I think main thing for Cata healer is that the skillgap between a good healer and a bad healer is far far more noticable than prior expansions. The mana buffer doesn't exist to be bad at healing and knowing the fights for CD usage is more important as the get out of jail "every pally has an AM or DSAC" is gone. Combine that with some tight dps checks on Heroic Prog means you can't just add more healers to compensate for bad players, this is a great expansion for skill healers.
As a long time resto druid since 2006, watching people struggle to adjust to the mastery juggle of resto druid is sad. We are pure raid healing. We don’t have much in the way of damage reduction cooldowns for tanks. That being said, we can no longer just blanket people with rejuv and not worry about mana. Now it’s keeping your ten second mastery buff up with a occasional direct heal/swiftmend, swiftmending strategically for the aoe heal of efflorescence, and spot healing with rejuv/pre hotting aoe mechanics you know are about to hit. Wg for 6+ damages peeps who are taking decent damage. Tranq is a raid heal now at least which helps. A lot of restos i see are struggling to adapt though. :(
@@kazeindelsawakno520 "We can no longer just blanket people with rejuv" ====> Once a boss is on farm, you won't need to. The difference in skill is noticeable during progress, during farm, you have built up enough gear (yes burning down adds with bis gear goes quicker, saves mana, saves healing spells and time on your healers) The most important part about Trees is keeping all of your cooldowns rotated on cooldown. If you only used tree during a fight once, it means you failed the assignment.
I remember holy priest being a really rough experience, especially in the first raid tier and the unnerfed heroics. I still enjoyed it a lot, as i like challenges.
Holy priest was my main in cata, Early first tier yeah it was rough but you had to learn to be mana efficient and when to let the other healers take the small pot heals. The one thing holy priest has is HP gain per mana spent, they can REALLY push Heals but it costs a lot of mana to accomplish it. The biggest issue was the "Why arent you playing disc" Raid Leaders
I carried soooo many groups with my holy priest in Cata. If played correctly it was very strong, if you were one of those flashheal spammers you were just bad.
it's rough because...well, you require the chakra system to 'play a role' and then you're still worse at it than any other healer. The chakra system was seriously underpowered and faulty in design. They finally fixed it in Legion, but still, it's overshadowed by the power of shields.
@@dragames "hen you're still worse at it than any other healer." - Where do you even get this from ? If holy priest was so weak why did top guilds use it back in the days ? SOme fight they even went 3 holy priests on sinestra, so what you're saying make no sense mate.
I’ve been maining restoration shaman since classic launch. Should I be worried. Haven’t played Cata before. Went to prison when it released back in the days.
Holy priest is significantly better than B tier. Divine Hymn is a literal reverse uno card. It is the highest skill cap healer, but easily over A+. There are some fights where holy fails or disco fails so it is good to have both in pocket as a priest. Overall I rather holy, much more engaging and rewarding experience. I wouldn't say its Hpal tier, because its broken, but if Hpal is s+, disco and holy are S. Don't forget that holy priest gets the highest bonus from extra healing because of its passive, that places HoT over targets. The bigger the heal, the bigger the hot. Holy priest is a Hot Machine with direct heal capability. Majority of people play holy priest as a prayer of healing panic spammer, while your main ability is always but always renew, circle of healing, and heal/flash/greater.
This is why I hope we see some actual balance changes this time around in cata classic, so tired of the same old stale meta and not performing as well because the people you play with want to play one class rather than another.
I hope the same, though I'm not really in favor of general nerfs to specs. I'd love to see at least minor buffs to weaker specs without introducing power creep or a new "set in stone meta". Balancing is... well... a balancing act.
@@calebsmith1926 Yeah same here, it's just crazy to me how they handled wrath though, I get that it's an old expansion and it had its own balance issues but instead of opting to either leave it be or change things up they just kind of half-assed it with a few buffs to feral and ret yet did nothing to address the wack healer (or even tank to some extent) balance, as someone who raided a lot of 10 man with the "wrong" classes it was very frustrating.
So stupid seeing people worry so much about the class and spec they love. The content can and will be cleared with any spec and class attending. Unless you're a extreme tryhard pro you have nothing to worry about, and since you are here in this video i doubt any of you are
Rating holy priest B tier is wrong in my opinion. Divine Hymn is super strong with only 3min CD and the healing output they have is really strong. I'd say it's a easy A tier spec. Forgot to mention that there is a reason Method used holy priest back in cataclysm so they're obviously one of the top specs and awesome to have atleast one of them.
