Where I live in TX, we have what is called the 51% rule that says that if an establishment earns 51% of its revenue from alcohol sales, carrying is prohibited. I can argue that is unconstitutuonal as well but it's a lot better than what this man just experienced in CA. Also, the alcohol limit for legally carrying is the same as for legally driving. This is yet another example of CA going out of it way to prevent people from protecting themselves, the Constitution and public safety be damned.
We need to put in place a law where if an establishment wants to remove your right to protect yourself, then they take on the legal responsibility to protect you. This way if something happens, you or your family can sue the establishment for not having adequate security to remove someones rights. There should also be an expectation that everyone is armed and their rights continue up until they enter your establishment. This would me they will need the adequate security to store your weapon while your rights are being violated. Put all the cost on the gun free zones instead of on the responsible citizen.
But then you are infringing on the rights of a owners private property. I support the right to carry but I also value my right to not allow anyone to carry on my property.
Well, apparently, people on the left can even sue if they are "in the presence" of a "mass shooting". So everybody in that establishment shouldbsue the AG and the governor and the mayor and anyone else they feel restricted their rights
I live on the Washington/Oregon border and no longer follow CCW rules when crossing state lines because keeping my family safe is far more important than being a good boy and following unconstitutional laws. Luckily it was only a smash and grab experience for me that opened my eyes. Being a victim once, I proudly break those CCW border laws now...
I am a former USMC combat veteran in Vietnam and have CCWs in 44 states except California where I live I have competed all the legal requirements and have been waiting over one year for LASD to interview me. So I’m not allowed to protect myself or my family or fellow citizens just as this Marine could not do because of The California State regulations.
Here in Texas, I never leave home without my sidearm. Even before open carry, I still carried it with me. It's sad what this Country is becoming because of the people who just do not understand the importance of carrying for the sole purpose of protecting innocent lives. I do not need a document nor any other man, to tell me that I have the right to protect my family's gift of life. Semper Fi.
I am not sure how you were able to obtain CCW's in 44 states, but would love info on that. I have PA and Florida and have looked into what other states would give me more reciprocity and there are none.
I actually got denied my CCW in Placer County. Before I tell you their "reasoning", I'll tell you what I think they denied me based on. I believe I was denied because I wore a beanie to the interview (my hair gets in my eyes, surviving transplant patient and I've worn one since, shouldn't even matter!), as well as the fact that I'm a security guard. Cops hate security guards, we all know this. They just hate them and it's a fact. They also hate poor people. Now here is their reason. They supposedly denied me because they "felt", yes "felt" like I was lying about why I was suspended from my job. I told them at the time I didn't know, which was true. Nor did I care to find out. My job emailed the suspension to me, and I was over that job, so I didn't care. He told me to give him my best guess, so I told him disagreements with a supervisor. That was true. I offered to look at the email while in the interview and show him, which he declined! That's how I know it's all bs.
Carry anyway. You have no duty to obey unconstitutional laws. In fact, having sworn the oath, you have a duty to uphold and defend the Constitution, so bearing arms the way we were meant to can be argued to be part of that.
Years ago, a woman was eating with her parents at a cafeteria in Killeen Texas. Nutcase starts shooting up the place, and the woman had a gun, but it was in her car accordance with the law at the time. Both her parents were killed at that Lubys, and this woman's efforts with the Legislature eventually led to changes in CCW statewide.
I remember that. She wasn't allowed to carry where they were for some reason, and if she did anyway she risked losing some sort of professional license (I think she was a doctor or chiropractor). Worst part is the scum bag ran into the bathroom and offed himself when police arrived. Society didn't get the comfort of the system stopping him.
My son worked at Kennywood amusement park with a no weapons policy posted and patrons were searched at the gate…..gang members snuck a firearm behind one of the perimeter fences and a huge shootout occurred. Fortunately he was not at work that day! It is a shame that the most violent occurrences take place in these “no firearms policy” types of places.
Yeah, that's why I won't go places where I have to go through a metal detector. Criminals find ways around security and don't obey laws, so why should I be a sitting duck?
Rule of thumb, if I'm not legally able to carry somewhere, I simply dont go. If there's a sign on the business restricting my rights I spend my money elsewhere. Stay strapped, stay frosty, stay dangerous!
@The_Mission445 there is no such thing as an accidental discharge, only a negligent one. Since you have to break all the rules of gun safety to have one.
@The_Mission445 I've carried a glock for years and have never shot myself or had it go off while bending over.... so that argument doesnt work. Guns do not just go off by themselves. Biggest rule with that one is booger hook off the bang button.
Thank you for bringing this topic up. These"stupid" limitations are making law abiding citizens less safe and criminals will break/ignore any law or policy anyway.
Not a limitation because you don't have to listen to it lol policy is nothing more than a suggestion 🤷🏻♂️ you don't have to follow policy.. you do have to follow law though
@adamschrader328 now we are getting somewhere. Remember. These laws only pertain to us low and middle class people. They don't pertain to members of congress and govt. And that's the entire problem at hand. We love In a society where we lost our republic. We, the people, now serve the government. It used to be the other way around...but that's what happens when an entity gains too much power, as told by essentially every founding father, over and over again. The history books are wrought with repetition.
And this is also why I don't go to gun free zones. It's a meal ticket for a criminal. I generally don't even like to be out in public places that accommodate large crowds. Situational awareness is everything to me. It's the world we live in. God bless and be safe, everyone.
Exactly correct. It would then assume that if you were at home, had 2 drinks, had a break in with a deadly threat, and defended yourself, it would be right away assumed that you are in the wrong because of alcohol in the system. Ludicrous.
@@PrimericanIdol Agreed. In my state, there is no limitation on carrying into a bar. There is however a legal limit on carrying while "intoxicated". If you are too drunk to drive, (.08) you are too drunk to be in possession of a firearm. Man must know his limitations.
The point being made around the 8:30 mark is so important. My wife and I go out, and she will ask me, "Hey are you going to get a beer or something?" If I say "No", she automatically assumes it's because I'm carrying. Most of the time she is right. However, I leave it at home, or locked in the car, ya sure I will have a drink. Why not? For me going out, I'd MUCH rather choose to be armed than I would choose to have a drink. Both of those decisions are net-positive decisions for me and everyone else around us.
