Remember when people thought Link was at least top 10 at the beginning of Ultimate? Now he's C+ on the tier list, being on the lower half of the tier list. Truly a fall from grace my boi Link had to go through 😔
@@datasocra Nah, I think Link is high tier at best(probably the in the lower top tier if played perfectly), he just need more representation in tournaments and he’ll be back on high tier
@@leonardomartinez6887honestly if he had potential he wouldn’t be in C+ tier. Him being that high initially was the neon sign to give him a shot, no one having done that makes it self evident that he’s just bad.
@@leonardomartinez6887link is so hard to play optimally if you’re not just spamming neutral air so most people just prefer steve and game and watch now who are significantly easier and better. free my boy link 😢
Pichu was inevitable just cause of his nerfs, Inkling didn't really have many changes and now is pretty irrelevant. The meta really hasn't been kind to her
@@imSBFPeople definitely overblow the nerfs, though. Don't get me wrong, they definitely had a big impact, but Pichu would've fallen down to mid tier anyway just because of meta development throughout the years
@@typhlosion7872Without nerfs he would’ve fallen to high tier. I’ve put in quite a bit of time with pichu, and that self damage and knockback needs REALLY hit.
Inkling's story is similar to Pichu and Chrom's. Their hype early on was due to a fresh and unoptimized meta, along with players unfamiliar in the MU as they were new additions in this type of environment. (Especially with the lack resources such as frame data and hitbox visuals) Not even mentioning DLC taking the limelight.
Before watching this video, Lucina would be my answer. She went from pretty definitively being the best sword fighter to being ranked 8th best sword fighter on the current tier list. Pretty much every early top 10 included her, but now she might not even be high tier.
5:08 - Inkling was also given buffs to her Forward and Up Tilt, F-Tilt dealing more damage and U-Tilt having an extended hitbox from behind but neither significantly gave Inkling an edge over the roster for the most part.
Great analysis of Inkling's evolution in Smash Ultimate! It's fascinating to see how a character that was initially top-tier has dropped so much in the meta over the years. The way players gradually learned to counter her strengths, like the Splat Roller and her neutral game, really highlights how important adaptation is in fighting games. It's also interesting that despite her weaknesses, players like ShirYuki are still able to make Inkling shine, showing that there’s still potential left to explore. I’m hoping we might see a bit of a resurgence in future tournaments! Thanks for the retrospective.
Big thanks to the high level Inkling Discord for their insight on Inkling and helping me with parts of the script! Let me know what you'd like to see next, and I hope you enjoyed the video 🙏
It's Inkling, always was overrated. People complained about Side B even though it was easily countered. Character fishes for grabs and spams bair makes her very linear. She lacks any real combo game when compared to her contemporaries like Sheik, Pikachu, or Fox that can combo or frame trap you into a combo. She struggles to kill reliably. Splat Bomb are too costly as a resource that has very low kill power or usefulness in neutral tool compared to other bombs. A lot of buttons that are lacking as tools. She's great at edge guarding...for a different game. Ult has a purposely designed philosophy for insane recoveries just for casuals to keep matches going.
Ult was purposefully designed with speeding up matches, with aerials suffering less endlag and every characters being generally faster, both vertically and horizontally. Matches last shorter, *USUALLY* (Sonix is the only player who even relied on running out of time, I don't think there is anyone else doing that) considering everyone kills eachother faster with the increased speed and 1.2x damage multipliers in 1v1s.
@@vivelespatat2670 Your first paragraph is right, faster control of the characters was intentionally designed for more fun handling the character esp with the universal jump squats and aerial endlag changes. However, the game is designed primarily for Casuals in mind and recoveries were intentionally made ridiculous so that players could get back on stage and continue fighting for more enjoyment. Just as you mentioned about the multipliers, it decreases with more players increasing the amount of scrapping.
The fact it was obvious this was gonna happen during the first month or two of the game makes me both proud that I called it and depressed because it happened. Hopefully next time they remember to give her kill moves.
There are so many characters in Ultimate that would be top 20 right now if it weren’t for the polarizing DLC releases. Almost every DLC release in Ultimate to date, offered an unfavorable or outright bad matchup to Ness, knocking him down far further than he ever needed to be. Ness is now largely meta-irrelevant in a game where he’s stronger than he’s ever been.
