A Terrifying Investigation into CS2's Loading Times
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- Опубліковано 5 чер 2024
- This video contains a sponsored segment for Netduma. Get a limited-time launch discount on the Netduma R3 Gaming Router here: netduma.com/order/netduma-r3/ using the code '3kliks'
See the follow-up video here: • CS2 Load Times Reloaded
0:00 - A Traumatic Tale
0:34 - HD VS SSD VS NVME
2:39 - How to measure load times?
3:41 - The difference RAM could make
4:04 - NVME Speeds NOT tested
4:48 - Cheapest SSD tested
5:17 - External SSD
5:42 - When is a Drive not a Drive
7:14 - External HD
7:58 - Drive FAILURE
8:38 - Thumb drive in USB 3 port
12:02 - Conclusion - Ігри
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"Drank a few of my Elixers."
That fool, everyone knows you save those for the final boss but never actually use them during the final fight.
what? they are usable? i though they were collectibles because they are so rare
who did stole elixir from my village?
you never know, there might always be a super-mega-über-secret-extra-ultimate final boss afterwards that you might need every consumable to beat!
"There's a boss! Use the thing! THE THING!"
"Yeah, but is this the FINAL boss?"
....
"The credits are rolling."
"So they are..."
Ugh, I hate rare consumables. Just give me a thousand of 10hp potions so I don't have to save them!
I don’t think anyone thinks your content is boring!
Mf really watched the first second of the video and left a comment
Kliksphilip viewers 🗿
"I think his content is boring"
- Nobody
Some content of his can be boring. But that might be personal preference. Because I don't care about depth he goes into some topics and I find them irrelevant and boring. Personally I like his "going low in csgo" series or "case unboxing millionaire"
@@Steel0079 for me it's the opposite, I just don't really vibe with these 2 excellent series,
10:41, this is the last thing I could've ever expected to see in a load times video
what is that manga?
Fukigen Itoko ga Kawaisugite Shikatanai Side Naoki@3863
glad we both saw it!
Fukigen Itoko ga Kawaisugite Shikatanai (side naoki) / My Grumpy Cousin Is Too Cute
If someone needs to know
@@bertye why do you know it hmmm
+Is that the real 3kilks
-Hello (in a weird high pitch noise)
+Holy shit it is
I didn't expect to laugh so hard at this.
2:10 And during the sponsor read too!
Internet royalty.
Same. Holly shit, I laughed so hard
oh my god, i wasn't looking at the voice chat thing and i thought it was some random kid saying hello to philip lol
He's doing an e-girl voice
i really appreciate the person who marked 4:11, which is exactly when caboosing starts playing, as a highlight of the entire video
Double cabussy in one video. He is getting bolder.
sponsorblock?
@@ikbendusan of course
changed to 10:39 😱
some dumbass changed it
10:41
The artist is 高比良りと or Rito Takahira
The book is called 不機嫌イトコがかわい過ぎて仕方ない! or I can't help it because the grumpy guy is too cute!
I found the artists amazon page but am unable to find that particular book on amazon
I did find it in alot of other places, unfortunately i cant find a digital copy
Regardless i found it, this took me multiple hours cause i wasted time trying to find a digital copy before finding the actual book
Also i cant read Japanese
2:41 lol nice game variety
nice catch haha
I mean chapter 1 was so good he had to see what chapter 2 had in store
5:10 cat drive
hee ho
hee ho
hee ho?
hee ho
hee ho
10:41 i had no idea mr clicksPhilip was so incredibly based
...curious?
horror
I had to rewatch that part multiple times to confirm what it was
That was something his girlfriend bought, don't worry
It's from his trip to Japan
3:36 the cat appearance... I thought my cat jumped up on my desk and I reached out to pets for a split second.
10:40 philip enjoys fine reading
:D
it's his boyfriend's
They bought that in his Japan vlog lol
@@DGRWPFphilips boywife
i like food
5:17 Oh my god I'm a photographer and I keep thousands of photos on one of these things and didn't know about the random failing thing at all, ima need to get them off there asap 😵💫
Life saving info, thank you counter strike man 🙏
If it's important enough, remember the 3-2-1 rule: have three copies of your data, two of which are on different types of storage media, and one of which is saved offsite.