If I am going to drink I stay home , its cheaper , no chance of DUI , and you can't get in a bar fight if you stay out of the bar . I live in Texas and though we dont have too many crazy gun laws ...the law that left this man unarmed in California ..Is also in Texas .......Texas law restricts the carry of firearms at places that sell alcohol. Bars that make more than half of their sales from alcohol ...So it's in Texas too The restriction on carrying a firearm in bars in Texas doesn’t just refer to traditional bars. It also applies to an establishment that earns more than half of its revenue from alcohol-related sales and consumption. In Texas, this is known as the 51 percent rule. In other words, the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission considers an establishment a “bar” if it makes 51 percent of its income/revenue from the sale of alcoholic beverages. It’s obvious that a bar is a place where most or all of the revenue comes from alcohol consumption. However, it can be difficult to clearly tell if a restaurant that also serves a full menu of food and nonalcoholic options is also a place where a firearm can’t be carried. This is why bars and restaurants in Texas display “51 percent” signs. These highly visible signs include “51 percent” in large red letters to further increase clarity. If you do carry a firearm into a bar or restaurant with a clearly displayed 51 percent sign, you could face some serious legal consequences. According to uslawshield.com, carrying a firearm into any establishment considered a “51 percent” place of business could result in fines of up to $10,000 and up to 10 years in prison.
@@nickabel8279 It's not about THINKING I can't mix the two. Obviously a single drink will not impair most people. However, it's that mixing alcohol and carrying is a quick and sure way to lose your CCW privileges. So I don't mix the two - simple as that. To me it's not worth the risk.
I saw a guy in the upper parking lot trying to unlock a pistol case and due to stress he was fumbling badly. By the time he got the pistol out and loaded the sheriff's were on site. What I learned from this incident is that Commifornia gun laws make us unsafe. 😢
Cook's Corner is classified as a restaurant under the California Alcohol Beverage License Control Board search. Primary purpose is food sales with a "portable bar" secondary license. Many local residents are unaware of this. For those in OC, always check the website and carry where you can - I pray for those who lost their lives in this tragic shooting. It was too close to home
I have to constantly explain my Brazil folk that I feel way more safe in a shooting range surrounded by "military style weapons" then at any place with "no firearms" posted Infront. This is exactly why I feel more safe in a range.
I bet this man never allows himself to be caught in that situation ever again, whether it's legal or not. Every relative of the victims and the survivors who had to endure this living hell should sue Gavin Newsom under section 242 of title 18.
This was a horrible thing to hear about. I live less than a mile away from this location. Hard to hear this type of degeneracy infecting this safer area of OC. I, too, am a ccw holder in Orange County california and wanted to add this: My trainer told me that, as long as they serve more than pretzels and nuts, you can carry. But - you can not drink.
I'm up in Missouri and we're extremely pro gun, almost as pro gun as Texas. And even we have that ridiculous policy on not having firearms in a bar. I really think it needs to be that you can bring a gun into a bar but no alcohol can be in your system while carrying. I think that would be a great compromise.
@@CaptainRudy4021 Makes sense to me, there is a difference between 'drinking' and 'having a drink', but anything they can get enough sociopolitical weight behind to take away the 2A will be put in place. TLDR is they don't want you carrying and they can't be arsed to parse the nuances.
In 1965 after 2 years overseas, I was waiting for my ship at the Boston Navy yard. I had no idea that a gang war was on. I was in a Charlestown bar when a gangster started shooting at a guy behind the bar. I was standing right beside the shooter. Suddenly, two cops were holding him and banging his arm on the bar. I heard more shots while going out the door. Two other sailors who were there, told me it took about 8 Boston cops to get the pistol away from the thug. You never know what you might be walking into.
As a Northern CA resident and CCW holder. My local sheriff (that does his own CCW interviews) told me that we are allowed to carry inside an establishment that you describe in this video as long as we are not sitting up at the main bar area. We can patronize the establishment as long as we are not consuming alcohol while carrying. I wish all sheriffs felt that way.
Not drinking while carrying is a no-brainer. These dangerous policies only make sense to people who don’t understand firearms or don’t care about our rights.
Where I live in TX, we have what is called the 51% rule that says that if an establishment earns 51% of its revenue from alcohol sales, carrying is prohibited. I can argue that is unconstitutuonal as well but it's a lot better than what this man just experienced in CA. Also, the alcohol limit for legally carrying is the same as for legally driving. This is yet another example of CA going out of it way to prevent people from protecting themselves, the Constitution and public safety be damned.
yeah and carrying in a business with a red 51 sign ............ could result in fines of up to $10,000 and up to 10 years in prison...... so not worth it
As far as the government rules you to be a victim rather that a person with self defense abilities ! and forgets that all the defense of our nation is by citizens not government debaters !...
My dad told me when I was very young, yes you will be arrested if it’s discovered your carrying while standing/sitting anywhere near the bar area and drinking. However, if you sit at a booth or in the areas with tables away from the bar sipping a beer, the authorities might take it as frowned upon but you are safe from his understanding. It’s once you walk towards any bar area you’re SoL.
That’s how I feel here in Illinois. Alway walking around on pins and needles worried about if I’m breaking some administrative law. How would anyone know the gross receipts of a business over the last 3 months 🤬🤬🤬🤬
The victims and their families should sue the policy makers for Unconstitutionally preventing the Unorganized Militia from protecting others safety. sue, Sue, SUE!
I was caught off guard just the other day giving a friend a ride home from work. My piece was in my bag in the trunk because i packed in a hurry to go home after, and by the time i noticed what was happening i could only watch in what felt like slow motion. Luckily the assailant aborted last second due to high foot traffic but i could see he was about to produce a weapon and target me and her. Stay vigilant! Stay ready! Always!!!
Live in Arizona, bars here can allow firearms into bars. Happened around 2007. The news etc. Said "all the bars in Arizona will be killing fields" etc... Well 2023 now and almost never is an issue. Also I go into bar/resuraunts armed ALL the time, haven't drank an alcohol since 2000. (not AA) just a life choice so I love being able to carry in these places with my family.
I’m a former Desert Storm Marine in Michigan with a CPL. In Michigan you cannot carry in a place that makes 51% or more of alcohol on premises. First off these are the most places I want to carry. Secondly, there is no way to know if the place is legal or not! How is that enforceable? Exactly as described in this video! It’s crap!
I was interviewed by a news outlet after the Pulse shooting as it was a block from my house. I told them if someone inside was armed there would have been a different outcome and current gun laws suck. Needless to say, it was never aired.
Since I started carrying a year ago, my habits have changed in a few ways. The main ones being 1) I actively avoid any premises that openly expresses any desire to cultivate a target rich environment, and 2) I don't drink when I go out because I don't want to be in any unfit state to carry while I'm with family or away from home. In summary, I carry wherever I can when I leave home.
Im in PA and there are no permit restrictions on carrying in a bar. I do actually limit how much i drink when i do decide to go out and def dont go unarmed.
