I'm mixed and gave up trying to follow any trend for black hair, the first time I had my hair braided (just half with the rest flowing like Alicia Keys). My 2c-3b hair said, YOU TRIED IT!! 😂 I felt so happy when I finally learned in my early 20's to finger comb or to use a wide tooth comb on my hair and a little leave-in conditioner. Another weird thing is that black women with type 4 hair would ask me how I styled my hair. My simple routine takes very little time, and they would be so disappointed. The natural hair community sold everyone lies.
Yes exactly! Less is more with my hair too. I run some product in my hair in the shower and dry it. Everyone's hair is different, but no one should have to feel like they need an entire weekend off to style their hair. That was a big issue for me with the community. Thanks for watching!
I’m just surprised they can’t tell the difference in textures, and that of course the styling strategies would be different. Or even us mixed women, however I think for us it’s more about having been told we were “black” so we followed along with what black people did, naturally. Growing up, my hair wasn’t treated the same as the black kids in my family because my hair was much looser/silkier in texture. They’d get the heavy greases, cornrows, hot combs and relaxers, and I got the Pink Lotion and LA Looks gel, English braids, buns and had to beg for a (regretted) texturizer when I was a teenager. I think if the black community was honest with themselves, not only would they immediately realize that we don’t have the same type of hair, but that the natural hair movement of the 2000’s was for mixed women, not black women. We were the face of it, we were the majority popular content creators, and we made majority of the new curly hair brands and websites. And it followed right after petitioning for our own racial category in the US census, so it makes sense. The black community had their natural hair movement in the 60’s/70’s with the “black is beautiful” and Afros and such. They didn’t want it, and as soon as Gheri curl got introduced in the 80’s, those Afros were GONE. Then when fake hair became more easily available, they flocked to that too. Now they live in lacefronts and are on the creamy crack. They pretended the mixed women they saw in the movement represented them, and got angry when they couldn’t replicate our curls without a 3 day process of shingling, twisting and drying. So then they accused us of “stealing” the natural hair movement 🙄.
The irony is the natural hair community started with curly haired women from all backgrounds embracing their curls, not UADSBW. I remember it began on a blog before it went to UA-cam, if I’m not mistaken. The blog showcased women from all ethnicity backgrounds with curly hair. It didn't start as a "black girls only club" until the UA-cam days. Then is was "hijacked" by UADSBW who later started excusing us of hijacking it from them lol. I have combination type 4 hair but can easily straighten it (my hair takes heat beautifully). I grew up getting my hair pressed for church every Sunday. The heat and grease is what grew my hair down my back. But after 2007, I started listening to the NHC and my hair wouldnt grow past my clavicle. It was the first time in my life I had short hair. It's like they sabotaged us (not saying it was intentionally done) but it messed up my hair for years. I stopped listening to them and did what always worked for me and my hair is thriving again. I love your channel!! 🌺⚜️🫶🏽
Wow that is ironic! How strange to enter a community, become the front runner, and break it from the inside out. I'm not surprised the NHC advice didn't work for you because they go against their own advice today. I remember feeling so gaslit when the videos of mixed women taking over came out. Was Essence Fest not enough? The special store isles? The new products? Making a career out of UA-cam and being considered a black woman beauty standard wasn't even enough. Thanks for sharing!
I noticed this too. I went natural back in 2009/2010 and there wasn't all this curly vs kinky or light vs dark before. People were posting hair pics and advice on forums and blogs and length journeys were big. Now you're called obsessed if you try to grow your hair long. It's crazy
This is what infuriates me about them. They play victim rather than addressing their issues/ insecurities. They blame the women they’re envious of and because we used to have sympathy for them we allowed them to. I’m just so glad we’re taking back our voices. Twists out look very similar to the 3C curl pattern. If anything, the natural hair movement for them was to look more like our hair and when they realized they couldn’t, they went on the attack. I’ve seen girls perm their edges to slick them down. I’ve seen product reviews surrounding the firmest gel hold you can buy, and I’ve seen girls use half a tub of gel just to slick their entire hair down. It didn’t become hijacked until they started envying. Great topic! I too came from EU!
Yes it shocks me how quickly they went from "I love your hair" to "you think you're better than us" when we were literally just existing. But the reality was that we didn't put ourselves on a pedestal, they did when they said "I can't 4c my hair doing this". Thanks for sharing beautiful!
