Fun fact about this stream. 1 hour of footage of Carl failing to jump on the bomb was cut. The editors listen most of the time but missed a few. It is hard when you have so much to cut and keep track of.
20:40 for a pretty solid troll game there is "I Wanna Be The Guy," even going into it expecting trolls will troll many people. It constantly sets up expectations and then subverts them moments later. That mixed in with a bit of random unexpected moments makes it a pretty good troll game, especially considering when it initially came out.
I love the baba is you custom levels, on 42:15 you can some of the crazy shit that goes on to make the doom work and i find it so interesting yet too complicated to understand
In the very top left it says "BABA is 3D YOU" which must be the trigger for the FPV style... the rest looks like it just controls how the other objects move and interact, especially for the custom shooting mechanic. I think that if you removed the "3D" and just made it "BABA is YOU" it would act like a normal BABA game (top down 2d view), the question is how much they had to modify the game engine to support 3D... and honestly even with a stock game I feel like the shooting mechanic could actually work, I think that would be really cool to see in more custom maps Edit to add: And the bomb mechanic too, I hadn't yet watched the entire video... wow that's super cool
Barely 40 seconds in and already the biggest troll to Carl is Carl himself Edit: Apparently, the most difficult enemy in MM2 is a Bob-Omb on top of a Muncher. Who knew?
20:30 Carl is talking about the possibility of making a troll game from scratch, without expectations. This is basically what "I wanna be the guy" (and the entire genre of fangames that spawned from it) is.
I definitely agree with this. Now that Pandora's box has been opened, and other games are on the table, Mega Man Maker was on the top of my list of games that fit.
Carl, it's been some time, and I will say this : no matter what you upload, I love it. Spaghetti, Science, and Subtlety is what's amazing when it comes to creating content like this!
20:11 A game that came to my mind is What The Golf? It's a funny golf game that is fairly simple. You set the direction and power of your shot and you try to get to the hole. The challenge involved is to accomplish the goal under par. Thing is it starts messing with the formula pretty quickly like you are actually shooting the power bar, or the putter instead of the ball. Each area teaches you the gimmick, so you have loads of ways to subvert your expectations for laughs.
Super levels from everyone. Love the Mecha Koopa masterpiece, baba fish doom, lava troll, "one screen..." Most of all, Mari0 is truly genius and should have some port(al) to the commercially marketed nintendo game series 👍
If I had a nickel for every time that Carl died from walking into a bomb in this level, I'd have 2 nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
I agree 100% about Mario working so good for trolls because of its familiarity and that's the reason that broken track levels just aren't very fun to watch other than just to see the cool setups. It takes away the fun of guessing "what could go wrong?" or "how am I going to end up there?" Because the answer could literally be anything and it's impossible to predict.
Carl, thank you so much for all the wonderful moments watching your videos That’s the kind of content that help me get through for years, now And thank you, Mario community ❤
Yeah, moving/weighted platforms in original SMB aren’t semi-solid. Also, that bouncy stuff (the blue gel) and the player launcher in the floor are both elements from the Portal games.
"This troll is so obvious," says Carl, dying. "It isn't even really a troll," says Carl, falling for everything again. "This is disrespectful," he adds, jumping up and down on the button labeled "Instant Death - DO NOT PUSH".
41:51 you make the sentence, “baba is 3d” and that happens. It’s really confusing in some levels. Also that was added in an update from the devs where they added the museum (scrapped level ideas) and a new adventure
20:30 wouldnt that be something like i wanna be the guy and its countless spin offs? some are more frustration inducing than others but this basically the premise....
20:40 the game that comes to mind for a platforming game that might come close to this is the flash game or games(?) that go by the name “this is the only level” staring an elephant if I remember correctly.
If you're looking for a game that is, at its core, made up of trolls, I must once again recommend La-Mulana to you. The game is constantly subverting itself and its genre to make funny moments that punish you. Also, it's primarily a puzzle platformer and the rest of the game is quite good outside of the trolls as well.
I second this, La-Mulana is absolutely amazing. The story and lore is so deep, too... Honestly I'd pay to watch you play through La-Mulana, and La-Mulana 2 if you enjoy the first one. One cool thing about it that might appeal to your scientist brain, Carl, is that the puzzles involve a lot of thinking outside of the box, and even taking notes of what the stone tablets say, because chances are they'll become relevant later on.