Suppose he decided to carry his gun in the bar anyway,but was not drinking? AND HE WAS ABLE TO STOP THE THREAT BEFORE THE CASUALTIES,WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE CONSEQUENCES FOR HIM?
I have carried my gun since the 1990's, I carried everywhere, church, supermarket, theaters, parks, schools, and even checked my weapon in at the airport and carried it at my destination. I always believed in having it and not need it, than needing it and not have it! It actually became a mindset. However I knew, no capital buildings, court house, federal buildings etc., but I carried everywhere. Now if they have a sign or policy or law stating I can't carry, I don't go there!
I have a bar near my work that no longer allows people to carry weapons into their facility. They even have a sign in the door that says so. I used to go there for drinks sometimes but will no longer choose to do so.
I'm an LTC (License to carry) holder in Texas. The law here on that is if the establishment earns 51% or more of their revenue from alcohol sales specifically for 'on site consumption', you cannot carry a firearm. It is called a 51% establishment. I only commented because he mentioned that it would have stopped inside if it were in Texas. I don't know the specifics of the establishment that this happened at, but I'm not so sure you could carry in there if it were Texas. God Bless the victims and their families.
Also in Santa Clara county our sheriff Laurie smith was charged for corruption. She would decide who gets CCW depending if they trade her an iPod or donate hella money so as an American citizen how are we suppose to react to this? The 2nd amendment was made to check the government when they infringe on our rights, it clearly states that government shall not infringe but look where we are at today. It’s a shame and sad that they don’t care or value human life, especially our children’s lives
There needs to be a court case that challenges the merits of placing such conditions on what is inherently a right. Constitutional carry should be a nationwide policy.
Very important topic. If he had been able to stop this from happening. No CCW plan would cover this event. They have the right to refuse because he didn’t follow “policy”.
Even here in Texas if the place is listed as a 51% astablisment you may not carry. Alchohol and firearms don't mix. That said if the place have a "restaurant" area you can get away with carrying in that area if you do not drink. That is a winnable arrangement here in Texas.
It should be based on whether someone is drinking or not (and whether they are intoxicated). I'd probably be ok with a restriction that goes as far as not being allowed to carry if you're consuming alcohol in a bar.
@@MrTheDif I get that. There are still places that just don't need any firearms to be in. Nightclubs, shoe show clubs and the like just don't need anyone in with firearms. The local watering hole when the person who is carrying stays dry can be a good thing. It would have stopped this one a lot sooner.
@@keithmalmberg8395 a responsible person should be able to carry anywhere. And what is a "shoe show club?" The problem with your theory is that obviously not everyone is going to obey the policy and a responsible person might need to protect themselves from someone else.
If your BAC is low enough to legally drive, you should be allowed to use a gun for defense. But if you do so, you better be able to show that your use of force was legitimate. Having said that, I myself don't drink -- but there are many places that sell alcohol but have really good food. I have also gone to a bar with friends and had plain old sweet tea while they drank.
California is a stand your ground and castle law. You can operate your firearms against another firearms attacker even while having a alcoholic drink. Your bac level for non intoxicated levels is 8% aka .08% meaning if you like budwiser its 5% .05% you can drink more then 1 12oz can
This is why I adamantly refuse to patronize any business that bans concealed carry. If carry in a type of business is banned by law I do not enter and if I walk up to a business that posts no guns allowed, I turn around and leave. The only place I cannot follow that is Doctor/Hospital visits or government business such as renewing registrations or driver's license.
I'm pretty sure the Florida statute allows impairment limits, the same as driving and boating. Also, it allows a concealed gun in the dining area of a restaurant, but not the bar area, and not in an establishment that is only a bar, without food, or limited food. Interestingly, the impairment limit is only for brandishing or firing. Carrying can be at any time, I think.
I am a retired Florida LEO and I carry 99.9% of the time. I have a CCW and I also carrying under the Federal LEOSA, which allows me to carry in all 50 states, including the District of Columbia,and in all U.S. territories.. I have never had to use my weapon, but I carry because I refuse to be a victim…….
I used to go to Cook’s Corner occasionally when I lived in Rancho Santa Margarita, which is about four miles away. The food there was awesome, particularly their bacon double cheeseburgers. You’re correct, the term “bar” can be used rather loosely. The place had a really nice “family “ atmosphere. It was frequented by bikers, young families, tradesmen, military (mostly Marines), and locals who just liked to hang out there. I was sad to hear that something like this happened at a place that I loved to go to so much. Now, it has a permanent stain left on it thanks to some wack-a-do. To the Marine who was in this video, Semper Fi from an Army veteran, thanks for your service to our country, and I’m so glad that you made it out of this terrible situation physically unscathed. I know the mental part is another story. I’m surprised that you were able to find cover there, because there really isn’t much. You made some really great points in this video, and you are correct.
In Ohio we can carry in a bar or a restaurant as long as you don't consume alcohol. Whenever we go out to eat I always carry and make the conscious decision not to drink just in case. The choice is just not worth it for me to not carry.
In Minnesota you can carry in a bar if your BAC remains under .04%. Cross the river to North Dakota and you gotta disarm before entering. Luckily restaurants that also serve alcohol (something like less than 30% of their revenue from alcohol sales) don't count as "bars".
The same lunacy exists here in Florida. Just walking through the "adult section" (bar) of a restaurant with your CCW is illegal. So, a dinner at Texas Roadhouse means "go around " not through the bar. Smaller "oyster bars" make CCW impossible.
As a Texas resident and LTC holder (License to Carry) if a business gains 51% or more of their profit from selling alcohol then they are considered a 51% Business and you can not carry your weapon on the premises. However, that business must post a 51% sign at the entrance in a visible location, and the sign must meet certain parameters. This sign can be ordered from the TABC (Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission). The law is still a bad idea but at least you know for sure before you enter. I believe Florida has the same system.
Really appreciate your videos, sir. Small piece of camera advice for this type of same-room-but-split-screen interview shoot: place each camera over the shoulder of each participant so your eyelines can remain at more natural (& matching) levels.
No in TX if an establishment sells more than 50% of the receipts in consummable alcohol, the TABC issue a Red 51% sign, and the only ones able to carry legally are LEO. With an LTC, just don't be empaired higher than the BAC for DUI, but under CC no alcohol in system.
In Nevada the law is a bit different. A CCW holder can go into a bar they just cannot drink enough to be over the legal limit. This means a designated driver CCW holder can still carry.