Right! They flocked to the hair channels of Mixed Women because of their envy of our 3C hair but then when those channels rose to the forefront due to all the likes and views, then all of a sudden we hijacked the movement? There are more Black people than Mixed people, we are quite literally the minority within a minority. So if we get pushed to the forefront, it is 100% Black Women's fault because it wouldn't happen without them!
This! These Women flocked to the hair channels of Mixed Women because of their envy of 3C hair, but once their channels were pushed to the forefront because of all the likes and views, all of a sudden we hijacked the movement? There are more Black Women than Mixed Women. We are quite literally the minority within a minority. If Mixed Women get pushed to the forefront of a movement they claim was for Black Women, it is 100% Black 🚺 fault because it couldn't have happened without their support!
The point about the natural hair community moving from making hair videos to complaining/political ones is so true! MLS girls making our curly hair routine vids rlly ignited their own self hatred. And I agree if they supported themselves and their hair type they could've been just as popular with trips and brand deals etc.
Yeah there are so many channels that secretly have agendas. They definitely had their chance to grow, not sure if it will come back around though. Thanks for commenting!
I stopped sleeping in bonnets a few years back. It gives me hot flashes and my face sweat in my sleep lol! My hair hates them and it irritates my psoriasis even more.
Type "4" hair still looks good... The hate doesn't start until 4C, but 4A and 4B hair still look good and is still easy to take care of. There's a lot of UA-camrs with nice videos of their 4A/4B hair.👍
I think the hair typing graph is limited and does not include the subcategories or each type... I have no idea what my hair type is... It is straight at the roots, thin and curls tightly at the middle and ends.. Plus it is high porosity. But tbh.. I have not seen one natural hair video that did teach which products helped either change or loosen the 4c texture... Every natural hair video was about how to get a mixed womans hair texture.
The hair graph is limited, stupid and (of course) created by men. They are always trying to divide us. Those natural hair videos get depressing to listen to very quickly.
Lets be real women with 4c were watching tutorials for 3c hair and trying that out but obviously it wasn't working for their hair. Now everyone wearing lave fronts and knotless braids
I think you made a lot of great points and everyone should be able to embrace who they are naturally without pushback. I think there are hair gurus who do say none of the “my 4c hair could never” like Mayowa, like Brittany Rose, etc. etc. However, biracial hair shouldn’t be what people think of, or push to the front, when they think of black hair. Because on average it looks very different, they behave differently, and they use different things to thrive. So when we look at Zendaya on Shake it Up or KC Undercover, or we look at Jennifer Freeman in My Wife & Kids, or Amandla Stenberg in the Hate U Give, Tracee Ellis Ross in Girlfriends, etc etc etc etc. these are biracial women pushed into roles with two black parents. These are biracial women, that the media has taken and erased half of the identity of to make the idea of beauty and blackness more palatable to the masses. I remember looking up natural hair videos and getting people with 3C hair putting 4C in the title. And that is dangerous, because that causes insecurities in the 4C community. NOW, don’t get me wrong, we absolutely should not be acting crazy and putting people with looser curls down, but people with looser curls don’t experience texturism in the same way a woman with 4C hair would. Mixed women have hair representation that’s often pushed off as black or you all have curly hair representation in general. Sister Sister’s Tia and Tamera, Natalie la Rose, Dytto, Julia Roberts, Brave’s Merida, Black-ish’s Yara Shahidi, Dear White People’s Logan Browning, Alicia Keys, Lisa Bonnet, Tori Kelly, etc. just to name a few. Curly hair isn’t seen as unattractive, unprofessional, or pushed in the media as unattractive or unprofessional. But 4C hair is. I think there needs to be a push to embrace natural over straightening and relaxing. Because at the end of the day there’s not a single black woman who is popular in the media (Beyonce, Oprah, Rihanna, Simone Biles, Ice Spice, Serena Williams, Viola Davis, etc) who doesn’t straighten her hair or wear a wig that looks straight. So black women with straight hair have femininity, popularity, and representation. We need that same surge for black women with natural 4C looking hair and hairstyles. Should people be bullying others, NO. But there’s a difference between a critique and an abolition. Saying more black women should wear their natural hair as opposed to rocking relaxers and lace fronts isn’t a rejection of autonomy, but a call to correct the insecurities that have been pushed for so long. At the end of the day black women can do whatever they want with their hair to survive and feel the most confident, but we should strive to be our happiest as possible while being as natural as possible. And 4C girlies ABSOLUTELY need to uplift each other, and it was a tough pill to swallow but you’re right, the community absolutely didn’t do what it needed to, to maintain itself. I just wish there would’ve been mention of the things 4C girls face as opposed to what I deemed as ‘4C girls are insecure, bitter, bullies.’
