How NOT to Treat Dissociative Identity Disorder [System Commentary + Reaction]
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- TW; ableist language directed at people with DID, mentions of trauma.
Also oh my god. Whenever I see videos like his that are like... speculating whether or not people have DID it always makes me super scared to upload my own stuff about it. It's like... am I gonna get torn about next? Uhuhuh boohoo. SIGH! Anywho, thanks for watching my silly epic bideo, hope it's all cool etc. Have a good day,
also if you want to see ACTUAL systems talking about their experiences to cleanse your palette from his confusing misinformation, here are some cool channels to check out:
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So the dude has since deleted the video (which, THANK you @ him) and has put out an apology via community posts. So it's all good, bro gets the message, etc. Nice one.
🙏🙏🙏🙏 the evil is defeated!!
Spoctor: "The hosts, the NORMAL side-"
Me: Oh, OH, OH NO, WE ARE NoT doing this.
One of our hosts is a cat boy. TOTALLY NORMAL!
@@TheLovelyluxrayone of ours is a shark-human man, totally normal :D
@@TheLovelyluxray Me, the only host in the system, being shapeshifter but keeps to cat ears and a tail as my primary form: Yes, yes… Whatever “normal” he’s referring to…
Great to see more non-human hosts! I'm a space dragon, my co-hosts are humans, but I'm a part that has been around much longer.
FELLOW SYSTEMS WITH NON-HUMAN HOSTS SPOTTED!!
(Tbf all of our hosts/ co-hosts being non-human isn’t at all surprising, like ligit only 8 of our 56 peoples are human lol :’P)
"are you trying to stigmatize it or not" accurate summary of that entire video
I took the person spinning as a joke. Like “this is what people expect from me when they ask me to switch” kinda thing
I just took it as "they're spinning because they're making a TikTok."
If someone filmed themselves doing a funny spin/dance/wiggle/etc while using the vacuum cleaner, nobody would take that to mean "I always dance while vacuuming," or see it as proof that they never really vacuum! Everyone would understand that it means "I dance when I'm filming myself vacuuming to put it on TikTok."
When I switch it is brutal physically and emotionally I sweat profusely, I shake, I tremble, my eyes roll back, I feel like I’m moving much slower than everyone else and people around me observe that I slur my speech and right as I switch I drop my head and kind of pass out. But when I wake up I’m confused and full of anxiety and fear.
That sounds a lot like dissociative non-epileptic seizures to me! Just because those physical manifestations are uncommon for the majority of types of switches. Thank you for sharing your experience 🙏
@@drinkssss they are still unsure. I have DID with fugue states. It’s so hard to find information about others like me.
@@TheChroniclesOfYarnia that's rough, finding a proper diagnoses is always annoying because doctors' criteria for conditions are inconsistent or overlap arbitrarily. They always figure it out eventually though, stay strong soldier!
Thats so odd,i have DID but my switches are not THIS bad🤔
HOLY SHIT thank you SO MUCH for making this video; I’m also part of a DID system and all of the attention our community has been getting from the more “mainstream” side of the media (cof*cof* commentary UA-camrs fake-claiming people on tiktok) recently makes me so utterly frustrated and so upset, it’s aways someone who doesn’t know what they’re talking about talking about touchy subjects like this, it causes so much harm it’s insane, (like cmon should you really be doing this to kids with TRAUMA BASED DISORDERS publicly)
it’s so refreshing to see content like this calling this behavior out so thank you, I’ll be subscribing to the channel
I think his biggest issue is taking things at face value and running with the crowed.
It’s easy to mock Tiktok “fakers” when the nature of DID is so hard to fully realize. Falling into a similar place as how trans people were and still are treated as a phase/fad/or trying to get attention.
The mind is far too complex to just shut down somebody just for having an interject of a youtuber they depended on to escape their trauma.
When I was younger, I was hyper critical of people claiming to be something or another. The “you’re not trans unless you feel body dysphoria” or not believing in non-binary people to begin with. (Ew.)
I didn’t believe I had ADHD, or PTSD, or that I was trans, let alone non-binary. Exposer is good and everyone needs to sit down and try to understand the people who they don’t directly understand, strangely enough the deeper you dig the more you might discover about yourself.
The video is horrible but the widespread response of systems reacting to the content is very very good for his community to see.
summed up my feelings on the matter PERFECTLY! People just gotta be compassionate, that's all it is.
I hope you know that you DO need body dysphoria to be transgender. Because if you ARE saying otherwise in this comment, you are seriously delusional and are denying reality and factual information that has been around for ages now.
-from an actual transsexual person
yeah but endogenics are just Not a system they believe you can have a trauma disorder without the traums
YOU COVERED THIS TOPIC VERY GRACEFULLY i was kinda seething the whole time yet you approached it so calmly and respectfully. 10/10
I'm pretty sure the first "point" the person talked about was about fictives? I heard about that on the DissociaDID channel. They talked about fictives and factives. I'm not sure that's how those things are spelled. But the concept sounds very reasonable to me. If alters can split into more alters, then why not be someone or something you are connected to? I empathize with that. Or maybe it's just that I cannot deny the reality.
Also fictives and factives are well documented in science
Yeah, it made sense to me too.
I often mimic characters that I find comforting or for writing purposes- both in mannerisms, mentality (as close as I think I can), and sometimes speech.
I see no reason why someone with DID can't have alters who are based on people irl or characters in fiction.
Yeah, I think a lot of "disorder trends" actually bring things to attention to people that suffer from the conditions, especially for people that suffer from dissociative disorders who usually will not know themselves they have it. The problem comes when people do not investigate their symptoms and just go with what they hear and they identify with; and people who "fake claim" others based on internet interactions and without knowing what they are talking about.
SO TRUE!!! more people talking about disorders is good actually. BEAUTIFUL comment
we didn't understand what DID was before it became more talked about online. and it even took us years after that to really realise that what we experienced wasn't "normal" and that most people didn't have the same memory issues or feelings of "disappearing and someone else is replacing me". we started mentioning some of these things to friends and they were like "what.... that's... not normal" but how tf would we know? this was our entire life so we just assumed flashbacks, "zoning out" (dissociation), forgetting major things (amnesia) or feeling like you're identity isn't stable was the norm lol. kinda funny to look back at
@@xx-sof-xx so true to us too omg
we started to realize that we "maybe have did too" when one of the bloggers we followed wrote about their experience. And we were like wait... that's sounds exactly like we what???
