Please note. UA-cam has censored one of my videos. This is the SECOND time this happened. This could mean that my entire channel including this video could be removed completely. Please read the following sentence and remember it, because it is important: UA-cam IS ACTIVELY ENGAGING IN POLITICAL CENSORSHIP!!!
Makes sense. They're a bunch of political agenda loving douche bags. Fuck UA-cam. Other forms of Social Media will take its place. Anyone remember how big MySpace used to be then Facebook came along? Sure, Facebooks have been around a while - but it will drop off one day. UA-cam can try and position itself to stick around, but if people can't find the content they're interested in, they'll go elsewhere, and they'll say "fuck youtube" whilst they're at it.
Or your videos are being flagged as offensive by enough people to deceive UA-cam to remove it. One or two wouldn't make the difference, but when many settle to bring down some unwanted content, the algorithm UA-cam uses cannot differenciate the complaint as legitimate or orchestrated.
You can't win a debate with a muslim, because they don't change their views, not even when you come with prove that shows that they are wrong. That why islam is such a danger.
waterkoud1 I think that counts for all hardcore religious people. Just walk around in the Bible Belt of the Netherlands and you’ll see the exact same people.
Who put Ayaan Hirsi Ali in the middle of all those haters? There is nobody on her side. Even the moderator is against her. She is very brave to stand there all alone. Love Her...
Have you noticed,when Ayaan quotes Quran or Hadiths (about beating wife) the talk-show host allways interrupt her? I think it was more then two or three times.. P.S.sorry on my english
John Daron and ITD202 - I suppose ultimately we should be grateful that Ayaan Hirsi Ali was not physically attacked during this discussion. Normally, the adherents of the "religion of peace and tolerance" express their hatred of her in a far more aggressive fashion!
As a Dutch guy I am so proud to see her take on those Turkish women, while the Dutch native people are all hiding behind their political correctness. Sad we couldn't keep her in the country... Happy to see her shine internationally now
situation in Netherland can only improve if Islam is challenged and criticized by Muslim themselves - they know the culture, the religion and what they fight against exactly. Our role is to help them, support them and unfortunately also protect them from people like you can see in this video - capable of killing them only because they feel offended. you can not lead a discussion with a person who is permanently offended. I am a Christian and I can take criticism of my religion even if i do not agree with the arguments.
The extreme discomfort they show with any criticism - amounting to inability to actually hear what Ayaan hirsi Ali is saying ( I bet if they were asked to reconstruct her main points and arguments , they would fail) - is surely a symptom of very strong conditioning , probably in many cases begun very young - in infancy or before. Also the condtitioning has a particular character : here these people have a massive inferiority complex which gets disguised sometimes as a superiority complex - so anything criticising their religion is an attack - a blasphemy, which must be punished, which is hurtful, which proves malice and badness. But if these people themselves had an internalised strong sense of their own goodness they would not be so fragile . The truth is their religion assures them goodness exists outside themselves only - in Allah . , and they can have some vileness relieved by Allahs mercy if they submit as "good Muslims". There is no place for self-criticism in such a scheme . Indeed the question "What is a good Muslim?" is very pertinent and should be scrutinised by the Islamic adherents here . Such scrutiny may well prove too difficult, since it might lead to the conclusion that Islam tends to void all possible intrinsic goodness from its believers.
Jochem Lambers i said the same when a fellow dutch was praising Candace Owens, i said we had our own ‘Candace’ but sadly sometimes a prophet in their own home. As an immigrant myself am so protective of the Western Values and Islam is incompatible with this oasis that i found in the West and not where i was born
Why is the pale-skinned guy so defensive? Like he asks " According to you, does a good muslim exist?" She just said two minutes before that many, many muslims are good people and the guy keeps bringing it up again like he can't hear anything she says. It comes across as a device to sort of erase stuff she said and just make her look bad. I imagine Ayaan as a woman with infinite patience, as she has to constantly face people in debates who are completely unwilling to even acknowledge the facts she states, let alone understand the simple logic of what she says (not difficult at all to understand). She is a logical well-meaning woman who has to deal with knee-jerk reactions again and again and again.
On the other hand, take the children of the people, create an education system that no matter how well educated from 1900 to 1990, or badly, assure that they are actually stupid to the point of not really caring about their children. To the extent they will throw their childrens futures away and murder millions of their own people for their owners and leaders profits. Call it war, and thye buy it. Tell them its for 'democracy' give them sham versions of it, and they buy it.
This is how you act while being under pressure; calm, collected and composed. Ayaan is amazing! Big kudos to this brilliant and highly intellectual lady.
She is! I think, with time she became even bether, with deeper understanding how to respond in those situations, how to make herself clear, yet somehow trigger those muslim believers somewhat less. She is inteligent lady. I am just saddened that now she is less publicly active.
@@froggylegspeople She was honest about her past. They just used her past against her when it was convenient and acted like they did not know about it before.
This is already 13 years ago. Now, more than ever, they want her dead. Note she just cancelled a tour in AUSTRALIA because of the islamist threat we now live with here.
Only the ones who already have doubts about Islam and Muhammad will, the other ones, peaceful and radicals alike, won't, as they are too indoctrinated to be open to discussion. Deep down the peaceful ones must know once they realize Muhammad was a murdering lunatic, they will have to leave Islam. As to the extremists, I guess they enjoy their Jihad, killing and getting killed. There is absolutely no incentive to live in Islam, as you can't enjoy life when almost everything is forbidden.
If you are pro islamic reformation you have conceded that god was wrong, if you have conceded that god was wrong you have conceded that mohammed and islam has lied about God. At this stage, why are you not atheist?
