The context is important, he is explaining Dilla to his audience, which is not really people into "beats" for the most part. Also, playing live with things on different swings consistently like a programmed drum machine is actually pretty hard... try it. Questlove and others have talked about how it goes against the instincts and training of most musicians, hence why Dilla'style was special.
Dilla was an engineer and knew exactly what he was doing every step. People need to do what he did, create your own style and stop biting whats already been done.
I love Dilla...such an inspiration, but I almost never go for the Dilla style drums myself when making beats. Partially because it seems hard to nail it the way he did and it's so over saturated now
True but finding your own style comes from the process of tying to trace your inspiration first. You need a framework so it’s best to try to imitate first. Before J Dilla’s signature sound emerged, he was surely trying to master the Pete Rock sound in his basement first.
@@peteypete1984 as far as Dilla's drum sound, I agree, but the element that his drums have which I do try to emulate is how real they sound, realer even than a live drummer somehow
you gotta take the fact that his audience is mostly classical/composer musicians into account man. he ain’t trying to explain hip-hop to electronic producers
You think there are electronic producers who aren't classically trained or willing to try to try out these concepts? Edit: Don't reply to the bot below my comment, report
I think at that by the end of it WB and the narrator both agree that these subtleties are the spontaneous creation of musicians with a talant for "finding a groove". I think the valid point of the video is that these subtleties can be analyzed and understood objectively which is of interest and while a bit long winded none of his analysis is wrong imo
Captain Pikant video on swing is worth a watch if you want clarity/like tiny rabbits, is called "Here's what SWING/SHUFFLE really does... An easy explanation | Drum Machine 101"
Bro even in his own example of MJ you can hear the exact same thing, everybody doing their own thing and not strictly adhering to an absolute grid. That stuff is like basic musicianship outside of ensemble playing.
Why do people act like lo-fi currently emulates J Dilla? It's more like ambient music with the drums shifted around randomly, dilla played out specific rhythms, with his own twist on jazz and soul music, current lofi is really more like ambient/new age music, it's not really "groovy" it's barely even hip-hop at this point, almost nothing like Dilla
most modern lofi hip hip sounds nothing like classic beats made in the 90s through early 2000s. it's hard to find new stuff that really has that old sound
Agreed. Early LoFi, when it was more boom bappish, did have somewhat of a Dillaesque feel. Unfortunately, especially a lot of the LoFi joints from the Chillhop label, the subgenre started getting real milquetoast and saccharine sounding and don't have that Hip Hop flavor anymore. I think a lot of folks who weren't Hip Hop connoisseurs in the first place had gotten into making LoFi and they don't have that Blues/Funk based groove style that gives Hip Hop flavor. I used to compare LoFi HH to Jazz Fusion in the beginning. These days I compare it to Smooth Jazz.
@@apexone5502I think it isn’t a matter of the artists becoming milquetoast, I think the samples are just more artificial. The use of real samples from actual vinyl jazz and dance tracks, as in live real bands, has been replaced by artificial digital sample packs that were never played by a human. People try to add some humanizing effects by programming midi, but that’s the key to “real hip hop”. It was a bunch of people who couldn’t afford or didn’t have the skill to play an instrument, so they jacked real performances. That is the only reason it sounds “authentic” because its pulled from a real human jam session. Modern Lofi is mainly digital recreations of a hypothetical jam which never actually happened.
he just wasn't quantizing his shit right? not saying dilla wasn't a genius but still even if he had all this knowledge, he probably just wasn't quantizing
The context is important, he is explaining Dilla to his audience, which is not really people into "beats" for the most part. Also, playing live with things on different swings consistently like a programmed drum machine is actually pretty hard... try it. Questlove and others have talked about how it goes against the instincts and training of most musicians, hence why Dilla'style was special.
Dilla was an engineer and knew exactly what he was doing every step. People need to do what he did, create your own style and stop biting whats already been done.
While I agree with you
Please remember that crafting a unique sound doesn't just come outta nowhere
I love Dilla...such an inspiration, but I almost never go for the Dilla style drums myself when making beats. Partially because it seems hard to nail it the way he did and it's so over saturated now
True but finding your own style comes from the process of tying to trace your inspiration first. You need a framework so it’s best to try to imitate first. Before J Dilla’s signature sound emerged, he was surely trying to master the Pete Rock sound in his basement first.