But we almost always understood that we had VERY bad memory and time to time tried to talk to people about it and even talked to mother, but they all answered like "yeah i have bad memory too" or "just train your memory" (hmmm....emm...) And we couldn't even explain how bad our memory is
So we had to figure this out by ourselves as usual :(
Also we often talked with alters almost all our life when we were alone. but its an another story ahah..
spoctor be like: i'm looking out for people with genuine concern uNu
also spoctor: **proceeds to demonize DID(and OSDD too), larps as a psychologist and doesn't censor anyone's @'s for the tiktok's he shows, potentially opening the floodgates to harassment for the users showcased**
as someone who has OSDD-1B and felt like his video was a genuine bastardization of the very disorder i live with(like his video applies to OSDD too, even if it focuses on DID)? i'm not shocked that he didn't consult anyone who's plural or even *remotely* clarified if his "concerned" friends even were themselves, thats like me walking into a space for people who have ADHD on this same level and painting a narrative of their community without understanding the communal culture, lingo, opinions on issues that impact them and the people who make the space what it is. had he done a video like that on a more well known disorder with this same attitude and carelessness? there'd be blood on the floor and he'd have his ass ripped ten fold, however with dissociative spaces? there's so few of us to speak out without being drowned out by singlets or outright harassed, not to mention the audience he's now harboured. a(mostly)dangerous audience full of fakeclaimers, people who larp as psychologists that insist they know everything(even trampling over the mere idea of some having different experiences than most folks)and sadly some plural folks who lick the boots of singlets for their own reasons.. it's depressing and immensely disturbing, i don't hate spoct. i'm just insanely disappointed, ontop of using screenshots from private disorder servers, dms, tumblr notes, etc. i just hope your video is able to reach a wider audience as this is good and important. good speed gamer!
Oh god. Watching this after what came out about Spoctor sure is something. This is very therapeutic to know that people with uh, rational minds are responding to that weirdos content. Love your video! ❤
I'm only almost 8 minutes in, and I have to say I absolutely love how you present this and your points. It's such a shame that people decide it's a great idea to always assume people are faking things, and I'm glad to see someone finally talk about it in a better way, rather than "Oh what's this? You have amplified symptoms? You think you have this disorder? THIS PERSON IS A PHONY!!!". I honestly love the way you also explain things, it takes me more time to process things, and the way you explained it helped me understand it more quickly. I'm also sad to hear that Spoctor would join the train wagon of fake claimers, I thought they seemed like a cool person. Plus, all of these "Fake-Disorder Cringe" videos honestly make me feel so upset and sort of trigger me (not in the term of anger, more like panic, anxiety, etc.) and make me feel invalid if I ever see something I have been diagnosed for/are in the process of seeking or getting professional help for. I should probably get back to watching this amazing video, and back to other things, but I again very much appreciate everything about the video. I'll be sure to subscribe! Have an amazing day!! (P.S; Sorry if I phrased or said anything weirdly, while English is my first language I sometimes struggle with typing or speaking it at times.)
Thanks so much, glad to hear this video was helpful! Also your English is really good, you sound like a native speaker!
Just want to say, this video actually made me feel a bit better. I'm currently looking into the possibility of me being a part of a system (though it's not something that I'm finding easy to accept), and the way you talk about it made me feel a bit more comfortable around it. Great video :)
Hey GOOD LUCK pal, stuffs hard to go through. I wish you well in your journey :^)
honestly this person probably just looked at a wikipedia article and maybe one or two youtube videos by singlets and assumed they were an expert from that
It took me forever to say something, bc im not open about it
There are parts of me that in a way are broken, but that doesnt mean im entirely worthless.
Him referring to systems and parts as broken, monstrous, and SELF DESTRUCTIVE hurt.
Most of my parts arent human, i have many personal reasons for this, but this just makes everything feel farther away.
Splitting isnt a choice, his word choices that OSDDID was a self harm decision which is fucked up.
Thank you for this video Quinn you a real one
This is a video I have wanted to see for so long after seeing so much “cringe” compilations with DID. This video is so fucking good ahhhh this was so enjoyed by all in my system, hope you’re doing well! 🎉🎉
yt recommending me a small channel? what is this, Christmas?
I know this video is like over a year old but this is one of the first times i’ve seen a system on youtube actually fully debunk one of commentary type channels videos. a lot of these types of videos spread misinformation as you said and I appreciate you guys going through and saying no this isn’t accurate :3
As a fictive heavy system, watching this months later brings us comfort, it's hard to come out at fictive heavy cause of fakeclaimers, thank you for this
As a fellow fictive heavy system, know we have your back!
Oh my god. So wr are fictive heavy too (i think with how our brain works its easier to latch onto a preexisting personalities than making up one) and ive gotten fake claimed DO many times. Even to the point of "foctive heavy systems are valid BUT YOURE STIKL FAKE" PEOPLE MAN. People
we are a small system of four "confirmed" alters and two of them are fictives of the same popular anime man. people are so weird about fictives. either they fakeclaim you or they start treating the fictive like they are literally their source and don't see them as actual, individual people. more like this novelty fun thing to "play with". one of our fictives has been told "you're nicer than expected!" dude... you've never met or even heard about *him* before. you watched an anime. the drawn character you write spicy fanfics about isn't real. this guy is just, well, a guy. idk if any of y'all relate, but it has made him feel so invisible and afraid to ever present himself to anyone we know - even in therapy to a psychiatrist
Just finished the video and man am I glad I actually stuck around even though I went in thinking spoc's video was fine. I knew about DID from DissociaDID long before the Anthony Padilla video and yet I still didn't question the kind of damaging language spoctor used and some of the things I knew where misinformation. I will say that my opinion on his video might have been influenced by me actually meeting someone who claimed to have DID in real life for the first time, around the time that video was uploaded, and them turning out to be faking (or at least their boyfriend told me they where faking it, the only real thing I saw that would lead me to that conclusion is the fact they would switch while texting but not switch in real life but I don't have much education when it comes to that specifically for me to feel comfortable saying myself that they where faking, my point is I was told they where faking and it influenced my outlook on the disorder) so I look at people who claim to have it with a lot more caution than I probably should. Definitely going to work on that... idk DIDphobia??? to make sure I don't just blindly believe someone about this kind of stuff again
All in all this was a great video! I loved it! Will definitely be checking out more from you :D
I know DissociaDID has a video about their opinion on fakeclaiming, I'd highly recommend it if you want insight on the issue and how some people with DID feel about it.