Remember when armoured Samus was considered a mid tier at best offline, and when ZSS was called "good samus"? Early Ultimate is hilarious to look at with a modern eye
I think Joker fell off for me. He wasn't useful for me anymore in Ultimate so when I dropped him in five seconds for Sephiroth, I NEVER went back to using him. However, I trained my Joker amiibo and that toy is a MONSTER. I have both Joker and Sephiroth's amiibo and they're my two favorite boys! And both of them are terrifying!
Inkling main here. Inkling isn't that bad versus Steve. No idea what that Discord is talking about. She has a very powerful tool to fight against walls. You can throw a Splat Bomb over the wall forcing Steve to sheild and allowing for approaches. It's pretty full proof, you just need to be careful of Minecart, but this can be baited. It's still a hard matchup because Steve is broken, but Fox and Peach cause more problems for Inkling than Steve. Peach can't be buried by Roller outside of tech chases due to Float while also just being a lot harder to deal with in neutral while Fox just runs Inking over in nuetral and can't be comboed because he falls so fast that he falls out of Inkling combos. Also not listing Snake as a notable good matchup is odd considering it's an even better matchup for them than any of those you listed (Splattershot blows up grenades, even latger uthrow uair window). And for aspiring Inkling mains, Inkling's poor oos game is somewhat mitigated by parrying or by using movement over sheilding to avoid attacks. Inkling has a top 5 dash in the game. If you can shift your muscle memory to dash certain attacks rather than sheild and get good enough at parrying most of the rest, this weakness becomes less problematic. It's a tall ask and it's why I'd argue Inkling is harder to use at high level than many other characters but it's feasible. Also, SPAM GRAB, ESPECIALLY DASH GRAB. Like the UA-cam said, holding sheild is good against mashy Inklings. You can use this to your advantage. Conditioning sheild with bair and Roller attempts can net you a LOT of free grabs. Make use of empty land grabs too, and look to crossup sheilds against characters with weak out of sheild options behind them (SIGNIFICANT ROB WEAKNESS).
This is a great question. I genuinely think it's probably Fox. He's always been towards the bottom end of top 10 throughout the game's lifespan and even now he's typically considered to still be there. I can't really think of another really good character who's just been in a similar tier postion for the entirety of the meta.
Mega Man is another contender for most fallen off character. Started the game as a top tier with broken tech like macro cancels, got nerfed in 2.0, and is now seen as mid tier (one spot above Inkling funny enough).
Wolf has the same problem as other top characters from the beginning, such as Inkling, Pichu, Chrom etc to where people just figured out how to fight them and they dont have enough X factor to keep up with today's meta characters. Sad my main Wolf is considered A tier now
I'm sorry, but I have to correct you on this. The character that fell off the hardest is actually King K. Rool. Bro went from top 1 the release date to bottom 3 now. The croc was the best character in the game for around 24 hours because no one knew how to fight him and casuals lose to super armor moves by default, so it was kind of a Smash 4 Little Mac situation. After a week, everyone with a brain had already realized the character is truly awful, unless you don't know what you're doing. XD
@@hooparainbowbraceypkmonand7862 what palu has been able to take any majors or pose any sort of real threat for the last 2 years? Chag, Chase, and Lui$ have only had worse results as time goes on. Whereas Olimar players like Shuton are progressively getting better with Olimar's combo and neutral optimization. Palu's nerfs for dash attack and down throw->bair were significant if you had played her beforehand.
Definitely Steve. He's definitely not the best character right now. I definitely think it's definitely Steve. He is not the best character ever right now. Such a fall off I definitely think it's Steve.
lmfao i dont have to watch this video to tell you its inkling, i mained her since day 1 and remember getting ridiculed for abusing the broken new character. turns out people were just losing to me lol...
Yeah I remember Japan seemed to rate him super highly. People discussed him having little to no bad matchups but yeah then he didn't really go anywhere hahaha
KRool never saw significant results even before he was patched so I wouldn't consider him to really have a drop off as he didn't do much in the first place
Yeah she definitely fell off, but honestly I think she’s still a good character. Most of her players just started to favor better characters after a while.
