@@Pedro_Le_Chef Physically he didn't look bad....he obviously trained but that sport is the candle that burns twice as bright burns half as long. I wonder what Joe was really like cognitively in his last 5 years of life.
Marciano knocks Louis out of the ring. When Marciano retired he said if Joe Louis could not fight after a certain age than I will not either! (2) GREAT FIGHTERS! My mom used to say that the day after the Joe Louis other fights you could not recognize his opponent.
I want those days back...not like the freak show it is now with these dumbass tiktok or twitch streamers and their "style" that looks like the inside of a dumpster. Bring back class👌🏻
Im just amazed when people skip Rocky in the GOAT debates....The guy was invincible, started boxing really late in his career and had a JAW made of fuckin' adamantium.....Yes, primitive boxing but also primitive circumstances. If Rocky was around today with the nutritionists, trainers and a whole team working on him, he would dominate against anyone.
He was a manufactured champion. His opponents were hand picked for the most part and the rankings were rigged to give him the best chance. You know nothing about boxing.
@@bdono555 Here we go...Conspiracy theorists "attack". I suppose YOU know everything about boxing right?? What a dickhead....I do not give a shit about YOUR opinion mate, or whatever stories you wanna force yourself to believe. I will stay with the facts, and those are that every single pro boxer out there in the history of the sport and every single professional trainer that had to do anything with the sport acknowledges Rocky as one of the best... Now, stay on your cave bozo and keep your "opinions" to yourself.
That's what I always think of when I imagine any match up against Rocky. Like Liston or even Foreman. It's one thing to hit Rocky hard but it's quite another to get hit well by him the first time. Many fighters had never been hit like that before and really didn't like it. Psychologically no fighter would be prepared for it and it would immediately put most on the defense. Archie Moore the Legend himself said that Marciano doesn't let you fight your fight. You can come at him with your plan and many think he's easy to hit and then suddenly you realise he's not easy to hit well but if he hits you it could be all over, and if it isn't your concerned he'll hit you again.
@@MrMatt44000 Archie and Jersey Joe both also said that Rocky would let you hit him 3 times just so he can power punch you one time. Rock was a stone cold savage. He was a pressure fighter too, never ever did he let his opponent take a breath. Archie learned the hard way. That 2nd time moore was down in round 6, you can see moore look out the ring and thought--Man, F this!!! 😭
@@CapoKabar archie v rock is the most impressive display I've ever seen from a Heavyweight. It's arguable rock was not at his best in that fight, he has lost the heart for it and his back was in pieces but he still delivers a devastating punishment. His entire attitude in that fight is, let's get the job done, this is standard routine. And this against the GREAT archie Moore, whom I love, one of the best ever. In fact Moores fight with Durelle is the best fight I've ever seen
A young cat named Casius Clay would have beaten both these men without question. He was fast and mobile, something Louis and Marciano were not. Plus his jab would have kept them at bay.
@@TAYLORFAN50 Louis' jab was as good as Ali's and he was definitely faster than anybody Ali ever was in the ring with. On the other hand, Louis knocked out multiple people who were exceptionally fast heavyweights such as Bob Pastor, Walcott and Billy Conn.
You stick around the fight game too long...this sort of thing happens. Just look at Benny Leonard, Muhammad Ali, James Jeffries, Sugar Ray Leonard, and so many others.
It took Rocky, what, 8 rounds to take out an ancient Louis who was running on fumes and fighting on memory. The Rocky fans seem very very passionate. Rocky was a terrific fighter and the best of his era. Logically prime Louis in a decision.
@@DarthVader1977why Because he beat an ancient Louis who was fighting on memory. Only still fighting because he was broke. I love these troll comments. No reason, just Rocky was GOAT Rocky was indeed a great fighter during his generation.
Too bad Joe was not a few years younger when he fought Rocky, it would have been a heck of a fight. Probably would have went the distance and doubtful anyone would have gone through the ropes. Gotta love them both.
An old joe louis bashed up rockys face just imagine liston ali foreman would have done to him and by the way rocky mentioned 3 fighters in history who he thought he wouldnt have beat a prime louis liston and ali look it up its on ytube
I doubt it. A prime Joe Louis would've certainly had a chance of defeating Rocky at his best. Had this bout taken place 10 years earlier, my money would be on Louis.