@@kierangraham2724 yes, but you don't really need the utility disc brings, can easily get boss down without it :) I'd recommend to atleast have 1 holy , even better if people can click lightwell.
To be honest, S tier is Rdru, Disc and Shaman (during prog only as mastery drops off, considering they will mostly never go oom too if played well with Telluric Currents and bosses taking double damage during phases). All healers are A tier except for the the few S tier. Paladins are great but their AoE is still lacking, people are overhyping holy radiance and light of dawn. Light of dawn is limited on targets, but decent healing, meanwhile holy radiance will tick for 500 healing on everyone, if stacked. Even less in most cases, depends on gear. Also, tank healing is way less valuable as most guilds will run DK main tank and they will heal themselves like crazy + pala mastery is garbage... noone will stack it. Its crit + haste all over again. And to be honest, it is a great comp to have one of each. 😅 We had rdru, rsham, hpala, hpriest and disc for prog in DS and it was great. After prog, shaman gets dropped first for ele/enha as the mastery is garbage as you no longer need that healing. When you prog and people are constantly low HP, shamans are huge, since mastery can almost double your healing. But when you are on farm and people take less damage, especially with disc in the mix, shamans lose their value, SL totem also becomes quite a bit worse and usually the disc bubble is enough. Second one to go is probably the hpriest, as you will no longer need the raid cds and they lack other cds. Hpriest is also very fun to play as you can prepare for different phases of a boss and switch to what is needed, single target or AoE, and perform very well. They can even do decent damage if the damage chakra is online. Druids have decent to good tank healing, as lifebloom should never run out on the tank, they blanket the raid, combat ress (even if limited) they are extremely tanky and will go bear for big aoe explosions or soaking duties in some cases, they have new tranq which is the most powerful raid wide heal with a relatively short cd, most fights will get used twice, highest mana pool in game due to Furor, very good mana efficiency options (if played well, bad druids will go oom in 15 sec), efflorescence as well just adds to swiftmend... And they have CC too which is and will be relevant to some bosses. Druids are in fact the worst healers in PvP though. Still has a spot and multiple viable comps, are very aggressive in both damage (with three and double damage wrath + Cc), but lack in raw healing unless the tree regrowth combo, which is the most powerful turret of healing for the duration but is also a sure way to oom in 10 sec. Shamans will top the PvP nieche followed closely by hpala as second.
holy priest can do massive output, they are a bit slept on in cata. The utility isn't as strong as the other healers but the raw output is very good if played well
Holy priest is good in cata, people are just meta bots. Though sadly, you won't heal more than a holy paladin, they literally top healing by just smashing their heads on their 2 key keyboard
Tier list isn’t bad just takes consideration that h priest is way harder to play well. For the average Joe I would tell them to play disc 100% of the time
I just played Disco Priest + Resto Druid on Heroics so far. As Disco Priest I have a great tool and know what to do... As Resto Druid I felt shit and blown away. There were times I hotted players with 4 hots and they still died.... (speaking of Heroic 5man Dungeon Content) both chars are not even pre raid BiS and it feels rough depending of dungeon + group.
@@chiefgunman Lol Balance is a mid tier DPS that brings only one unique buff that's also shared by shadow and every shaman spec. You're just looking to get angry without putting two thoughts together.
One major point in favor of the rdruid is its dmg output, especially compared to a hpal. It will be interesting to see how competitive raiding will use the rdruid DPS to push the limits and strats, most likely in 10m
No. Just… No. Please don’t bring that retail bullshit where healers need to do DPS and even worse during raid encounters. Healers are to HEAL, as stated on the name HEALERS.