There are a few reasons a system might switch over text but not in person, or at least appear that way. When a system is around other people irl that could either ground the currently fronting alter making them less likely to switch out, or it could make them pay less attention to themselves making it harder for them to notice if they do switch. Another reason could be masking, they might switch while talking to someone and not know how to bring it up. My system has experienced all of these situations and we end up usually not saying anything when we switch in person (mostly from social anxiety and masking for us).
This was such a gem to show up on our feed. Not only does this person have relatable experiences to our own, but they're an artist and also love OneyPlays??? While none of us are exactly experts or hold intense interest in herpetology, you seem just so vastly interesting!! After I finish this video I plan on watching any of your others that interest us! Keep being awesome!!
-The Ethereal Collective
Wow, I came across your channel because I was down the trabbit hole of mental illness, and ended up watching a bunch of DID Cringe videos and I was like bro they are just living their life leave em be than I searched DID reaction videos/commentary of a person who actually has the DID disorder, like you are amazing because I suffer from Autism and just idk I feel like I finally found a youtuber who is similar to me except you are far more eloquent with your vocabulary and sentence structure than I lol.
I can feel your anxiety through the screen. I rub my knuckles together, I raise my shoulders, I get anxious trying to word myself the best way I can and be as understanding as I can 😭
"Officer Smith, why did you shoot that man"
"he was cringe"
"spoctor" has a war flashback
also on that first part: im a system member and we have a glamrock freddy fictive because when we went through a very traumatic breakup during which i lost ALL of my friends, we found markipliers security breach playthgough very comforting and glamrock freddy himself. it was very difficult for our little because she was very attached to her and she needed a new caregiver thus glamrock freddy because he was so comforting to her. no one really talks about(that ive seen) how sometimes alters form because of other alters and not the host ykwim? like i do not feel the imense comfort from freddy that she does if u get what im saying? also security breach is not comfort media for me but it is for her
Yeah, there also seems to be a particularly strong hate-boner for fictives, especially ones that come from modern media. I'm glad that your little has a buddy she loves and trusts! Every alter has different needs, and there really shouldn't be any shame around the alters that form for any reason. The same goes for multiple alters of the same introject or original part.
it's really hard for our host to accept we have DID. they're better about it now. if we were told we were faking it would take so much our of us to not have the host believe it themself again. we have non-humans, introjects, a lot of internal communication and smaller amounts of amnesia (at least for the host - part of their job is to know what's going on). we don't always present like your average DID system. thank you for this video
Hiii I have DID as well and FIRSTLY I just wanna say that you’re very good at talking. Idk if that sounds weird but like the way you speak is really captivating and your voice and personality is very soothing. Subscribed within the first few minutes, I hope you gain more popularity because you’re very talented and seem very cool, it’s nice to find someone else with DID on UA-cam hahaha
SECONDLY oh my god Spoctors video was so offensive, I know he apologized but gosh the way he talked about DID was so freaking hurtful and misinformed. I literally gasped at some parts because I had no idea someone could say something so wrong XD It’s like he doesn’t understand that the whole point with DID is that it is built in for survival and to cope with trauma, so they don’t end up “not functional in society” like Spoctor is describing…He clearly has no idea how this disorder works, and I wanna say it’s funny just from how crazy misinformed he is, but it’s not, it’s just hurtful and sad.
Anyway thank you for making this video I really enjoyed watching it despite the cringe I felt from Spoctor (especially when he started like.. describing DID? with the stupid stock images,,, woof dude…rough XD.)
thank you for making this, it's very well done
You are such a beautiful soul ❤
-A DID System diagnosed in 2018👋🏻
Just saying this in hindsight because I'm aware of more recent bullshit that Spoctor has pulled, but the dude pisses me off so much. I have autism, ADHD, depression, anxiety, and PTSD. I hate hearing someone with a massive audience of children and who does not know what he's talking about further stigmatize things like this and call people like me "broken". He once called another content creator who has DID a "broken piece of human destruction" once and used clips of her video where she spoke about how she was groomed as a child. Spoctor comes across as a genuinely abelist piece of shit (and that's if you ignore how he held onto nudes of an ex of his _who was 13 at the time_ well after he turned 18 and talked about how he was gonna keep her close so she doesn't speak out about it)
Your charisma are SO cool aaaaa
youtube just recommended this video to us and we're so happy about it aaa 🔥🔥🔥
pic with the bad and good sides HAHAAH aaa absolute gem phahahhaha
4:50 like in 2019 I was one of those "cringe 'fake' depressed" kids, but I did have depression, it is likely a lot of people were depressed in 2017 but made cringey content or did not know how to make better content, for me I am not good at making content and never was.
The way you talked about emphasizing traits for the camera that might be more subtle normally is very accurate. I appreciate that point that was being made because it's very important.