Post Scripture: I do want to say that I don't think 4C lessons should've hijacked your video, but the topic of the natural hair community and its animosity with curly representation goes deeper than what I deemed as ‘4C girls are insecure, bitter, bullies.’
Curly hair is often represented as something unruly, wild and needing to be fixed in the media. To say that it isn’t or hasn’t been is disingenuous at least and gaslighting at worst. I have curly hair, so I can’t do the deep dive you’re looking for on 4c hair. In fact, I won’t do one. I’m not pointing out the struggles of each separate community or I would’ve droned on about why the curly hair movement started, which is much more nuanced than you give it credit for all because mixed people are represented in Hollywood as black (not even as ourselves which harms our community). This is about the hypocrisy we’re facing. Don’t one drop us and then tell us to stop representing you. Don’t say we’re lying about being type 3 and then be upset when we think we’re type 4. Don’t obsess over our hair videos and then claim we hijacked the natural hair movement. Take some accountability for your own actions. If you’re still confused, please see this video: ua-cam.com/video/C_hM-kmsTPY/v-deo.htmlsi=4gAZWGmPx0bH-Wtx
@@AllMixedUpMGM I mentioned that people with curly hair don’t experience texturism in the same way that people with 4C hair do, I never said that you all don’t experience texturism. What I said was that the media doesn’t portray curly hair in an unprofessional or unattractive way, and for that look no farther than the many examples I listed. I also didn’t ask you to do a deep dive on 4C hair, and even said it shouldn’t hijack your video. What I did say was that the topic was deeper or more nuanced than ‘4C girls are jealous.’ I think it’s a bit hypocritical to say that I didn’t give the curly hair community nuance while giving absolutely NO nuance to the women who don’t benefit from being represented by you all and writing them off as bitter and jealous. I also mentioned that not being portrayed as biracial, but black completely erases half of you all’s identity which is harmful to the black and biracial community. I’m also confused on why you’re talking about the one drop rule in one sentence and in the next saying it’s harmful for people to be portrayed as one thing when they’re many. I also explained that no one should be bullying anyone, so the lying comment and accountability comment come off extremely aggressive for no reason at all. And I also pointed out that portraying only one hair type is also harmful, so the obsessive sentence still doesn’t track. You didn’t really address anything I wrote and instead got extremely upset with me over saying you should’ve given more nuance to 4C people as opposed to saying y’all are jealous and bitter and mean. When if we can agree that some 4C people bully looser textures and curly hair is still doing fine in the work place, media, and on the dating market, why wouldn’t the opposite be true where curly hair benefits at the downfall of 4C being misrepresented, seen as the unattractive “curly or natural” hair, and seen as less professional. It paints an extremely nuanced issue as one side is just mad, when there’s a lot of proof and examples stating something completely different. You also don’t hold your own community accountable for doing the same thing you accuse 4C people of doing. But once again, I don’t really understand why your reply was both aggressive and just blatantly disregarding everything I wrote when I gave you credit where credit was due and wasn’t rude at all.
As a Biracial Black man, I came across this Natural Hair movement for UABW, and saw UABW saying mixed/Light skin/Exotical women invaded the space. It did not make any sense. If a movement was created for them, how can someone who is not the target audience invade it?