One of the most valuable and challenging college courses I took over 35 years ago was utilitarianism, with an emphasis on Jerry Bentham and John Stuart Mill. Suzanna Hupp who saw her parents being murdered before her at a Luby's restaurant in a mall with a no guns policy forever regretted her decision to leave her gun in the car. Sometimes the greater good like the preservation of life requires violating lesser rules and laws.
Agreed. So a retired LE officer from Ohio traveling back to OC, CA to attack his ex-wife. Do we see an issue here? The normal mind can go into a "protective mind" to save lives and go on the attack with alcohol in your system. I am in total agreement with this video. Pissed off former LEO with a vendetta just needs to be looked at. Rules need to be adjusted.
I agree, and I also agree that drinking while armed may not typically be the best idea. However in this case it could have saved lives. But then I wonder, what would have been the consequences for you if you ignored the law/policy and were armed and stop the threat. Wouldnt the lesser of evils Prevail ? Or jail time
In some states, it's not just a rule, it's a law. Here in Ohio, they changed the law 8 years ago. Now, you can bring a gun into a bar, if you're not consuming alcohol. Going to constitutional (permitless) carry last year does not appear to have changed that law.
I do my best to avoid any establishment that doesnt allow you to protect yourself ! I got into an argument with a store owner because he saw me walk up to the door ,but when i noticed the no weapons sign on the door ! I have a firearm and a knife on me at all times ! I turned and walked away, suddenly the store owner comes out feeling insulted he then starts questioning me about why i walked away ! I told him that sign is a bunch of crap ! I am the weapon , a firearm just extends my reach ! I refuse to spend my money in a store that refuses you the ability to defend yourself!
As a veteran, Ive noticed 2 things over the years . 1. " thanks for your service " isn't genuine . It makes YOU feel better for not doing it . Its getting kinda cringe. 2. Guys who spew out a military " resume " , were usually in the rear with the gear.
In Texas there's a 51% rule, you can not carry a firearm in the establishment if the business makes over 50% of its income from the sale of alcohol. I traveled to Florida and checked on the laws, you can go to a restaurant and drink alcohol as long as you don't sit at the bar...
In New Mexico, I can’t carry in a school zone, at a post office, in the Bosque (a wooded area near the Rio Grande) since I am usually there as a chaperone for a school function, at a doctor or dentist office, and in a bar or restaurant that serves mixed drinks. In New Mexico, a lot of restaurants serve margaritas.
Ive worked as a bouncer. I absolutely do not want guns in the bar. To many people and I've had to stop way to many situations and my worat offenders were always cops.
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@@yakovbrod9992 Irrelevant but good to know. Thanks for the support.
Where I live in TX, we have what is called the 51% rule that says that if an establishment earns 51% of its revenue from alcohol sales, carrying is prohibited. I can argue that is unconstitutuonal as well but it's a lot better than what this man just experienced in CA. Also, the alcohol limit for legally carrying is the same as for legally driving. This is yet another example of CA going out of it way to prevent people from protecting themselves, the Constitution and public safety be damned.
Am from Greece. We are depressed by criminals and government cause there is NO 2nd amendment for citizens!!
@@teru797 youtube must be censoring his comment. what did he say?
We need to put in place a law where if an establishment wants to remove your right to protect yourself, then they take on the legal responsibility to protect you. This way if something happens, you or your family can sue the establishment for not having adequate security to remove someones rights. There should also be an expectation that everyone is armed and their rights continue up until they enter your establishment. This would me they will need the adequate security to store your weapon while your rights are being violated. Put all the cost on the gun free zones instead of on the responsible citizen.
Most logical comment I ever heard
It's not law anyway so you don't have to follow it.. there's a huge difference between policy and law.. treat policy's as suggestions
But then you are infringing on the rights of a owners private property. I support the right to carry but I also value my right to not allow anyone to carry on my property.
@@Being_Joe I think he meant businesses open to the public.
@@Being_JoeYou should be responsible for their safety if you don't want to let them protect themselves.
Everyone who was injured and the families of the people killed should sue for damages caused by the states policies
Sovereign immunity.
@@adamschrader328 they should lose that cause they're trying to sue gun manufacturers even though there is a law that states they can't
Well, apparently, people on the left can even sue if they are "in the presence" of a "mass shooting". So everybody in that establishment shouldbsue the AG and the governor and the mayor and anyone else they feel restricted their rights
I live on the Washington/Oregon border and no longer follow CCW rules when crossing state lines because keeping my family safe is far more important than being a good boy and following unconstitutional laws. Luckily it was only a smash and grab experience for me that opened my eyes. Being a victim once, I proudly break those CCW border laws now...
I too wrestle with that idea. follow the rules and wish I had it when I needed, or not follow the rules and my family is alive and I go to prison.
I say never go to prison. If the thugs with badges keep treating us like criminals, we should treat them as a threat period.
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@@B.V.Luminous found the wife? Lol
@@mrpoosteak not the wife, I love everyone, I even love you.
I am a former USMC combat veteran in Vietnam and have CCWs in 44 states except California where I live I have competed all the legal requirements and have been waiting over one year for LASD to interview me. So I’m not allowed to protect myself or my family or fellow citizens just as this Marine could not do because of The California State regulations.
Here in Texas, I never leave home without my sidearm. Even before open carry, I still carried it with me. It's sad what this Country is becoming because of the people who just do not understand the importance of carrying for the sole purpose of protecting innocent lives. I do not need a document nor any other man, to tell me that I have the right to protect my family's gift of life. Semper Fi.
I am not sure how you were able to obtain CCW's in 44 states, but would love info on that. I have PA and Florida and have looked into what other states would give me more reciprocity and there are none.
I actually got denied my CCW in Placer County. Before I tell you their "reasoning", I'll tell you what I think they denied me based on.
I believe I was denied because I wore a beanie to the interview (my hair gets in my eyes, surviving transplant patient and I've worn one since, shouldn't even matter!), as well as the fact that I'm a security guard. Cops hate security guards, we all know this. They just hate them and it's a fact. They also hate poor people.
Now here is their reason. They supposedly denied me because they "felt", yes "felt" like I was lying about why I was suspended from my job. I told them at the time I didn't know, which was true. Nor did I care to find out. My job emailed the suspension to me, and I was over that job, so I didn't care. He told me to give him my best guess, so I told him disagreements with a supervisor. That was true. I offered to look at the email while in the interview and show him, which he declined! That's how I know it's all bs.
@@nosaj3856 I've heard Utah has reciprocity with 30 other states. I can't confirm it myself but it might be worth looking into
Carry anyway. You have no duty to obey unconstitutional laws. In fact, having sworn the oath, you have a duty to uphold and defend the Constitution, so bearing arms the way we were meant to can be argued to be part of that.
