on the wall, and if they don’t change directions on raiding soon, I fear a lot of players will quit and trying to recruit/raid will only get that much more difficult.
Well said!!! I’m in the same type of guild (close knit players for years) experiencing exactly the same thing! I am pretty close to quitting. We were planning a guild meetup at Blizzcon
and how do you expect the level 60 phase to work with 10 mans?? they would have to competlely redesign a huge number of fights
i absolutely hate incursions, they completely ruined the classic leveling experience this phase, they COMPLETELY dumpstered the economy, each phase that has gone on feels less and less like classic, i hope the lvl 60 content brings us back to that classic feel that phase 1 had
Killed dungeon runs as well imo. Other than WO farming.
Yeah, the only way to get a group for dungeons, is making your own groups and spec tank or healer. And even if you do, there is always that one guy in group that only want to do WO runs...even though you specifically advertised a "full run"
And 80% of everyone spamming dungeons was soooo much better okay buddy lmao
@@Kilmar4999 i love dungeons. Sorry. Better than incursions imo.
Some of us e joy the fast leveling experience. Why does leveling have to be “an experience “? If you’ve played since actual classic release, you’ve had the “experience” for near 20 years.
And if not? Listen. You’re not missing much. It’s leveling. It’s a grind. And any way to make that faster and get me to content that actually matters - bring it on. I don’t want to waste time messing around at lower levels. What? You want me to explore the candles in this cave ? Ohhh. The 20 year old graphics and scenery , so amazing.
Please. Give me a break.
And for the economy ? People have echoed this ever since the release of P3 - but what did it affect ? Specifically. Because I can gather all my consumables for raid night for under 50g. What else you doing ? What was obliterated ? How did it affect your economy ?
But hey! Let’s not mention hunters and classes farming up to 1.2k gold per hour in ST farms or hundreds of gold in ZF farms from mages and hunters, etc.
But shoot. That couple hundred gold farmed on the first day, phew. Let’s complain about that.
Blizzard needs a polling system so the sod community can vote on what changes we want, stop giving us blind updates.
Nahhh that’s a pretty terrible idea… I don’t trust the community with balancing the game at all lol.
@@weeb1854 selfish take from you
@@highintel6088 its not since most of it gona be same all stuff. its better to not give players that power because like 60% of people not gona even vote since they play casual so u will never get mayor part of truth just gona get votes from people who are a lot of time online
@@weeb1854 but you trust these streamers and shit devs? lol
@@grandecc2567 I don’t think the devs are “shit” that’s a pessimistic take for sure… and if even 10% of the community thinks like you do then you just solidify why I don’t want the player base to balance the game. Absolutely toxic, these devs are doing what they can for this “Gimmie Gimmie” community.
I didn’t want to be on a pvp realm. However, my buddy who I was planning on playing with wanted to follow his wotlk guild, and they were planning on being on a pvp realm. Reluctantly I made my characters on the same realm. Now all of his guildies have stopped playing and it’s just the two of us left on this realm. I’m very happy to hear the news of the free xfer. So there you go, there’s your example of how someone who doesn’t want to PvP could end up on a pvp realm.
iF yOur friEnD jUmps oFf a bUiLdiNg, yoU'd JumP toO?
You joines because you and him wants, there's no excuses, the other eay happens too
I'm surprised there's absolute nothing for warriors. Specifically Protection Warriors!
As a Protection Warrior it's basically impossible keep AOE threat on trash mobs in raid, compared to for example a Shaman tank with still overtuned Lightning Shield.
Besides that Block Value is still bugged, when it comes to adding damage to Shield Slam...
#FixProtWar
#fixfury too cause it feels like trash to play balancing cbr
@@Iron.Tarkus Fury is top 1 dps though, can't rly complain about that...
@@wheeze9378 you can when it feels terrible to play. Ask any fury main
@@wheeze9378 another one.... no one is talking about virgin fury. He is talking about chad warrior tanks!!!
every time we try to say anything related to warr tanking there's someone insta whines "bUt FuRy oP"!!!
u are the reason why prot is such a pain to play!
give us a break
Put vigilance on your biggest pumper and you wont loose aggro even if you are afk.
Canceling Blizzcon on WoW’s 20th anniversary is crazy to me. I was totally expecting a classic+ announcement, but I guess we might get it from our homes 😂
I think bliz is just down bad right now. They have the real numbers. war within is a wet noodle and the moral in the sod community is non existent.