Omg i love your vibe and the way you talk about topics so much!! 😯😯
hey, fellow DID system here! that vid you reacted to hurt a lot to listen to ngl. but man, you dissected it so well. thank you for doing this
want to share something on this matter (tw: endo systems in case you guys dont like them):
we (an undiagnosed system) went to his recovery server that he promoted before this video was being produced (right after the birdie drama video uploading)
we were on our way to rediscover our system (last time all progress was lost due to tons of fakeclaiming, and a lasting impact to our system) so we joined the discord server
despite most people being really friendly, i think i remember some drama happening and it's kind of chaotic sometimes
but the most problem we have had is what the entire server thought of questioning systems (we were one at that time)
we asked that we might be a median system, and listed our symptoms to the system members (not trying to get a diagnosis from them, just trying to ask if their symptoms resonates with ours) and then some of the other systems (or maybe there are even singlets, i am not sure) said that median systems arent a thing because of that term being originated from endogenic systems and they are pretty anti-endo (the closest medical term would be osdd-1a, even though in some cases did and osdd systems could be also considered median), so we asked we could use pluralkit in the server (as what i remember, memory might serve me wrong) for now, but they said you cant unless you have a diagnosis.
this makes the headmate that was doing this at that period really paranoid and added a *lot* of fakeclaiming tendencies to them that lasts to today which is not even good. pluralkit is a open and public resource to use, and we for the moment and even now have 0 resources to get a diagnosis. even if the person that is speculating that they have something is wrong, that wouldnt even be harmful as long as they do the proper research, which is what we did. but back then the mod crew of the server seems to have 0 regards of the fact that someone might not be able to get a diagnosis at all.
in case my memory serves me wrong and they actually didnt say we cant use pluralkit, what the people and the mods there worded in their rules feels like even quesitoning systems cant use pluralkit at all and in my opinion now reflecting all of this, this feels.. pretty anti- recovery to be honest.
(continuing from the last part)
then spoctor released that weird af video despite being a singlet and all, with no experiences himself. but despite a lot of things being wrong in that video (such as borderline saying introjects dont exist), a ton of systems in that server still show support to him for some reason despite themselves being systems, and we felt really bad as he basically just says questioning systems (which involves some form of self diagnosing even though we didnt self diagnose ourselves until actually medical opinion) arent really valid and you just jump from a singlet to plural when your therapist or psychologist gives you the holy mentally ill diagnosis emblem™. the idea of it just felt extremely absurd to us, since we already displayed some forms of dissasociation for an extremely long period of our lives.
needless to say we immediately left the server afterwards despite meeting some really cool people, but overall that server only hindered our recovery if anything, which is pretty ironic, considering that entire server was supposed to "help trauma survivors"
@@znacczlipper A reminder that it is illegal for any non-doctor to ask you for your medical records like that (your diagnosises ARE a medical record.)
After uncovering my therianthropy and having visions of a sort of caretaker figure, I've kinda been in the process of figuring out if this is something that stems from DID. This video is a really good representation of how the views of a neurotypical lead disordered individuals to question how real their disorder is, and has lead me to be more firm with my BPD diagnosis. Really, I should consult a legitimate professional but I've been through so much therapy and a laundry list of meds and I feel like I'm finally developing a solidified identity. Not to mention the adhd, autism, generalized anxiety and major depression on top of my borderline. Plus the language of "splitting" being shared on top of all the other overlap just makes things even more confusing. And I understand that labels are just labels but its important to figure out how to represent how you feel accurately, and I absolutely don't want to feel like I'm lying to myself and end up misrepresenting did. There are so many little different details that make up a disordered mind, Like for example my fear of abandonment, unstable relationships, and intense emotionial shifts are what really differentiate things but simultaneusly add to the confusion. All in all, super important video.
Also, in regards to the tree metaphor, bpd feels more like a plate being shattered and glued back together rather than a tree
And shoutout to the dog discord server awawawa
Very late to comment on this specific situation, but I want to preface something:
Upon spoctors videos release, the funny thing that happened was that fakeclaimer communities such as the subreddits r/didcringe and r/fakerscringe (I think that’s the name? Not entirely sure) and the discords increased in even more activity. I used to frequent some internet communities, but these sorts of group make it very difficult to be open about your situation and personal everyday life. Because everything is being picked at, “too many switches”, “too little”, “such a fad” ect. Being someone who was often these communities punching bags (literally, many users would stalk my profiles to mock me and harass what I say), I started to see these communities use spoctors video, because it sided with their blind/tunnel vision thoughts and ideals. His video was so poorly researched, but these people insisted they were “pure fact”. It made the harassment so much worse because now they have a face of a big content creator that aligned with their hate, I had to scrub all the accounts they found and change the usernames of the ones they didn’t yet, erasing everything having to do with what I am and my very experiences.
Even when his video finally was deleted, it gave people so much ammo and weaponry, it gave people even more confidence in being blatantly horrible to others because of the attitude of “saviorism” of the concept of fakeclaiming.
I really hope the people in these spaces and groups grow to be better people, and don’t focus in being so hateful of others because they cannot understand what is happening to these people they talk about on a psychological level, i really do. I didn’t appreciate the harassment and stalking I faced, but I still hold out that these people can move on and have more open and accepting minds.
Thank you and other systems for educating people! I swear at first I thought the video was a good portrayal on how DID works and such but now I see that I was wrong. Great video you guys!
Its extremely hard to tell the difference between someone faking and when someone who has symptoms of did. So fake claiming doesn't really help to be honest. Sometimes isn't easier but if you haven't done proper research (talking to people who have did, watching interviews reading the dcm 5) then I honestly think people who do content like spoctor shouldn't make a video about it. Because they could be sending a ton of unnecessary hate to people in their vidoes, hence making things worse.
I have a partner that actually show signs of did and it's so much more complicated then people make it out to be.
Yeah, I saw a lot of professionally diagnosed people get lumped into those "fake disorder cringe" compilations.
Wow. Honestly you are a better person than me. I wouldve blown up reacting to his video. But you handled it so maturely n relatively calm. 👏🏻
I watched the Split and Moon Knight cinema therapy videos, and i got recommended this. I don't have DID, but I learned so much watching this video. If I've learned anything, it's that there's no one way or set of ways that DID will manifest, that it's not a state of brokenness, and that the best source is always first person in discussions about DID.
i think the little spin was just them messing around and making a joke especially since they didnt seem to be expecting to be seen by singlets
my god, i forgot how awful Spoctor's video was. also i know this is an older video, but it's really well put together, i like the editing in this and you convey your thoughts very well
I used to be a fan of spoctor a few years ago but jesus, as a system, seeing his video has lost any trust I previously had for his content. Absolutely not. This is the reason I hate when singlets talk about DID like they know anything.