@@highonboba172 The majority of characters only have 1 top 25 ranked player repping them/the peeps that win majors. point is Joker has 4 ranked players, arguably 6 including secondaries vs inklings 1. the character didn't fall off. Omega just won dreamhack...
Joker, Aegis, Kazooya, and, to a much lesser extent, Steve have all pushed the power difference in characters to the extreme. A worlds-best Corin would be demolished by a joker spamming nothing but dash at 2m gsp😂
@@nicolask.3825 Pichu got gutted harder and earlier to where one update singlehandedly killed Pichu whereas you said, Inkling lost relevance when the pandemic hit.
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Remember when people thought Link was at least top 10 at the beginning of Ultimate? Now he's C+ on the tier list, being on the lower half of the tier list. Truly a fall from grace my boi Link had to go through 😔
I think he has potential to be at least at the top of high tier, but sadly almost no one play him 😢
Link still top 10 lol he’s broken as hell😂
@@datasocra Nah, I think Link is high tier at best(probably the in the lower top tier if played perfectly), he just need more representation in tournaments and he’ll be back on high tier
@@leonardomartinez6887honestly if he had potential he wouldn’t be in C+ tier. Him being that high initially was the neon sign to give him a shot, no one having done that makes it self evident that he’s just bad.
@@leonardomartinez6887link is so hard to play optimally if you’re not just spamming neutral air so most people just prefer steve and game and watch now who are significantly easier and better. free my boy link 😢
A friend and i were talking last night about how pichu fell off, we never even considered inkling ur so right oml😢
Pichu was inevitable just cause of his nerfs, Inkling didn't really have many changes and now is pretty irrelevant. The meta really hasn't been kind to her
@@imSBFPeople definitely overblow the nerfs, though. Don't get me wrong, they definitely had a big impact, but Pichu would've fallen down to mid tier anyway just because of meta development throughout the years
@@typhlosion7872Without nerfs he would’ve fallen to high tier. I’ve put in quite a bit of time with pichu, and that self damage and knockback needs REALLY hit.
Wrong. Its little mac.
He fell off and couldnt make it back to stage.
lmao
and he can't recover from it
@@koiyune omg it's koiyune
Ike. Top tier early, bottom tier now
That was just mkleo
everyone knew he was solid, but no one was really thinking he was top tier, even before nerfs
yeah? if one person is getting results that means they have potential, and thats what tier lists measure
oops that was meant to be a reply
@ggjcggg no, they measure how good a character is objectively
Inkling's story is similar to Pichu and Chrom's. Their hype early on was due to a fresh and unoptimized meta, along with players unfamiliar in the MU as they were new additions in this type of environment. (Especially with the lack resources such as frame data and hitbox visuals)
Not even mentioning DLC taking the limelight.
Change up b from crom and is top 15 best character
@@anyaforger8484 Honestly yeah.
If he had Marth's Up-B, he might even be Top 5. Lol
What’s ironic is that inkling actually has a decent matchup spread into DLC, apart from Steve. She beats or goes even with the rest of them
Before watching this video, Lucina would be my answer. She went from pretty definitively being the best sword fighter to being ranked 8th best sword fighter on the current tier list. Pretty much every early top 10 included her, but now she might not even be high tier.
not being higher tier is cap, she's still really good, many ppl put her just outside of top tier
she was nerfed iirc
She was winning supermajors in 2022 up until ProtoBanham became inactive though, far from a falloff
Wasn't Ike considered the best one with chrom & shulk ( as Mr Potential ) ?
hell no. lucina is still considered good, inkling is barely seen anymore
5:08 - Inkling was also given buffs to her Forward and Up Tilt, F-Tilt dealing more damage and U-Tilt having an extended hitbox from behind but neither significantly gave Inkling an edge over the roster for the most part.
Great analysis of Inkling's evolution in Smash Ultimate! It's fascinating to see how a character that was initially top-tier has dropped so much in the meta over the years. The way players gradually learned to counter her strengths, like the Splat Roller and her neutral game, really highlights how important adaptation is in fighting games.