Blizzard is not announcing classic + till at least next fall 2025. Then releasing classic + in 2026
@@daltonnelson94 agree if they annonced an actual classic plus right now it would instantly kill sod
Play Project Epoch
@@voINNOCENTov no?
The guild I was with since phase 1 fell apart due to the switch to 20 man
Not for nothing that's yall fault. Everyone know 20s were coming and it's classic it used to be 40. Should of been expected. But yes it does suck.
Our guild was a 10 man like everyone else. Merged with another 10 man. Easier than recruiting a fresh batch
It'll happen again when we do 40 man stuff. Its not a surprise
good
Blizzard should go back to 10 man raids
Dont come to lava lash its dead af
I've come to accept the terms that SoD is less along the lines of a "Classic Plus" but more of a "Classic Arcade" a temporary mode not unlike Overwatch 2's arcade events
Same. Still a bummer tbh
I mean they did say it was basically to be an open beta when they were having they players test it as a seasonal mode so they could figure out what works
Incursions obliterated the economy. And although I did manage to partake for a few hours, I feel like I would have been locked out of the economy entirely if I didn't manage to get a few hundred gold during that time.
What part of the economy did it destroy ? What specifically did it affect ? I raid on both factions on different servers and I did not feel the “economy totally broke “ sentiment. I was able to get full consumables for around 30-40g and have some left over.
So again, what specifically was affected ? Because we all hear this statement and no one has facts or numbers. Everyone just echos whatever they hear from content creators.
@@matthewalexander2780the people saying this, never played during a new patch/expac release before I guess. Cause everything is super expensive right off the rip because of supply not being able to meet demand.
I didn't partake in incursions at all. I grinded demons the first few days of phase 3 and made 100-200g an hour. There are so many gold farms and market volatility to take advantage of.
incursions are still great for gold lol i did it for an hour and walked out with 300g. Youd rather just not be able to afford high end items unless you buy gold?
@@peterc2672 Totally agree that incursions are still great for gold. But making 300g in an hour doing incursions after nerfs (latest nerf from hinterland 12 days ago included), how on earth did u manage to do that? I didnt manage to get even 50% (150g) in 1 hour incursions spam with 5-man group all on discord voice chat, all party members fully geared with phase 3 prebis and/or bis gear and all party members having incursions helper addon. This was last week, pvp server, alliance faction, Hinterlands Incursions. All quests except gathering, standard route using the out of bounds port back to bridge method 2 times each run. With current gold rewards from quests in Hinterlands incursions one full completed run of all quests (only gathering not included) rewards 42g 60c. So that means i would have to do at least 7 of these runs in 1 hour to get close to 300g. Which Incursion Zone and what quests did u do to be able to earn 300g post-nerf(s) in 1 hour!?
The Guild bank system would be huge for Classic imo.
myself and 2 friends created a guild at the very beginning of phase 2 on wild growth US alliance. We had issues filling 10 man gnomer raids for the first few weeks however we recruited heavily and had 2 raid groups to prepare for 20mans. Come phase 3 we had a full 20man guild raid group by week 1. We had full clear after first reset (shade was difficult week 1). We now have 2 raid groups of almost 25 people each... its to the point we may start getting a 3rd raid group together.. I think 10 man's were a good size. However guild recruitment is a HUGE necessity.
Try AB with these changes to PvP. Game is unplayable for PvP. Just revert the changes please
Agreed man it’s so bad. Any hybrid class or healing spec never dies and team fights only end when healers are oom
hard agree
It is astoninshing that they didn't nerf healing at an equal rate.
I bet you said the same crap pre-changes. No, don't revert it. Just reduce healing numbers.
What? Luckily this is more of a test and isn’t staying in the game forever.
The flat 50% dmg nerf in PvP was stupid beyond reason. This is another proof they don't test things before releasing things. You start with 10-25%, not 50%.
2-3 classes were overperforming but this nerf hurt the "owned classes" even more.
If 1 shot is too extreme, so is 3 mins (Retail) fights. So go with something in between.
They did something simular in P1 and was not liked so it looks as usual they don't learn from earlier misstakes.
Just make buffs raid wide and not party wide and boom guilds aren't going to continue to die because they have 800087273 melee and only x number of melee spots.
Sorry, but if you can't field 20 players, that means your leadership doesn't spend time for the guild.