@@peacefulbliss1 It took Schmeling 80 right hands to knock Louis out. It took him 20 rights to even floor Louis. Walcott floored Rocky with the first left hand he threw, imagine if that was prime Louis in the ring with him. In truth, we don't know how Marciano would have fared against big, prime heavyweights like the Baer brothers, Schmeling, or Lou Nova. All the best fighters he faced were below 200 lbs and about 40 years old, to say that he would have done well against a monster punching 25 year old Louis with blazing hand speed is wishful thinking to say the least. Louis would have obliterated him
I agree, I think Rocky could have beaten a prime Joe Louis and I believe Joe said this himself. He also called Marciano the Fighter of the century. Marciano had a legendary chin and was insanely well conditioned. He had more determination than any fighter ever, I doubt Louis would have knocked him out, since to knock a guy out is determined by how tired he is, chin and determination. Louis also didn't hit as hard as Rocky. And Louis said that Rocky was hard to hit well he was surprisingly hard to hit. Louis was taken by a still fairly young Schmelling and no doubt Rocky would have beaten Schmelling. Louis was also floored at least twice by Walcott and once by Braddock. None of these fighters were as good as Rocky. It would be a good match but unless Louis wins on cuts, which is plausible, it's a victory for Marciano. A lot depends on the rules in hypothetical match ups like this. Suppose the fight goes until one is knocked out, with no disqualification for cuts and no 3 knock down rule. It's always going to be Marciano.
Obviously you never trained in combat sports. Do you think that Rocky would show up TODAY in his 1950s form? Today he would have the same genes, mentality, guts and indestructible jaw of the 50s, but at the same time he would also have 15 years more full-time training than what he had in the 50s, proper trainers, a whole team behind him, nutritionists and an elite medical team. Rocky TODAY would fuckin' dominate against any moving obstacle including all of these spoiled shooting stars we have....
@@paulweir5031 NO--Louis got dinged by the government for two fights he gought during the war for free, to donate the purses to the war effort. The IRS said he owed taxes on the money he gave away.
@@DavidChapman-hu2eq I'm a little shocked that this level a fighter was still doing it. In karate sparring I used to take advantage of lower belts who threw punches like they were turning a wheel, so that I always knew that they'd automatically drop their hand and I could throw a counter without even thinking about it.
He wasn't though. You can find many moments where he double jabs or keeps the left up as a frame to hold Rocky back. Old timers just wouldn't put the left hand against their skulls to block punches, that doesn't mean it was a flaw, Rocky didn't hold his left up either.
@@Pedro_Le_Chef no critic of louis Pedro he was a great fighter who got tired and old in his last fight im an ex boxer and trainer and not protecting your chin after left jabs can leave you in big trouble. As my own son found out last year in a big fight 1st Rd k o worrying. But that's the boxing business. Thanks for comments
That's not what Louis said, he said at Marciano receiving the award for fighter of the century a few months before he was killed, that not only was Rocky the fighter of the century, but that he thought Marciano was the best Heavyweight Champion of all time...
BTW, Walcott, Moore, and Charles, all said the same thing. And years later Heavyweight Champion Muhammad Ali pretty much said the same thing. Food for thought, for all you naysayers. Even Don Turner said the same thing, you remember Don, trained the Klitchko's, and Evander Holyfield...
Too much editing. Couldn't figure out what was going on. Neither fought never wases, they fought the best available. Only one problem, there weren't many good ones. Maybe Roland La Starza.
Not saying Rocky was a bad sport but I find it really boring watching a boxer who constantly dips down and keeps his shoulder side on to avoid being punched.
In 1936 22 year-old Joe Louis climbed into the ring with an over-the-hill ex-champion who was 10 years older than he was and Joe proceeded to get knocked the fu*k out! How do you explain THAT, Einstein? ua-cam.com/video/a9z8F4fgj6Q/v-deo.html It appears that it didn't matter whether the other guy was 10 years younger or 10 years older, Joe would somehow figure out how to get knocked the fu*k out.
@@georgewins8818 While I am aware that it's been 6 days; and everybody avoided you since {understandably}...that much "stupid", must be challenged. Worse than that, you wrote, "Stupid" Pt I & II. The first section was bad enough, but the second part, is of the absolute worst, ever witnessed. Does your brain know what your fingers are typing? People of your ilk, bother the [#&!% ] out of me. The saddest part...I doubt you are even aware of, just how unintelligent, uninformed, uneducated, undisciplined, you actually are. [Don't bother reacting to this, as there is nothing you could possible say, that would not be "stupid"! Enough of that!]
Joe Lewis was way past his prime if it was 10:15 years earlier it would have been another fight you can't count this as Rocky's Big Moment the guy was away over the hills and I do love Rocky Marciano but it was not a fair fight everybody knows that so everybody makes a big deal how he beat your Lewis I would have loved to seen him fight him 10-15 years earlier
The Brown Bomber's best days were in the 30s. Marciano historically overrated as he would not be able to compete with fighters from the 60s on up. Not his fault, he was really a blown up light heavy/cruiserweight
Big deal Rocky, Louis was already an old man at the time. Look at the bald spot on top of his head. This was a mismatch because of the age difference. Marciano should have been ashamed.