Islamic reformation lol😂😂😂. Islam, islamic way of living and islamic ideas were founded by a pdfile and u want to reform it to make it less pdfile?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
These women are absolutely unbelievable. They are not open to any other opinion then their own and they don't listen what Ayaan is trying to say. They are in total denial about what is going on, very irritating to watch. They are so offended instead of trying to get some where, this is the problem in this religion. No self reflection, everything is at fault of the other. Such a same...
They are not all ignorant. Some are sly and deceptive. And some are decent and brave and trying to change things. Sadly, it's such a deeply legalistic and punitive religion and I don't think things will ever get better.
if we took religion out of the discussion, would the violent behavior towards women, gays, those who have different faiths, those on the fringe, et al, be acceptable? this is the foundation of this woman's work. treating all others with respect is a human necessity if we are to make a better place for the following generations. she exemplifies this with mastery.
This crowd is really stacked against Ayaan, yet she still holds her own. If this is an example of how Dutch people think then they have already handed their country to Islam.
Yes iv been warning my people in the Netherlands for years, apparently they are under the same brainwashing influences that we have in the west..extremely disheartening
Aayan Hirsi Ali... You are a real jewel for our humanity...A beautiful, precious stone! So Wise and Profound! You're an example for all of us, and a genuine awakened person who explores and perceives the world through their own consciousness and mind, and not by: 'what others have said' or have thought' or 'have done'... Thank you so much for all your work! Love you!
mereu netulburat What is so striking, is that muslims are so keen on outperforming their fellow-muslims in mimicking their example 'leader' that they totally overlook/disregard the total lack of humanity they mimick! Due to any form of self-criticism, reflection. So, please listen to Mrs Hirsi Ali, she is a God-send woman!
What a brave women. She’s surrounded by zealots with no one on her side, and she destroys them. And she’s completely calm and composed the entire time. Brilliant!
Islam flourished under critic in the middle ages and even took the lead of debates like these taking against all other religions in and academic way. Its so sad to see that in the last three or four centuries i,e after a thousand years old of age that this free debates on any subject even to question the existence of god and to debate ceased to exist and changed with generation that every thing is offend to them. That means people luck the knowledge to articulate argument even by the los of the debate.🤷🏻
@@hasanitto the debate and intellectual argument you advocated ceased because of intolerance by the uninformed Muslims who threaten the world with death. As a matter of fact, they regard Islam with high esteem above God. Islam is not God but a religion and it is a thing of choice. Even God is a choice logically; you choose to believe him or not. Your life shouldn't be threatened for that since your choice is not harming to humanity. God has the last day (which we call the day of judgment). Taking a person's life for rejecting God before that day means you have taken the law into your hands and it is an insult to God. Quran, with its rules and laws, is just to instill fear in people. Most Muslims are only following Islam in fear of what people, not God, would do to them. It shouldn't be so.
@@biblein1oneyearjesus690 though what u said about todays muslims is true and i agree with that but what u said about the Koran as a fear tool is incorrect, its the exact opposite The Koran always asks its readers to think independently, to read, to discover, to debate, to be good human etc. so this is what middle aged Muslims truly saw and lived in accordance with thats why those debates between Muslims and non Muslims flourished and even known that Muslims tolerance towards the different believes thats way there was diversity in all educational and cultural places and the opposite in the west was also true but know the situation changed oppositely and the Muslim world become as we know it to day and that saddens me the most,
@@hasanitto I sympathize with you on your feeling towards Islam. I grew up the muslims, dined with them, while we were young. Unfortunately, I realized that the more they grow deep in their faith, the more they become intolerant and distance themselves from non-Muslims. The question, out of many, is why are so many afraid of what would befall them (in terms of judgment meted by Muslims) if they renounce the faith? I draw the fact that fear is from the quran because of so many penalties relating to death, amputation, and so many inhuman measures set in shariah. All the laws of shariah take their base in the Quran. If any is not from the quran, then it should be removed for reformation purpose. Agreed that some of them where good in their times, but we are in a different age now. God is becoming more real to us.
Being offended is a characteristic of the subjective mind. I am from origin a Muslim and I am abslutely not offended by the words of Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Pointing out the errors in certain ideologies and cultures does hurt, but it does take a brave heart to point them out.
I cannot believe how feeble the arguments were against Ayaan Hirsi Ali, yet the existence of such a cold, hostile crowd had to be intimidating. As this was 2004, I guess she was in Parliament in the Netherlands at the time. This was brave of her to do, but I think it was unfair to handpick an audience that, while it seemed to me not very bright, were all against her.
Joanne Gerber And I wonder if the Dutch are now changing their tune now that they have been more massively in based by rapists and car burning, thieving welfare whores.
she lied about her flight account when she got on the list. According to a spokesman, it was a wrong name and date of birth and the country from which she came. At the time, the liberals did not think that was an obstacle to putting her on the list.
I am totally blown away by this woman. Reading her story in "Infidel," it is simply stunning the transformation she made from fairly uneducated, kind of country bumpkin, to laser focused, extremely articulate and fearless champion of human rights. Ayaan Hirsi Ali is simply an inspiration to all humankind of the potential for kindness and self sacrifice in the name of bringing more good and happiness to people all over the world. What a blessing it is to have her and the ability to hear her anywhere.
Amazing. This video makes clear that these women are in a cult. They cannot allow any criticism of their cult. They cannot respond with anything but lies and "offense". Some of them looked at Ayann as if they wished her dead. Ayaan is a very brave woman.