@@SundownMarkTwo You should also consider protecting yourself against ransomware. People often set up automatic backups, but some ransomware scans the system for that and uses the API keys used to perform backups to ransom the offsite data too. You can prevent this by using object storage with versioning and object lock or simply logging in before the backup and logging out after the backup without storing the password on the device.
I command you to back up your stuff, now!
7:03 Philip, what is that in the flash? Why is there a small mustached angry man?
i thought i was the only one to see that lmao
Subliminal messaging.
i think the best improvement to your content has been how fluffykins finds a way into almost any video. even this one. this isn't a tech channel, this is a cat channel!
10:42 😳
source?
what a day to have eyes 💀
@@Milkyoid sauce*
Haha yeah bros got good taste 😂
He bought it in the Japan video lol
My phone bugged out and I think I may have accidentally reported this video for misinformation!!! I did not mean to do that, but I wanted to turn myself (more so my phone, to be honest) in, just because I feel bad :(
take em away, boys.
As if google even reads those reports lmao
@@yorimirusI’ve actually gotten a video removed due to a report, though the video title was just straight up the n word 2 times in a row.
nah it just gets removed automatically if a very high percentage reports it for the same reason. the report will do absolutely nothing lol
The new music is so good
3:40 what a magnificent specimen
bro these background songs of yours and your dads are so good
Chaotic evil is when a game has an unskippable cutscene that doesn't load the game in the meantime.
We can be thankful for parameter editing
Any Kliks video makes my day at least a little better, gonna enjoy this one! :D
Thank you for giving us another retrospective segment :)
I can watch a video from you on literally any topic, love your content! :D
Thank u for blessing us with such a great video again philip. It was very interesting and entertaining 😊
Excellent video, good work as usual Phillip. Love that tiny arse USB on the keyring!
also I hope you didn't have to evacuate when they moved that bomb!
great video, had good amounts of Caboosing, one of the main things i was waiting for from this video.
i love when u make longer videos :) they make my day
Your content is amazing. I don’t think any other content creator looks at games in such an analytical and technical perspective like you do. Your videos have the perfect balance of humor and in a way are educational, yet the the things you learn are almost useless
Love your vids so much. Been watching since 10 years and you're one of the few UA-camrs where I click (klik) on every single upload and watch the video happily. Please never stop
Philip your Content is something I greatly appreciate and look forward too when I see it in my feed. That is all.
Damn that was a nice ad philip, actually it didnt even feel like one lmao, great video as always, much love from Brazil.
Thanks for the knowledge I never knew I didnt need. Love your videos :D
I was just binge watching all of your videos and suddenly you posted...
As always, great video Philip! Even though I haven't watched this full video yet 😂
Man I love that cat
A couple lil things I wanna add, as someone who used to use them for games, external SSDs can introduce a lot of latency and therefore stuttering in games, though probably not CS. The cost difference between pcie 3 and 4 drives is quite small too, last I bought one it was only a tenner
If you got a proper external SSD it works like a charm and without stutters and with the same performance as having a proper internal one.
That being said I'd still not recommend it unless you really need the games on the go, mainly for the obvious reasons like: Them clogging up the USB ports, taking up extra space and the fact that it's way too easy to accidentally unplug them just enough to loose your unsaved progress (especially if you got a pet running around).
i literally dont even play csgo or cs2 (nor do i watch it), yet i still watch your videos on a rather mundane part of the game just because i like the style of your videos. You're a special part of UA-camrs, philip
oh no the Elixers!! XD glad you were able to get your save back, just having a peace of mind that it's there would put me at ease
I fucking love your cat(s). Had to stop the video just to comment this the minute I saw him just standing there 3:40
very much appreciate all this mr fluffykins content we are getting, keep it up!
i love you, your presentations, and your cat phil !