@@josedavidmunozmartinez4722 Why put healers in a box? Where is the rule stated that healers aren't allowed to do a single point of damage? I just don't understand this logic
Seeing people saying that Hpriest is weak to all of the other healers makes me realize how most people didn’t really learn how to properly play Holy. Their AoE is exceptional, Divine Hymn gets reduced to a 3 min CD meaning that you can use it twice if done correctly.
properly play holy? you mean just button mash prayer of healing in 25 mans lol, maybe toss some pom,coh and hymn, sanctuary healing is pathetic for the amount of mana it costs, might be worth in 25 but it pales when compared with resto shaman's healing rain, chakra cd is so long that you might as well never leave the aoe chakra. and sure you pump high aoe numbers, but you have the worst mana regen mechanic among all the healers, maybe around the same as resto shaman. I can see holy being useful in 25 as a pure aoe healing pumper, but in 10 there is like no reason to bring a holy over disc the way i see it, since disc just has far better utility and tank healing. and even in 25 you'd want a disc priest for pain suppression and barrier first before you want a second priest.
a yep holy priest is a great healer but it do only one job perfectly to raid heal thats the problem with it. If this is the role you want to provide in the raid it's fine but the other healers are capable of taking more than one role.
@@sfzrxgaming9875 And you just proved that you have zero knowledge of how to play holy priest properly lol, by far the highest skill ceiling of all healers in most of expasions, but sadly, it's only a shadow of disc priest as it's easier to play and has more utility
@@JustNrik Not sure what you smoking bruh, holy takes 0 skill to play at lvl 60 or 70, lol lvl 70 circle spam, at lvl 80 its still brain dead just not as brain dead as disc, and at lvl 85 disc is far more complex than holy. Idk about you but I'm a long time priest player, I quit wrath due to how boring it was but I played both disc and holy, log is Sfzrx from whitemane.
I never understood why people think resto druid was the best healer, they're not even remotely as good as holy paladin/disc priest til tier 13. Healing starting in cata isn't just about healing numbers. Its first about keeping targets alive, second what else they bring to the table. If other healers can keep targets alive just as well and bring other utility, why bring a resto druid?
@@cruxe2372 Correct, they do have brez, big raid healing cd (every healer has some kind of big cd, shamans multiple I think). Movespeed buff is useful but I don't think it was as useful as it is in later expansions.
Your outta your mind thinking disc priest keeps ppl alive in any other scenario than a fight with small raid damage, disc priest is only good with a healer actually healing, rdruid can do anything a disc can plus they actually heal
@@slushy1522 Disc priest lowers the healing required, so yes you will need another healer, if you're doing cata raids with 1 healer, I'd love to know the strats you're doing. Otherwise, disc priests will make the other healers job significantly easier. In dungeons, disc priests can basically negate any healing necessary and get around -100% healing received mechanics which there are quite a few of those because they can just bubble the target.
As a long Private Server Player (Whitemane, Twinstar) that played every healer in Cata this is my thoughs: S Tier: Resto Druid/Disco Priest A Tier: Holy Paladin, B Tier: Resto Shaman, C Tier: Holy Priest Resto Druid: biggest healing out put of every healer, because cataclysm is the best expasion via healing out put, It's the first expansion that HOT's are legit broken, because how healing works It's not like in previous expansion that, If anyone went down from 100% to 50% hp you cast 1 heal to intantly top them to full, It's not like that anymore, you will likely bring 2 of them to 25 man, speaking of 10 man, they are not that strong via utility as a holy paladin, but they are stiill good you will likely be healing 10 man with Disc Priest. Disco Priest: Its just broken like in Wrath via shields good in 25, important into 10 man. Holy Paladin: Biggest strength is Utility via blessigs and etc. It's not like in Wrath anymore, you will bring 1 to 25, but where holy paladin shines is 10, less players less buffs so holy paladin utility just shine, everybody know that best healing duo for 10 man is Disc Priest/Holy Pala. Resto Shaman: Is the best version of shaman that is here from TBC and most fun, but as a healing out put that the class can do is not that good, biggest strength of shaman is just Spirit Link Totem + AOE Healing though Healing Raid, Chain Heal, but still you are out healed by Holy Priest, shaman you will bring just 1 into 25, good luck trying to join into 10 man as a resto shaman you will be forced to play Ele. Holy Priest: It's just worst healer, why would anyone play this spec, you will never be the best in utility or rough healing out put, you are just handcoufing yourself from success.
Hm I'm starting to think you played with awful shamans and paladins. Resto shaman have the best arsenal of spells in the right hands it does the job perfectly. Holy pala is the strongest tank healer and later in the expansion the best raid healer...