Marciano wasn't that young he was 27 which is quite old for a heavyweight Plus he'd only been boxing seriously for 2 years. And Louis had 30 lbs extra, a string on 8 good victories, and much better reach. And he was taller
@@MrMatt44000 27 is fully prime. Louis' 8 string of wins came against unremarkable opponents. He couldn't knock out Cesar Brion and Omelio Agramonte in 20 rounds against each of them. There is no fighter who went 20 rounds in two fights against pre 1950s Louis. Not a single one.
@@Pedro_Le_Chef he just beat the hall of fame legend Jimmy Bivins. He had gone the distance with Charles 9 fights earlier in a title bout. Joe was not washed up and he was the bookie favourite to beat Marciano. The whole crowd was silent and stunned when Louis was KOed. 27 is quite old for a heavyweight and Marciano had only been pro for 2 years after hardly any amateur experience. He started really old as a heavyweight. Name me one other heavyweight legend who started at 25 and achieved anything close to what Marciano achieved. Apart from age, Joe had so much on his side
@@MrMatt44000 Bivins wasn't rated when Louis fought him. He'd only rate once more at number 10 the next year and then never appear in the rankings again. Bivins was practically finished. His prime years were 1941-1945, long time before Louis fought him. Louis was a bookie favorite for all his fights, from 1934 all the way to 1951. Of course he was favored to beat a somewhat unproven Marciano. However, the fact that he was favored as at odds of 6-5, a very slim margin, shows that even his contemporaries knew how far gone he was. Boxing experts, reporters and writers had already remarked as to how diminished Louis was and many urged him to retire. 27 is athletic prime btw. There are outliers who age faster but we're talking about men who started fighting at 12 or 14 years old, not guys who started at 23. At 27 Rocky was 3 years into his pro boxing career. In the same time frame Louis, Ali, Tyson and Patterson had won the heavyweight title. "Apart from age, Louis had so much on his side" So, to rephrase that: "Apart from a lack of reflexes, footspeed, hand speed, stamina, power, combinations accuracy, durability, being 10 years away from the last time he was prime in 1942 and generally being washed up, Louis had so much going for him. Did you see how awesome he looked when he couldn't knockout the never-ranked Omelio Agramonte in two fights?" Do you see how you sound like now? Btw, I made a long comment obliterating your response about Walcott being prime in our other discussion but UA-cam hid it. I'll try reposting, and I hope they won't hide this one.
Joe Lewis was 42 years old when he fought Rocky Marciano. What would of happen if he fought him in 1938 instead of 1952 Joe Lewis held the championship for 12 years. Marciano held it for one year
@@steveniemyer9288 But the guy was already 38 years old, I believe. He was already way past his prime. Even the 38-year old Muhammad Ali, as great as he was during his heyday, got his @$$ whooped by Larry Holmes when he should've hung his boxing gloves & trunks for good.
@@SilverDreamer62 facts bother you? If he fought Liston, he still would have been YOUNGER than Joe was when he fought Marciano. He was a coward who fought old men. Liston would have knocked him out in 2 rounds
Respect your view I was big on tyson still am. But could he have stood toe to toe with rock frazier or liston maybe not. But we'll never know damn shame
Maybe, maybe not. Marciano certainly had a better record and was more dominant during his respective era. He was 49 -0 with 43 KOs. Tyson was knocked out 5 times and was not even the best of his own era. Other than a win over an older Larry Holmes who was out of action for a couple a years, Tyson beat no all-time great heavyweights. Most of his fabulous KOs are against fighters nobody can name.
@@becker54 You're saying Mike Tyson was not the best in his era? Just...wow. No dude; respectfully, when Tyson was in his prime there was no one even close.
In 1950 'old' Joe Louis was the number 1 contender. This fight was 1951. Louis still had enough in the tank to bring it until Marciano wore him out in the later rounds. Yes, maybe Louis wasn't in his prime but that is something that can't be controlled. By the way, Louis was the odds on favorite to win that fight
Don't blame Rocky's fight picks. Read some history. If you, your manager or your middleman didn't kiss Frankie Carbo's Mafia ass, you did not get fights that would keep you alive or move you up the ladder.