All of their counter arguments can be summed up to : "Not All Muslims !" which is addressing something no one ever said. waist of time talking to those people
She is such an intelligent and well-articulated woman. She is also able to respond calmly, without inflating the hate directed at her, and with the amount of hate coming from her opponents that seems almost impossible. I think I've found my new role model.
The most astonishing about this debate is how the opponents did seem to listen but not actually hear what Ayaan said. They attack her on points she had just moments before adressed. Very much respect for her calm posture.
Faqyur Ma'ama You are absolutely right. One can try to rebuke your statement by saying that the prophet Muhammad is just an old man who wasn't smart enough to understand the word of Allah. Or that there isn't anyone at all who is smart enough and can fully understand God's word (like the saying "God's ways are inconceivable" and such). This, then, raises two sets of questions: 1) why had Allah chosen Muhammad as his prophet in the first place? Why hadn't He chosen someone else during the seventh century who could better comprehend and thus reiterate His word in the hopes of having His word understood by everyone in the same way? In this way, there wouldn't be any quarrel whatsoever what is actually meant by certain passages. 2) Why didn't Allah wait for humanity to evolve, mentally speaking? In other words, why did he choose to spread His word during the seventh century and not, say, during the twentieth century? Was He then so impatient for humankind to hear from Him?
Arabic is a Semitic language related to Hebrew. Numerous OT bible passages have been lost in translation from Hebrew, Why? Because Semitic languages have much more syntax's than the English language. Certain words in the quran have more than one meaning but they are usually interconnected. Thus muslims arent "boasting" but merely just stating fact.
Exactly Scott what The English translation of any verse in the Quran sounds very simple and straight forward. It sounds like it was written by an illiterate goat herder. I don't see how it could be true that in Arabic everything is that much more complicated.
Not sure about the mariage thing! I know she became di-illusioned with islam the more she got educated. But she fled the Netherlands purely because her neighbours complained to the authorities that they did'nt feel safe anymore, with Ayaan having a fatwa issued on her life, therefore she moved to the US, where hopefully! they will take good care of this beautiful and wonderful human being!
iHost you're correct. SHe fled Somalia to escape an arranged marriage. She lives in the US now as it was too dangerous for her in Holland because of her criticism of Islam.
The question is: Why do the Muslims in this video claim that Ayaan needs to state her facts much more gently when she talks about the treatment of women in Islam? Don't they see for themselves that it is wrong to marry 9-year-olds and beat "disobedient" wives?
Patrick McLoughlin : I don't see why been white and Dutch should make him any less qualified to lecture someone on what a "true Muslim" is than if he were black and Somalian.
Patrick McLoughlin bah he doesn’t know jack shit about Islam he should start by packing his bags and move to their countries then he might be qualified to lecture some one on Islam To easy for a guy that was born in freedom to talk bs none sense about “true muslimes” fking idiots it’s what they are.
Andre Segui - are you implying that if a man has an older wife then it is ok for him to Rape as many prepubescent children as he wishes. Any Man that excepts this is not fit to be a father, a brother , a husband ..... The debate in the comments here shows the pure evil ignorance of so-called religious people.
Hirsi Ali pointed out just one of his many sins. There were many others. His polygami, his decapitation of Jews, his murder on personal critics, his enslaving and rape of prisoners of war ETC. The biggest crime he comitted was to tell the world that his doctrine and behaviours were approved by God. God never sent that man, and what he said and did was in direct contrast to the true God.
It is a bit like on my murder trial. I pointed out to the judge that there are at least 6 billion people I didn´t kill but he sentenced me anyway. So unfair.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali is trying so hard to nuance her speech in front of these people. These people are offended by every opinion they don't like. Critical thinking just doesn't exist in Islam.
" I only reject those aspects of Islam that conflict with the rights of human beings." Islam, if it is not to violate the rights of human beings, will cease to exist.
All these people telling her to distinguish between Muslims from different countries. Do they realise she grew up and lived in more Muslim countries than they have even visited?
I love how at the start, one of the guys had a problem with Ayaan's claim that Muslims were perpetually offended and that this was incorrect. Then, throughout the entire rest of the show, all they did was complain that Ayaan was being offensive and rude.
15 years ago i had a mate that was muslim, we studied in medical academy. During all these years he kind if forgot about islam and become one of us. Then he went to Sweden to work in a hospital. Recently, aged 37, he went to his bacward country for a vissit and brought a new wife. She is 20. He made her a baby right away. Now she is pregenet with a second baby. And? Well he has a nice life, he is a surgeon, has quite a good money, nice house, car, interesting life. And the poor wife of him? Didnt have time to go to school, didnt have time to learn the language. She doesnt do anything else then stay at home with the kid and waiting for her husband to take her for walk. She will never speak swedish because she doesnt go to school and doesnt work. Soon the second baby comes to this word. So her life will be like that. Sitting at home and taking care of kids and she will never asimiliate, she will never socialize. Her husband will have a great life and always a young lady at home, raising his kids. Thats a sad story in my opinion. And we all really thought that the guy is so much like us.... well he was when he was young. But his purpose of life was different than ours. I belive he never wanted an european women as a wife. He always wanted a muslim one but just never told us.
Brave of her to seemingly argue alone, and how powerfully she does it. In Dutch she sounds far more persuasive and confident than in English - I imagine because it was the language of her personal liberation and enlightenment.
Ayaan's truthful words make one courageous enough to stand by truth. I request this channel to use that color of font which is easily readable not the existing one.
Absolutely love Ayaans unapologetic and firm words and position.. She is one of few who have the courage to stand up to the dumb masses who just yearn to belong to a group or religion. She did a wonderful job and AT NO POINT was she offensive. Quite the contrary those buffoons were being very agressive and catty. I would have loved to have seen her and Christopher Hitchens side by side battling this great evil.
