@fenderibo He pumps the regulator as to not put too much steam into the cylinders which would cause a slip, but the loco gets stuck in 'dead centre' so has to wind it into forward, get it to move, then wind it back and start again.
Its an amazing bit of film that is. Just shows what NYMR is all about, still firing the old fashioned way of firing up to the door on the slope. Mind you, with those gradients I'm guessing that you wouldn't keep steam for long if you didn't! I fire on the Battlefield Line, 5 miles and fairly flat so seeing this is amazing :) 5*
I maybe wrong but I thought all the hard work was between Grosmont and Goathland and didn't he leave Pickering. But hey what do I know, thanks for posting.
So I've fired in the US and the gentleman that taught me to fire since I was left handed was left corner left front right front right back center then sides. Why did he pile it up on the firebox door?
As you probably know all locos have difference characterists when it comes to how they are fired to obtain the best results with regards maintaining boiler pressure while under load. In the case of a LMS Black 5 loco, one method that works well is to have a high back end, fire over the flap and keep the front of the firebox fairly thin. The blast from the fire will carry coal from the back end to where the loco needs it. The fireman can top the back end up with coal on the move and occasionally fire the front, sides and middle of the box, as required. And open the back damper two notches to allow primary air into the firebox at the back end to aid combustion. There other techniques. On this occasion the crewainly fire the back end.
I don’t know much about firing a steam locomotive for real, but I would think that you’re not supposed to allow the fire mass to accumulate right around the firebox. I would think the fire would be more effective/efficient if the fire mass was spread evenly throughout the entire firebox.
you are right you do want a nice even fire around the box but the method behind this is because this loco is a two cylinder loco you get a rocking motion as when the cylinders fire they pull the loco from side to side so by filling the back right up by the door the rocking motion of the loco naturally shifts the coal down the box witch makes you life as a fireman easier so you dont have to throw coal all the way down the box that often hope I made sence and helped answer your question lol
Why oh why does endless footage of chucking coal into a firebox seem to make for good steam enthusiast video? Yes its a steam train and it has to be fed by coal... But ... the engine also had to be started and stopped. The footplate crew have to cope with gradients, speed restrictions and signalling. boiler levels need to be maintained. the cut off needs to be adjusted, Cylinder cox used etc. It is not all about chucking coal into a firebox.
Good video, nice to see the footplate ride of a black five, lovely whistle, i think the fireman is putting too much coal on as it blows off twice and has black smoke some of the time.
@@Bahamas-rd8le When 45212 returned to steam in 2002 by the NYMR it carried the name Roy 'Korky' Green because he was one of the volunteers who helped the overhaul with NYMR benefactor Pete Best, but Roy died in 2001 and never got to see 45212 return to steam in 2002 for the Autumn Gala. I hope that answers your question?
@@Bahamas-rd8le Yes only temporary. In about June 2011, one month before the loco return to the KWVR it carried the nameplates once again and they had not been back on since.
Its an old fashioned technique. The theory behind it is that as the exhaust from the engine draws air through the firebox it drags coal with it so by creating a big ol pile at the back the coal gets dragged forward to the front and sides preventing the fireman from needing to shovel as much to the front which on an incline at 25 mph is very difficult to do especially with the rocking of the loco. It is worth saying however that not every fireman uses this method and the fireman in this video does seem to over fire a little bit as he blows off twice.
@@RobertdMacGregor Ah. Interesting. I didn't know that. Thanks both of you for putting me right. My experience was a bit limited, just Beyer Garrats and old North British locos. (Rhodesia Railways 12 , 14 and 16A classes).
The fireman has not had time to fill the back end up so he is playing catch up, if he had a back end on he would not need to pick up the shovel until after Kingthorpe, I know I fire and drive the NYMR.
@anna jeannette Dixon It's not bad practice of firing, "little and often six shovels" going up hill on some steep grades for a well on continuous 5+ miles with load 7 - nearly fully loaded - won't keep the train going from Levisham to Goathland summit. It is better to build the fire high at the platform, let the pressure come round and let the loco work itself, rather then putting new coal on on the climb which can restrict and block main and secondary airways the loco has created itself, along with needing to try and keep or gain pressure against the injectors.
I would say the Fireman is making work for him self .All most firing none stop then Blowing all his hard work out of the roof.
Brilliant video well done great camera work as usual as well Philip
@fenderibo He pumps the regulator as to not put too much steam into the cylinders which would cause a slip, but the loco gets stuck in 'dead centre' so has to wind it into forward, get it to move, then wind it back and start again.
Thats what you call a fire!
Its an amazing bit of film that is. Just shows what NYMR is all about, still firing the old fashioned way of firing up to the door on the slope. Mind you, with those gradients I'm guessing that you wouldn't keep steam for long if you didn't! I fire on the Battlefield Line, 5 miles and fairly flat so seeing this is amazing :) 5*
NYMR one of my most favourite places on earth
That coal is quite small compared to what we use on the KWVR sometimes
I'll be honest i'd have thought you got it from the same supplier but geographically you're certainly not close to each other.
Fair play but Firing when the loco blowing it nuts off where is the sense in that pry tell
wow what a back end!
I maybe wrong but I thought all the hard work was between Grosmont and Goathland and didn't he leave Pickering. But hey what do I know, thanks for posting.