Years ago, a woman was eating with her parents at a cafeteria in Killeen Texas. Nutcase starts shooting up the place, and the woman had a gun, but it was in her car accordance with the law at the time. Both her parents were killed at that Lubys, and this woman's efforts with the Legislature eventually led to changes in CCW statewide.
I remember that. She wasn't allowed to carry where they were for some reason, and if she did anyway she risked losing some sort of professional license (I think she was a doctor or chiropractor).
Worst part is the scum bag ran into the bathroom and offed himself when police arrived. Society didn't get the comfort of the system stopping him.
I remember Luby’s
@THall-vi8cp Yeah, she was a veterinarian... When the laws were about to be changed, anti-gunners warned there be daily shoot outs, but nada..
@@markmonse5285Dr. Suzanna Gratia Hupp is a chiropractor, not a veterinarian.
@@BushidoDevilDog thx
My son worked at Kennywood amusement park with a no weapons policy posted and patrons were searched at the gate…..gang members snuck a firearm behind one of the perimeter fences and a huge shootout occurred. Fortunately he was not at work that day! It is a shame that the most violent occurrences take place in these “no firearms policy” types of places.
Follow law not policy.. a policy is nothing more than a suggestion 🤷🏻♂️
Gun free zones are only safe spaces for criminals.
Those stupid signs/stickers prohibiting weapons ought to just read: "Free shooting gallery!"
@@joeyphillips1181 Whose Law? I don't obey laws that will get me killed.
But it should not surprise any one the most shooters are wanting not to get shot that is the reason they go to gun free zones !...
Yeah, that's why I won't go places where I have to go through a metal detector. Criminals find ways around security and don't obey laws, so why should I be a sitting duck?
Rule of thumb, if I'm not legally able to carry somewhere, I simply dont go. If there's a sign on the business restricting my rights I spend my money elsewhere. Stay strapped, stay frosty, stay dangerous!
You don’t vote? Go to the doctor?
@@oldjarhead386I go to the doctor and I am able to carry there. You can also vote mail in so.....
facts stay safe!!
@@oldjarhead386 I take my firearm with me on doctors and dentist appointments.
@@YourFavDieselTech this is the way! both my dentist and doc are veterans and carry
It's better to have and not need it! Then need it and not have it!
Amen
constitution is the ultimate law of the land and it says shall not be infringed. Idk what is hard to understand about that.
Amen!
English iz hard! 😂
@@Viracocha785 I said this yesterday in my video 😂😂🤦♂️
@The_Mission445 there is no such thing as an accidental discharge, only a negligent one. Since you have to break all the rules of gun safety to have one.
@The_Mission445 I've carried a glock for years and have never shot myself or had it go off while bending over.... so that argument doesnt work. Guns do not just go off by themselves. Biggest rule with that one is booger hook off the bang button.
Thank you for bringing this topic up. These"stupid" limitations are making law abiding citizens less safe and criminals will break/ignore any law or policy anyway.
Not a limitation because you don't have to listen to it lol policy is nothing more than a suggestion 🤷🏻♂️ you don't have to follow policy.. you do have to follow law though
@@joeyphillips1181 Whose Law?
That's why I don't go in any restaurant that has a no firearms policy. I will not be caught without my firearm. They will not get my money.
@adamschrader328 now we are getting somewhere. Remember. These laws only pertain to us low and middle class people. They don't pertain to members of congress and govt. And that's the entire problem at hand. We love In a society where we lost our republic. We, the people, now serve the government. It used to be the other way around...but that's what happens when an entity gains too much power, as told by essentially every founding father, over and over again. The history books are wrought with repetition.
And this is also why I don't go to gun free zones. It's a meal ticket for a criminal.
I generally don't even like to be out in public places that accommodate large crowds.
Situational awareness is everything to me. It's the world we live in. God bless and be safe, everyone.
Exactly correct. It would then assume that if you were at home, had 2 drinks, had a break in with a deadly threat, and defended yourself, it would be right away assumed that you are in the wrong because of alcohol in the system. Ludicrous.
Sober sallies need to stop influencing laws. They hold so much moral high ground because of their stance on drunk driving.
@@PrimericanIdol Did you read what you said? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@adamschrader328 Yes. And I meant it.
Alcohol in your system alone doesn't automatically turn you into a reckless zombie.
@@PrimericanIdol Agreed. In my state, there is no limitation on carrying into a bar. There is however a legal limit on carrying while "intoxicated". If you are too drunk to drive, (.08) you are too drunk to be in possession of a firearm. Man must know his limitations.
@@PrimericanIdolOr weed
“The math would be different”… simplest way to put it 😢
Thank You for your service, thank you for remaining a patriot and shepherd!
The point being made around the 8:30 mark is so important. My wife and I go out, and she will ask me, "Hey are you going to get a beer or something?" If I say "No", she automatically assumes it's because I'm carrying. Most of the time she is right. However, I leave it at home, or locked in the car, ya sure I will have a drink. Why not? For me going out, I'd MUCH rather choose to be armed than I would choose to have a drink. Both of those decisions are net-positive decisions for me and everyone else around us.
Well said
If I am going to drink I stay home , its cheaper , no chance of DUI , and you can't get in a bar fight if you stay out of the bar . I live in Texas and though we dont have too many crazy gun laws ...the law that left this man unarmed in California ..Is also in Texas .......Texas law restricts the carry of firearms at places that sell alcohol. Bars that make more than half of their sales from alcohol ...So it's in Texas too The restriction on carrying a firearm in bars in Texas doesn’t just refer to traditional bars. It also applies to an establishment that earns more than half of its revenue from alcohol-related sales and consumption. In Texas, this is known as the 51 percent rule. In other words, the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission considers an establishment a “bar” if it makes 51 percent of its income/revenue from the sale of alcoholic beverages.
It’s obvious that a bar is a place where most or all of the revenue comes from alcohol consumption. However, it can be difficult to clearly tell if a restaurant that also serves a full menu of food and nonalcoholic options is also a place where a firearm can’t be carried. This is why bars and restaurants in Texas display “51 percent” signs. These highly visible signs include “51 percent” in large red letters to further increase clarity.
If you do carry a firearm into a bar or restaurant with a clearly displayed 51 percent sign, you could face some serious legal consequences. According to uslawshield.com, carrying a firearm into any establishment considered a “51 percent” place of business could result in fines of up to $10,000 and up to 10 years in prison.
This is the way.