Resto druid easily is S tier in cata, they will have probs at first before gear if they are bad but the good ones will easily be best over all other classes
Disagree with druid not being S tier. It brings 2 raid CD, innervate, combat ress. Best healer on fights with lots of movements, they themself almost never go oom(highest mana pull). There will always be at least 1 Resto druid in 25 raids and safest pick in 10 man(especially in progression). Easily S tier imo.
you can only combat rez once in 10man, and that's covered by blood dk i think, innervate is only 20% mana for the druid and nothing else, all healers have their own mana cd, shadowfiend/divine plea etc, resto druid will pump some of the highest healing numbers but i think some fights having utility from paladin/disc will be really nice, the question is whether the higher healing output from restor druid outweighs utility the other classes bring, and ofc it depends on whether its 10 or 25, resto shaman is prob godly on 25 man, while resto druid is prob stronger on 10 man i imagine.
@@sfzrxgaming9875 as a healer main it's weird seeing resto shaman ranked higher than resto druid when resto shaman has issues for a lot of prebis content I wouldn't say rdruid is exactly stier but higher than rsham by a good margin
@@chilwil07 ua-cam.com/video/1v-WxNGg2Y0/v-deo.html This person has the best cata healer analysis I've found on youtube, he rated resto druids fairly high. But I think most people rated resto shaman high because of spirit link, while druid have weaker cds but stronger overall heal. In the original cata during p1 shamans didn't have spirit link, so they weren't really represented. This time around its hard to say, but I think resto shamans in 25 man will be far better than 10 man. Druid will prob be godlike in 10 since overall dmg is lower and there is more room for hots to tick.
@@sfzrxgaming9875 maybe I've played with subpar healers but every fresh server I've played resto shaman seems to struggle with mana before being bis/firelands
@@Riyaniwow It's not that well cus u rate them wrong. If holy was as bad as you say it is, why did method use them ? You say holy priest cant do as good aoe heals as the others which is total crap. Holy priest can do same healing or even heal more all the other healers.
Holy paladin is F tier until T12, druids are top early pretty much, priets are both ok, disc over holy as usual, resto shaman is top in all phases, but shines the most in dragonsoul, a skilled resto shaman will always top on dragonsoul, even against holy paladins
sigh...numbers and data over what a person wants to play and enjoy... even in a game that's already been played before and its a rerun...people whine and complain about numbers
Yet again people shitting on and discounting Holy Priest. Holy Priest can 100% outheal a disc priest's absorbs when healing without a disc. The throughput is INSANE if you know how to play the class. The problem is that not many people do because you can't just faceroll 1 button as Holy. Also to note that this guy has no idea how to play holy priest, because you don't just stay in one chakra if you're worth your salt.
Disc will always have higher throughout. Back in world of logs days, disc was so far above on allstars followed by hpals then rsham h priest and then rdruid last. 😊
"Resto druid won't be the best, they'll just top the meters!" As if that's not what most people are looking for lol. As much as raid cooldowns matter, they mostly matter to the raid lead; if they don't get easily seen on meters, no one will care.
Yea I sort of agree. If the raid doesn't need big CDs druids will absolutely destroy the meters lol. Plus I think Rdruid is the most fun healer but that's just me
I mean if a resto can pop tranq and no one dies then how was it any worse then a disc bubble and no one dying. Also been tranq and tree you can rotate 2 very power CDs over and over. Plus druid is just fun to play.
If the meter is configured for both healing and mitigation the RSham should comfortably top the meter with spirit link and healing rain. For about 15 seconds of the raid they'll be getting about 50K HPS from these 2 spells alone.
If you run with 2x disc, 2x holypala, then the last slot should go to holy priest. The ability to change sub-role depending on the fight is such a huge win. Spirit link is an awesome spell, but is mostly beneficial with major non-shielding raid healers like holy priest, druid and shaman, which are the minority of healers in the disc/pala majority comp. I think you want one of each healer type tbh, the holy priest is massively underrated. That being said, im the most biased person in this comment section to make this claim, as my wow-prime was as holy priest in cataclysm hehe
all i know is looking at your gear rendered on the client you are playing in its incredible low resouloution!! i welcome the new graphics to cata!! going to make it look so crisp;
i think youre severely underestimating resto druids my bro... we still have Battle ressing...we still bring thorns and gift...and you forgot to add in the mastery for resto druids... they will never run out of mana in a run.....those should be more than enough to bring it up to S tier
Lmao the disrespect for druid was gnarly. They don't have mana problems at all with constant clearcasting procs, have strong survivability, bring brez and innervate, and tranq is one of the best healing cooldowns. In terms of sheer output tranq is nearly unbeatable, then you add tree of life and stampeding roar on top of that.