Loved the discussion on what makes trolls work (or not). Trolls work by breaking the rules in ways which are clever and tasteful... but it doesn't work when there are no rules or when the player doesn't know the rules. So it requires a game with well-known rules (i.e. Mario Maker), or it requires teaching the player the rules before breaking them. A troll subverts expectations in funny ways, but it requires that the player knows what to expect.
You can totally make a completely troll game because there's expectation just from it being a game. When you boot up an FPS game, you expect WASD to move, mouse to aim, left click shoot, space climb/jump, headshots do critical damage, etc, etc... The expectations are always there
I would totally watch more Mari0 videos, it's my favorite remix of the original game and the CC is excellent. I'd definitely recommend playing through Portal 2 first though, since it integrates those mechanics into the level editor.
There was that flash game where you play as an elephant that had to get to a pipe. It was a 1 level game and each time you went into the pipe it changed how you had to win.
The word trolling originally meant "Noob Detection" so an idiot detector is the purest form of a troll. The word comes from asking a question that has already been discussed to death to find the newbies who would earnestly discuss, cause they weren't there for the first time.
The best game I can recommend for Carl is Eryi's Action. A few others also recommended it. Cute platformer, not too long, about a dozen levels, and some of them are a bit different.
who else thinks someone is gonna make a level out there for the contest that is "one screen troll level" they say "well Its one screen per troll, does that count?" no thats a one troll screen level!
Hi Carl, I'm not sure if you have seen Eryi's Action game but is an old troll game for pc that you may like, you reminded me of it when you were talking about how someone can achive making a troll game.
I really miss carl playing Baba is You. It's such an amazing and very innovative puzzle game. You should try out the new adventures update sometime, which is essentially new words and new music!
You dont realize just often the editor zooms in on Carl until your video player is suddenly glitchy and freezes every time the editor zooms in on Carl.
When Carl was talking about other troll games that were designed to be that way I immediately thought of “I wanna be the guy”. That was an intentional troll platformer from the start
Dude great video too full of content. Love the science talks after tho, but this was great. Went by quick. Tho now my wife is asleep and gonna yell that I didn’t see her.
For the Baba Doom level, that's just. in the game. making the rule "Baba is 3D" makes the game first person, and there's tons of stuff behind the scenes (You can tell from the background sounds) to make the level play like Doom. For example, one way (idk if this is how D4 did it, but it's one method I know of) to make the gun is "Idle Baba Make Dot" So that the Dot (Representing the bullet) is made when Space is pressed (that's the 'Idle' condition), And from there, "Dot is Auto/Move" Makes the dot move like a bullet, "Dot is Weak" would make it so that when the dot collides with anything (bat, wall, etc.) it gets destroyed (and thus you can't shoot through walls), and finally "Bat on Dot is Weak" Makes it so that bats get killed by the Dot. There's obviously more going on in the level, but yeah Baba is You can do crazy things, and the craziest are just in the game vanilla. Very cool!
Carl likely hasn't played the game since the extended word library was added with the level editor + bonus levels update. "3D" isn't a word in the base game.
Yeah it’s a great puzzle game and the difficulty is pretty fair with it being easy at the beginning but at the end you want to shoot yourself because looking at screen for hours
just imagine in shadekitty’s collab level ..they somehow made a fake ending lint using some sort of blackhole glitch and you had to enter the secret lava pipe to twice to get to the real one.
I thought of a music pun...
but I'll refrain.
You should give the puns a rest.
Made my day :D
Finally early lol
That one came out rather flat
groaner.
Fun fact about this stream.
1 hour of footage of Carl failing to jump on the bomb was cut. The editors listen most of the time but missed a few. It is hard when you have so much to cut and keep track of.
How much more did he die to it?
@@DragonPanda4 1 hour
20:40 for a pretty solid troll game there is "I Wanna Be The Guy," even going into it expecting trolls will troll many people. It constantly sets up expectations and then subverts them moments later. That mixed in with a bit of random unexpected moments makes it a pretty good troll game, especially considering when it initially came out.
I wanted to mention that. It's certainly one of the most famous original troll games.
@@MarioFanGamer659trap adventure 2 is also a famous troll platformer game
I wanna be the boshy imo is better than the guy
Larl: “Delete that one from UA-cam.”
Editor: “Sure thing, Carl.”
Also Editor: *[zooms in and replays clip at 1/2 speed]*
10:28 If the original message had said "HI!" then the left over would have said .._. which is "F" in morse code.
5:05 It's great to see that 7 years later the Carlbox is still in full effect.