If I don't think I can have A drink while carrying than I'm not responsible enough to do either
@@nickabel8279 It's not about THINKING I can't mix the two. Obviously a single drink will not impair most people. However, it's that mixing alcohol and carrying is a quick and sure way to lose your CCW privileges. So I don't mix the two - simple as that. To me it's not worth the risk.
shall not be infringed.
Amen
amen to your amen!@@USCCAOfficial
It’s always funny when people think laws stop criminals
Ironic perhaps, but hardly a laughing matter.
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I saw a guy in the upper parking lot trying to unlock a pistol case and due to stress he was fumbling badly. By the time he got the pistol out and loaded the sheriff's were on site. What I learned from this incident is that Commifornia gun laws make us unsafe. 😢
@ 4:20 Seems like those "banned" areas are hotbeds of trouble and need concealed carry
I don’t know why, they have signs that say no weapons allowed. How does that not deter trouble?! 😂
@@BellBivDeveau I think it has been PROVEN to invite TROUBLE, and I think certain bastards have benefitted from that trouble.
@@BellBivDeveauaw geez why won't criminals just follow the rules/laws? Let's blame those darn gun owners. 😂
Or do not spend your money there at all or even go there !...
This is a massive injustice to anyone who just wants to go about their daily lives without the risk/fear of being terminated by a criminal…
He needs to sue the city state or whoever and join in with the families of those hurt and killed.
Thank you Mr. Huff for your service. And thank you for helping to make this video to let everyone know what happens in 'gun free areas.'
Cook's Corner is classified as a restaurant under the California Alcohol Beverage License Control Board search. Primary purpose is food sales with a "portable bar" secondary license. Many local residents are unaware of this. For those in OC, always check the website and carry where you can - I pray for those who lost their lives in this tragic shooting. It was too close to home
I have to constantly explain my Brazil folk that I feel way more safe in a shooting range surrounded by "military style weapons" then at any place with "no firearms" posted Infront. This is exactly why I feel more safe in a range.
If you're allowed to drive a car with a .08 BAL, you should be able to carry a firearm.
Here in Minnesota, you can drink while strapped as long as you stay below 0.04.
@@CaptainRudy4021 .04 is nothing. Might as well be sober. I would hate to have anything in my system and have to use lethal force.
@@mikedickinson9730 i agree. Good thing I don't drink.
@@CaptainRudy4021 same here. Really is a waste of money and health.
I bet this man never allows himself to be caught in that situation ever again, whether it's legal or not. Every relative of the victims and the survivors who had to endure this living hell should sue Gavin Newsom under section 242 of title 18.
As former military, the cops might even have given him a pass on breaking that law. Then or in the future. 🫤
All gun laws are a infringement including those against felons.
This was a horrible thing to hear about. I live less than a mile away from this location. Hard to hear this type of degeneracy infecting this safer area of OC. I, too, am a ccw holder in Orange County california and wanted to add this:
My trainer told me that, as long as they serve more than pretzels and nuts, you can carry. But - you can not drink.
Now the designated driver becomes the armed Defender.
Any gun free zone is a prime crime zone
Exactly
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Wonder why these stories do not make the “Mainstream Media?” Having lived through a somewhat similar situation, I feel for this gentleman!
Very simple, the mainstream media is owned and operated by entities that support gun control and don’t want you carrying a firearm.
I'm up in Missouri and we're extremely pro gun, almost as pro gun as Texas. And even we have that ridiculous policy on not having firearms in a bar. I really think it needs to be that you can bring a gun into a bar but no alcohol can be in your system while carrying. I think that would be a great compromise.
We actually have that very law up here in Minnesota. They even allow you to drink while carrying so long as you keep your BAC below 0.04.
@@CaptainRudy4021 Makes sense to me, there is a difference between 'drinking' and 'having a drink', but anything they can get enough sociopolitical weight behind to take away the 2A will be put in place. TLDR is they don't want you carrying and they can't be arsed to parse the nuances.
Yes lived in Ventura for 45 years and now in South Carolina and definitely heard about quickly
In 1965 after 2 years overseas, I was waiting for my ship at the Boston Navy yard. I had no idea that a gang war was on.
I was in a Charlestown bar when a gangster started shooting at a guy behind the bar. I was standing right beside the shooter. Suddenly, two cops were holding him and banging his arm on the bar. I heard more shots while going out the door.
Two other sailors who were there, told me it took about 8 Boston cops to get the pistol away from the thug.
You never know what you might be walking into.
Sounds like one of Whitey Bulger's associates!
As a Northern CA resident and CCW holder. My local sheriff (that does his own CCW interviews) told me that we are allowed to carry inside an establishment that you describe in this video as long as we are not sitting up at the main bar area. We can patronize the establishment as long as we are not consuming alcohol while carrying. I wish all sheriffs felt that way.
Not drinking while carrying is a no-brainer. These dangerous policies only make sense to people who don’t understand firearms or don’t care about our rights.
I carry all the time except in federal court or Los Angeles county court buildings. I don’t drink when I’m out of the house.
Where I live in TX, we have what is called the 51% rule that says that if an establishment earns 51% of its revenue from alcohol sales, carrying is prohibited. I can argue that is unconstitutuonal as well but it's a lot better than what this man just experienced in CA. Also, the alcohol limit for legally carrying is the same as for legally driving. This is yet another example of CA going out of it way to prevent people from protecting themselves, the Constitution and public safety be damned.
Anyone who punishes self-defense is MENTALLY ILL !!!!!!!!
yeah and carrying in a business with a red 51 sign ............ could result in fines of up to $10,000 and up to 10 years in prison...... so not worth it
As far as the government rules you to be a victim rather that a person with self defense abilities ! and forgets that all the defense of our nation is by citizens not government debaters !...
In the news online it says California Biker Bar, then later in same report said it was a family gathering spot/ Restaurant
My dad told me when I was very young, yes you will be arrested if it’s discovered your carrying while standing/sitting anywhere near the bar area and drinking. However, if you sit at a booth or in the areas with tables away from the bar sipping a beer, the authorities might take it as frowned upon but you are safe from his understanding. It’s once you walk towards any bar area you’re SoL.
Great having an interview on this incident. Sad for the families involved, prayers are with them. But thank you for this insight.
That’s how I feel here in Illinois. Alway walking around on pins and needles worried about if I’m breaking some administrative law. How would anyone know the gross receipts of a business over the last 3 months 🤬🤬🤬🤬
Retired police sergeant...😒
"Sergeant".
@@pukavoketthank you o' wise one...
The victims and their families should sue the policy makers for Unconstitutionally preventing the Unorganized Militia from protecting others safety.
sue, Sue, SUE!