Guilds have always taken a lot of work. People like 10m because it's easy to find 2 dungeon grps to play together for 45m twice a week. It required practically no work to maintain. Maybe you have to find a pug or 2 every other week.
20m raiding is better than 10m. It just sucks to coordinate more people's schedules and still have a good comp.
There are lots of struggling 10m guilds. Find another one and merge or find a slightly bigger guild that is trying to field a second group
Being a GM is awful, so much unpaid 'labor' in a way
I lack enthusiasm for leveling alts due to grinding rep on multiple toons. Blizzard should combine rep account wide it is just a season
Very disappointed to see a 50% flat reduction go out. Glad it's a trial run and they may make adjustments. Rogue feels really bad again and honestly- I hope they look at resilience caps and base the damage reduction around that. 20-25% reduction seems much more in line with what should be expected.
Stop trying to make this retail wow bro. You’ve been doing that since release.
Paladins have been getting attention but we're still shit so everyone's still mad
New changes are for awful. Blizzard still can’t make minor buffs or nerfs. They have to literally go to the extreme every time. 50% dmg reduction is so bad. They couldn’t just do 20% and go up each day and see how it feels. It’s so frustrating for blizzard to do such an abrupt change. We know certain classes have crazy high burst in PvP but we don’t need to nerf dmg to the ground. This has now lead to healing/hybrid classes being insane and they literally don’t die unless you have 3-4 dps on a healer. They have to make adjustments to healing as well as drop the dmg reduction to 20-25%.
agree, if they don't revert this change that's it for me. Im primarily a PvP player and this change is just awful. Their idea is to make engagements last longer, however what they've done doesn't achieve this it just overpowers healers and hybrid classes as you mentioned. Especially with no reduction to healing to counterpart it. Smh
Very good point.
I'm going oom trying to kill healers in pvp now
The PVP changes have been absolutely horrendous. Have played about 4 hours of AB since it's been implemented. It's completely put me off the game and I pray it gets reverted immediately. I find myself just tuning out in fights now because it's taken all the tension away from potential incoming damage. Healers are just absurdly OP now. They shouldn't be tampering with something they don't understand.
the feral druids became raidbosses whit the pvp damage reduction nerf its kinda insane xD
it took 3 of us 5+ minutes to kill lone feral in WSG
Crying about having to have 20 players for a raid is cringe. Get good at the game and people will come play. All this content is able to be done by pugs. This is as casual as it gets. You cried about premade bgs and now bgs are dead or awful. You cried about gdkps and now pug raids are crap. You wanted changes and you helped ruin the game for people with your platform.
You caught me.... It was my plan all along to ruin the game secretly. Ur the only one who knows though, so keep it on the hush hush
The PvP changes are awesome!!
20 man is fucking up my guild, we have like 25+ always signed on wednesday raid and it makes 5+ beeing benched , and we have a rule you gotta be online duirng the raid to get more chance for next raid. We have tried to put up alt/benched raid on sunday, but seems ppl are really not intrest to play their alts in this phase 3. And its mostly just raid logging atm. So for me the one week for next raids is fucking up things. So i have only had one run in ST, and just thinks to skip the raid as i did see most of the raid. Then just do random stuff and wait for n ext phase.
Award DKP, and tell the benched people they get equal DKP to those that raided. Then they lost nothing except the drops. Our guild is absolutely fine with this and works great.
perhaps.. try a pug??
I'm enjoying Sunken Temple. 20 man is the good number. They shouldn't reduce it back to 10 man again. Just recruit. It has been hard. My guild is lacking 2 players currently. But if I finish recruiting these 2 then they just reduce it back to 10 man to please some that just won't recruit then what? Split into 2 separate groups even though they won't work cause we do not have the tanks for that now??
agreed, 10 man at 60 would be super lame imo.. if your guild cant get more than 10 people it's more like a private social club than a guild..
I disagree. 10 man raids are better
@@NFRSM 100%
PVP CHANGES ARE TERRIBLEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!! SEEMS THE VIDEO CREATOR IS A PVE GUY AND PEOPLE LIKE HIM ARE THE REASON OF THE NEW CHANGE THEY SEEMS TO GET OWNED IN PVP AND CRY FOR BLIZZARD TO HELP THEM
PVP change is good
@@valorf666 Cope, its fucking awful.