"Genocide was one of the hardest things I've done, I hated every minute of it" - Carl, 2023
quotes out of context
I love the baba is you custom levels, on 42:15 you can some of the crazy shit that goes on to make the doom work and i find it so interesting yet too complicated to understand
In the very top left it says "BABA is 3D YOU" which must be the trigger for the FPV style... the rest looks like it just controls how the other objects move and interact, especially for the custom shooting mechanic. I think that if you removed the "3D" and just made it "BABA is YOU" it would act like a normal BABA game (top down 2d view), the question is how much they had to modify the game engine to support 3D... and honestly even with a stock game I feel like the shooting mechanic could actually work, I think that would be really cool to see in more custom maps
Edit to add: And the bomb mechanic too, I hadn't yet watched the entire video... wow that's super cool
On top of that, A New Adventure even features a world with other gameplay being recreated in Baba Is You so Hempuli knew about this potential already.
@@aaronjamtBaba is 3D is actually from a free DLC
@@MarioFanGamer659 Oh, really?! I need to check that out, then!
Barely 40 seconds in and already the biggest troll to Carl is Carl himself
Edit: Apparently, the most difficult enemy in MM2 is a Bob-Omb on top of a Muncher. Who knew?
It gets better at 6:15.
Edit: It gets betterer at 15:46.
Wait that was a planned troll I think ;)
I've heard Boom Boom with a Muncher (televised) might be worse
The editor woke up this morning and chose violence. And we’re all better for it! 😂
Comedy comes in threes!
And we're all better for it? Like morally or like... mentally?
@@boxcar9407In every way, fellow acolyte, in every way...
A creative troll game already exists.
It's called "What the Golf?"
Carl played some of it 👀
What the Golf is one of the greats
20:30 Carl is talking about the possibility of making a troll game from scratch, without expectations. This is basically what "I wanna be the guy" (and the entire genre of fangames that spawned from it) is.
I Wanna Be The Guy is a great example of a creative troll game; despite using lots of borrowed assets, the trolls are mostly taught ingame.
I'm really surprised no one mentioned this once
It seems to so heavily inform SMM troll levels.
Play the original Owata's Life troll game first
I'd love to see someone make a Mega Man Maker Troll. That game seems like it would have a lot of potential for goofy setups.
I definitely agree with this. Now that Pandora's box has been opened, and other games are on the table, Mega Man Maker was on the top of my list of games that fit.
Personally, I would to see a Celeste Troll level, with the dream blocks, the dash blocks and wind. You can make a really good troll level
@@walkingterror7360 I made one and there are a couple more submitted. I believe there is some mega man maker too
on the june 6th stream he said there were some submitted to the any game troll contest but he hadn't downloaded it yet
Well chief, I believe ya might just get what you want. I think at least four levels were submitted in MMM, and I cannot wait for them to be played.
48:20 "level is auto" is a nice touch
8:22 I have an idiot detector, too. _points at Carl_ See? It’s working right now.
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Carl, it's been some time, and I will say this : no matter what you upload, I love it. Spaghetti, Science, and Subtlety is what's amazing when it comes to creating content like this!
The cheers and instant replay when Carl does a dum jump is my favorite new joke.
20:11 A game that came to my mind is What The Golf?
It's a funny golf game that is fairly simple. You set the direction and power of your shot and you try to get to the hole. The challenge involved is to accomplish the goal under par. Thing is it starts messing with the formula pretty quickly like you are actually shooting the power bar, or the putter instead of the ball. Each area teaches you the gimmick, so you have loads of ways to subvert your expectations for laughs.
i knew broken tracks could do a lot, but i didn't know they could be elevator buttons
Super levels from everyone. Love the Mecha Koopa masterpiece, baba fish doom, lava troll, "one screen..." Most of all, Mari0 is truly genius and should have some port(al) to the commercially marketed nintendo game series 👍
If I had a nickel for every time that Carl died from walking into a bomb in this level, I'd have 2 nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
9:40 - comedy comes in threes
I think the best idiot detector is a box in the center of the screen, constructed of tracks, with a shiny item block firmly planted within
"A game made entirely of troll levels." Yes. Such as the "I Wanna Be the Guy" series and its spin-offs.
I can tell the editor have a lot of fun editing this 🤣 showing Carl idiot detector and the fast forward one screen troll puzzle
I agree 100% about Mario working so good for trolls because of its familiarity and that's the reason that broken track levels just aren't very fun to watch other than just to see the cool setups. It takes away the fun of guessing "what could go wrong?" or "how am I going to end up there?" Because the answer could literally be anything and it's impossible to predict.