Setting up the holy priest for failure there. Lightwell is the most useless talent in the game. You can see one in the video. No wonder your opinion of holy priests is so horrible.
Ich bin mal gespannt wie sich der H-Priest in cata von Wotlk anfühlt 😊 denn derzeit macht mir der Holy am meisten spaß vorallem auch in ICC 10 Parseruns. Da hab ich mir derzeit Platz 1 gesichert 😁 Holi-Everlook
Reading this comment section really makes you see how many people have not the slightest idea about how to play a healer
I think main thing for Cata healer is that the skillgap between a good healer and a bad healer is far far more noticable than prior expansions. The mana buffer doesn't exist to be bad at healing and knowing the fights for CD usage is more important as the get out of jail "every pally has an AM or DSAC" is gone.
Combine that with some tight dps checks on Heroic Prog means you can't just add more healers to compensate for bad players, this is a great expansion for skill healers.
As holy/disc pvp and.pve cata was my peak experience.
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Orange parse paladin here. Cant fing wait for a real challenge
As a long time resto druid since 2006, watching people struggle to adjust to the mastery juggle of resto druid is sad.
We are pure raid healing. We don’t have much in the way of damage reduction cooldowns for tanks.
That being said, we can no longer just blanket people with rejuv and not worry about mana. Now it’s keeping your ten second mastery buff up with a occasional direct heal/swiftmend, swiftmending strategically for the aoe heal of efflorescence, and spot healing with rejuv/pre hotting aoe mechanics you know are about to hit. Wg for 6+ damages peeps who are taking decent damage.
Tranq is a raid heal now at least which helps. A lot of restos i see are struggling to adapt though. :(
@@kazeindelsawakno520 "We can no longer just blanket people with rejuv"
====> Once a boss is on farm, you won't need to. The difference in skill is noticeable during progress, during farm, you have built up enough gear (yes burning down adds with bis gear goes quicker, saves mana, saves healing spells and time on your healers) The most important part about Trees is keeping all of your cooldowns rotated on cooldown. If you only used tree during a fight once, it means you failed the assignment.
Like always a good Healer on his feel good class outperforms every Fotm Roller
Very true, especially in Cata.
I remember holy priest being a really rough experience, especially in the first raid tier and the unnerfed heroics. I still enjoyed it a lot, as i like challenges.
Holy priest was my main in cata, Early first tier yeah it was rough but you had to learn to be mana efficient and when to let the other healers take the small pot heals.
The one thing holy priest has is HP gain per mana spent, they can REALLY push Heals but it costs a lot of mana to accomplish it.
The biggest issue was the "Why arent you playing disc" Raid Leaders
Holy is better than this guy says it is so don't listen to this bs. If holy was that mad why did method use it ?
I carried soooo many groups with my holy priest in Cata. If played correctly it was very strong, if you were one of those flashheal spammers you were just bad.
it's rough because...well, you require the chakra system to 'play a role' and then you're still worse at it than any other healer.
The chakra system was seriously underpowered and faulty in design. They finally fixed it in Legion, but still, it's overshadowed by the power of shields.
@@dragames "hen you're still worse at it than any other healer." - Where do you even get this from ? If holy priest was so weak why did top guilds use it back in the days ? SOme fight they even went 3 holy priests on sinestra, so what you're saying make no sense mate.
I’ve been maining restoration shaman since classic launch. Should I be worried.
Haven’t played Cata before. Went to prison when it released back in the days.
If your in 25 rshammy, will be a progression staple just be comfy playing ele when your raid needs to drop a healer.
25man ur totally fine, probably fine in 10man aswell but personally I wouldnt wanna play 10man rshaman, ele is too good for the shaman spot
"went to" haha
If you know what you’re doing and communicate well with main healer. You’ll do more then fine in 10 man.
"Went to prison" ====> Too much information bro...
I think Holy priest is greatly overlooked. We'll see. I plan on maining both disc and holy for raiding. And playing resto and ele shaman.
Holy priest is significantly better than B tier. Divine Hymn is a literal reverse uno card. It is the highest skill cap healer, but easily over A+. There are some fights where holy fails or disco fails so it is good to have both in pocket as a priest. Overall I rather holy, much more engaging and rewarding experience.