Definitely a pve andy
"World of Warcraft players will do anything possible to make sure they will do the lease amount of work for the most amount of power as possible." Scott from The Comeback Kids really is one of us.
i think along with the aura for pvp damage reduction there should be a healing reduction by around 25 to 50 percent to match the reduced damage
I agree 100% lolol, i actually talk about it in the next video =D
I dont really pvp, but I've been enjoying p3... incursions should be dailies with a limit of like 10 ish tho
Why put a limit on it?
@@TryItWithRanch to prevent it being used as it is now, one of the biggest gold generation in game and so that's not all you do to level
@@wildterk6631 does it really matter? Or do you just want other people to play the way you want to play?
@@TryItWithRanch the health and diversity of the game should matter to all who play it. I don't pvp, I didnt suggest a daily limit on battle grounds.
Change the lockout system to retails where you are only saved to bosses that you've killed. We almost had out pug fall apart at rotslime last night.
Get a guild?
Sounds like terrible organization from whoever was running it.
@@wgest7399I don't deny that.
It's fucking the easiest fight. Get water breathing have heals stand inside
Ez pz
I think the issue that this would cause, is there is then literally no penalty for just being a grief and leaving. Its still surprisingly hard to reform once a few bosses are locked. For real try find a guild even if its just a casual one.
Priests getting a DOT dmg buff is absolutely stupid. A single SWP can kill many players from 100%
Wtf u talkibg about ?? Swd does 450 dmg
Just wanted to say I appreciate what you're doing here with your channel. Thanks for keeping us updated.
If you want to play on a pvp server but don't want to be ganked, be a man, play a rogue
facts
Yea I can def see the next phase around those dates homie. Def looking forward to what the future provides in SOD. Fully Locked In 🔒
I agree, the gold farming is just too much for a seasonal relm 😢
Itll be a perma realm when phases are done your not losing your character. Now will people continue to play then idk but you won't just lose everything.
And still, with all the quest/incursion there's plenty of way to make gold in like 1h max. Yeah they fuck up the economy at first with incursion gold but, you can farm easily gold rn in plenty of way. I think it's really not a problem
than tell these idiots to lower their delusional prices for a SEASONAL REALM?
@@evildark940a perma SOD realm? Ere people will be pissed with OP gear going onto their realms
1v1 arenas where anything goes would be awesome
The realm transfers split my guild in half. Sad but what can you do
40 energy for 2 combo points or 40 energy for 1 combo point? It's not hard to see why mutilate is still going to be better than saber slash.
So wrong...
PvP damage reduction is 50% which is horrible. Was on my SL lock and with all my dots I couldn’t kill anything. Legit 1 hot is out healing all of my dots damage. Felt very useless in WSG
On the flip side, I bet all the melee mains will finally stop whining about ranged classes killing them... Right?
ye it must feel horrible not to be able to kill ppl with 3 dots while beeing invincible , but it was necessary cuz ur class was disguting and winning every 1v1 tournament , and also rogues beeing able to kill u on one cheap shot pré patch , now we can argue that 50% is too much , but in my opinion already way better than this complete dog meta where u have 3 sp and warlocks dotting u and run away and u die
I like what eso did and in pvp all damage and healing is reduced by 50%
I’m bis pally and I couldn’t kill a Druid in 3min of straight dps and the Druid never even went oom
@@thebenis3219 no
If your part of a Guild, and part of the officer core or The Guild master. You need to delegate jobs. Raid leader, Roster organizer, recruitment officer, ect.
If you don't have 20 raiders it falls on your recruitment officer to recruit. as a content creator you should not have that much trouble with name recognition and that will help recruitment.
Your goal should not be to PUG your main guild raid.
The lock out is now 7 days rather then 3. So you have time to do the 20 man if it is too..
?hard? I agree I don't want 40 mans back. But sticking to the 20 man allows them more options for new raid encounters.
As a long time Holy Pally, I really would LOVE to see consecration for Holy Pally be turned into an Ground/group AOE heal. Been hoping for years!!
It's a heal in retail now finally. Been waiting for it to come to classic too
who's complaining about 20 mans? A well organized guild has little to no problems with 20 and 40 man content. We're running 4 20 man teams, pre planned 40 man teams. Just organize and put in the effort.
You want a slow playing class? Play 2h shaman!! Haha
But Im curious about what you guys think of 2H shaman right now?
It's my favorite playstyle, and it has just felt awful, having to use lava burst, having way less hit, and now with the changes to mental dexterity stormstrike is our only way to activate it.
Seasoned Retail.