Hiiii I love the video. I have a question. Does the number of Alters depend on the severity of the childhood trauma, and at what age the pt is diagnosed with DID. My best friend's grandson has gone through trauma before the age of 5, and he is showing signs of Alters. I mentioned to her that there is a possibility that he has DID. She did notice that he switches to an Alter some are nice and others are not. I advised her that she should mention it to his therapist so they can observe and give a diagnosis. He's 8 y/o and I know that he may be rather too young to get a DID diagnosis or I could be wrong. Please let me know if I'm wrong, I like to educate myself. My son is 28 and he has Autism oh boy he makes life absolutely bonkers, and I still love him.
The number of alters does not depend on the severity of trauma, as severity is not something that can be measured! My best advice would be to be there and be open with the kid you think is developing DID. The #1 thing that makes childhood trauma the worst is having unstable relationships with your primary caregivers. So as long as you’re open and a supportive presence in their life, things will be ok! Good luck
@@drinkssss thank you
17:18 it's hilarious because remember when Spoctor had his discord cringe on blast? Glass houses is all I'm sayin'...
you sound so sensible its refreshing ^^
Great video. I would like to see more like this
Offtopic but you look like wendigoon with a baby face to me /pos
this is my first time watching your content and i love this, Imma sub to you. Hyped for your future content man!
Thank you for your take, and for not jumping on the dissociadid hate train. I really respect them and their work and it was difficult for me to watch the way they’ve been treated, simply for trying to make the world a safer and more comfortable place for people with did. I think it’s fair to say that they’ve been through enough.
I enjoy getting to see an autistic perspective on did as well, haven’t come across much of that but I’d definitely be interested in hearing more from you. Thank you for sharing your experience.
Thing that you said streamer parasocial relationship. You are like that 👍. You are now my favorite now.
Dissociation = self preservation, NOT destructive.
Schizospec system, just saying I love seeing your content, we don't spend a lot of time in DID social circles so I didn't really get a lot of the terms, but still good work!
Good video mate We have DID and yes we need good info on this subject
Great content and insight in your video 😊.
Personally I feel that people are assigning 'identities' to expressions of 'identities'. Hope that makes sense. So lets take a crystal identity. One of the true 'identity expressions' say a child alter, is drawn to crystals. She/he/they/them etc, resonate with crystal energy. There is then an assigning to that expression of that, an identity. So they become then a crystal identity.
They are then classed as fictitious but actually they are just expressions of resonance with something from an inner child identity? I feel like basically that expressions of identities are being broken down and given identities of their own so to speak. It could simply be a way of making sense of a persons inner world?
Does it mean they dont have DID? No.
It's just their way of organising the way each alter expresses??? I'm just putting a perspective out there.
However there also seems to be alters that do want fame and recognition etc and may actively manipulate in order to get that.
Does that mean they don't have DID? No.
It is just another way their disorganised fragmented consciousness is expressing itself. This can be seen to others as 'fake'. These identities have an inbuilt need/desire to survive at all costs, thats what created the disorder in the first place, so maybe not mistake a manipulation from an identity in any way as a 'fake' because there's absolutely no way we can know.
People seem to forget the actual premis of this disorder, these alters express in the way they believe they can survive, have acceptance and validation, connection etc. Also... and this is important, you cannot judge a SYSTEM on its own because for most people they have no control over the expression of an alter!
So if you say Dissociadid for example (and I only use their system as an example given the current accusations), is faking, who are you referring to? Who is Dissocidid? Well good luck being arrogant enough to know that little conundrum for sure 😂.
I actually dont believe the Psychiatric world wil EVER truly understand this disorder and its expression. I have DID and we struggle to understand it ourselves and we live it!!
There is the basic premise of development of the disorder sure, and the diagnostic tools used to recognise and diagnose sure,... but I do not believe we will ever be able to box or conceptualise or EVER pinpoint as a certainty... the expression of it in each individual. Way, way too complex and way, way too many variables involved. We dont even understand totally or even close to that of how the brain works and what consciousness truly is so how can we possibly judge anything really in the crazy interesting challenging world of disociative disorders.
Disorganised, detached and disconnected consciousness, thats what a system is, and what DID is basically in my understanding of it. That's why if 'fusion' can be achieved then there is a resemblance of expression that resembles so called 'normal' people, if there is such a thing. Lets call it percieved, accepted normally functioning people 😂😂.
This concept of 'hosts' another aspect of this disorder which is missunderstood and fluid and I'm not sure if a true 'host' can be pinpointed either, jury is still out for us on that 😄. I really like your broken plate analogy. That resonates to me as a great way to look at it.
I could go on and on about all the great points you make here but people can just watch it 😁.
PS.. many of my alters spin me 😂😂. Children love to spin...
Interesting take here! I definitely agree that the idea of "identity" in and of itself is nebulous and arbitrary, since one's identity (DID or not) is nebulous and arbitrary. Very cool perspective, thank you for sharing 🤔
The part where he related structural dissociation to alcoholism… Jesus Christ
forreal, i have a fictional introject of Star Butterfly from that 1 tv show and she literally runs interference & plans our routine for the whole system, like a scribe.
27:24 my thought is that dissociation is a form of self preservation, came back because I love your talking points.
I feel like he would think "split" is good representation
Ya know a couple months ago i wondered how someone could have a whole buncha alters in a system so i posted abt it on twitter
One of my mutuals responded to the post telling me to mind my business and called me an ableist asshole so,
Ty for explaining what they wouldnt LMAO
I think some DIDs aren't a reflection of any person, they can be coping mechanisms.
I regret finding the video via way back machine.
The problem is, whether they are faking or really think they have it, or trying to cope with real symptoms they are experiencing, they are putting out faulty information. This harms people living with any type of dissociation, whether it’s a symptom or a disorder.