I wouldn't say its Hpal tier, because its broken, but if Hpal is s+, disco and holy are S.
Don't forget that holy priest gets the highest bonus from extra healing because of its passive, that places HoT over targets. The bigger the heal, the bigger the hot. Holy priest is a Hot Machine with direct heal capability. Majority of people play holy priest as a prayer of healing panic spammer, while your main ability is always but always renew, circle of healing, and heal/flash/greater.
This is why I hope we see some actual balance changes this time around in cata classic, so tired of the same old stale meta and not performing as well because the people you play with want to play one class rather than another.
I hope the same, though I'm not really in favor of general nerfs to specs. I'd love to see at least minor buffs to weaker specs without introducing power creep or a new "set in stone meta". Balancing is... well... a balancing act.
@@calebsmith1926 Yeah same here, it's just crazy to me how they handled wrath though, I get that it's an old expansion and it had its own balance issues but instead of opting to either leave it be or change things up they just kind of half-assed it with a few buffs to feral and ret yet did nothing to address the wack healer (or even tank to some extent) balance, as someone who raided a lot of 10 man with the "wrong" classes it was very frustrating.
Healers are completely fine in cata, you will see all 5 specs be utilized
I love your tanking guide for BDK - made me really love the spec - wondering if you could do a Resto Shammy guide
We are now 3 weeks in cata and yet to find any healer to top me up in any raid(i play resto druid)
They have great output!
Excellent video! Thank you. Definatly subscribed.
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So stupid seeing people worry so much about the class and spec they love.
The content can and will be cleared with any spec and class attending.
Unless you're a extreme tryhard pro you have nothing to worry about, and since you are here in this video i doubt any of you are
The issue is not getting invited because people are meta bots.
Have fun raiding as frost mage or fury warrior lmao
Rating holy priest B tier is wrong in my opinion. Divine Hymn is super strong with only 3min CD and the healing output they have is really strong. I'd say it's a easy A tier spec.
Forgot to mention that there is a reason Method used holy priest back in cataclysm so they're obviously one of the top specs and awesome to have atleast one of them.
i agree, holy is solid (and really fun) just outshined by utility of disc
@@kierangraham2724 yes, but you don't really need the utility disc brings, can easily get boss down without it :) I'd recommend to atleast have 1 holy , even better if people can click lightwell.
To be honest, S tier is Rdru, Disc and Shaman (during prog only as mastery drops off, considering they will mostly never go oom too if played well with Telluric Currents and bosses taking double damage during phases).
All healers are A tier except for the the few S tier. Paladins are great but their AoE is still lacking, people are overhyping holy radiance and light of dawn. Light of dawn is limited on targets, but decent healing, meanwhile holy radiance will tick for 500 healing on everyone, if stacked. Even less in most cases, depends on gear. Also, tank healing is way less valuable as most guilds will run DK main tank and they will heal themselves like crazy + pala mastery is garbage... noone will stack it. Its crit + haste all over again.
And to be honest, it is a great comp to have one of each. 😅 We had rdru, rsham, hpala, hpriest and disc for prog in DS and it was great.
After prog, shaman gets dropped first for ele/enha as the mastery is garbage as you no longer need that healing. When you prog and people are constantly low HP, shamans are huge, since mastery can almost double your healing. But when you are on farm and people take less damage, especially with disc in the mix, shamans lose their value, SL totem also becomes quite a bit worse and usually the disc bubble is enough. Second one to go is probably the hpriest, as you will no longer need the raid cds and they lack other cds.
Hpriest is also very fun to play as you can prepare for different phases of a boss and switch to what is needed, single target or AoE, and perform very well. They can even do decent damage if the damage chakra is online.
Druids have decent to good tank healing, as lifebloom should never run out on the tank, they blanket the raid, combat ress (even if limited) they are extremely tanky and will go bear for big aoe explosions or soaking duties in some cases, they have new tranq which is the most powerful raid wide heal with a relatively short cd, most fights will get used twice, highest mana pool in game due to Furor, very good mana efficiency options (if played well, bad druids will go oom in 15 sec), efflorescence as well just adds to swiftmend... And they have CC too which is and will be relevant to some bosses. Druids are in fact the worst healers in PvP though. Still has a spot and multiple viable comps, are very aggressive in both damage (with three and double damage wrath + Cc), but lack in raw healing unless the tree regrowth combo, which is the most powerful turret of healing for the duration but is also a sure way to oom in 10 sec. Shamans will top the PvP nieche followed closely by hpala as second.