Great video philip. Just wanna say that the WD green hardrive shown in the vid only spins at 5400rpm so it performs worse than the regular 7200rpm ones, which probably made the internal and external hdd results identical.
Did you ever do a video about the Audio settings that was implemented a few months ago?
Thanks, ur the man.
wow, i did not know the san disk ssds had failures, i had a lot of iomages aved on mine, jsut made a backup to my internal ssd. thank you for spreading the mesage
That region lock out feature on that router is gold for cs2... I'm jealous
Im sorry by why is there a brief moment of hitlers face at 7:03 that shit caught me off guard💀
Yup. wtf. WHY? Had to watch at 0.25 to see it.
Where? I can't see it.
Edit: Never mind, it's there. Must have been in wherever he got the footage from.
I love your videos because they can be any level of interesting. I can sit there and watch the same video to soothe my mind to fall asleep or to intently and actively listen to you go in depth on a topic to learn more about something. How do you manage to be so soothing and stimulating at once Philip?????
10:40 lovely to see your japan souvenirs on display
thanks Philippian, this video had many useful advices for someone not expertised in computers.
the implementation of cat has drastically increased the wonder of your videos and i very much apprechiate it :>
If anyone was wondering it took just about 13 seconds to load into the main menu with Optane. At least its fast to make up for costing 650 per 400gb on sale.
That Gen 5 drive paired with your signagure music sting just made me smile like an idiot. Never change Phillip, never change
Yep, your OS uses RAM as cache for files. If you open up task manager and look at the ram usage, then most of the "free" RAM is actually just random files from your hard drive being cached. You can use Sysinternals RAMMap to see how your RAM actually gets used and which files specifically are cached.
Another banger thanks mr klik
You say your stuff's boring, but I think that you make even the most pointless stuff like this very interesting. Either that or I just enjoy your content regardless of what it is. :)
I like that was filmed in Pripyat, very nice!
What about SD cards? The Steam Deck and other portable consoles can only really have their storage increased by using SD cards.
(Yes I know you can replace the internal SSD but most people won't do that. Using a USB dongle could work but it's very inconvenient if you want to use it portably)
Well it should be between SSD and USB 3.0 performance, I remember part of their initial marketing was about how it wasn't any different the performance from an SSD compared to the Micro SD
SD cards is on another rabbit hole. Since there's multiple class and capacity types of them (varying of speed).
@@snowballtacoburrito8758 depends on type but common cheap sd cards get like 20 MB/s
compared to usb 3.0 which is around 400 MB/s
though i suspect MB/s is not the only relevant metric
@@vincent78433 yeah usually cache size and it's speed and the mem manager too many things, I was talking about the competent ones like the ones sold by valve and other reputable brands. But I am also highly skeptical about their longevity flash storage has fail me a lot
@@vincent78433somewhat correct: the most important metrics are in MB/S, random read/write and sustained read/write. Response time in ms shouldn't really matter for loading a game.
Bruh 3:39
I was watching in a dark room from my tv and tought that my cat jumoed in front of it 😂😂
Nice video! I would love if you could test different linux distros and compare them to windows. I'm probably ditching windows in the next months and I'd like to know what's my best option or if I'd had to dual boot. Thanks for your great content ^^
Thanks for the benchmark! Now with this I'm happy that my Macbook running CS2 with CrossOver is as fast as a normal pc with a nvme drive. It takes 8 secs from Steam to the Valve logo and then 14 seconds to menu, that while translating x86_64 to ARM and DX11 to Apple's own Metal. Sadly we don't have the PC specs to compare "raw speed" with the loading times
PS: I bought a Macbook to stop gaming but uhm, I wasn't successful.
I almost flew too close to the sun and lost years of music projects through a raid 0 hard drive DAS I foolishly expected wouldn't die on me after about a year. I also once relied on a cloud backup service only to realize it didnt save executables or DLLs by default...
gotta love the audio crime 2 music
i admire your video game choice phillip 2:40
I had to stop playing cs2 because i have no SSD and in consequence my game always has little freezes, usually in the worst possible moments like peaking or when an eny comes around the corner.