@@HK-ou2ir Your assessment is mostly fair but Louis was not all that highly regarded in '51. As for him being a favorite, there was never a fight in which Louis wasn't the favorite going in, not once, ever. He was even favored to beat Charles. The fact that he was only a 6-5 favorite over the up and coming Marciano speaks volumes.
Marciano is over hyped, but then again so is Louis; he held the title for so long because of WWII and a shortage of decent opposition; look up his record. Schmeling gave him a spanking, as did Walcott, no great shakes as a boxer( and worse as a ref! ) but on the wrong end of a dreadful decision, and Conn, a light heavy, had him beaten hands down but for the rush of blood to his Irish head. Could you imagine Ali or Liston losing to that trio? Flatfooted and pedestrian.
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Reporter: _"How does it feel to beat the legendary, Joe Louis?"_
Marciano: _"Beat Joe Louis? I beat his shadow."_
Two great fighters! Blessed to meet them both.
woww......
Where ?
@@Fartman-f3k He means by seeing them here for the first time, he's not met them in real ife.
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How do you know ?
Alway dodgy boxing promoters…from day 1
Sad to see Louis like this, he was 6-7 years past his best at the time. Marciano was a street brawler, a tough man no doubt.
Try 10 years. Last time Louis was prime was 1942.
@@Pedro_Le_Chef Physically he didn't look bad....he obviously trained but that sport is the candle that burns twice as bright burns half as long. I wonder what Joe was really like cognitively in his last 5 years of life.
@@mikerieck306 As I recall, it was bad.
Two great fighters... legendary!!!
Marciano wept in the locker room. Louis was his idol growing up.
Two absolute heroes and legends
Marciano knocks Louis out of the ring. When Marciano retired he said if Joe Louis could not fight after a certain age than I will not either! (2) GREAT FIGHTERS! My mom used to say that the day after the Joe Louis other fights you could not recognize his opponent.
I take it she met Arturo Godoy then
All the men in the audience have suit and ties on
I want those days back...not like the freak show it is now with these dumbass tiktok or twitch streamers and their "style" that looks like the inside of a dumpster. Bring back class👌🏻
It was a time when people had standards. Compare and contrast with today.
....and they were holding their hats by their sides.😁
And many of them were mobsters with financial ties to both fighters.
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Looks like the gloves they used are smaller compared to today's
8 or 12 ounce gloves probably. Today's gloves look like pillows in comparison.
When I have gone by Joe Luis's grave at Arlington, I have always chocked back tears. He fought for his country, and it betrayed him.
It must be pointed out that Marciano didn’t want this to take this fight. Joe Louis was his idol growing up!
Marciano was hard to beat because of his crouch. He was a catcher in baseball. It made it like trying to punch a turtle.
The rock was a rough handful at any time louis did well in his last fight
Thanks for sharing this
Im just amazed when people skip Rocky in the GOAT debates....The guy was invincible, started boxing really late in his career and had a JAW made of fuckin' adamantium.....Yes, primitive boxing but also primitive circumstances. If Rocky was around today with the nutritionists, trainers and a whole team working on him, he would dominate against anyone.
He was a manufactured champion. His opponents were hand picked for the most part and the rankings were rigged to give him the best chance. You know nothing about boxing.
@@bdono555 Here we go...Conspiracy theorists "attack". I suppose YOU know everything about boxing right?? What a dickhead....I do not give a shit about YOUR opinion mate, or whatever stories you wanna force yourself to believe. I will stay with the facts, and those are that every single pro boxer out there in the history of the sport and every single professional trainer that had to do anything with the sport acknowledges Rocky as one of the best... Now, stay on your cave bozo and keep your "opinions" to yourself.
@@bdono555 Anti-Whyte much?
@@DarthVader1977 Just how how stupid are you?
@@bdono555 you pick the wings off of flies too LOL
looks like a stand-up wrestling match!
Everyone thought they was tough against Rock until they took that first hit. Then, it was all about survival. -George Foreman
That's what I always think of when I imagine any match up against Rocky. Like Liston or even Foreman. It's one thing to hit Rocky hard but it's quite another to get hit well by him the first time. Many fighters had never been hit like that before and really didn't like it. Psychologically no fighter would be prepared for it and it would immediately put most on the defense. Archie Moore the Legend himself said that Marciano doesn't let you fight your fight. You can come at him with your plan and many think he's easy to hit and then suddenly you realise he's not easy to hit well but if he hits you it could be all over, and if it isn't your concerned he'll hit you again.