The 20 man did ruin my fun in this game. SOD P3 is a complete failure, now maining pvp, cant even have fun with those hybrid classes that are too OP like SHAMAN! My god its complicated to keep a good way to do things. DONT CHANGE A GOOD FORMULA LIKE 10MAN! Fuck 20 man!
arenas.
5v5, 10vs10 arenas.
Using Dire maul for 10vs10
Gurubashi and Orgrimmar arena for 5v5.
maybe 2v2 and 3v3, however i know the classic player-base is quite tough to convince here.
I strongly disagree with your 10 man raiding stance. My whole guild is loving 20 man raids, and if we DIGRESSED backwards into 10 mans, this would make so many players in my guild quit. We have 3X 20 man raids right now, and it feels so much more fun, more people to talk to and play with than just small 10 mans. The raids feel more epic and engaging in 20 mans. You get to compete dps and healing more in 20 mans. It's just better. It feels like a RAID. Where 10 just feels like a dungeon group.
Bring some Arena's
Bring Scarlet Citadel
Bring The dungeon finder
Bring the Battleground queued system. And change the ranking system. We want to play some alt as well getting rank 7 on each Char is discouraging.
Be alt frienldy
THere a lot of possibility! More passive less maccros, More passive less key binds.
Blizzcon 2023 didnt "sell out" because "hack-the-vision" Blizzard decided to just sell as many tickets as possible right up until the event. I was there, it was completely jammed and way too crowded. I think they canceled this years because overwhelming negative feedback. It was the worst blizzcon ive ever attended, having been two other times.
The blood moon events are awesome ! But 1 week after season 4 was released I had all my gear, now I just log on for the 1 time week raid! That’s sad
Re: End of video? No, don't empty kitchen sink, I think barbershop is fine, new leveling zones ect, but I really want the focus to be on new dungeons/raids from the old rumored raids.
Plz bring back 10 man in p4. So much easier having 1 melee focused grp and 2nd with caster/healers. This fighting over having wild strikes, trueshot aura is just so ass. Also of course easier and faster making them
The world buffs are getting out of control. Make them only work outside of the raid. I mean, you struggle hard to get +1% crit on your gear, and it’s a great achivement. And then you get 10% from the wb, it kinda takes away the the feeling.
Keep 20man but remove raid lockouts and switch to per boss drop lockouts. Ezfix
Exactly
so im in bad pug and i need loot from last boss. we wipe on 1st boss, i instantly leave and find another pug because im not locked.
On the other hand if im locked might aswell try to finish the run, explain strats etc.
that would be most toxic change, for classic community esp.
@@ar4ijs97 thing is you arent going to avoid people being toxic so it doesnt rly matter, Im not saying ur wrong at all tho. people were already trying to gate keep the raids since level 25 so...
This would kill the pug community because toxic people will bail on a run at the first wipe lol
SoD = Season of Disarray
No BlizzCon in the year that WoW celebrates 20 years online? It’s a sad day indeed…….
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Saber slash is simming ahead of every mut build except carnage mut which most people don’t run
I disagree on the 10 man raids, it doesnt feel like raiding and I never had any issue to get a raiding team together, in fact this phase is the first time i was seriously clearing the raid with a guild setup and it finally felt like real raiding with the guild and not like running instances with people you'll never see again, almost like looking for raid/group kind of content
I just hope they announce soon what will Happen to the servers / characters from SoD long term
Quality of Life changes
1. I would like Glamor/Transmog in the game!
2. The World Buff, potions, elixirs.. food buffs.. need changes around length and persistance through death.....it makes trying to raid a week of farming, raid, more farming.. not fun
3. More optimally placed graveyards and flight points (STV at Rebel Camp for example)
On the world buffs complaint.. you have 7 DAYS to collect 2 WBs (3 if DMF is up) why is this such a hardship?? Also, enchants are enchants - you dont lose them on death, seems like you added this in to bolster your complaint. The rest is just a gold issue but gold is easy to farm.
Fr lmao, takes me and buddy twenty minutes tops to re collect the wbs after raid
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I dissagree, the wild offering system can make a USELESS dungeon INTERESTING by adding that extra something (like in brd you have voracity, rare boes like ribsplitter, can even get large brilliant shard de mats from few bosses, and dmf cards because mobs are humanoid) so you can add the offering to the farm and try for 12 minute runs or speedruns.