I don’t have a DID diagnosis though it was suggested as something I may want to pursue one day. I didn’t have many symptoms at the time but it frequently doesn’t fully manifest until you are in your late 20s or early 30s, and I experience a lot more symptoms now. My official diagnosis was CPTSD with dissociation. I had fugue stages in high stress but now I will have issues in low to moderate stress situations. Sometimes I’ll have a random blank out and not know what I was doing in a completely neutral day. I don’t introduce myself with a different name but sometimes I’ll develop a New York accent. I do not enjoy my dissociation and if I do get a diagnosis I hope to fully integrate because I would like to have as few mental health issues as possible, for my own well being. It’s difficult to not remember what you were doing, lose things because for some reason your phone ended up in the freezer, or meet someone you met yesterday who you don’t remember. I hate that I cannot remember a whole two year stretch in my life. I don’t like that I’ve blanked out for very important meetings. It sucks, and painting it as fun may help people cope, but it just made me think that I don’t have it until I met someone recently who’s diagnosed and has very similar symptoms.
Untreated mental illnesses is always self destructive at times. It has to negatively impact your life to get diagnosed. If you are dissociating and it isn’t harming you, then it’s likely a symptom of something else.
If they made disclaimers like ‘I’m not diagnosed yet but I do experience these symptoms. I don’t know if I have trauma, because of the memory issues. Switches look different for everyone and often go undetected so this is a dramatization for entertainment and clarity.’ That would be so much better. I wish everyone had access to help and this is a whole conversation many mental health advocates are missing, because I don’t know anyone with any diagnosis who doesn’t want or receive care with it.
A compilation of me reacting to things that are probably not that important but I reacted anyways:
I'M SORRY DO YOU NOT KNOW ANGEL DUST'S LORE???? "WHAT TRAUMA"?! "WHAT TRAUMA"!?
In an exhausted voice: just because someone is a singlet doesn't mean they're mentality stable.
Wait what, private? Where did they get that
Oh my, Oliver found you
Maybe they were retelling a moment when that happened and spun for comedic exaggeration- I don't think that deja vu song to wet fart sound was playing when it happened irl.
Trust is definitely needed. I'm a singlet, I don't have any disorder (to my knowledge), I don't know this person's life. All I can really do is trust they're telling the truth
I had heard about "autopilot"- with the body still around, maybe doing something, but nobody's fronting atm.
I mean, it can be a fade. Also not everybody experiences things the same way.
Stickler for the "rules"?
Yeah why are we going after those with a trauma disorder- children with a trauma disorder at that
is he trying to compare DID to alcoholism-itstksbeNORMAL SIDE???
Closest I can think of a """""normal side"""""" is a Core, but- wtf is a "normal side"?????
Oh God is he about to go after Persecutors
A tree has various parts but they're still a dang tree
I've met systems- they're lovely, how dare you demonize them and say they're all self destructive.
"Can't make normal friends"?? Okay this is even more personal than it already was.
Also what is "normal"? What's normal to you isn't normal to others.
Don't demonize medication please
I'm someone who uses all pronouns, but I don't believe they're using "it" in a positive way- more like they're trying to dehumanize those with DID. Bad.
"Hopless case".... (Just lies down for a minute)
"Normal individuals"
Jeez that vid is, wow. Please don't demonize DID and attack people- especially children.
OH NO FLUTTERING EYES THE HORROR 😱😱😱
MMMM SPLIT. I did a whole essay on how destructive that movie is (consulted with a system and watched CinemaTherapy's video on it to gain a therapist's view as well as many other systems' view).
As said before, I've met systems and so far they've all been lovely. Is it chaotic? Obviously, it's a group effort. Does that mean it is hopeless? No!
Since we've gone to gender, I'm genderqueer and genderfluid; but you're not gonna know that unless I tell you. You can't read my mind, you don't know me or my life.
No! No! Don't you dare go after the fictives! Don't go after any alter but right now we're talking 'bout fictives, so don't you DARE claim someone is faking because they have fictives!
With absolutely every system creator we follow, the biggest red flag with a creator is if they cannot fathom to think below popularity or basic sense.
Angel Dust? The media takes concepts like redemption, religion, abuse, death, intense topics and mature topics. Very much easy to understand how a DID/OSDD system who might have trauma relating to these things (specifically religion) can latch on to hasbin hotel. Angel Dust is a character that to our knowledge is struggling with redeeming himself, keeping true to goals, disappointing others, damning himself, relapse, etc. Very relatable and extremely in depth things systems who struggle with healing and stuff. Literally everytime we see someone fake claiming a system for being fictive heavy, having fictives in general, or anything, we think they just do actually know how the brain works nor how fandoms and stories can portray deep meanings.
This. We latch onto Pokémon characters a lot and therefore have a couple fictives, particularly of the villains. I don't think a lot of people understand how "deep" Pokémon can be.
There's a character who has been hinted at to have been mistreated as a child and he now thinks all emotions are terrible to the point of wanting a whole new universe without them. A fictive of him is our main protector and it makes a lot of sense why we or any other traumatized person would relate to him 😅
as someone else who is a diagnosed system !!! i really appreciate your explanation and i think its very thorough and effective
i love u and ur valid
Im almost certain the lil spin tiktok was a joke in the sense of "what people expect when they ask us to switch" kind of
25:58 hi, OSDD from BPD here to educate what he means (hes still wrong dont worry, thats not at all what i mean!) im sure you're aware of this but alters used to be called emotional and normal parts, but as we advanced so did the language, and its very outdated. however, it has been picked back up in regards to structual dissociation. structrual dissociation is NOT DID, and they don't have alters. similarly to DID, to develop BPD you have to experience trauma. a big piece of BPD is having a fragmented personality, and because of this, some people may also develop secondary structural dissociation due to a fractured personality that doesn't form. They arent alters because they never fully split nor did they form as their own consciousness. theyre referred to as apparently normal parts, and emotional parts. the apparently normal part, by comparison, would be the host; while the emotional parts would be similar to an alter. unlike DID you can't reform the fractured personality the way you can merge alters.
as you can tell, though, this has 0 relevance to DID. struvctual dissociation occurs with extreme CPTSD and BPD, along with OSDD. its theorized to be on the OSDD spectrum but nothing is conclusive.
the communities (structual dissociations) hope is for research to expand enough one day to redefine our terms because its not only confusing (because it commonly gets confused with both DID and regular dissociation linked to PTSD, anxiety, and trauma) but also because the terminology is just outdated. theres no need to reuse it for us ykwim?