To find out what actually causes this, open task manager and have it run in the background. When it freezes look at the graphs in the performance section and look around. Take a look at vram, ram and see if either of those get full. See if the hdd suddenly spikes in usage.
@@Derpynewb I actually kind of fixed it by running the game via USB 3.0 instead of my HDD. i'd never have thought this was a possibility without this video.
@@TheRealSpicke What if your HDD is going bad?
You can eliminate stutters if you have enough RAM and VRAM by disabling texture streaming (aka loading stuff on demand, during gameplay)
the freeze might be a bug. CS2 already have "Texture Streaming" feature which display (temporary) low res picture if a texture load too slow. I suspect the gun-skin, which explain why we freeze specifically when player peek on us.
@@VADemon "texture streaming" replace texture with low res version if it loads too slow. Anyway, texture might be the cause of the stutter, if VRAM is limited the engine will do more wasteful operation on texture, ie: tiling & swapping them in and out as we walk thru the map to optimise limited VRAM, which might cause the freeze. (see CS2 VRAM use with cl_showmem)
Ayeeee we got the same case. Thermal quake?
Size does impact the performance of an SSD. This is because higher capacity SSDs tend to have more NAND Flash modules, though this doesn't always apply when comparing SSDs from different manufacturers or made in different years. For example I have a 1TB SATA SSD which uses multiple FLASH modules however these days you can buy a compact NVMe SSD which has just one Flash module. There's also the aspect of diffrent NAND Flash types. Your Samsung QVO uses QLC cells which hold more data per cell however they perform worse and can sustain a lower number of write cycles compared to TLC cells. And all of that's before you consider that some SSDs (especially the very cheap ones) lack a DRAM cache which has a big impact on performance.
It's also important how fast the VRAM can be filled when it comes to 3D graphics like the main menu of CS:GO. I suspect a slower GDDR5X will also load slower into the main menu compared to, say, one with HBM2 or GDDR6 memory.
Cpu also plays a big part in this, i have a gen.4 nvme with over 7gbps of reads and got 26 seconds opening cs2 from fresh startup and 16sec for consecutive ones. Although not a weak pc, i have a 5800x with 3200 cl15 32gb with a 3070. The valve logo and cs2 splash screen took no longer than 4 - 6 seconds, but the "initializing" from steam took the majority of the time going for over 10 seconds on the second start to almost 20 in the firt one.
Upon further testing, my sata 480gb ssd kingston, like a really low end one, got the exact same load times. 26-27 on the first load and 16-17 on consecutives. Drive speeds is definitely not the bottle neck on my system.
2:40 Umm, whats that on that list in the bottom right corner??
Factorio. For those who know that the factory must grow.
Clickteam Fusion :O Destruction Darius soon™
Just a wizard cat
I play CS from an HDD because I can't buy an NVME or SATA drive just now. The warmups for the competitive games end once I arrive to the server.
Is this the first time you have a proper sponsor :O
Ooh, I remember Jade Cocoon. It was pretty good.
i love the easter eggs in this video
0:09 the weasel on the wall is so scary
i like how you tried to go around my country, yet you still included Lile
Rip
i think you have a misconception at 8:30. 2,5 Inch HDDs are actually very capable of pretty decent speeds. their read head has a smaller travel (good for any non sequential reads, like a game), and the platters can be spun a lot faster because they are more lightweight. In enterprise storage systems, there are setups with 2,5 and 3,5 drives mixed to reap the benefits of both form factors. 2,5' Hdds are definetely not a worse drive in general.
"Is that the real 3kliks" 2:10
lmfao I was wondering why people were leaving steam comments saying saw me in the 3kliks vid
love from texas ❤️
I'm starting to suspect there are also speed differences between desktop hard drives. Like maybe the lower-density ones are not just using lower density platters, but are also single-sided to save on the cost of coating the other side and including a second head, so in practice if you have a bigger one it's also going to be reading and writing twice as much data at a time.