It's also interesting that despite her weaknesses, players like ShirYuki are still able to make Inkling shine, showing that there’s still potential left to explore. I’m hoping we might see a bit of a resurgence in future tournaments! Thanks for the retrospective.
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@@tammid8423 Unfortunately for you, no ^^’
This kinda reminds me of people thinking Mario was a solid top tier in Melee's release
Inkling received Melee's Mario treatment lol 😂
Zelda was also considered high tier in early melee
@@real.sugarconebro
How
Zelda has the best down b in melee because it turns her into sheik
Inkling doesn't even properly reflect her IP. Splatoon is all about stage control and Inkling has none of it.
I think Nintendo made Inkling a simple character because most Splatoon fans are young
The day 1 pichu vs now is my biggest dropoff
Big thanks to the high level Inkling Discord for their insight on Inkling and helping me with parts of the script!
Let me know what you'd like to see next, and I hope you enjoyed the video 🙏
Great video SBF! This was a wonderful was to spend my time, very informative and cool!
It's Inkling, always was overrated. People complained about Side B even though it was easily countered. Character fishes for grabs and spams bair makes her very linear. She lacks any real combo game when compared to her contemporaries like Sheik, Pikachu, or Fox that can combo or frame trap you into a combo. She struggles to kill reliably. Splat Bomb are too costly as a resource that has very low kill power or usefulness in neutral tool compared to other bombs. A lot of buttons that are lacking as tools. She's great at edge guarding...for a different game. Ult has a purposely designed philosophy for insane recoveries just for casuals to keep matches going.
Agree with everything except the edgeguarding she’s pretty good at that
Ult was purposefully designed with speeding up matches, with aerials suffering less endlag and every characters being generally faster, both vertically and horizontally.
Matches last shorter, *USUALLY* (Sonix is the only player who even relied on running out of time, I don't think there is anyone else doing that)
considering everyone kills eachother faster with the increased speed and 1.2x damage multipliers in 1v1s.
@@vivelespatat2670 Your first paragraph is right, faster control of the characters was intentionally designed for more fun handling the character esp with the universal jump squats and aerial endlag changes. However, the game is designed primarily for Casuals in mind and recoveries were intentionally made ridiculous so that players could get back on stage and continue fighting for more enjoyment. Just as you mentioned about the multipliers, it decreases with more players increasing the amount of scrapping.
I remember making the Boo-Yah video thinking “oh man, this is gonna get nerfed”
She got nerfed in our hearts.
I mained Inkling since day 1, Im never gonna stop either (squid sisters for smash playable)
No fr (I want off the hook playable tho lol)
Octoling playable is all i want, and please make their moveset different
Please, if any idol is gonna be a playable character it would be deep cut
@@omargoshhh8374 no
The fact it was obvious this was gonna happen during the first month or two of the game makes me both proud that I called it and depressed because it happened. Hopefully next time they remember to give her kill moves.
There are so many characters in Ultimate that would be top 20 right now if it weren’t for the polarizing DLC releases.
Almost every DLC release in Ultimate to date, offered an unfavorable or outright bad matchup to Ness, knocking him down far further than he ever needed to be. Ness is now largely meta-irrelevant in a game where he’s stronger than he’s ever been.
Its so sad too because ultimate is the best he’s ever been
he’s such a cool and fun character
4:50 BRO, WARN ME NEXT TIME 😂
Was an Inkling main since day 1 and it was so heartbreaking watching the fall off happen >:(
Remember when armoured Samus was considered a mid tier at best offline, and when ZSS was called "good samus"? Early Ultimate is hilarious to look at with a modern eye
I mean zss is still decent just not as good as she was before
2:56
YOOO, is that NiGHTS into Dreams music I hear?
Great video, i'd say the dropoff is similar to Yink, Chrom and Ike. Pichu is getting slightly better results nowadays
I think Joker fell off for me. He wasn't useful for me anymore in Ultimate so when I dropped him in five seconds for Sephiroth, I NEVER went back to using him. However, I trained my Joker amiibo and that toy is a MONSTER. I have both Joker and Sephiroth's amiibo and they're my two favorite boys! And both of them are terrifying!