@@AlyssaPerrine YES THANK YOU I've heard talk of "apparently normal parts" and "emotional parts" but never fully understood those terms. Thank you for defining it in a more understandable way!
I'm only half way through but the way my system presents is very covert. My switches were hard to even identify to myself, let alone for other people. Our switches are pretty much always a slow fade out/fade in, that's literally why we never notice them. We only are able to snap between alters if we're really freaked out or we make it happen.
I hate how people just... assume all of us are going to have the same brain processes for each system. If humans have so much variation, why is that suddenly not the case with systems?
HOST BEING THE NORMAL SIDE?? We've had emotional parts as hosts????? Be fucking serious
We realized we were a system in 2018, way before we even knew about TikTok and/or used it and such
4:45 that does sound like fake-claiming and I do not think it is right to pry into other people's trauma, they may come to the conclusion by misinformation bur that a) doesn't mean they don't have it B) they could have comorbid disorders and c) if they don't have it then that is not a big deal and they should still be respected.
Also, I don't like claiming people have factitious disorder
Liking and commenting so this gets to the algorithm as i think this is important information
hi
i at least know i have osdd-3/osdd-4 at the moment (i'm a questioning system, also having osdd-2, 3, or 4 does NOT make you a system, having did/osdd-1 does) and i or we'd like to say thank you so much for making this video
its hard to say "hey, i have osdd" or whatever without people going "oh, you're not a real system" when osdd isnt just being a system
plus as someone who does have symptoms of did (headaches, amnesia, different states of "personalities") its hard to explain these without someone either going "omg ur a system? let me talk to one of ur alters" or "stop faking!!! grrr!" when you dont know if we're faking or not
Yall weren't ready for his based take
"minority points" lmao, as if anyone EVER gets positive attention for genuinely struggling with the stigmas associated with their mental health
youre a Genius dude
Also alters are also like spirit guides, too and we have an alter, if not more and as guides, in the form of anime characters and animals and pokemon and digimon, from when we were a child and also did their voices a lot, and we don't have memory loss or really switch, the way #DID people do?
School was also our trauma, too?
Everyone?
We also were told to spin left and right, ar 12 and dissocated and didn't know which was which and in brain fog?
We also dissociated in things we didn't understand and had no interest in what we didn't know?
Like #channeling you have to ask the souls, one at a time please?
10:45 TRUE!! like, don't technically all children before age ~7 have a dissociative personality bc their brain still growing? people with DID just didn't integrate their personality yet - and WOW SHOCK, turns out that harassing someone for having trauma ISN'T conducive to integrating!!! turns out that just traumatises them further!!! oh, what's that, harpy? you know that, because ur SO SMORT, and ur actually doing this on purpose because you feel superior and absolutely MUST tear other people down to feel good about yourself?? huh. well, yeah, Collective knows that already :^)
much love, drinkssss
Think he was trying to say that also alchohol is used to "swallow" down suffering and could bring out all that is suppressed and as if a different person, inside the body? Like and alter and why also called "spirits", like "possession"?
I think you're reading a LITTLE too much into it. He was more so comparing the self destructive nature of alcoholism to coping via dissociation.
I am the host of a DID system and we don't switch often, but when we do, there will often times be at least 30s-1minute before someone else fronts, the guy you're reacting to is spouting some bs when it comes to switching. PS.(Who else here talks to the others in headspace before switching?)
I don't have DID and I don't think I know anyone who has it, but this is fucking interesting learn about. Humans are pretty interesting. I like (some) humans. Why do I sound like an alien? I swear I'm not an alien.
25:24 so for the video has been great but I do want to say as someone with PTSD I will describe myself as damaged and broken so I wouldn't criticize spoc's wording too much here
That's perfectly fine and good when it comes to self-descriptors, but labelling an entire group of people as something with a derogatory connotation (such as damaged or broken) is very different. Like, someone calling themself a dumbass is completely different from someone calling YOU that- or worse, calling YOU a dumbass specifically for your, for instance, neurodivergency. It might not have the same punch as saying someone is a completely "broken person", but it's still pretty fucked up to call an entire group of people that. ESPECIALLY when there are years and years of medical malpractice that side with them. Like, referring to mentally ill people as "broken" or "damaged" has been a staple in the demonization of such. You can call yourself that if you're comfortable, there's no problem with that, but when someone starts calling OTHER people that too... it becomes more of a problem.
@@drinkssss I didn't even think about it from that angle lmao but yeah it definitely is wrong to label a whole group of people broken even if some people in that group feel that way
BRUH U HAVE WAY 2 LITTLE SUBS
Spoctors vid is triggering for me so I'm not gonna watch but !! Thank you for covering!! More people need to know that fakeclaiming is damaging for all systems!! I appreciate you reacting !!
19:57 could be that they were demonstrating that switches can be really hard to spot or happen in a few seconds for them? I mean faking a switch does not mean that they don't experience switches, just could be a way of making content to appeal to a bigger audience.
Does anyone know what ppl with did, bpd and add really crave
Scrambled to the comments 🥺🥺 instant subscription
I am a bit late to this, but if its ok, can anyone give me trustworthy informative people who talk about DID? Maybe even autism, i am trying to learn but i can't tell who is reliable and who isn't.
im not sure where to go myself but if there's one place that we should all avoid its r/fakedisordercringe
I'm so sorry but dis boy is so cute like I can't get over it 😭 so off topic sorry
lol
Every single time I watch one of those "proof dissociadid is a liar" videos...its just the same few little "inconsistencies" shown in different ways or people still trying to drag them down for past mistakes that they've already apologised for years ago. It's tedious. Just leave them alone if you don't like them. You never know who's being 100% authentic online really 🤷♀️
SO REAL!!! My thoughts exactly. Like, those inconsistencies shouldn’t be used to negate all of the wonderful stuff they’ve done to educate folks on dissociative disorders whatsoever
why do you look like connorthewaffle?