Literally every day Ayaan Hirsi Ali faces hatred and the risk of being murdered, anywhere in the world, simply because she left a religion and points out its flaws. That alone should tell you all you need to know about Islam.
I do not understand how this woman came to be disliked by the Left. I guess it's this idea of intersectionality becoming higher in the hierarchy of causes than the rights of women. But, to some of us on the Left, there is nothing more important than furthering the rights of all women. Left or Right, it is a signpost along the way of becoming aware and educated that we can hold two or more seemingly disparate views at the same time, and Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a leader in having the ability to do so. I have enormous respect for her.
She is understandably trying very carefully not to offend anyone. Now she is much more well known she doesnt need to be so tentative with her statements and is even more brilliant in her confident well informed answers. She really is one of my heroes.
Please note. UA-cam has censored one of my videos. This is the SECOND time this happened. This could mean that my entire channel including this video could be removed completely. Please read the following sentence and remember it, because it is important: UA-cam IS ACTIVELY ENGAGING IN POLITICAL CENSORSHIP!!!
I'll keep an eye on it as well. Trying to download now.
i donot understand why she wear a cloth.he can go without clothin this tv show.
Makes sense. They're a bunch of political agenda loving douche bags. Fuck UA-cam. Other forms of Social Media will take its place. Anyone remember how big MySpace used to be then Facebook came along? Sure, Facebooks have been around a while - but it will drop off one day. UA-cam can try and position itself to stick around, but if people can't find the content they're interested in, they'll go elsewhere, and they'll say "fuck youtube" whilst they're at it.
if so then it's end of UA-cam....
Or your videos are being flagged as offensive by enough people to deceive UA-cam to remove it. One or two wouldn't make the difference, but when many settle to bring down some unwanted content, the algorithm UA-cam uses cannot differenciate the complaint as legitimate or orchestrated.
A brilliant debator under pressure. Calm, articulate, reasonable, polite... yet forcefull. Amazing to watch.
That is powerful!
You can't win a debate with a muslim, because they don't change their views, not even when you come with prove that shows that they are wrong. That why islam is such a danger.
BRILLIANT IN DEED!
waterkoud1
I think that counts for all hardcore religious people. Just walk around in the Bible Belt of the Netherlands and you’ll see the exact same people.
@Engaisi Peter who are you referring to? Your pronouns are all over the place.
¨I am offended that you are offended...¨Checkmate, Ayaan. Nice move. Brave woman alone in the lion´s den.
Lions den? I’d say chicken coop. But yeah she’s a super cool lady.
@@593simon i wanted to call it a rats nest.
@@MrPpd12 Would have been more accurate.
Who put Ayaan Hirsi Ali in the middle of all those haters? There is nobody on her side. Even the moderator is against her. She is very brave to stand there all alone. Love Her...
and yet she still kicked Borg ass like a boss
Have you noticed,when Ayaan quotes Quran or Hadiths (about beating wife) the talk-show host allways interrupt her? I think it was more then two or three times.. P.S.sorry on my english
John Daron and ITD202 - I suppose ultimately we should be grateful that Ayaan Hirsi Ali was not physically attacked during this discussion. Normally, the adherents of the "religion of peace and tolerance" express their hatred of her in a far more aggressive fashion!
Hahaha..you are right..if this discussion was in the street I bellieve they would attacked her,for sure
3 minutes in and that curly haired tit laid out a barrage of strawmen. What an ass!
This is like someone from NASA trying to convince the Flat Earthers.
More the other way around😂😂😂
Or a climate skeptic trying to convince NASA 😉
@@mrmister2454 No, not the other way round.
She does not try to convince them but invite them to discussion !!!She is not naive
I'm offended is not an argument, it's an excuse.
Offence is never given it's always taken. And fact don't care about your feelings
Theron Sax Muslims are always offended!
Emotional blackmail imho.
As a Dutch guy I am so proud to see her take on those Turkish women, while the Dutch native people are all hiding behind their political correctness. Sad we couldn't keep her in the country... Happy to see her shine internationally now
situation in Netherland can only improve if Islam is challenged and criticized by Muslim themselves - they know the culture, the religion and what they fight against exactly. Our role is to help them, support them and unfortunately also protect them from people like you can see in this video - capable of killing them only because they feel offended. you can not lead a discussion with a person who is permanently offended. I am a Christian and I can take criticism of my religion even if i do not agree with the arguments.
the political correctness in the western Europe has reached the point of stupidity...
Jochem Lambers Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a true gem!
The extreme discomfort they show with any criticism - amounting to inability to actually hear what Ayaan hirsi Ali is saying ( I bet if they were asked to reconstruct her main points and arguments , they would
fail) - is surely a symptom of very strong conditioning , probably in many cases begun very young - in infancy or before.
Also the condtitioning has a particular character : here these people have a massive inferiority complex which gets disguised sometimes as a superiority complex - so anything criticising their religion is an attack - a blasphemy, which must be punished, which is hurtful, which proves malice and badness. But if these people themselves had an internalised strong sense of their own goodness they would not be so fragile . The truth is their religion assures them goodness exists outside themselves only - in Allah . , and they can have some vileness relieved by Allahs mercy if they submit as "good Muslims". There is no place for self-criticism in such a scheme .
Indeed the question "What is a good Muslim?" is very pertinent and should be scrutinised by the Islamic adherents here . Such scrutiny may well prove too difficult, since it might lead to the conclusion that Islam tends to void all possible intrinsic goodness from its believers.