@@rocko4496 Oh then in that context yeah I’m not sure how that happened either 😂 Only people with 4c hair can keep the 4c hair movement going, what everyone else does shouldn’t have mattered. I don’t have 4c hair so if I make a hair video I can’t represent them
The problem in the natural hair community is the reason I discovered your channel and Exoticals United. I don't know why I was surprised at the negativity directed to LSW and biracial people on some of the natural hair channels. I did find some helpful information and professional haircare experts on a few of the natural hair channels. But I was tired of the bullying and the people who were actually proud of being hateful on other channels. I think it is wrong to try and make anyone feel inferior for the way that they were created. That includes all people of all skintones. Is it even possible to expect racial equality in the world when we are divided in our own over trivial matters such as hair texture and skintone ? I got tired of tolerating the hate. I will no longer feel that I have to apologize for being who I am. That is what led me to search for channels that were accepting of multiracial people. Not only did I find acceptance but I discovered channels like this one that are actually celebrating it. Thank you❤
So happy we have a space that makes you feel comfortable! I found EU the exact same way, especially being told I couldn't be part of the conversation in the black community because of my phenotype. I felt very excluded and wanted to be accepted. But I feel free knowing I don't have to beg for that acceptance anymore!
Even now it's rather hard to find products like Mixed Chicks, Shea Moisture, and other brands intended for those who have thin, frizzy and wavy like I have.
I'm mixed and gave up trying to follow any trend for black hair, the first time I had my hair braided (just half with the rest flowing like Alicia Keys). My 2c-3b hair said, YOU TRIED IT!! 😂 I felt so happy when I finally learned in my early 20's to finger comb or to use a wide tooth comb on my hair and a little leave-in conditioner. Another weird thing is that black women with type 4 hair would ask me how I styled my hair. My simple routine takes very little time, and they would be so disappointed. The natural hair community sold everyone lies.
Yes exactly! Less is more with my hair too. I run some product in my hair in the shower and dry it. Everyone's hair is different, but no one should have to feel like they need an entire weekend off to style their hair. That was a big issue for me with the community. Thanks for watching!
I’m just surprised they can’t tell the difference in textures, and that of course the styling strategies would be different. Or even us mixed women, however I think for us it’s more about having been told we were “black” so we followed along with what black people did, naturally. Growing up, my hair wasn’t treated the same as the black kids in my family because my hair was much looser/silkier in texture. They’d get the heavy greases, cornrows, hot combs and relaxers, and I got the Pink Lotion and LA Looks gel, English braids, buns and had to beg for a (regretted) texturizer when I was a teenager.
I think if the black community was honest with themselves, not only would they immediately realize that we don’t have the same type of hair, but that the natural hair movement of the 2000’s was for mixed women, not black women. We were the face of it, we were the majority popular content creators, and we made majority of the new curly hair brands and websites. And it followed right after petitioning for our own racial category in the US census, so it makes sense.
The black community had their natural hair movement in the 60’s/70’s with the “black is beautiful” and Afros and such. They didn’t want it, and as soon as Gheri curl got introduced in the 80’s, those Afros were GONE. Then when fake hair became more easily available, they flocked to that too. Now they live in lacefronts and are on the creamy crack. They pretended the mixed women they saw in the movement represented them, and got angry when they couldn’t replicate our curls without a 3 day process of shingling, twisting and drying. So then they accused us of “stealing” the natural hair movement 🙄.
I found your channel through Exoticals United. I forgot that Mixed Chicks was founded in 2004. You're right because the NHM started in the 2010s.
It showed up, claimed it started everything and then blamed brands that were here first for not being inclusive enough. It’s honestly laughable
Binging your videos right now while doing yoga at home ❤
Thank you beautiful!
The irony is the natural hair community started with curly haired women from all backgrounds embracing their curls, not UADSBW. I remember it began on a blog before it went to UA-cam, if I’m not mistaken. The blog showcased women from all ethnicity backgrounds with curly hair. It didn't start as a "black girls only club" until the UA-cam days. Then is was "hijacked" by UADSBW who later started excusing us of hijacking it from them lol. I have combination type 4 hair but can easily straighten it (my hair takes heat beautifully). I grew up getting my hair pressed for church every Sunday. The heat and grease is what grew my hair down my back. But after 2007, I started listening to the NHC and my hair wouldnt grow past my clavicle. It was the first time in my life I had short hair. It's like they sabotaged us (not saying it was intentionally done) but it messed up my hair for years. I stopped listening to them and did what always worked for me and my hair is thriving again. I love your channel!! 🌺⚜️🫶🏽
Wow that is ironic! How strange to enter a community, become the front runner, and break it from the inside out. I'm not surprised the NHC advice didn't work for you because they go against their own advice today. I remember feeling so gaslit when the videos of mixed women taking over came out. Was Essence Fest not enough? The special store isles? The new products? Making a career out of UA-cam and being considered a black woman beauty standard wasn't even enough. Thanks for sharing!