With peace and love, if you have been diagnosed with every trendy disorder in the past ten years at the height of the trend, including DID--have you considered that you may just be susceptible to suggestion?
2:51 It does not have to be severe trauma
Literally stopped watching when you started going off about how people were faking depression which is super common and a real problem 🤦♀️ weird way to gatekeep mental health.
Wasn't that the part where they were talking about how disorders were seen as fads during specific peridos of times and yet that's also when they realized they might have those disorders? Pretty sure it wasn't brought up to gatekeep anything.
You clearly werent listening. They said OTHERS treated it like that, and were saying that.
I normally just watch your reptile stuff, but am interested in psychology. I'm completely ignorant on the tiktok side of all of this though (because I'm old). I watched your video and his, and I think there's a lot more nuance to his video that you might have missed in your anger/disappointment. You make some good points as well though. He does pull up random content/conversations that seems unrelated. Maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle.
I feel like, 10ish years ago, on deviantArt and Tumblr, a lot of this was expressed as OCs and roleplaying in people who were uncomfortable with being themselves (for a wide range of reasons, can be abuse, can be gay or trans people not able to show their true selves irl yet, bullying, just general awkward young adult stuff etc.) and now it's become more internalized in the younger generation, where what used to be OCs that are used to express aspects of oneself that you can't express irl are seen as these alters instead? There was also a huge amount of catfishing back then, because it was a way to feel like you could be someone else for a while. Maybe this and the more classic "extreme trauma in early childhood" induced DID are both valid, but two separate things? Correct me if I'm wrong though, always happy to learn!
Hmmm, interesting perspective. I see what you mean for sure, there definitely are people likely co-opting DID when what they’re doing is making OCs or different sonas or the like. However, my main point was that due to the many, many different ways DID, OSDD-1B, and OSDD-1A appears throughout affected populations, there is genuinely no way of knowing: therefore it’s better to leave the kids claiming they have it alone to figure it out for themselves, lest we risk bullying people who do have it under false pretenses. Though you’re right in there likely was Some Sort of nuance in his video that was difficult for me to find through my frustration haha.
@@drinkssss Oh yeah for sure! None of them should be bullied. Even if someone is just "faking having a disorder for the attention" as some people would say, that means there's likely quite a lot going on with them that they'd feel that they need to go through extremes like that for attention. Especially if it's a kid. Although I think very few people actually even do that. I think to them that is a real experience regardless, and like you said, they need to figure out what their truth is as they grow up. If mental health care is available to them, that would likely be a good option. And if it's not, it is good that people have so many more resources online now to figure things out on their own until they can get help! When I was growing up, I just knew I was "weird" and bad at making friends, but I had no idea why haha. Turns out it was autism.
you clearly didn't do research on DissociaDID lmao
also it's nothing wrong in saying ppl with DID are mentally unstable lol if we was, we wouldn't have all these personalities 😂
also you're saying things and you are not linking to any research or where you got this information from
perhaps present your own findings. the burden of proof and all that.
@@dyzior5799 the thing is that they arent mentally unstable. it's only unstable if the condition is detrimental to your life. it's a built in coping mechanism, not an unpredictable fire set off in your frontal lobe. the bigger (and more accurate) thing to say would be to mention that *Singlets* can still be highly fucking unstable. im sure you can be if you have this attitude lol
@@colorblockpoprocks6973people with DID are unstable and the condition is detrimental. Source: the dsm-v, any diagnostic manual even, literally the definition of DID.
I agree with you on the part of people need to stop judging those saying they have dissociative identity disorder but I don't agree with dissociaDID. On one of their videos, they were saying how they didn't believe another youtuber didn't have it based on one video she made! Just like they don't want others to disbelieve them maybe they should stop judging another in cyber world who they have never met! I have it too and have had so much sexual and physical abuse since I was a toddler and they don't know me so I really wouldn't care if they didn't believe me cause I wasn't just like them! Not every case is the same! They don't know nothing as far as that is concerned! It's really ridiculous to even claim that, really turned me off to the entire channel them and others I have seen bully this one channel and I don't like bullies cause I was bullied as a teen which retraumatized me!! Just cause someone can't bring out an alter on command doesn't even mean they don't have it! It's dissociative identity disorder simply because you're dissociated from aspects of yourself! Not only do I have experience with it personally because I have it but yes I have researched so much since I was a kid because a part of me always felt I had it! I felt so different from others and like parts of me would come and go, would have memory lapses and be very one way at one time and another way at another time! I didn't have any diagnosis and still Need therapy for this. I only went through psychotherapy where I talked and play therapy as a child and was hospitalized 4 times for suicide! I have a male and a suicidal one, an exhibitionist, a few children, a caretaker and an anorexic! Those are the few I just feel in me! I probably have so many more. I was raped multiple times in my adult years and went through a lot in my Pre teen years but only Remember hiding in the bathroom! Their was a lot of secrecy in my gradeschool years where I wish I could remember but the only times I can come close to remembering is when I am drunk and in a night club with acid style music cause I think that's what my brothers had at parties but I can't remember that 100%!! It sucks mostly because even the good memories are completely gone! Big chunks even not long ago when I was dating memories are gone! I told my ex boyfriend in an email I loved how he fed me & now later think, wtf was that about? I can't even remember him feeding me! And why would I have emailed him something like that! The way we talked was also so off cause I can't ever remember how I was! I changed so much throughout my life that I never remember anything and everytime I move on to the next stage of life, I forget the past one and everyone in it! It's like I was never that way and was always this way! It's my lack of identity! I had serious issues in self! I never understood who I was and envy those who do remember! If you can remember your life and those you love, you're just so lucky! In past therapy I have been told that I don't need to remember but I think in order to get stronger I should be able to stay in a bad experience or memory and still be mindful of myself and my life! Whenever my memories leave, I lose my gifts too. When I was little I had a real photographic memory! That part of me left when I was removed from my mother's care and I never got it back. Also one of my alters had a much better penmanship! My penmanship now sucks but in high-school I was amazing! I miss some of their gifts and them! But great video! I think it's important to raise awareness and speak up for the misinformation out their! I always speak up for those who can't, always will! 💯