Jochem Lambers i said the same when a fellow dutch was praising Candace Owens, i said we had our own ‘Candace’ but sadly sometimes a prophet in their own home.
As an immigrant myself am so protective of the Western Values and Islam is incompatible with this oasis that i found in the West and not where i was born
Such a smart woman, even in a studio full of Muslims with an opposing view, she wipes the floor with them.
That wouldn't be hard when you consider how thick most are.
While staying perfectly calm, too.
@@Nagoalc which is something islamists can't do - but instead shout over people and gang up like cowards do.
Why is the pale-skinned guy so defensive? Like he asks " According to you, does a good muslim exist?" She just said two minutes before that many, many muslims are good people and the guy keeps bringing it up again like he can't hear anything she says. It comes across as a device to sort of erase stuff she said and just make her look bad.
I imagine Ayaan as a woman with infinite patience, as she has to constantly face people in debates who are completely unwilling to even acknowledge the facts she states, let alone understand the simple logic of what she says (not difficult at all to understand). She is a logical well-meaning woman who has to deal with knee-jerk reactions again and again and again.
Mark Twain - 'Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.'
On the other hand, take the children of the people, create an education system that no matter how well educated from 1900 to 1990, or badly, assure that they are actually stupid to the point of not really caring about their children. To the extent they will throw their childrens futures away and murder millions of their own people for their owners and leaders profits. Call it war, and thye buy it. Tell them its for 'democracy' give them sham versions of it, and they buy it.
Except they never manage to drag Ayaan down.
This is how you act while being under pressure; calm, collected and composed. Ayaan is amazing! Big kudos to this brilliant and highly intellectual lady.
She is so incredibly intelligent. I love her.
she kicks ass
Xela VS
She’s honest about the religion, yet she wasn’t smart or honest about her past.
She is! I think, with time she became even bether, with deeper understanding how to respond in those situations, how to make herself clear, yet somehow trigger those muslim believers somewhat less.
She is inteligent lady. I am just saddened that now she is less publicly active.
@@froggylegspeople She was honest about her past. They just used her past against her when it was convenient and acted like they did not know about it before.
N S
That’s not how it went.
Ayaan Hirsi is an amazing and highly intelligent woman. I hope the muslim-community is willing to listen to her.
This is already 13 years ago. Now, more than ever, they want her dead. Note she just cancelled a tour in AUSTRALIA because of the islamist threat we now live with here.
But why would they want her dead I THOUGHT IT WAS THE RELIGION OF PEACE AND TOLERANCE
Only the ones who already have doubts about Islam and Muhammad will, the other ones, peaceful and radicals alike, won't, as they are too indoctrinated to be open to discussion. Deep down the peaceful ones must know once they realize Muhammad was a murdering lunatic, they will have to leave Islam. As to the extremists, I guess they enjoy their Jihad, killing and getting killed. There is absolutely no incentive to live in Islam, as you can't enjoy life when almost everything is forbidden.
I have read the Quran and i Became a Muslima...
I dont think you should advice this kind of nonsense.....
Monologue and lies will never be an open discussion.....
Hirsi Ali is a light in a sea of darkness.
I am a Muslim and I agree with her 100%.
Nobody can describe this subject any better.
#ProIslamicReformation
If you are pro islamic reformation you have conceded that god was wrong, if you have conceded that god was wrong you have conceded that mohammed and islam has lied about God.
At this stage, why are you not atheist?
no you aren't.
@@NamaRauqos04595 Bro returned 7 years later w a mission
@@VOMITGASM Yes sirrr🚨 🚨
Islamic reformation lol😂😂😂. Islam, islamic way of living and islamic ideas were founded by a pdfile and u want to reform it to make it less pdfile?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
These women are absolutely unbelievable. They are not open to any other opinion then their own and they don't listen what Ayaan is trying to say. They are in total denial about what is going on, very irritating to watch. They are so offended instead of trying to get some where, this is the problem in this religion. No self reflection, everything is at fault of the other. Such a same...
Yeah! They’re acting like children!🤔
@Mr T . LOL.
A muslim is a muslim they are never open for other opinions, look at the man he was the same as those stupid women
They are ignorant . What can you expect from these types of people.
They are not all ignorant. Some are sly and deceptive. And some are decent and brave and trying to change things. Sadly, it's such a deeply legalistic and punitive religion and I don't think things will ever get better.
Wow! Single voice of reason against the hordes. Ayaan is a remarkable woman and human being.
Thats The Netherlands for you
if we took religion out of the discussion, would the violent behavior towards women, gays, those who have different faiths, those on the fringe, et al, be acceptable? this is the foundation of this woman's work. treating all others with respect is a human necessity if we are to make a better place for the following generations. she exemplifies this with mastery.
This crowd is really stacked against Ayaan, yet she still holds her own. If this is an example of how Dutch people think then they have already handed their country to Islam.
This is from a Muslim Broadcasting Network (NMO = Nederlandse Moslim Omroep), so I think that most if not all of the opponents are muslim.
Yep holland is lost to these imbeciles. And if they’re not imbeciles, they are afraid. Dutch are just ignorant self-righteous idiots.
Yes iv been warning my people in the Netherlands for years, apparently they are under the same brainwashing influences that we have in the west..extremely disheartening
A brave and courageous woman. She was thrown into a den.
Aayan Hirsi Ali...
You are a real jewel for our humanity...A beautiful, precious stone! So Wise and Profound! You're an example for all of us, and a genuine awakened person who explores and perceives the world through their own consciousness and mind, and not by: 'what others have said' or have thought' or 'have done'...
Thank you so much for all your work!