@@MrMatt44000 Archie and Jersey Joe both also said that Rocky would let you hit him 3 times just so he can power punch you one time. Rock was a stone cold savage. He was a pressure fighter too, never ever did he let his opponent take a breath. Archie learned the hard way. That 2nd time moore was down in round 6, you can see moore look out the ring and thought--Man, F this!!! 😭
@@CapoKabar archie v rock is the most impressive display I've ever seen from a Heavyweight. It's arguable rock was not at his best in that fight, he has lost the heart for it and his back was in pieces but he still delivers a devastating punishment. His entire attitude in that fight is, let's get the job done, this is standard routine. And this against the GREAT archie Moore, whom I love, one of the best ever. In fact Moores fight with Durelle is the best fight I've ever seen
The Blockbuster busted the Bomber.
Louis should have retired after the Wolcott fight. He was done. He needed the money. Both men in their prime would have been the fight of the century.
A young cat named Casius Clay would have beaten both these men without question. He was fast and mobile, something Louis and Marciano were not. Plus his jab would have kept them at bay.
@@TAYLORFAN50 Louis' jab was as good as Ali's and he was definitely faster than anybody Ali ever was in the ring with. On the other hand, Louis knocked out multiple people who were exceptionally fast heavyweights such as Bob Pastor, Walcott and Billy Conn.
@@TAYLORFAN50 Clay was way over rated. If he played those "rope"games against either one of these fighters he would've been knocked out.
You stick around the fight game too long...this sort of thing happens. Just look at Benny Leonard, Muhammad Ali, James Jeffries, Sugar Ray Leonard, and so many others.
Seen nobody more messed up than Jerry quarry
@@SuperBeachbum74 Poor Jerry, it's a real shame.
I can not understand why no one has made an up to date feature film about Joe Louis, Such a great and sad story to be told there.
The saddest day in boxing history
My fav, Rocky. Never backs down
It took Rocky, what, 8 rounds to take out an ancient Louis who was running on fumes and fighting on memory. The Rocky fans seem very very passionate. Rocky was a terrific fighter and the best of his era. Logically prime Louis in a decision.
Rocky is the GOAT.
@@DarthVader1977why
Because he beat an ancient Louis who was fighting on memory. Only still fighting because he was broke.
I love these troll comments. No reason, just
Rocky was GOAT
Rocky was indeed a great fighter during his generation.
How big is that ring BTW!?
The Golden era of boxing. Long before the days of pay-per-view, tacky arenas, dodgy promoters and boxers having a fifty plus entourage.
Naive…the mob controlled many arena. LaMotta got screwed until he participated in a fixed fight.
@@darbyheavey406 Yeah I know, never said it was perfect. Just better
Yo, Rockooooooooooooooooo!!!
Marciano cried that he beat his idol Joe Luis so badly. Both were true sportsman.
Too bad Joe was not a few years younger when he fought Rocky, it would have been a heck of a fight. Probably would have went the distance and doubtful anyone would have gone through the ropes. Gotta love them both.
THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rocky was great but in his prime the Brown Bomber would have given Rocky his only lost. Joe Louis was the true greatest.
An old joe louis bashed up rockys face just imagine liston ali foreman would have done to him and by the way rocky mentioned 3 fighters in history who he thought he wouldnt have beat a prime louis liston and ali look it up its on ytube
Joe was a old man well past his prime
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You really get a feel for the importance of conditioning and doing the roadwork. Little by little Louis just wore down.
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face
No version of Louis would have beaten Rocky. I trust Rocky's chin over Joe's, and far lesser fighters than Rocky had Louis in trouble.
I doubt it. A prime Joe Louis would've certainly had a chance of defeating Rocky at his best. Had this bout taken place 10 years earlier, my money would be on Louis.
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25 years earlier and my money would be on Lewis
What nonsense you speak
@@williamwatson4625 Rocky's chin I trust. Joe's I do not.
@@peacefulbliss1 It took Schmeling 80 right hands to knock Louis out. It took him 20 rights to even floor Louis.
Walcott floored Rocky with the first left hand he threw, imagine if that was prime Louis in the ring with him.
In truth, we don't know how Marciano would have fared against big, prime heavyweights like the Baer brothers, Schmeling, or Lou Nova. All the best fighters he faced were below 200 lbs and about 40 years old, to say that he would have done well against a monster punching 25 year old Louis with blazing hand speed is wishful thinking to say the least. Louis would have obliterated him
I agree, I think Rocky could have beaten a prime Joe Louis and I believe Joe said this himself. He also called Marciano the Fighter of the century. Marciano had a legendary chin and was insanely well conditioned. He had more determination than any fighter ever, I doubt Louis would have knocked him out, since to knock a guy out is determined by how tired he is, chin and determination. Louis also didn't hit as hard as Rocky. And Louis said that Rocky was hard to hit well he was surprisingly hard to hit. Louis was taken by a still fairly young Schmelling and no doubt Rocky would have beaten Schmelling. Louis was also floored at least twice by Walcott and once by Braddock. None of these fighters were as good as Rocky.