I was caught off guard just the other day giving a friend a ride home from work. My piece was in my bag in the trunk because i packed in a hurry to go home after, and by the time i noticed what was happening i could only watch in what felt like slow motion. Luckily the assailant aborted last second due to high foot traffic but i could see he was about to produce a weapon and target me and her.
Stay vigilant! Stay ready! Always!!!
He huffed and he puffed and he... was forced to leave his gun at home.
I see what you did there.
In FL, a bar that has a restaurant section, you can bring your firearm in, but you cannot sit at the bar.
Always, everywhere. Never be without.
Live in Arizona, bars here can allow firearms into bars. Happened around 2007. The news etc. Said "all the bars in Arizona will be killing fields" etc... Well 2023 now and almost never is an issue. Also I go into bar/resuraunts armed ALL the time, haven't drank an alcohol since 2000. (not AA) just a life choice so I love being able to carry in these places with my family.
I’m a former Desert Storm Marine in Michigan with a CPL. In Michigan you cannot carry in a place that makes 51% or more of alcohol on premises.
First off these are the most places I want to carry. Secondly, there is no way to know if the place is legal or not! How is that enforceable?
Exactly as described in this video!
It’s crap!
I was interviewed by a news outlet after the Pulse shooting as it was a block from my house. I told them if someone inside was armed there would have been a different outcome and current gun laws suck. Needless to say, it was never aired.
Since I started carrying a year ago, my habits have changed in a few ways. The main ones being
1) I actively avoid any premises that openly expresses any desire to cultivate a target rich environment, and
2) I don't drink when I go out because I don't want to be in any unfit state to carry while I'm with family or away from home.
In summary, I carry wherever I can when I leave home.
Im in PA and there are no permit restrictions on carrying in a bar. I do actually limit how much i drink when i do decide to go out and def dont go unarmed.
Suppose he decided to carry his gun in the bar anyway,but was not drinking? AND HE WAS ABLE TO STOP THE THREAT BEFORE THE CASUALTIES,WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE CONSEQUENCES FOR HIM?
I have carried my gun since the 1990's, I carried everywhere, church, supermarket, theaters, parks, schools, and even checked my weapon in at the airport and carried it at my destination. I always believed in having it and not need it, than needing it and not have it! It actually became a mindset. However I knew, no capital buildings, court house, federal buildings etc., but I carried everywhere. Now if they have a sign or policy or law stating I can't carry, I don't go there!
I think this is the best USCCA video with the bald guy.
I have a bar near my work that no longer allows people to carry weapons into their facility. They even have a sign in the door that says so. I used to go there for drinks sometimes but will no longer choose to do so.
I'm an LTC (License to carry) holder in Texas. The law here on that is if the establishment earns 51% or more of their revenue from alcohol sales specifically for 'on site consumption', you cannot carry a firearm. It is called a 51% establishment. I only commented because he mentioned that it would have stopped inside if it were in Texas. I don't know the specifics of the establishment that this happened at, but I'm not so sure you could carry in there if it were Texas. God Bless the victims and their families.
Also in Santa Clara county our sheriff Laurie smith was charged for corruption. She would decide who gets CCW depending if they trade her an iPod or donate hella money so as an American citizen how are we suppose to react to this? The 2nd amendment was made to check the government when they infringe on our rights, it clearly states that government shall not infringe but look where we are at today. It’s a shame and sad that they don’t care or value human life, especially our children’s lives
There needs to be a court case that challenges the merits of placing such conditions on what is inherently a right. Constitutional carry should be a nationwide policy.
Very important topic. If he had been able to stop this from happening. No CCW plan would cover this event. They have the right to refuse because he didn’t follow “policy”.
Did the establishment have a 51% sign?
Even here in Texas if the place is listed as a 51% astablisment you may not carry. Alchohol and firearms don't mix.
That said if the place have a "restaurant" area you can get away with carrying in that area if you do not drink. That is a winnable arrangement here in Texas.
It should be based on whether someone is drinking or not (and whether they are intoxicated). I'd probably be ok with a restriction that goes as far as not being allowed to carry if you're consuming alcohol in a bar.
@@MrTheDif I get that. There are still places that just don't need any firearms to be in.
Nightclubs, shoe show clubs and the like just don't need anyone in with firearms.
The local watering hole when the person who is carrying stays dry can be a good thing. It would have stopped this one a lot sooner.
@@keithmalmberg8395 a responsible person should be able to carry anywhere. And what is a "shoe show club?"
The problem with your theory is that obviously not everyone is going to obey the policy and a responsible person might need to protect themselves from someone else.
@@MrTheDif a shoe show is a place where the dancers only wear shoes....
@@keithmalmberg8395 Never heard a strip club referred to that way.
Support the narrative 100%
If your BAC is low enough to legally drive, you should be allowed to use a gun for defense. But if you do so, you better be able to show that your use of force was legitimate.
Having said that, I myself don't drink -- but there are many places that sell alcohol but have really good food. I have also gone to a bar with friends and had plain old sweet tea while they drank.
Here in Minnesota, you can drink while strapped as long as you're below 0.04
California is a stand your ground and castle law. You can operate your firearms against another firearms attacker even while having a alcoholic drink. Your bac level for non intoxicated levels is 8% aka .08% meaning if you like budwiser its 5% .05% you can drink more then 1 12oz can
You can't drink more then 1 12oz budwiser UA-cam won't let me fix the wrong spelling sorry
Which bar was this? I want to look up the story.
Cook’s corner bar
@@USCCAOfficial Thanks I'm going to make it known in those videos someone was there who could have done something
Oddly in Taxachusetts they treat carrying a firearm the same as operating a vehicle. You can carry as long as your BAL is below .08.
Using the law to disarm law-abiding citizens does not stop the law-breaking criminals.
Being caught without my gun is why I enrolled in the Steven Seagal school of Master of Silent Death. Best $149 I ever spent!
In Arizona, it is a law, not a policy. But, if you have a ccw and there's no sign prohibiting it and you don't drink, you can carry.
Back the thin blue swine when they arrest you for victimless crimes?
They are an enemy combatant just like those they commit the "domestic" crimes against you.
This is why I adamantly refuse to patronize any business that bans concealed carry. If carry in a type of business is banned by law I do not enter and if I walk up to a business that posts no guns allowed, I turn around and leave. The only place I cannot follow that is Doctor/Hospital visits or government business such as renewing registrations or driver's license.
I'm pretty sure the Florida statute allows impairment limits, the same as driving and boating. Also, it allows a concealed gun in the dining area of a restaurant, but not the bar area, and not in an establishment that is only a bar, without food, or limited food. Interestingly, the impairment limit is only for brandishing or firing. Carrying can be at any time, I think.