I noticed this too. I went natural back in 2009/2010 and there wasn't all this curly vs kinky or light vs dark before. People were posting hair pics and advice on forums and blogs and length journeys were big. Now you're called obsessed if you try to grow your hair long. It's crazy
Facts as a black woman I agree with you ! They trash other black women who don’t buy into their BS. Js
This is what infuriates me about them. They play victim rather than addressing their issues/ insecurities. They blame the women they’re envious of and because we used to have sympathy for them we allowed them to. I’m just so glad we’re taking back our voices. Twists out look very similar to the 3C curl pattern. If anything, the natural hair movement for them was to look more like our hair and when they realized they couldn’t, they went on the attack. I’ve seen girls perm their edges to slick them down. I’ve seen product reviews surrounding the firmest gel hold you can buy, and I’ve seen girls use half a tub of gel just to slick their entire hair down. It didn’t become hijacked until they started envying. Great topic! I too came from EU!
Yes it shocks me how quickly they went from "I love your hair" to "you think you're better than us" when we were literally just existing. But the reality was that we didn't put ourselves on a pedestal, they did when they said "I can't 4c my hair doing this". Thanks for sharing beautiful!
This! I made a whole 3 paragraph comment about this but you summed it up beautifully.
FACTS!
Right! They flocked to the hair channels of Mixed Women because of their envy of our 3C hair but then when those channels rose to the forefront due to all the likes and views, then all of a sudden we hijacked the movement? There are more Black people than Mixed people, we are quite literally the minority within a minority. So if we get pushed to the forefront, it is 100% Black Women's fault because it wouldn't happen without them!
This! These Women flocked to the hair channels of Mixed Women because of their envy of 3C hair, but once their channels were pushed to the forefront because of all the likes and views, all of a sudden we hijacked the movement? There are more Black Women than Mixed Women. We are quite literally the minority within a minority. If Mixed Women get pushed to the forefront of a movement they claim was for Black Women, it is 100% Black 🚺 fault because it couldn't have happened without their support!
Oh wow I didn’t know that deva curl didn’t work as well on type 4, I loved deva curl products back in the day!
Yes I remember seeing reviews of type 4 hair gurus totally trashing the brand for not catering to them
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Same!
The point about the natural hair community moving from making hair videos to complaining/political ones is so true! MLS girls making our curly hair routine vids rlly ignited their own self hatred. And I agree if they supported themselves and their hair type they could've been just as popular with trips and brand deals etc.
Yeah there are so many channels that secretly have agendas. They definitely had their chance to grow, not sure if it will come back around though. Thanks for commenting!
I have curly hair and I love my curls. So many facts spoken in this video. Great video.
Thank you so much!
Omg bonnets work HORRIBLY On me they just make my whole head sweaty while I’m sleeping 😂 ok I’m done spamming your video comments section now 😅
I will take ALL the spam haha! And yes I keep trying bonnets and they are not it for me
I stopped sleeping in bonnets a few years back. It gives me hot flashes and my face sweat in my sleep lol! My hair hates them and it irritates my psoriasis even more.
@@LongLostYellowRanger Yep my edges grew back in once I stopped wearing bonnets.
They just slip off my head lol
Type "4" hair still looks good... The hate doesn't start until 4C, but 4A and 4B hair still look good and is still easy to take care of. There's a lot of UA-camrs with nice videos of their 4A/4B hair.👍
This video was amazing-sooo much truth! New subby here 🙋🏻♀️. Oh, and as per your ending words- Viva nuestra las bellas cabellas rizadas! 🌀 🫶🏼
Bienvenidos a mi canal! Happy to have you here! 💛
I love mixed chicks😭 the styling cream is so good! I never used a styling cream as good as that one.
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Yay! Thank you! More videos to come!
I think the hair typing graph is limited and does not include the subcategories or each type... I have no idea what my hair type is... It is straight at the roots, thin and curls tightly at the middle and ends.. Plus it is high porosity.
But tbh.. I have not seen one natural hair video that did teach which products helped either change or loosen the 4c texture... Every natural hair video was about how to get a mixed womans hair texture.