It would be a good match but unless Louis wins on cuts, which is plausible, it's a victory for Marciano.
A lot depends on the rules in hypothetical match ups like this. Suppose the fight goes until one is knocked out, with no disqualification for cuts and no 3 knock down rule. It's always going to be Marciano.
I'm sorry but neither fighter would last too long in today's standard
Obviously you never trained in combat sports. Do you think that Rocky would show up TODAY in his 1950s form? Today he would have the same genes, mentality, guts and indestructible jaw of the 50s, but at the same time he would also have 15 years more full-time training than what he had in the 50s, proper trainers, a whole team behind him, nutritionists and an elite medical team. Rocky TODAY would fuckin' dominate against any moving obstacle including all of these spoiled shooting stars we have....
Just another fight that never should have happened.
“Joe Lewis was 135 years old”😂😂😂
I’m a Marciano man but Joe Louis was a great champion and an even better person. In his day I don’t think Rocky would have beat him.
Government ripped him up big time. That's why he had to take this fight
Should have paid his taxes on time.
The demon known as the IRS. Horrible what they did to Joe.
@@paulweir5031 NO--Louis got dinged by the government for two fights he gought during the war for free, to donate the purses to the war effort. The IRS said he owed taxes on the money he gave away.
Joe Lewis was 76 years old when he fought this fight.
Marciano was about fourteen stone compared to today’s boxers
Two great champions
I can't be the only one that saw it, but Louis is often dropping his jab after he throws it. Marciano does throw a right over the dropped jab.
Your right on cue.👍
Spot on. Regards from a boxing trainer
@@DavidChapman-hu2eq I'm a little shocked that this level a fighter was still doing it. In karate sparring I used to take advantage of lower belts who threw punches like they were turning a wheel, so that I always knew that they'd automatically drop their hand and I could throw a counter without even thinking about it.
He wasn't though. You can find many moments where he double jabs or keeps the left up as a frame to hold Rocky back.
Old timers just wouldn't put the left hand against their skulls to block punches, that doesn't mean it was a flaw, Rocky didn't hold his left up either.
@@Pedro_Le_Chef no critic of louis Pedro he was a great fighter who got tired and old in his last fight im an ex boxer and trainer and not protecting your chin after left jabs can leave you in big trouble. As my own son found out last year in a big fight 1st Rd k o worrying. But that's the boxing business. Thanks for comments
If it’s prime Joe Louis, Rocky would still win, but Prime Louis would be putting a great show
Sorry I disagree!
Bullshit.
Marciano wouldn't have stand a chance versus the best version of Joe Lewis. Not by a long shot.
That's not what Louis said, he said at Marciano receiving the award for fighter of the century a few months before he was killed, that not only was Rocky the fighter of the century, but that he thought Marciano was the best Heavyweight Champion of all time...
BTW, Walcott, Moore, and Charles, all said the same thing. And years later Heavyweight Champion Muhammad Ali pretty much said the same thing.
Food for thought, for all you naysayers.
Even Don Turner said the same thing, you remember Don, trained the Klitchko's, and Evander Holyfield...
Too much editing. Couldn't figure out what was going on. Neither fought never wases, they fought the best available. Only one problem, there weren't many good ones. Maybe Roland La Starza.
I have the full fight on my channel with no edits.
My dad said Joe Louis was the best, he had a six inch punch !!
The man was seventy-six years old!!! Joe Louis always lied about his age. He lied about his age all the time.
Joe 37 back from retirement against 27 year old Rocky. A 27 year old Joe and Rocky wouldn't have chance.
Not saying Rocky was a bad sport but I find it really boring watching a boxer who constantly dips down and keeps his shoulder side on to avoid being punched.
They played.
Joes last fight.
Joe Louis was over the hill at 37 years old fighting a 27 year old man. Louis needed the money.
In 1936 22 year-old Joe Louis climbed into the ring with an over-the-hill ex-champion who was 10 years older than he was and Joe proceeded to get knocked the fu*k out! How do you explain THAT, Einstein?
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It appears that it didn't matter whether the other guy was 10 years younger or 10 years older, Joe would somehow figure out how to get knocked the fu*k out.
@@georgewins8818
While I am aware that it's been 6 days; and everybody avoided you since {understandably}...that much "stupid", must be challenged.
Worse than that, you wrote, "Stupid" Pt I & II.