@@markomancikasty for the write up man, planning to be our raids Hpriest and this stuff helps
@@markomancikas hpalas have the best AoE if the raid isn't made of monkeys who won't stay in paladin's healing cone lmao
If holy priest is so bad, healing must be really easy in cata.
Our holy priest solo healed dragon soul after a few clear back then.
holy priest can do massive output, they are a bit slept on in cata. The utility isn't as strong as the other healers but the raw output is very good if played well
Holy priest output is actually insane and them being versatile makes them great in ALL situations.
This tier list just sucks
Holy priest is good in cata, people are just meta bots. Though sadly, you won't heal more than a holy paladin, they literally top healing by just smashing their heads on their 2 key keyboard
@@JustNrik you don't only bring 6 hpalas into a healing comp.
And btw resto druids are actually the top throughput healer.
Tier list isn’t bad just takes consideration that h priest is way harder to play well. For the average Joe I would tell them to play disc 100% of the time
I played holy priest in first phase of original cata... I remember having huge mana problems
Go shadow and destroy everything!
Wrong usage of skills and panic spamming issue. Holypriest start shining after first raid tier. With dungeon tier it is normal to have mana problems.
I just played Disco Priest + Resto Druid on Heroics so far.
As Disco Priest I have a great tool and know what to do... As Resto Druid I felt shit and blown away.
There were times I hotted players with 4 hots and they still died.... (speaking of Heroic 5man Dungeon Content) both chars are not even pre raid BiS and it feels rough depending of dungeon + group.
I've noticed r druid feeling a bit rougher in a 5 man setting, but worry not-- they perform well in raids!
'Yeah the resto druid is god tier at healing, but they arent the best healer." talk about copium.
Lmfaoooo
High output but the raid utility doesn't compare to the others. Makes sense to me
@@brandonl7759 "Boomkin brought a raid buff in wrath. that makes them the best dps." thats how stupid that argument is.
@@chiefgunman Lol Balance is a mid tier DPS that brings only one unique buff that's also shared by shadow and every shaman spec. You're just looking to get angry without putting two thoughts together.
@@chiefgunman argue at a wall though, just don't get pissy when people value high heals and high utility more than very high heals and low utility. ✌️
One major point in favor of the rdruid is its dmg output, especially compared to a hpal. It will be interesting to see how competitive raiding will use the rdruid DPS to push the limits and strats, most likely in 10m
No. Just… No. Please don’t bring that retail bullshit where healers need to do DPS and even worse during raid encounters. Healers are to HEAL, as stated on the name HEALERS.
@@josedavidmunozmartinez4722who the fuck are you to decide whats meta and what isnt?
@@josedavidmunozmartinez4722 Please don't bring your toxic mentality, whether it is retail or classic (:
@@josedavidmunozmartinez4722 Why put healers in a box? Where is the rule stated that healers aren't allowed to do a single point of damage? I just don't understand this logic
@@josedavidmunozmartinez4722 Healers should always pump dmg in the downtime, no point in being an afk bot
How important is replenishment for healers in cata? Can you get away without it in 10m?
Quite important-- resto druid, ret, and shadow priest are quite strong, so I'd consider bringing one if possible.
It drives me nuts that guides or "top tier list" never mention RShammys unique ability to increase targets hp by 10% I mean cmon
Crazy cause i know a geared resto druid will be able to solo heal some bosses on heroic firelands, including heroic rag.
Hpriest slept on. High throughput and much better at keeping inspiration up than disc.
Thanks, i choose resto dru!
Seeing people saying that Hpriest is weak to all of the other healers makes me realize how most people didn’t really learn how to properly play Holy. Their AoE is exceptional, Divine Hymn gets reduced to a 3 min CD meaning that you can use it twice if done correctly.
properly play holy? you mean just button mash prayer of healing in 25 mans lol, maybe toss some pom,coh and hymn, sanctuary healing is pathetic for the amount of mana it costs, might be worth in 25 but it pales when compared with resto shaman's healing rain, chakra cd is so long that you might as well never leave the aoe chakra. and sure you pump high aoe numbers, but you have the worst mana regen mechanic among all the healers, maybe around the same as resto shaman. I can see holy being useful in 25 as a pure aoe healing pumper, but in 10 there is like no reason to bring a holy over disc the way i see it, since disc just has far better utility and tank healing. and even in 25 you'd want a disc priest for pain suppression and barrier first before you want a second priest.
a yep holy priest is a great healer but it do only one job perfectly to raid heal thats the problem with it. If this is the role you want to provide in the raid it's fine but the other healers are capable of taking more than one role.