@@CurtisC685 totally agree I pulled from all my inspirations
@@peteypete1984 as far as Dilla's drum sound, I agree, but the element that his drums have which I do try to emulate is how real they sound, realer even than a live drummer somehow
you gotta take the fact that his audience is mostly classical/composer musicians into account man. he ain’t trying to explain hip-hop to electronic producers
You think there are electronic producers who aren't classically trained or willing to try to try out these concepts?
Edit: Don't reply to the bot below my comment, report
@@stereokuuji not at all; what I mean is that David bruce most likely made this video thinking that most of his audience is not familiar with J Dilla.
@@Daxxxter99 Ok fair point
I think at that by the end of it WB and the narrator both agree that these subtleties are the spontaneous creation of musicians with a talant for "finding a groove". I think the valid point of the video is that these subtleties can be analyzed and understood objectively which is of interest and while a bit long winded none of his analysis is wrong imo
“I believe they call it feeling” Checks out.
This beats got some attitude
Captain Pikant video on swing is worth a watch if you want clarity/like tiny rabbits, is called "Here's what SWING/SHUFFLE really does... An easy explanation | Drum Machine 101"
that inverted gay flam swing 👌😂
dude looks like old neon
I pressed the like button. I am awaiting my autistic detailed beat analysis.
is definitely Tom McDonald
Great video, Beavis… keep it up 👍
Bro even in his own example of MJ you can hear the exact same thing, everybody doing their own thing and not strictly adhering to an absolute grid. That stuff is like basic musicianship outside of ensemble playing.
why is this video so funny
Be imperfect turn off q settings now is a bible un ok
Why do people act like lo-fi currently emulates J Dilla? It's more like ambient music with the drums shifted around randomly, dilla played out specific rhythms, with his own twist on jazz and soul music, current lofi is really more like ambient/new age music, it's not really "groovy" it's barely even hip-hop at this point, almost nothing like Dilla
Lofi is water down boom bap. I ve always felt that way
Facts shi is so annoying
most modern lofi hip hip sounds nothing like classic beats made in the 90s through early 2000s. it's hard to find new stuff that really has that old sound
Agreed. Early LoFi, when it was more boom bappish, did have somewhat of a Dillaesque feel.
Unfortunately, especially a lot of the LoFi joints from the Chillhop label, the subgenre started getting real milquetoast and saccharine sounding and don't have that Hip Hop flavor anymore.
I think a lot of folks who weren't Hip Hop connoisseurs in the first place had gotten into making LoFi and they don't have that Blues/Funk based groove style that gives Hip Hop flavor.
I used to compare LoFi HH to Jazz Fusion in the beginning. These days I compare it to Smooth Jazz.
@@apexone5502I think it isn’t a matter of the artists becoming milquetoast, I think the samples are just more artificial. The use of real samples from actual vinyl jazz and dance tracks, as in live real bands, has been replaced by artificial digital sample packs that were never played by a human. People try to add some humanizing effects by programming midi, but that’s the key to “real hip hop”. It was a bunch of people who couldn’t afford or didn’t have the skill to play an instrument, so they jacked real performances. That is the only reason it sounds “authentic” because its pulled from a real human jam session. Modern Lofi is mainly digital recreations of a hypothetical jam which never actually happened.
re upload?
weaver str8 hating on this tryhard old composer dude :D
Music nerd They ruin the fun of music
5/4 15-56 % swing
It is total bs that Dilla was the first to combine different shuffle ratios. They have been doing that for ages.
lol we litearlly make music for the sake of doing it..
dilla had no hits before he passed?
They absolutely would notate this kind of thing. It's basically a 32nd or 16th rest before the snare on the four to get that questlove beat.
Anyone else notice the audio crackling throughout the video? It’s awful
Elon's lawyers will get this one deleted too?
he just wasn't quantizing his shit right? not saying dilla wasn't a genius but still even if he had all this knowledge, he probably just wasn't quantizing
Don't need to analyze it. Instruments don't have to be placed on the line and you don't need to quantize everything
"So finally I want to turn to my own music and show you some my attempts to explore these ideas..."
Aaaand I tuned out.
Like hacking Bluegrass and finding out ways to mix it with today's electronic music....
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