Why is Wario on the thumbnail? He never fell off..
seeing month 1 tier lists in smash games will never not be wild to me
That was an outstanding move at 9:18!, what a way to end a video
Inkling main here. Inkling isn't that bad versus Steve. No idea what that Discord is talking about. She has a very powerful tool to fight against walls. You can throw a Splat Bomb over the wall forcing Steve to sheild and allowing for approaches. It's pretty full proof, you just need to be careful of Minecart, but this can be baited. It's still a hard matchup because Steve is broken, but Fox and Peach cause more problems for Inkling than Steve. Peach can't be buried by Roller outside of tech chases due to Float while also just being a lot harder to deal with in neutral while Fox just runs Inking over in nuetral and can't be comboed because he falls so fast that he falls out of Inkling combos. Also not listing Snake as a notable good matchup is odd considering it's an even better matchup for them than any of those you listed (Splattershot blows up grenades, even latger uthrow uair window).
And for aspiring Inkling mains, Inkling's poor oos game is somewhat mitigated by parrying or by using movement over sheilding to avoid attacks. Inkling has a top 5 dash in the game. If you can shift your muscle memory to dash certain attacks rather than sheild and get good enough at parrying most of the rest, this weakness becomes less problematic. It's a tall ask and it's why I'd argue Inkling is harder to use at high level than many other characters but it's feasible. Also, SPAM GRAB, ESPECIALLY DASH GRAB. Like the UA-cam said, holding sheild is good against mashy Inklings. You can use this to your advantage. Conditioning sheild with bair and Roller attempts can net you a LOT of free grabs. Make use of empty land grabs too, and look to crossup sheilds against characters with weak out of sheild options behind them (SIGNIFICANT ROB WEAKNESS).
What is the smallest character drop off?
This is a great question. I genuinely think it's probably Fox. He's always been towards the bottom end of top 10 throughout the game's lifespan and even now he's typically considered to still be there. I can't really think of another really good character who's just been in a similar tier postion for the entirety of the meta.
Wario did not fall off that hard, he’s still like top 20
NGL, seeing two of my mains in the thumbnail, implying they both fell off, hurts.
Inkling :(
might've been one of the roughest character journeys I've ever seen in any Smash
@@imSBFit sucks because i picked up inkling on release And when I learned she was seen as op I was happy but also skeptical like it doesn’t feel op 😞
Chrom
Top 10 material to Top 50
Remember when people thought Little Mac was top tier and broken on release of Sm4sh?
Also it’s easily inkling and then pichu no contest. Both top 1/2 characters with many reps who are now mid/ low high tier with few reps.
Villager was generally considered high mid at worst at the beginning of Ultimate. Everyone seems to consider him bottom 5 now though.
Mega Man is another contender for most fallen off character. Started the game as a top tier with broken tech like macro cancels, got nerfed in 2.0, and is now seen as mid tier (one spot above Inkling funny enough).
Great video chief! Writing was great!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed 🙏
@@imSBF please let me know if you need help editing! Would love to work with such good production!
In the thumbnail, Inkling easily, next question.
Wolf has fallen off way too hard, no noticeable top reps apart from ouch
Wolf has the same problem as other top characters from the beginning, such as Inkling, Pichu, Chrom etc to where people just figured out how to fight them and they dont have enough X factor to keep up with today's meta characters. Sad my main Wolf is considered A tier now
Ike?
you know for a fact this guy like rivals more given how he uses it for the background music
early ssbu top tiers that are kinda bad now:
pichu, ike, chrom, richter
Sad that inkling fell off I was so good with this character and now I can barely keep up lol
I was just expecting this to be Ike honestly
Olimar also had a pretty big drop off tbh, he got some nerfs but they weren't that bad
Wolf is a pretty good character
The sea of stars music in the background🎧 👌🏽
I'm sorry, but I have to correct you on this.
The character that fell off the hardest is actually King K. Rool.
Bro went from top 1 the release date to bottom 3 now.
The croc was the best character in the game for around 24 hours because no one knew how to fight him and casuals lose to super armor moves by default, so it was kind of a Smash 4 Little Mac situation.