I like how Doki Doki Literature Club falls somewhat under the definition of "troll game" at about 20:00
edit: just fixing a typo
You know it's a good level when Carl intentionally hits all the trolls, even the one at the very end.
In regards to the troll style game. There is one I played called I Wanna Be The Guy IWBTG, which very well fits that idea!
Carl, thank you so much for all the wonderful moments watching your videos
That’s the kind of content that help me get through for years, now
And thank you, Mario community
❤
Ok, now Doom literally runs on anything! This is crazy!! ^^
Yeah, moving/weighted platforms in original SMB aren’t semi-solid. Also, that bouncy stuff (the blue gel) and the player launcher in the floor are both elements from the Portal games.
Carl we need chat replay for these. I bet chat's reactions are great
@2:55 love when trollmaker make live updates to the lvls ^^
Carl: How have I never seen this?
Also Carl: *dozens of videos on UA-cam where the exact same thing happens to him*
carl vids are always great, but this one might be one of my favorites in years lol. ty carl and dave
"This troll is so obvious," says Carl, dying.
"It isn't even really a troll," says Carl, falling for everything again.
"This is disrespectful," he adds, jumping up and down on the button labeled "Instant Death - DO NOT PUSH".
41:51 you make the sentence, “baba is 3d” and that happens. It’s really confusing in some levels.
Also that was added in an update from the devs where they added the museum (scrapped level ideas) and a new adventure
Kosmic needs to play the Stevo troll level.
20:30 wouldnt that be something like i wanna be the guy and its countless spin offs? some are more frustration inducing than others but this basically the premise....
Baba is Doom, aka "What in the Shin Megami Tensei"
Ah, I see DToTheFourth has engaged in the standard proof of Turing Complete-ness
20:40 the game that comes to mind for a platforming game that might come close to this is the flash game or games(?) that go by the name “this is the only level” staring an elephant if I remember correctly.
18:40 Wtf Legend of Legaia, nobody ever remembers that game. I loved the input based combat.
Carl is just like the 12th Doctor
Both say "I am an idiot! With a box"
The first death wasn't even a troll, it was just Carl.
“i wanna be the guy” and many other games in the style i think fit the bill for troll platformer
33:44 - _"SURPRISE!_ We're doing it now!" -Wheatley
the editing on this video is Mwah chefs kiss, top notch, whoever is doing something differently, keep doing that thing haha
Thanks for all the idiot detector inserts and fun "UA-cam" stuff. ^^
As always hilarious and awesome content!
The Mecha Koopas are the most silly enemies in the Mario universe
Toadette at 51:51 is *SUPER ADORABLE!!!* "Nice!" ❤😍❤
If you're looking for a game that is, at its core, made up of trolls, I must once again recommend La-Mulana to you. The game is constantly subverting itself and its genre to make funny moments that punish you. Also, it's primarily a puzzle platformer and the rest of the game is quite good outside of the trolls as well.
I second this, La-Mulana is absolutely amazing. The story and lore is so deep, too... Honestly I'd pay to watch you play through La-Mulana, and La-Mulana 2 if you enjoy the first one.
One cool thing about it that might appeal to your scientist brain, Carl, is that the puzzles involve a lot of thinking outside of the box, and even taking notes of what the stone tablets say, because chances are they'll become relevant later on.
After watching you play portal mario, I really want to see you do a playthrough of Portal & Portal 2, I think you'd love it Carl!
More Baba! Excited to see it!
6:36 - The “ANIMATION” of “THE BLUE KOOPA” when it comes out of the pipe: “PSYDUCK’S ARTIC COUSIN”!!!!!
Loved the discussion on what makes trolls work (or not). Trolls work by breaking the rules in ways which are clever and tasteful... but it doesn't work when there are no rules or when the player doesn't know the rules. So it requires a game with well-known rules (i.e. Mario Maker), or it requires teaching the player the rules before breaking them. A troll subverts expectations in funny ways, but it requires that the player knows what to expect.
~18:38 2 names back to back that i never thought i'd hear again gave me so much whiplash that i need a neck brace
23:30 STEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE...
Amazing how Carl managed to never fail a single jump.
You can totally make a completely troll game because there's expectation just from it being a game.
When you boot up an FPS game, you expect WASD to move, mouse to aim, left click shoot, space climb/jump, headshots do critical damage, etc, etc... The expectations are always there
I would totally watch more Mari0 videos, it's my favorite remix of the original game and the CC is excellent. I'd definitely recommend playing through Portal 2 first though, since it integrates those mechanics into the level editor.