There is quite a climb between Levisham and Goathland Summit.
There is an old black and white film about firing steam locos on You Tube which shows exactly how it should be done.
3:48 ITS FLETCH! RIP Fletch
A first class engine man and excellent driver sadly missed. Like Fletchs Headboard on 45212 since it was an ex Lostock Hall based loco
So I've fired in the US and the gentleman that taught me to fire since I was left handed was left corner left front right front right back center then sides. Why did he pile it up on the firebox door?
As you probably know all locos have difference characterists when it comes to how they are fired to obtain the best results with regards maintaining boiler pressure while under load. In the case of a LMS Black 5 loco, one method that works well is to have a high back end, fire over the flap and keep the front of the firebox fairly thin. The blast from the fire will carry coal from the back end to where the loco needs it. The fireman can top the back end up with coal on the move and occasionally fire the front, sides and middle of the box, as required. And open the back damper two notches to allow primary air into the firebox at the back end to aid combustion.
There other techniques. On this occasion the crewainly fire the back end.
@@nymrfootage very cool. Thanks for the reply.
I don’t know much about firing a steam locomotive for real, but I would think that you’re not supposed to allow the fire mass to accumulate right around the firebox. I would think the fire would be more effective/efficient if the fire mass was spread evenly throughout the entire firebox.
you are right you do want a nice even fire around the box but the method behind this is because this loco is a two cylinder loco you get a rocking motion as when the cylinders fire they pull the loco from side to side so by filling the back right up by the door the rocking motion of the loco naturally shifts the coal down the box witch makes you life as a fireman easier so you dont have to throw coal all the way down the box that often hope I made sence and helped answer your question lol
@@stephenmccarthy465 it's also because black fives prefer a big back end and steam more efficiently that way
Why oh why does endless footage of chucking coal into a firebox seem to make for good steam enthusiast video? Yes its a steam train and it has to be fed by coal... But ... the engine also had to be started and stopped. The footplate crew have to cope with gradients, speed restrictions and signalling. boiler levels need to be maintained. the cut off needs to be adjusted, Cylinder cox used etc. It is not all about chucking coal into a firebox.
The Mekon Lord of the Treens I agree, they could’ve at least shown some shots out of the loco?
Good video, nice to see the footplate ride of a black five, lovely whistle, i think the fireman is putting too much coal on as it blows off twice and has black smoke some of the time.
Well over fired,no wonder it kept blowing off and that black smoke.
Heard black smoke is not burning efficiently. Grey is best so have been told.
What was 45212s name?
As far as I know the only name 45212 carried for a short period was Roy “ Corkey “ Green. It's no longer called that now. That was around 2011.
nymrfootage ah, thank you
@@Bahamas-rd8le When 45212 returned to steam in 2002 by the NYMR it carried the name Roy 'Korky' Green because he was one of the volunteers who helped the overhaul with NYMR benefactor Pete Best, but Roy died in 2001 and never got to see 45212 return to steam in 2002 for the Autumn Gala. I hope that answers your question?
@@carolinesteam1881 yep that’s answers it, what a shame - but atleast it was named after him!
@@Bahamas-rd8le Yes only temporary. In about June 2011, one month before the loco return to the KWVR it carried the nameplates once again and they had not been back on since.
well the coal is small and it small it burns more qickely
I'm no expert on steam engines but I know your not supposed to coal layer in the door of the fire box
Its an old fashioned technique. The theory behind it is that as the exhaust from the engine draws air through the firebox it drags coal with it so by creating a big ol pile at the back the coal gets dragged forward to the front and sides preventing the fireman from needing to shovel as much to the front which on an incline at 25 mph is very difficult to do especially with the rocking of the loco. It is worth saying however that not every fireman uses this method and the fireman in this video does seem to over fire a little bit as he blows off twice.
That fireman is an amateur. You don't pour it in the door, you throw and get the back corners
I agree the black fives Like a big back end not so much at the front so that's why he is building it up at the back
Depends on the loco. Many engines I fire love a thick back end a sloped fire
@@RobertdMacGregor Ah. Interesting. I didn't know that. Thanks both of you for putting me right. My experience was a bit limited, just Beyer Garrats and old North British locos. (Rhodesia Railways 12 , 14 and 16A classes).
The fireman has not had time to fill the back end up so he is playing catch up, if he had a back end on he would not need to pick up the shovel until after Kingthorpe, I know I fire and drive the NYMR.
Cool! Thought he was over firing. What locos have you fired there?
well very good filming of bad practice of firing just wasting good coal little and often six shoves is enough
Thats the way they did it on the mainline back in the 30's. At 50mph+ and not 25mph
@@georgemoffatt6273 there's an LMS training film on UA-cam that says just that. And on a black 5.
@anna jeannette Dixon It's not bad practice of firing, "little and often six shovels" going up hill on some steep grades for a well on continuous 5+ miles with load 7 - nearly fully loaded - won't keep the train going from Levisham to Goathland summit. It is better to build the fire high at the platform, let the pressure come round and let the loco work itself, rather then putting new coal on on the climb which can restrict and block main and secondary airways the loco has created itself, along with needing to try and keep or gain pressure against the injectors.