After a week, everyone with a brain had already realized the character is truly awful, unless you don't know what you're doing. XD
Haven't watched yet but I sure look forward to this video on my main character Ike :D
yeah well if for whatever reason it's about someone else I still hope you find some form of enjoyment from the video 🙌
My vote was for Inkling, Pichu or Palu - glad to get it right!!
There're argument for all three for sure!
Replace palu with olimar and I agree.
wtf no isnt palu still top tier
@@hooparainbowbraceypkmonand7862 what palu has been able to take any majors or pose any sort of real threat for the last 2 years? Chag, Chase, and Lui$ have only had worse results as time goes on. Whereas Olimar players like Shuton are progressively getting better with Olimar's combo and neutral optimization. Palu's nerfs for dash attack and down throw->bair were significant if you had played her beforehand.
brother forgot about PICHU...
I think pichu fell off harder but i also think pichus nerfs were far more significant.
The rivals music is hype!
I like Kirby that pink champ is the goat he is like a handsome ditto
I always think of Pichu whenever this comes up.
Yeah but Pichu had to actually be nerfed for it in order to fall unlike the others that barely got changes
4:50 AAAAAHHHHH
I considered inkling as #2-4 for most of 2019 honestly
Pichu used to instigate straight fear, now he’s so washed it’s insane 😭
Min Min low key is in the same position
I feel like Ken had the STEEPEST drop-off. Agreed high tier for most of his life, now mid tier at the very end of Ultimate's life.
Yeah like steepest is big drop in short time while biggest drop is biggest overall
Definitely Steve. He's definitely not the best character right now. I definitely think it's definitely Steve. He is not the best character ever right now. Such a fall off I definitely think it's Steve.
Wonderful work SamBramFram
I love this game but I hate how everyone plays it.
lmfao i dont have to watch this video to tell you its inkling, i mained her since day 1 and remember getting ridiculed for abusing the broken new character. turns out people were just losing to me lol...
Ike
Not that it is much of a fall off, since they never had a consistent top level player, but remember Japan calling Greninja top 3?
Yeah I remember Japan seemed to rate him super highly. People discussed him having little to no bad matchups but yeah then he didn't really go anywhere hahaha
I think Ike dropped of harder.
But Inkling is a good take.
Joker and Wold are still top tiers. Wario is still a high tier. Inkling might very well be a mid-low tier.
Pichu it’s pichu always has been
Pichu & Olimar
Min Min for me personally
Excellent vid as always goat 🐐
Thank you for watching 🤝
imo Inkling is still A tier
haven't watched the video but it gotta be pichu
What about k rool? Didn't he go from S-tier to 3rd worst character in the game
KRool never saw significant results even before he was patched so I wouldn't consider him to really have a drop off as he didn't do much in the first place
@@imSBF understood
Yeah she definitely fell off, but honestly I think she’s still a good character. Most of her players just started to favor better characters after a while.
I never believed
Its Pichu.
Pichu?
Inkling & Wolf fell off big time
Crazy to have Joker in this conversation when Leo, Omega, Tsubaki, and Gorioka are right there.
And how many of them get good results that are not named mkleo
@@highonboba172 The majority of characters only have 1 top 25 ranked player repping them/the peeps that win majors. point is Joker has 4 ranked players, arguably 6 including secondaries vs inklings 1. the character didn't fall off. Omega just won dreamhack...
@@chrisalangreening well if you want to say that then inkling has 2 reps in space from Europe and the Japanese inkling
Joker, Aegis, Kazooya, and, to a much lesser extent, Steve have all pushed the power difference in characters to the extreme. A worlds-best Corin would be demolished by a joker spamming nothing but dash at 2m gsp😂
Erm. No
@@george2259 1v1 pussy
I want a face reveal, you sound nice
pichu fell off harder
ngl SBF fell off hard
:DDD
We're back 🙌
No mention of Pichu? Bro arguably had it worse or just as bad as Inkling
Did you even watch the whole video?
8:46 smh
Pichu and Inkling are very different in that Pichu fell off because he got nerfed, whereas Inkling just kinda... lost relevance.
@@nicolask.3825 Pichu got gutted harder and earlier to where one update singlehandedly killed Pichu whereas you said, Inkling lost relevance when the pandemic hit.
Did yall forget about ike?