This is spot on. Technology has been improving too. My oldest 1TB drive from 2011 was slower than it's younger brother of same capacity bought around 2016.
There're also 2 types of coating, SMR and CMR. HDD using SMR coating has higher density memory but slower write, while CMR coating has lower memory density but no write speed penalty.
10:40 I didnt know philip like such sus literature
yo nice pfp
@@tomgonk yo same
I just start salivating like a dog waiting for his feast when I hear digadig+3kliks' voice.
2:40 Love the soundtrack :)
7:02 flash of an austrian painter, had to double-check
For searching for files in your file browser (incredibly useful when producing sample based music in my case) the difference in speed between an ssd and nvme is pretty massive. I do think SSD are so cheap now its probably the best choice for most people but for keeping your windows install on a 500gb $50 nvme is pretty sweet.
NVME's are only really necessary if you're playing things like Cyberpunk or Alan Wake 2, big budget and hardware intensive games that do a lot of hotloading of assets. On SSD's Id have issues where sound or textures load in late or video doesn't load in at all, which I just didn't have on NVME.
That being said its also the only times I've really seen an actual need for them. Though, you can get some pretty fast PCIE5 2tb NVME's for only 100 bucks if you live in europe or the USA.
10:41 ngl I was more excited by Jensen figurine than the manga
I really liked this video, feels kinda like quintessential kliksphilip
Ive been using an external 2TB Samsung SSD plugged into a type c port and always load in first in every game i play, it never stutters either. Those things are beasts lol and are super handy for multiple computers and/or speedy data recovery.
One of my computers is an intel Xeon based workstation equipped with ecc memory. Csgo / cs2 tends to be a bit slower in every aspect. But very stable without major peaks or drops. On ancient average of 400 ish fps.
Is that Enigmata music in the background? I love Enigmata!!
This man is the reason i know so much about cs...and why i fall asleep so quickly
If you want an easy way to swap NVMe drives easily I recommend getting a PCIe to m.2 riser card and removing the bracket. I am using one right now as I couldn't be bothered to get to the m.2 slot on the motherboard.
a windows dynamic disk stripe set with two modern enterprise drives (i.e. wd hc530, samsung exos) will reach the read/load speeds of a single sata 6gbit/s ssd - around ~500mb/s. placing them in category "A" as well. i have two 14tb wd drives (each with around 250mb/s speed) adding up to 28tb (~25.45tib) and ~500mb/s speeds. it is really a good feeling to be able to put your whole steam, epic, ubi, ea and bnet library on them. and have load times of at least a 2.5" ssd.
and to add to that still. it's waaaay cheaper per tb.
man that memory card story fucking hit me like a train, i make multiple backups of the saves on my favorite games in fear of losing them, coudnt imagine the pain in having my saves erased like that
11:48 You didn't mention the fact that many operating systems automatically use RAM to buffer the files on disk. This could also explain the fact that the RAM drive was just as fast as the NVME.
back in the days of csgo, you had made a video about csgo loading time and suggested a trick that using fps_max 49, capped the maximum fps to 49 and it made the game loading into the maps faster, the trick works on all the drive
i wonder does it still work with cs2
Most Operating Systems actually use a lot of the RAM to store files you frequently use in it as a cache, which explains the second way faster start. Especially when almost all game files fit in your RAM.
wow that router software is super cool
Did you turn superfetch off when you tested?
The cat bits are gorgeous.
7:03 is that who I think it is in the flash, but why?
Yes that's him and indeed why 😂
ever remember nexus nation 1v1 servers yeah i was in one at the time of that video on valve changing to 1v1 warmup good times man
dude i'm sitting on my phone distracted...the match accept sound got me jumping outta my chair to click it
Where did you get those fingerless gloves? Those are neat
1:00 Pretty accurate, that's why we call them spinning rust ; OTOH I bet we're getting to a point where if you used really high quality SSDs you'd see a very noticeable difference between SATA and NVMe