Mara, people run it for dagger, almost everyone has it by now and they have stopped, also even mara 10 man is AMAZING whats wrong with doing 35 minute 5 speedruns with crazy zuggers using 2% brain and then gambling for four of nightmares? I personally love it that with 1 item token they can make dungeon relevant to farm and find new ways to run through, imagine doing scholo for offering or stratholme 10 man
i just dont agree with the 10 man system. sure, it could be an option. but the VAST majority of players in SoD are current/returning classic players. Those of us who are classic/classic+ passionate do NOT want retail type players coming in and pushing for the entire raid equation to be altered. 40 man raiding is literally THE focus of vanilla. Now, it could be argued that because these are "level up raids", 10m makes sense. But, because the phases are level locked, having constant 10m level up raids locks people in to that mindset and guild comp, so then when we ding 60 and head into 40m, its going to throw everything off, and people will just whine until the classic 40m raids (or potential new ones) are pushed down to 10m. This would kill the feel of classic/vanilla WoW. Noty. If 40m raids are not your thing, go hit up retail/mop remix when it comes out, etc.
i dont understand the complain about 20man, classic was about 40man. This 10man fiesta was a joke from p1 and boring same for wbuffs amount, it was always like 3, ZG; ONY, DMF. This is classic literally
pls no heroics. Part of what made Classic cool was that i had to go back to NORMAL strath and kill a harder boss for atiesh, I had to go back to BRD for MC attune, I had to do UBRS for Ony AND BWL. Just do more of that instead of heroic. Make summons / trigger bosses that require level 60 and a quest item.
I'm willing to bet that most people who think 20m is so much better than 10m and that 40m is going to be just amazing, they aren't the ones organizing it. I'm sure it's great when all you have to do is just show up and join the raid.
If you're the one scheduling it, filling the guild and raid roster via recruitment or adding pugs, and leading the raid.. that sounds like a job instead of a game.
Remember, 40m raiding was "so good" that Bliz killed it off with WoW's first expansion and replaced 20m/40m raiding with 10m/25m, and they never looked back.
Ya'll probably start singing a different tune when your guild and raid leaders start to burn out and leave at lvl 60.
i refuse to use mutilate. I hate the ability. It's just boring and annoying. I'm using the saber slash now with the buff. But I'm a tank I want to use Main Gauche to help my healers. Yes 10% parry is small but it's still something. I wish they would change Main Gauche to 10% damage reduction instead of 10% parry. And make it buff Sinister strikes damage for 20 seconds by 100% or something. So tanks can actually use our tank hand rune. And if the worry is dps rogues using it for whatever reason (which they won't over Mutilate) just make it so Main Gauche can only be used while having the tank rune.
I love the pvp one shot fest. It makes healers super relevant. Now it's just boring and bad. If they want to fix it , maybe DONT ALLOW GROUPS for blood moon event.
The damage reduction in PvP is a little too much, some classes are going OOM in 1v1 battles and you can forget BG battles. The % just needs to be adjused appropriately. Before it was way to much, SWP and Void Plague could almost kill someone on their own, now it does 25% of their health (and takes 24 seconds to do that)
Yeah im probably quitting sod, and by extension wow, soon. Guild is dying in P3 and that seems like its only gonna get worse. Oh well, P1 was hype. Tons of fun, and actually felt like I could play on different characters. Now it just feels like I’m hard stuck on my main.
How would increasing the energy cost of Mutilate help buff Saber Slash? That would just nerf Mutilate. That was the dumbest take you've had in the 10 or so videos of yours I've watched. I forgive you, though.
The damage debuff makes BM unplayable. Healers like druids and priests and heal themselves and their group through all damage right. Aimed shot should be crit for 400 when it used to crit for 1.2k-1.8k
Not a fan of season 3 at all. Im sure its the unpopular opinion. But im having 0 fun. it feels completely (forced) grind heavy (WO's, Incursions, BGs) as opposed to playing the content you want and still being able to get a solid set of gear. There are little to no rewards for dungeons. and the change in raid size has made pugs completely disappear and has forced more of a join a guild (no issues with that) and have to log in for specific raid schedules just to play. What brought me to SOD from other "classic" option was how casual you could be and still play. That seems to now be gone in S3. again, actually gone back to retail for the new season of Mythics which is kinda sad because i really liked SOD. again this is just my opinion I'm not telling people how to feel. So if you are enjoying S3. keep on enjoying.