The hair graph is limited, stupid and (of course) created by men. They are always trying to divide us. Those natural hair videos get depressing to listen to very quickly.
Lets be real women with 4c were watching tutorials for 3c hair and trying that out but obviously it wasn't working for their hair. Now everyone wearing lave fronts and knotless braids
And they made it known how much they wanted type 3 hair to the point that it was uncomfortable to read the comment section
I have 3c/4a hair❤
Beautiful hair!! 💛
I think you made a lot of great points and everyone should be able to embrace who they are naturally without pushback. I think there are hair gurus who do say none of the “my 4c hair could never” like Mayowa, like Brittany Rose, etc. etc.
However, biracial hair shouldn’t be what people think of, or push to the front, when they think of black hair. Because on average it looks very different, they behave differently, and they use different things to thrive. So when we look at Zendaya on Shake it Up or KC Undercover, or we look at Jennifer Freeman in My Wife & Kids, or Amandla Stenberg in the Hate U Give, Tracee Ellis Ross in Girlfriends, etc etc etc etc. these are biracial women pushed into roles with two black parents. These are biracial women, that the media has taken and erased half of the identity of to make the idea of beauty and blackness more palatable to the masses.
I remember looking up natural hair videos and getting people with 3C hair putting 4C in the title. And that is dangerous, because that causes insecurities in the 4C community. NOW, don’t get me wrong, we absolutely should not be acting crazy and putting people with looser curls down, but people with looser curls don’t experience texturism in the same way a woman with 4C hair would.
Mixed women have hair representation that’s often pushed off as black or you all have curly hair representation in general. Sister Sister’s Tia and Tamera, Natalie la Rose, Dytto, Julia Roberts, Brave’s Merida, Black-ish’s Yara Shahidi, Dear White People’s Logan Browning, Alicia Keys, Lisa Bonnet, Tori Kelly, etc. just to name a few. Curly hair isn’t seen as unattractive, unprofessional, or pushed in the media as unattractive or unprofessional. But 4C hair is.
I think there needs to be a push to embrace natural over straightening and relaxing. Because at the end of the day there’s not a single black woman who is popular in the media (Beyonce, Oprah, Rihanna, Simone Biles, Ice Spice, Serena Williams, Viola Davis, etc) who doesn’t straighten her hair or wear a wig that looks straight. So black women with straight hair have femininity, popularity, and representation. We need that same surge for black women with natural 4C looking hair and hairstyles. Should people be bullying others, NO. But there’s a difference between a critique and an abolition. Saying more black women should wear their natural hair as opposed to rocking relaxers and lace fronts isn’t a rejection of autonomy, but a call to correct the insecurities that have been pushed for so long.
At the end of the day black women can do whatever they want with their hair to survive and feel the most confident, but we should strive to be our happiest as possible while being as natural as possible. And 4C girlies ABSOLUTELY need to uplift each other, and it was a tough pill to swallow but you’re right, the community absolutely didn’t do what it needed to, to maintain itself. I just wish there would’ve been mention of the things 4C girls face as opposed to what I deemed as ‘4C girls are insecure, bitter, bullies.’
Post Scripture: I do want to say that I don't think 4C lessons should've hijacked your video, but the topic of the natural hair community and its animosity with curly representation goes deeper than what I deemed as ‘4C girls are insecure, bitter, bullies.’
Curly hair is often represented as something unruly, wild and needing to be fixed in the media. To say that it isn’t or hasn’t been is disingenuous at least and gaslighting at worst. I have curly hair, so I can’t do the deep dive you’re looking for on 4c hair. In fact, I won’t do one. I’m not pointing out the struggles of each separate community or I would’ve droned on about why the curly hair movement started, which is much more nuanced than you give it credit for all because mixed people are represented in Hollywood as black (not even as ourselves which harms our community). This is about the hypocrisy we’re facing. Don’t one drop us and then tell us to stop representing you. Don’t say we’re lying about being type 3 and then be upset when we think we’re type 4. Don’t obsess over our hair videos and then claim we hijacked the natural hair movement. Take some accountability for your own actions.