Love you!
mereu netulburat What is so striking, is that muslims are so keen on outperforming their fellow-muslims in mimicking their example 'leader' that they totally overlook/disregard the total lack of humanity they mimick! Due to any form of self-criticism, reflection. So, please listen to Mrs Hirsi Ali, she is a God-send woman!
What a brave women. She’s surrounded by zealots with no one on her side, and she destroys them. And she’s completely calm and composed the entire time. Brilliant!
She talks very beautiful perfect Dutch. Far too friendly towards that hate cult.
if Islam allowed critic it would cease to exist
You are absolutely right.
Islam flourished under critic in the middle ages and even took the lead of debates like these taking against all other religions in and academic way. Its so sad to see that in the last three or four centuries i,e after a thousand years old of age that this free debates on any subject even to question the existence of god and to debate ceased to exist and changed with generation that every thing is offend to them. That means people luck the knowledge to articulate argument even by the los of the debate.🤷🏻
@@hasanitto the debate and intellectual argument you advocated ceased because of intolerance by the uninformed Muslims who threaten the world with death. As a matter of fact, they regard Islam with high esteem above God. Islam is not God but a religion and it is a thing of choice. Even God is a choice logically; you choose to believe him or not. Your life shouldn't be threatened for that since your choice is not harming to humanity. God has the last day (which we call the day of judgment). Taking a person's life for rejecting God before that day means you have taken the law into your hands and it is an insult to God. Quran, with its rules and laws, is just to instill fear in people. Most Muslims are only following Islam in fear of what people, not God, would do to them. It shouldn't be so.
@@biblein1oneyearjesus690 though what u said about todays muslims is true and i agree with that but what u said about the Koran as a fear tool is incorrect, its the exact opposite The Koran always asks its readers to think independently, to read, to discover, to debate, to be good human etc. so this is what middle aged Muslims truly saw and lived in accordance with thats why those debates between Muslims and non Muslims flourished and even known that Muslims tolerance towards the different believes thats way there was diversity in all educational and cultural places and the opposite in the west was also true but know the situation changed oppositely and the Muslim world become as we know it to day and that saddens me the most,
@@hasanitto I sympathize with you on your feeling towards Islam. I grew up the muslims, dined with them, while we were young. Unfortunately, I realized that the more they grow deep in their faith, the more they become intolerant and distance themselves from non-Muslims. The question, out of many, is why are so many afraid of what would befall them (in terms of judgment meted by Muslims) if they renounce the faith? I draw the fact that fear is from the quran because of so many penalties relating to death, amputation, and so many inhuman measures set in shariah. All the laws of shariah take their base in the Quran. If any is not from the quran, then it should be removed for reformation purpose. Agreed that some of them where good in their times, but we are in a different age now. God is becoming more real to us.
Being offended is a characteristic of the subjective mind. I am from origin a Muslim and I am abslutely not offended by the words of Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Pointing out the errors in certain ideologies and cultures does hurt, but it does take a brave heart to point them out.
You are one in a million then sir
I cannot believe how feeble the arguments were against Ayaan Hirsi Ali, yet the existence of such a cold, hostile crowd had to be intimidating. As this was 2004, I guess she was in Parliament in the Netherlands at the time. This was brave of her to do, but I think it was unfair to handpick an audience that, while it seemed to me not very bright, were all against her.
You wouldn't, by any chance, happen to know how good her Dutch is?
Joanne Gerber And I wonder if the Dutch are now changing their tune now that they have been more massively in based by rapists and car burning, thieving welfare whores.
Her Dutch is excellent.
Bright??? They were unreasonable and sounded like they have no clue of what's in the Quo'ran
I said that they weren't very bright.
Great respect to Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Thanks for your great job. How strong I would say 1.5b muslim altogether cannot equate you.
Amazing woman! Amazing freedom fighter! We should ALL stand with her!
Yes!!!!
What a smart woman. I really respect this woman for speaking up and adressing a problem not many people adress in The Netherlands. She’s my hero.
A clever woman talking logically to a load of muppets in denial.
she lied about her flight account when she got on the list. According to a spokesman, it was a wrong name and date of birth and the country from which she came. At the time, the liberals did not think that was an obstacle to putting her on the list.
@@Erwin-eo7iv So? What’s that gotta do with the topic at hand anyways?
@@hitchensrazor9538 the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles.
@@Erwin-eo7iv Can you give me proof for your claims. Even then, she’s still spitting out facts.
@@hitchensrazor9538 Your so confident in supporting her, and i have to provide you facts?
I already thought she was brilliant, but damn! Wow!
She should have been given noble peace Prize instead of that Malala.
I am totally blown away by this woman. Reading her story in "Infidel," it is simply stunning the transformation she made from fairly uneducated, kind of country bumpkin, to laser focused, extremely articulate and fearless champion of human rights. Ayaan Hirsi Ali is simply an inspiration to all humankind of the potential for kindness and self sacrifice in the name of bringing more good and happiness to people all over the world. What a blessing it is to have her and the ability to hear her anywhere.
It's funky how she's smarter than all of the other people in that debate put togheter. Their reasons are straight up crazy.
I love this woman. What a classy lady who speaks such beautifully gentle truths.
Amazing. This video makes clear that these women are in a cult. They cannot allow any criticism of their cult. They cannot respond with anything but lies and "offense". Some of them looked at Ayann as if they wished her dead. Ayaan is a very brave woman.
All of their counter arguments can be summed up to : "Not All Muslims !"
which is addressing something no one ever said. waist of time talking to those people
"Not all Muslims" and, "other people do bad things too." She should have said, "oh good, so we agree it's bad."