There was that flash game where you play as an elephant that had to get to a pipe. It was a 1 level game and each time you went into the pipe it changed how you had to win.
There's actually already a troll game made that was super popular. I Wanna Be The Guy. It works by basically being a Mario-esque platformer.
You beat me to it
I think baba is you has become one of my favorite games. More please
21:10 A troll game that I feel like fits those criteria perfectly is
41:02 I made a Baba is You anti: AVKR-GA4U
So glad to be participating in this community. Love the videos
Also, sry Dave
The word trolling originally meant "Noob Detection" so an idiot detector is the purest form of a troll. The word comes from asking a question that has already been discussed to death to find the newbies who would earnestly discuss, cause they weren't there for the first time.
The best game I can recommend for Carl is Eryi's Action. A few others also recommended it. Cute platformer, not too long, about a dozen levels, and some of them are a bit different.
who else thinks someone is gonna make a level out there for the contest that is "one screen troll level" they say "well Its one screen per troll, does that count?" no thats a one troll screen level!
Hi Carl, I'm not sure if you have seen Eryi's Action game but is an old troll game for pc that you may like, you reminded me of it when you were talking about how someone can achive making a troll game.
Would definitely recommend playing that game. The main antagonist is even an actual troll.
23:36 what terrifying clip to take out of context
I love how everything in that troll level was basically "think fast chucklenut"
The I Wanna Be The Guy games are examples of troll games.
I really miss carl playing Baba is You. It's such an amazing and very innovative puzzle game. You should try out the new adventures update sometime, which is essentially new words and new music!
20:10 I wanna be the guy is basically just trolls after trolls
They've already made a "Troll Game" platformer a long time ago: I Wanna Be The Guy.
@3:20 Mechakoopas. You use them to defeat Bowser in SMW.
You dont realize just often the editor zooms in on Carl until your video player is suddenly glitchy and freezes every time the editor zooms in on Carl.
That baba is doom level reminds me of what some of the little big planet creators were pulling off towards the end of that games relevancy
21:05 troll levels/games are the looney tunes of video games; they’re funny because they subvert your expectations.
When Carl was talking about other troll games that were designed to be that way I immediately thought of “I wanna be the guy”. That was an intentional troll platformer from the start
I feel like I wanna be the guy is the kind of troll game you talk about in this episode
I’m so glad you found the masterpiece that is mari0 it’s so good would love to see you play it more
Dude great video too full of content. Love the science talks after tho, but this was great. Went by quick. Tho now my wife is asleep and gonna yell that I didn’t see her.
For the Baba Doom level, that's just. in the game. making the rule "Baba is 3D" makes the game first person, and there's tons of stuff behind the scenes (You can tell from the background sounds) to make the level play like Doom. For example, one way (idk if this is how D4 did it, but it's one method I know of) to make the gun is "Idle Baba Make Dot" So that the Dot (Representing the bullet) is made when Space is pressed (that's the 'Idle' condition), And from there, "Dot is Auto/Move" Makes the dot move like a bullet, "Dot is Weak" would make it so that when the dot collides with anything (bat, wall, etc.) it gets destroyed (and thus you can't shoot through walls), and finally "Bat on Dot is Weak" Makes it so that bats get killed by the Dot. There's obviously more going on in the level, but yeah Baba is You can do crazy things, and the craziest are just in the game vanilla. Very cool!
Carl likely hasn't played the game since the extended word library was added with the level editor + bonus levels update. "3D" isn't a word in the base game.
5:07 The classic Larl in a Box!
I heavily regret never playing Baba is You before this video. This game looks amazing.
Yeah it’s a great puzzle game and the difficulty is pretty fair with it being easy at the beginning but at the end you want to shoot yourself because looking at screen for hours
A troll based game that twice twices you after you beat it
just imagine in shadekitty’s collab level ..they somehow made a fake ending lint using some sort of blackhole glitch and you had to enter the secret lava pipe to twice to get to the real one.
20:46 “Impossible game” is one such game that is a troll game
Bomb checkpoint blue pipe troll was chef's kiss.
*Note block plays* "What was that sound effect? I've never heard that sound effect."
20:00 Carl spends two straight minutes describing I Wanna Be the Guy. XD
My thoughts exactly lol
the cheering every time you fucked up a jump was killing me lmao
21:12 And that game is called, Default Dan ;)
That first jump was even funnier the second time LMAO
back in my day the "idiot detector" was called "noob protection" because it stops noobs from getting any further
How to make a troll level: Write "softlocks intended" so when people find softlocks, they will assume they're intended. I'm learning :D