The first section was bad enough, but the second part, is of the absolute worst, ever witnessed.
Does your brain know what your fingers are typing?
People of your ilk, bother the [#&!% ] out of me.
The saddest part...I doubt you are even aware of, just how unintelligent, uninformed, uneducated, undisciplined, you actually are.
[Don't bother reacting to this, as there is nothing you could possible say, that would not be "stupid"! Enough of that!]
137* 😂
The Zapruder film had better editing
Elder abuse.
Joe Louis was 167years old in this fight!--Eddie Murphy Coming To America. 😅😅😅
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Fascinating to see how these fighters differ from today’s elite fighters. They were much slower back then.
A washed up old man went 8 rounds
Marciano attack always with his head low and first -that are not allowed according to the rules
Joe Lewis was way past his prime if it was 10:15 years earlier it would have been another fight you can't count this as Rocky's Big Moment the guy was away over the hills and I do love Rocky Marciano but it was not a fair fight everybody knows that so everybody makes a big deal how he beat your Lewis I would have loved to seen him fight him 10-15 years earlier
Loved Joe, he should not have needed the money.
The Suzy Q!
Thank you the bank hasn't processed it yet apparently but the power company was correct.
A 37 year old vs a 28 year old. Marciano was just too young and tough
Joe Louis in his prime would have beaten Marciano. Louis here was well past his best.
he would have beat rock into a pebble
Lois was really way, way past his prime by then, poor guy...
The Brown Bomber's best days were in the 30s. Marciano historically overrated as he would not be able to compete with fighters from the 60s on up. Not his fault, he was really a blown up light heavy/cruiserweight
Joe Louis was 177yrs old😅
Big deal Rocky, Louis was already an old man at the time. Look at the bald spot on top of his head. This was a mismatch because of the age difference. Marciano should have been ashamed.
Joe, only did it to pay off the I.R.S😢😢😢😢
Rocky 28 vs Louis 37,
Joe, way beyond his prime, was not a match for a young Rocky Marciano. $$$
Marciano wasn't that young he was 27 which is quite old for a heavyweight
Plus he'd only been boxing seriously for 2 years. And Louis had 30 lbs extra, a string on 8 good victories, and much better reach. And he was taller
@@MrMatt44000 27 is fully prime.
Louis' 8 string of wins came against unremarkable opponents. He couldn't knock out Cesar Brion and Omelio Agramonte in 20 rounds against each of them. There is no fighter who went 20 rounds in two fights against pre 1950s Louis. Not a single one.
@@Pedro_Le_Chef he just beat the hall of fame legend Jimmy Bivins. He had gone the distance with Charles 9 fights earlier in a title bout. Joe was not washed up and he was the bookie favourite to beat Marciano. The whole crowd was silent and stunned when Louis was KOed.
27 is quite old for a heavyweight and Marciano had only been pro for 2 years after hardly any amateur experience. He started really old as a heavyweight. Name me one other heavyweight legend who started at 25 and achieved anything close to what Marciano achieved. Apart from age, Joe had so much on his side
@@MrMatt44000 Bivins wasn't rated when Louis fought him. He'd only rate once more at number 10 the next year and then never appear in the rankings again. Bivins was practically finished. His prime years were 1941-1945, long time before Louis fought him.
Louis was a bookie favorite for all his fights, from 1934 all the way to 1951. Of course he was favored to beat a somewhat unproven Marciano. However, the fact that he was favored as at odds of 6-5, a very slim margin, shows that even his contemporaries knew how far gone he was. Boxing experts, reporters and writers had already remarked as to how diminished Louis was and many urged him to retire.
27 is athletic prime btw. There are outliers who age faster but we're talking about men who started fighting at 12 or 14 years old, not guys who started at 23.
At 27 Rocky was 3 years into his pro boxing career.
In the same time frame Louis, Ali, Tyson and Patterson had won the heavyweight title.
"Apart from age, Louis had so much on his side"
So, to rephrase that:
"Apart from a lack of reflexes, footspeed, hand speed, stamina, power, combinations accuracy, durability, being 10 years away from the last time he was prime in 1942 and generally being washed up, Louis had so much going for him. Did you see how awesome he looked when he couldn't knockout the never-ranked Omelio Agramonte in two fights?"
Do you see how you sound like now?
Btw, I made a long comment obliterating your response about Walcott being prime in our other discussion but UA-cam hid it. I'll try reposting, and I hope they won't hide this one.
joe was not even close to his prime most of Rocky's opponents were over 35
"He beat Joe Louis' a$$".