Well it looks like this beautiful woman was right. Look at Europe now.
She's so inteligent
Ayaan always manage to impress me with her intelligent and classy way of debating. She is 100% correct.
She is such an intelligent and well-articulated woman. She is also able to respond calmly, without inflating the hate directed at her, and with the amount of hate coming from her opponents that seems almost impossible. I think I've found my new role model.
Much respect for Mrs Ayaan Hirsi Ali wisdom. Nice to hear her reasoning. Thank you.
A lots of love for Ayyan from Pakistan
YESSS
Please don't tell anyone I commented here 🥱
And she was driven out of the country with death threats ? That really says it all. Beautiful woman, btw.
The arguments from the Muslims are very poor. Ayaan easily bats them away.
The most astonishing about this debate is how the opponents did seem to listen but not actually hear what Ayaan said. They attack her on points she had just moments before adressed. Very much respect for her calm posture.
The way they go on about Arabic as every word having so many meanings. How on earth do they ever talk to each other. I smell an exaggerated rat.
Faqyur Ma'ama You are absolutely right. One can try to rebuke your statement by saying that the prophet Muhammad is just an old man who wasn't smart enough to understand the word of Allah. Or that there isn't anyone at all who is smart enough and can fully understand God's word (like the saying "God's ways are inconceivable" and such). This, then, raises two sets of questions:
1) why had Allah chosen Muhammad as his prophet in the first place? Why hadn't He chosen someone else during the seventh century who could better comprehend and thus reiterate His word in the hopes of having His word understood by everyone in the same way? In this way, there wouldn't be any quarrel whatsoever what is actually meant by certain passages.
2) Why didn't Allah wait for humanity to evolve, mentally speaking? In other words, why did he choose to spread His word during the seventh century and not, say, during the twentieth century? Was He then so impatient for humankind to hear from Him?
Scott what - Yes I agree with you - their empty boasts about 'arabic' are now quite stale and more to the point FALSE.
Arabic is a Semitic language related to Hebrew. Numerous OT bible passages have been lost in translation from Hebrew, Why? Because Semitic languages have much more syntax's than the English language. Certain words in the quran have more than one meaning but they are usually interconnected. Thus muslims arent "boasting" but merely just stating fact.
Exactly Scott what The English translation of any verse in the Quran sounds very simple and straight forward. It sounds like it was written by an illiterate goat herder. I don't see how it could be true that in Arabic everything is that much more complicated.
It's time that Muslim Scholars got together and translated one Qur'an so all people could read it, so there is no misinterpretation.
blind and brain washed ...Hirst Ali makes great points using compassion and reasoning yet it falls on deaf ears and dull minds , God bless this lady !
Wow! Ayaan Hirsi is an amazing amazing woman! So intelligent, multi-lingual, so well spoken, just absolutely amazing!
This interview is 13 years old. I'm guessing the indigenous Dutch guys have changed their tunes a little.
I have never seen such incompetent, stupid and naive people ever put together. Bless Mrs. Ali for standing strong.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali is just WONDERFUL! She is such an intelligent,articulate young lady and I truly wish her well and safe.
:D
she speaks SIX languages. A hero AND a genius
Of course she speaks Dutch! She was a Dutch MP!
Not sure about the mariage thing! I know she became di-illusioned with islam the more she got educated. But she fled the Netherlands purely because her neighbours complained to the authorities that they did'nt feel safe anymore, with Ayaan having a fatwa issued on her life, therefore she moved to the US, where hopefully! they will take good care of this beautiful and wonderful human being!
iHost you're correct. SHe fled Somalia to escape an arranged marriage. She lives in the US now as it was too dangerous for her in Holland because of her criticism of Islam.
She's extremely calm, articulate and clear in her arguments. A very enlightened person.
Complete opposite of a typical brainwashed muslim.
this woman's voice needs to heard. please pray for her protection. she exposes serious mistreatment of women
Thank you so much for translating this show. She swept the floor with that hysterical panel.
The question is: Why do the Muslims in this video claim that Ayaan needs to state her facts much more gently when she talks about the treatment of women in Islam? Don't they see for themselves that it is wrong to marry 9-year-olds and beat "disobedient" wives?
Mohamet married his wife when she was 6 but raped her at 9
Ayaan: "Islam oppresses women."
Other women: "It does not. But it does. But other groups do it too!"
When she said Prophet is pervert whole studio becomes restless. None wish to examine the evidence.
I would like to see how many of those women would be happy living in Afghanistan covered head to toe, or forced into a marriage...
Love how a white Dutch guy can lecture a black Somalian ex-Muslim on what a "true muslim" is...
Patrick McLoughlin : I don't see why been white and Dutch should make him any less qualified to lecture someone on what a "true Muslim" is than if he were black and Somalian.
How do you know he wasn't muslim himself?
Patrick McLoughlin bah he doesn’t know jack shit about Islam he should start by packing his bags and move to their countries then he might be qualified to lecture some one on Islam To easy for a guy that was born in freedom to talk bs none sense about “true muslimes” fking idiots it’s what they are.
Funny stuff, man. "You always bring up Aisha who was 9 years old, but
he was also married to a woman older than him!" Nevermind the polygamy...
Andre Segui - are you implying that if a man has an older wife then it is ok for him to Rape as many prepubescent children as he wishes. Any Man that excepts this is not fit to be a father, a brother , a husband ..... The debate in the comments here shows the pure evil ignorance of so-called religious people.