Honestly they need to change so much to get me to level to 60. 20m raids is a good step. 10m sucked & 40m sucks. There must be a brand new raid at lvl 60 right away. This is a biggy. Not grinding MC, BWL, AQ before anything new launches. World buffs must persist through death. Raid buffs like demonic pact need to be raid wide. Buffing needs to be raid wide. Some sort of currency needs to be added to raiding with a vendor so after an entire phase of never even seeing an item drop, or seeing it once and losing it, at least u can go get it at some point. School specific spell immunities need to be removed. Recipe's like greater fire power elixir have no reason to be gate kept behind AQ this time. Black Lotus needs a % chance to drop from any high lvl herb. An alchemy station needs to be added to a major city to make flasks. They either need to give gathering proffs something useful like on use haste for herbalists, or everyone gets 2 crafting, 1 gathering, cooking/first aid. Enchanting scrolls would be great too. Rare pattern spawns on vendors need to be made BoP or permanently there. The amount of ppl on every layer 24/7 around Qia right now is nuts. Summon stones need to be turned on. At the very least, flight paths from wotlk need to be added if not retail for ease of leveling alts. Also how about no for 1000g epic riding as it forces a lot of ppl to buy gold. Reg riding is 50g then 1000? Makes no sense at all.
My big thing with wPvP, they need to make some of these areas contested like outside of Deadmines, SFK, SM, and Ratchet. That would fix my issues with PvP personally.
I am still hoping for classic plus but if they just make it raid and pvp dominant then it won't be classic anyway. All of the OP runes and making traditional classes irrelevant by making another class out perform them: meh. Classic players want content. Add quest lines and 5 mans. SOD turned into Wrath jr after phase 2. Raid logging and only letting the min / maxers in your group. Boring.
i see the pvp change with mixed eyes. great for BG's semi OK for STV (what is thrash anyway) and horrible for duells 1vs1 (who shouldnt be the meta anyway)
only thing i hate now is that im kinda useless as mage in STV... i haven't found a group yet... before it been 5 mages but this is not possible anymore.
melee control the ground, druids are tanky as owl too, resto are OP healer... yeah... i don't find a spot there. if anyone know what to play as mage STV atm pls tell
We've struggled to change ot the 20 man format and honestly if they make new content 40 man I might be out (I am pretty much both the raid and guild leader). I've done 40 man raid leading and I have no interest in it for SOD. Let people do the 40 man stuff as classic content if they wish, but I really hope any new crafted content stays as 20 man.
P.S The Sunken Temple nerfs kinda wrecked P3 for us. We're a dad guild and will happily admit we're mid gamers.. but we trounced it on the first reset. I hope p4 is a bit harder and takes most guilds a few resets to fully clear.
I came back to play WoW SoD after not playing since 2009. I was having a great time. Not sure exactly but I've been slowly having less and less of a good time and wanting to log in less and less. I think ST has been the best raid so far by a large amount (Gnomer being the worst). However, I'm not having fun with world buffs what so ever and the cost of consumables is just far too high. I know that people say, "don't use world buffs if you don't like them." I just don't see that as a valid excuse because I want to perform well in my raids and don't want to feel like dead weight. I don't know, maybe I'm just too old and it just feels more and more like a waste of time. I'll probably stop playing soon. It's been fun while it lasted.
Having to reroll on a PvP server has also killed a great deal of my enjoyment. I don't understand how people find joy or fun in ganking people.
Also, I think the loot from the raid in this phase is an issue. Most classes just seem to need their three piece set and then their epic weapon. Too many BiS items are from the AH (not sure if this is a rogue only issue).
Wanting more 10 mans and complaining about 20 mans for vanilla+ content is a L take... The whole reason why vanilla is good is because you are weak compared to the environment so you need 20-40 mans to clear (or take forever to do it). The Comeback Kids just asking more and more for retail accessibility.
If you dont like the grind, play retail! The essence of classic are hellish grinds like Timbermaw Hold, Thorium Brotherhood, Hydraxian Waterlords and the Winterspring frostsaber-mount
What's the point of switching resilience in PvP if the only PvP is STV and people are getting bored of it
I just gave up. Economy was bad already, and incursions made it worse. If you didnt do then the first days, RIP. Old runes hard to get, costly, time consuming, are now free. I dont mind that. Is that we lose the time/gold spent in an already inflated economy. Shams still OP, shadow priest dots are op in pvp. Major changes to some classes... by the time they do mages it will be phase 4. Im already burned out. I have not even done the 20 man raid once. Guild fell apart. Hard to do 10 mans, imagine 20. Cant pug cause of lockouts. Ggs
Yeah for Shamans, rolling thunder is definitely useless, need to keep flame shock up and you dump your stacks on interrupts. I also think it's funny they gave us a nature set bonus on our tier this phase but are pushing for us to go fire. Rolling Thunder should have been Fire Ele like warlocks Felguard. I LOVE the flat reduction in PVP damage. I'm so sick of landing at an FP and welp I'm dead again... getting instantly one shot all the time feels awful, especially when I am well geared.