"the impairment limit is only for brandishing or firing." - Sure, you can brandish or fire a gun in public in Florida when you are sober 🙂
I am a retired Florida LEO and I carry 99.9% of the time. I have a CCW and I also carrying under the Federal LEOSA, which allows me to carry in all 50 states, including the District of Columbia,and in all U.S. territories.. I have never had to use my weapon, but I carry because I refuse to be a victim…….
@@dave4344 What happened in 0.1% of the time? Swimming?
In the shower or bed…
Cook's corner is less than 10 minute drive from my house! Sad to hear about this..
No one had a gun because of NEWSOM. STUPID LAWS
We need more people to come out with videos like these.
There is no law preventing someone from carrying in a bar.
Yes, there is bars, banks, Government buildings and such.
I used to go to Cook’s Corner occasionally when I lived in Rancho Santa Margarita, which is about four miles away. The food there was awesome, particularly their bacon double cheeseburgers. You’re correct, the term “bar” can be used rather loosely. The place had a really nice “family “ atmosphere. It was frequented by bikers, young families, tradesmen, military (mostly Marines), and locals who just liked to hang out there. I was sad to hear that something like this happened at a place that I loved to go to so much. Now, it has a permanent stain left on it thanks to some wack-a-do. To the Marine who was in this video, Semper Fi from an Army veteran, thanks for your service to our country, and I’m so glad that you made it out of this terrible situation physically unscathed. I know the mental part is another story. I’m surprised that you were able to find cover there, because there really isn’t much. You made some really great points in this video, and you are correct.
In Ohio we can carry in a bar or a restaurant as long as you don't consume alcohol. Whenever we go out to eat I always carry and make the conscious decision not to drink just in case. The choice is just not worth it for me to not carry.
In Minnesota you can carry in a bar if your BAC remains under .04%. Cross the river to North Dakota and you gotta disarm before entering. Luckily restaurants that also serve alcohol (something like less than 30% of their revenue from alcohol sales) don't count as "bars".
The same lunacy exists here in Florida. Just walking through the "adult section" (bar) of a restaurant with your CCW is illegal. So, a dinner at Texas Roadhouse means "go around " not through the bar. Smaller "oyster bars" make CCW impossible.
So what your saying is the “rules” only hurt the innocent and empower the bad ones… when will this sink in?
As a Texas resident and LTC holder (License to Carry) if a business gains 51% or more of their profit from selling alcohol then they are considered a 51% Business and you can not carry your weapon on the premises. However, that business must post a 51% sign at the entrance in a visible location, and the sign must meet certain parameters. This sign can be ordered from the TABC (Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission). The law is still a bad idea but at least you know for sure before you enter. I believe Florida has the same system.
Nope in Fl you can carry in bar/restaurant… the restaurant must serve food and you cannot sit in the bar area. There’s no % postage needed
Really appreciate your videos, sir. Small piece of camera advice for this type of same-room-but-split-screen interview shoot: place each camera over the shoulder of each participant so your eyelines can remain at more natural (& matching) levels.
No in TX if an establishment sells more than 50% of the receipts in consummable alcohol, the TABC issue a Red 51% sign, and the only ones able to carry legally are LEO. With an LTC, just don't be empaired higher than the BAC for DUI, but under CC no alcohol in system.
In Nevada the law is a bit different. A CCW holder can go into a bar they just cannot drink enough to be over the legal limit. This means a designated driver CCW holder can still carry.
One of the most valuable and challenging college courses I took over 35 years ago was utilitarianism, with an emphasis on Jerry Bentham and John Stuart Mill. Suzanna Hupp who saw her parents being murdered before her at a Luby's restaurant in a mall with a no guns policy forever regretted her decision to leave her gun in the car. Sometimes the greater good like the preservation of life requires violating lesser rules and laws.
The idea that a designated driver, or anyone else who isn't drinking, 'needs' to be unarmed where alcohol is being served is indeed quite insane.
Agreed. So a retired LE officer from Ohio traveling back to OC, CA to attack his ex-wife. Do we see an issue here? The normal mind can go into a "protective mind" to save lives and go on the attack with alcohol in your system. I am in total agreement with this video. Pissed off former LEO with a vendetta just needs to be looked at. Rules need to be adjusted.
I agree, and I also agree that drinking while armed may not typically be the best idea. However in this case it could have saved lives. But then I wonder, what would have been the consequences for you if you ignored the law/policy and were armed and stop the threat. Wouldnt the lesser of evils Prevail ? Or jail time
Wondering that myself. There is however precedent in mall shooter case within the last year. Different state, however
@@muckey7800I don't think the mall defender violated law though. It was just mall policy for no firearms.
So when is someone going to go after no carrying let alone possession while on DoD property?
In some states, it's not just a rule, it's a law.
Here in Ohio, they changed the law 8 years ago. Now, you can bring a gun into a bar, if you're not consuming alcohol.
Going to constitutional (permitless) carry last year does not appear to have changed that law.
I do my best to avoid any establishment that doesnt allow you to protect yourself ! I got into an argument with a store owner because he saw me walk up to the door ,but when i noticed the no weapons sign on the door ! I have a firearm and a knife on me at all times ! I turned and walked away, suddenly the store owner comes out feeling insulted he then starts questioning me about why i walked away ! I told him that sign is a bunch of crap ! I am the weapon , a firearm just extends my reach ! I refuse to spend my money in a store that refuses you the ability to defend yourself!
As a veteran, Ive noticed 2 things over the years .
1. " thanks for your service " isn't genuine . It makes YOU feel better for not doing it . Its getting kinda cringe.
2. Guys who spew out a military " resume " , were usually in the rear with the gear.
In Texas there's a 51% rule, you can not carry a firearm in the establishment if the business makes over 50% of its income from the sale of alcohol. I traveled to Florida and checked on the laws, you can go to a restaurant and drink alcohol as long as you don't sit at the bar...
WHen are you running for Mayor? I might just pop in and cast my vote.
In New Mexico, I can’t carry in a school zone, at a post office, in the Bosque (a wooded area near the Rio Grande) since I am usually there as a chaperone for a school function, at a doctor or dentist office, and in a bar or restaurant that serves mixed drinks. In New Mexico, a lot of restaurants serve margaritas.
If my gun isn't welcome neither am I.
Ive worked as a bouncer. I absolutely do not want guns in the bar. To many people and I've had to stop way to many situations and my worat offenders were always cops.
I checked out their website. Cook's Corner seems like fun, neighborhood spot. There's no way you could've seen that coming.
Thank you for your Service Sir!