Hirsi Ali pointed out just one of his many sins. There were many others. His polygami, his decapitation of Jews, his murder on personal critics, his enslaving and rape of prisoners of war ETC. The biggest crime he comitted was to tell the world that his doctrine and behaviours were approved by God. God never sent that man, and what he said and did was in direct contrast to the true God.
lol. Maybe they work on a mean age: Add up all the ages of their wives/slaves and divide by the number of wives/slaves :)
so funny she thought that had been a great argument
It is a bit like on my murder trial. I pointed out to the judge that there are at least 6 billion people I didn´t kill but he sentenced me anyway. So unfair.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali the best The Netherlands has brought fourth in the last 20 years! You just have to love her! A fantastic example for my daughter!!!
Miss Ayaan Hirsi Ali verbal skills are so strong. They can not keep up with her.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali is trying so hard to nuance her speech in front of these people. These people are offended by every opinion they don't like. Critical thinking just doesn't exist in Islam.
" I only reject those aspects of Islam that conflict with the rights of human beings."
Islam, if it is not to violate the rights of human beings, will cease to exist.
All these people telling her to distinguish between Muslims from different countries. Do they realise she grew up and lived in more Muslim countries than they have even visited?
Her approach is right . And she's clever with her usage of words . Gentle , kind. Understanding . One smart beautiful soul .🌎
She's right though but Muslims don't want to hear what she has to say. She kept calm and I admire her for that. God bless you.
I love how at the start, one of the guys had a problem with Ayaan's claim that Muslims were perpetually offended and that this was incorrect. Then, throughout the entire rest of the show, all they did was complain that Ayaan was being offensive and rude.
love the bias here, one women speaking against islam, and an entire panel and host who is for islam....seems like a balanced debate.
As a dutch man i recommend the video: Hans Teeuwen vs Meiden van Halal ( hans teeuwen against girls of halal) go watch
Funny how they all squirmed as if they wanted to hide when she said "sex and sexuality."
15 years ago i had a mate that was muslim, we studied in medical academy. During all these years he kind if forgot about islam and become one of us. Then he went to Sweden to work in a hospital. Recently, aged 37, he went to his bacward country for a vissit and brought a new wife. She is 20. He made her a baby right away. Now she is pregenet with a second baby. And? Well he has a nice life, he is a surgeon, has quite a good money, nice house, car, interesting life. And the poor wife of him? Didnt have time to go to school, didnt have time to learn the language. She doesnt do anything else then stay at home with the kid and waiting for her husband to take her for walk. She will never speak swedish because she doesnt go to school and doesnt work. Soon the second baby comes to this word. So her life will be like that. Sitting at home and taking care of kids and she will never asimiliate, she will never socialize. Her husband will have a great life and always a young lady at home, raising his kids. Thats a sad story in my opinion. And we all really thought that the guy is so much like us.... well he was when he was young. But his purpose of life was different than ours. I belive he never wanted an european women as a wife. He always wanted a muslim one but just never told us.
Brave of her to seemingly argue alone, and how powerfully she does it. In Dutch she sounds far more persuasive and confident than in English - I imagine because it was the language of her personal liberation and enlightenment.
Thank you VERY much for posting this!
She is fucking majestic. And very patient.
AYAAN HIRSI ALI...you are so beautiful with a beautiful mind..
"We are the Borg, you will be assimilated, resistance is futile.
She is brave, brilliant and beautiful.
Yes, she is
The gaul of people who have not been raised Muslim to question her intentions. This is crazy.
Ayaan is such a ballsy, truthful, and powerful human being.
Thanks very much whoever did the subtitles. Actually I can understand a lot of the Dutch, but only with the subtitles there to understand first.
Ik ook.
Ayaan is an amazing woman. I deeply respect her.
Ayaan is fearless. Anyone offended by her should take a hard look at their beliefs and the process by which they came to have them.
Much love for Ayaan Hirsi Ali❤
She is so well spoken. I could listen to her all day.
Without ISLAM, the world will be better off!!!!
Ayaan's truthful words make one courageous enough to stand by truth. I request this channel to use that color of font which is easily readable not the existing one.
How can anyone argue with Ayaan and make sense! She’s a human rights activist 🤯🤯
Absolutely love Ayaans unapologetic and firm words and position.. She is one of few who have the courage to stand up to the dumb masses who just yearn to belong to a group or religion. She did a wonderful job and AT NO POINT was she offensive. Quite the contrary those buffoons were being very agressive and catty. I would have loved to have seen her and Christopher Hitchens side by side battling this great evil.
Aayan is a true heroine for women and a true feminist.
God bless you, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and may God protect you...I pray for you.
Literally every day Ayaan Hirsi Ali faces hatred and the risk of being murdered, anywhere in the world, simply because she left a religion and points out its flaws.
That alone should tell you all you need to know about Islam.
Yup
I would love to meet Ayaan someday. She is such a brilliant person. I would be honored if I could have a conversation with her.
I do not understand how this woman came to be disliked by the Left. I guess it's this idea of intersectionality becoming higher in the hierarchy of causes than the rights of women. But, to some of us on the Left, there is nothing more important than furthering the rights of all women. Left or Right, it is a signpost along the way of becoming aware and educated that we can hold two or more seemingly disparate views at the same time, and Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a leader in having the ability to do so. I have enormous respect for her.
One brave woman.
Damn 1 woman vs a whole crowd including the moderator/tv presenter. And she stood strong and firm but still so kind spoken.
Thank you for your courage and speaking the truth.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali's confidence level is unparalleled!!!!
She is understandably trying very carefully not to offend anyone. Now she is much more well known she doesnt need to be so tentative with her statements and is even more brilliant in her confident well informed answers. She really is one of my heroes.