Unfortunately I quit playing, Had 3 geared characters with max gear, got soooo monotonous playing. My sod endgame now is called "Helldivers 2".
Phase 1 was nice for me because the raid wasn't wotlk heroic mode hard. The raids have been getting progressively harder and I feel the bulk of SoD players would rather have less mechanics. If I want to play hard content I'd be playing Wrath/cata/retail. I enjoy this version of the game because it's simple and like 40 man raids.
I feel personally attacked when you show execute needing a nerf lol, that’s messed up man. I can say with 100% confidence that warriors are THE ONLY class that isn’t busted in pvp, it’s actually really miserable out here being a warrior lol. And we have to get you to 25% to be able to use that ability, only for you to dodge,parry or us miss lol! It should be a strong move, cause honestly, we’re struggling out here to kill any class unless we have a healer following us. I’m sure all of you know when you see a warrior out and about you’re like, oh this poor soul lol! BAM! And as you walk away victorious you’re like wow! He managed to not die immediately what a badass!
cancelled my sub today. I'm not going to pay to see how Phase 4 gets botched, I'll just watch on youtube.
Phase 1 was a lot of fun and a neat idea. It felt very well thought-out. But the more time that passes, the more clear it becomes that there was never a plan and they're just winging it. The horrible botch of nightmare incursions created major gaps in level and money, not to mention being completely unplayable on PVP realms since the questgivers are perma-camped by the people who sped to 50 in the first few hours. Not to mention the raid was so hard that NO ONE could beat it. this is supposed to be a "fun" version of wow, and even the sweaty try-hards couldn't down this thing without it getting nerfed after a week or two. Phase 3 was a complete embarrassment and I'm glad it dropped and got some time in before my 6-month sub was due to get charged again.
Maybe if the dev team wasn't being tapped to make some kind of pirate game no one asked for or cares about, or resurrect the version of WOW that literally drove millions of players to cancel their subscriptions, they could have done something with the hit that was SOD Phase 1.
Dps Paladin has been a disappointment this season. P1 started out promising, but P2 degenerated into fishing for crits so we can spam exorcism which can be fun, but I've had more than enough times where I've had to wait the entire cooldown of exo because I got unlucky and it feels horrible. P3 is the exact same rotation. Meanwhile, we keep getting half our runes dedicated to trying to make shockadin work, but that relies even more on getting crits to do mediocre damage.
All that combined with my absolute hatred for ST, I'm taking the bench this phase and praying it all clicks together at 60. If it doesn't and my BIS is still a mace from gnomer, I'm going to quit. I don't have the time to invest into another character.
Paladin is not fun to play. I would rather play one in classic era.
THANK YOU for saying it's the developers fault for exploits. Every time I have said this on reddit, I get flamed. I'm glad we can agree.
The real problem with PvP in SoD is that they made PVE based content that is now a focus point of PVP because they didn't include AV in this phase which was a huge mistake. The best way by far to get honor is by farming kills in Incursions, AV would've solved this but blizz failed to see that sadly.
More and more this channel is becoming “I want you to enjoy the game how I enjoy it.” People like different things. People will always find ways around friction in game. There will always be ways to exploit things. And some may do it. Some may not. I personally didn’t take advantage of the broken incursions, but have recently for my alts. I’m enjoying doing my gathering loops. Why does it matter how I got there? Let me enjoy how I play. You can enjoy how you play. ❤
World buffs are terrible. They should be completely disabled for max level. It's super toxic trying to maintain your buffs through a raid. Consumes are fine cause you bring 100 of them. I'd love to see world buffs just disappear or at least persist through death.
Give 10 man raids back! 20 is ruining everything in SoD. Worldbuffs also are too much of a huzzle. Not because they are needed, but because all meta hunter raidleader make them absolutely mandatory.
Paladins will ALWAYS be crying. Its a joke. Mutilate also should cost more energy. They can spam it more then most frontal soft hitting attacks.