If you’re still confused, please see this video: ua-cam.com/video/C_hM-kmsTPY/v-deo.htmlsi=4gAZWGmPx0bH-Wtx
@@AllMixedUpMGM I mentioned that people with curly hair don’t experience texturism in the same way that people with 4C hair do, I never said that you all don’t experience texturism. What I said was that the media doesn’t portray curly hair in an unprofessional or unattractive way, and for that look no farther than the many examples I listed. I also didn’t ask you to do a deep dive on 4C hair, and even said it shouldn’t hijack your video. What I did say was that the topic was deeper or more nuanced than ‘4C girls are jealous.’ I think it’s a bit hypocritical to say that I didn’t give the curly hair community nuance while giving absolutely NO nuance to the women who don’t benefit from being represented by you all and writing them off as bitter and jealous. I also mentioned that not being portrayed as biracial, but black completely erases half of you all’s identity which is harmful to the black and biracial community. I’m also confused on why you’re talking about the one drop rule in one sentence and in the next saying it’s harmful for people to be portrayed as one thing when they’re many. I also explained that no one should be bullying anyone, so the lying comment and accountability comment come off extremely aggressive for no reason at all. And I also pointed out that portraying only one hair type is also harmful, so the obsessive sentence still doesn’t track. You didn’t really address anything I wrote and instead got extremely upset with me over saying you should’ve given more nuance to 4C people as opposed to saying y’all are jealous and bitter and mean. When if we can agree that some 4C people bully looser textures and curly hair is still doing fine in the work place, media, and on the dating market, why wouldn’t the opposite be true where curly hair benefits at the downfall of 4C being misrepresented, seen as the unattractive “curly or natural” hair, and seen as less professional. It paints an extremely nuanced issue as one side is just mad, when there’s a lot of proof and examples stating something completely different. You also don’t hold your own community accountable for doing the same thing you accuse 4C people of doing. But once again, I don’t really understand why your reply was both aggressive and just blatantly disregarding everything I wrote when I gave you credit where credit was due and wasn’t rude at all.
BIG FACTS! I miss the natural hair community SO MUCH! Also, how beautiful that creole sounds!
I wish curly hair tutorials were popular again 😭 Mærsi!!! I’m so excited to become more comfortable with the language
I have 3a,b and c hair
As a Biracial Black man, I came across this Natural Hair movement for UABW, and saw UABW saying mixed/Light skin/Exotical women invaded the space. It did not make any sense. If a movement was created for them, how can someone who is not the target audience invade it?
I guess it depends on who you’re watching. Some channels are focused on specific identities while others are more inclusive
@@AllMixedUpMGM For clarification, I came across videos from UABW saying the movement for 4c hair failed.
@@rocko4496 Oh then in that context yeah I’m not sure how that happened either 😂 Only people with 4c hair can keep the 4c hair movement going, what everyone else does shouldn’t have mattered. I don’t have 4c hair so if I make a hair video I can’t represent them
The problem in the natural hair community is the reason I discovered your channel and Exoticals United. I don't know why I was surprised at the negativity directed to LSW and biracial people on some of the natural hair channels.
I did find some helpful information and professional haircare experts on a few of the natural hair channels. But I was tired of the bullying and the people who were actually proud of being hateful on other channels. I think it is wrong to try and make anyone feel inferior for the way that they were created. That includes all people of all skintones. Is it even possible to expect racial equality in the world when we are divided in our own over trivial matters such as hair texture and skintone ? I got tired of tolerating the hate. I will no longer feel that I have to apologize for being who I am. That is what led me to search for channels that were accepting of multiracial people. Not only did I find acceptance but I discovered channels like this one that are actually celebrating it. Thank you❤
So happy we have a space that makes you feel comfortable! I found EU the exact same way, especially being told I couldn't be part of the conversation in the black community because of my phenotype. I felt very excluded and wanted to be accepted. But I feel free knowing I don't have to beg for that acceptance anymore!
Even now it's rather hard to find products like Mixed Chicks, Shea Moisture, and other brands intended for those who have thin, frizzy and wavy like I have.
Any ladies have tips that have helped their mixed/biracial curly hair grow thick and healthy?
Ooo hair tips can be a new series! That way we can all help each other reach our goals
I think black women had success in this movement though, they changed things
Not helping matters: the UDSBM-dominated manosphere meddling, in this need to control BW (especially the few Swirlers and Divestors).