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Louis was an old man would have killed him in his prime
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Jamás marciano le habría ganado a Joe Louis en el año 40 cuando estaba en su mejor momento está pelea es del año 51 estando viejo y acabado
THE BEST BUT LITTLE RECOGNITION BECAUSE OF AMERICAS DISCRIMINATION AGAINST ITALIAN AMERICANS....
The Rock sure can fight against boxers over 40.😅
How old was Joe Louis?
37yrs, old rocky was 27 yrs. old.
Rocky the dirtiest boxer ever. Would hardly get through a fight these days without being disqualified
Какой же примитивный бокс был раньше.
Rocky used his head as a third weapon, cheat
Doesn’t even look like boxing
No argument....ROCKY is the greatest 💪💪💪💪💪
What a terrible editing...
Joe Lewis was 42 years old when he fought Rocky Marciano. What would of happen if he fought him in 1938 instead of 1952 Joe Lewis held the championship for 12 years. Marciano held it for one year
No, 37.
What would have happened if your dad never met your mom...
happened*
Marciano held it for 3 years.....why do you feel the need to lie so much?
Joe Louis was too old. it was a return after retire
“Joe Louis was 75 years old when they fought!”
“I don’t know how old he was, but he got his @$$ whooped”
@@steveniemyer9288 😆
Not true he was 96 , 75 was his son !
@@steveniemyer9288 But the guy was already 38 years old, I believe. He was already way past his prime. Even the 38-year old Muhammad Ali, as great as he was during his heyday, got his @$$ whooped by Larry Holmes when he should've hung his boxing gloves & trunks for good.
“F you….F you…. and F you. Who’s next?”
😂😂👌
boxe affreuse ! c'est de la lutte
I'm just not impressed. I never particularily liked Muhamed Ali, but he was good. And some of the boxers from the 80's were better.
Think whatever you want. Marciano fought them all in his era and never lost. Nothing will ever change that fact.
Marciano was a COWARD. Beat up an old man. Why did he duck Liston? coward!
Just stirring up the stew, I see.
@@SilverDreamer62 facts bother you? If he fought Liston, he still would have been YOUNGER than Joe was when he fought Marciano. He was a coward who fought old men. Liston would have knocked him out in 2 rounds
If he fought Liston he would have been KNOCKED OUT. Coward
Tyson would have put Marciano in a body bag.
Respect your view I was big on tyson still am. But could he have stood toe to toe with rock frazier or liston maybe not. But we'll never know damn shame
@@DavidChapman-hu2eq oh that's a fight id have sold the house to watch Frazer against Tyson in there prime
Really ?
Maybe, maybe not. Marciano certainly had a better record and was more dominant during his respective era. He was 49 -0 with 43 KOs. Tyson was knocked out 5 times and was not even the best of his own era. Other than a win over an older Larry Holmes who was out of action for a couple a years, Tyson beat no all-time great heavyweights. Most of his fabulous KOs are against fighters nobody can name.
@@becker54 You're saying Mike Tyson was not the best in his era? Just...wow. No dude; respectfully, when Tyson was in his prime there was no one even close.
It looks fake.
Liston..Ali..Foreman...Holifield...Tyson......all the would have beaten Rocky Marciano....
Joe Louis was Broke & about 45 plus Boxing was ran by Italians that had this BS fixed!
Frankie Carbo #1 on that list.
So Marciano beat an old, totally past his prime Louis, big deal! Marciano went 49-0 against old fighters.
In 1950 'old' Joe Louis was the number 1 contender. This fight was 1951. Louis still had enough in the tank to bring it until Marciano wore him out in the later rounds. Yes, maybe Louis wasn't in his prime but that is something that can't be controlled. By the way, Louis was the odds on favorite to win that fight
@@HK-ou2ir
Don't blame Rocky's fight picks. Read some history. If you, your manager or your middleman didn't kiss Frankie Carbo's Mafia ass, you did not get fights that would keep you alive or move you up the ladder.
@@HK-ou2ir Your assessment is mostly fair but Louis was not all that highly regarded in '51. As for him being a favorite, there was never a fight in which Louis wasn't the favorite going in, not once, ever. He was even favored to beat Charles. The fact that he was only a 6-5 favorite over the up and coming Marciano speaks volumes.
Marciano is over hyped, but then again so is Louis; he held the title for so long because of WWII and a shortage of decent opposition; look up his record.
Schmeling gave him a spanking, as did Walcott, no great shakes as a boxer( and worse as a ref! ) but on the wrong end of a dreadful decision, and Conn, a light heavy, had him beaten hands down but for the rush of blood to his Irish head. Could you imagine Ali or Liston losing to that trio?
Flatfooted and pedestrian.