I think I ran holy in pvp almost exclusively, and it went awsome!
@@sfzrxgaming9875 And you just proved that you have zero knowledge of how to play holy priest properly lol, by far the highest skill ceiling of all healers in most of expasions, but sadly, it's only a shadow of disc priest as it's easier to play and has more utility
@@JustNrik Not sure what you smoking bruh, holy takes 0 skill to play at lvl 60 or 70, lol lvl 70 circle spam, at lvl 80 its still brain dead just not as brain dead as disc, and at lvl 85 disc is far more complex than holy. Idk about you but I'm a long time priest player, I quit wrath due to how boring it was but I played both disc and holy, log is Sfzrx from whitemane.
This is not from best to worst
I never understood why people think resto druid was the best healer, they're not even remotely as good as holy paladin/disc priest til tier 13. Healing starting in cata isn't just about healing numbers. Its first about keeping targets alive, second what else they bring to the table. If other healers can keep targets alive just as well and bring other utility, why bring a resto druid?
Don't they have brez, big raid healing cd, group movement speed buff? I don't remember the entire tool set but they are far from just raw healing.
@@cruxe2372 Correct, they do have brez, big raid healing cd (every healer has some kind of big cd, shamans multiple I think). Movespeed buff is useful but I don't think it was as useful as it is in later expansions.
@@cruxe2372even with raw healing rdruids are the best.
Your outta your mind thinking disc priest keeps ppl alive in any other scenario than a fight with small raid damage, disc priest is only good with a healer actually healing, rdruid can do anything a disc can plus they actually heal
@@slushy1522 Disc priest lowers the healing required, so yes you will need another healer, if you're doing cata raids with 1 healer, I'd love to know the strats you're doing. Otherwise, disc priests will make the other healers job significantly easier. In dungeons, disc priests can basically negate any healing necessary and get around -100% healing received mechanics which there are quite a few of those because they can just bubble the target.
Holy Priest been shit since Wrath. The MP issues is ROUGH.
As a long Private Server Player (Whitemane, Twinstar) that played every healer in Cata this is my thoughs:
S Tier: Resto Druid/Disco Priest A Tier: Holy Paladin, B Tier: Resto Shaman, C Tier: Holy Priest
Resto Druid: biggest healing out put of every healer, because cataclysm is the best expasion via healing out put, It's the first expansion that HOT's are legit broken, because how healing works It's not like in previous expansion that, If anyone went down from 100% to 50% hp you cast 1 heal to intantly top them to full, It's not like that anymore, you will likely bring 2 of them to 25 man, speaking of 10 man, they are not that strong via utility as a holy paladin, but they are stiill good you will likely be healing 10 man with Disc Priest.
Disco Priest: Its just broken like in Wrath via shields good in 25, important into 10 man.
Holy Paladin: Biggest strength is Utility via blessigs and etc. It's not like in Wrath anymore, you will bring 1 to 25, but where holy paladin shines is 10, less players less buffs so holy paladin utility just shine, everybody know that best healing duo for 10 man is Disc Priest/Holy Pala.
Resto Shaman: Is the best version of shaman that is here from TBC and most fun, but as a healing out put that the class can do is not that good, biggest strength of shaman is just Spirit Link Totem + AOE Healing though Healing Raid, Chain Heal, but still you are out healed by Holy Priest, shaman you will bring just 1 into 25, good luck trying to join into 10 man as a resto shaman you will be forced to play Ele.
Holy Priest: It's just worst healer, why would anyone play this spec, you will never be the best in utility or rough healing out put, you are just handcoufing yourself from success.
Hm I'm starting to think you played with awful shamans and paladins. Resto shaman have the best arsenal of spells in the right hands it does the job perfectly. Holy pala is the strongest tank healer and later in the expansion the best raid healer...
holy priest actually has very good output, it just doesn't have the utility that other healers do
Agreed
Resto druid easily is S tier in cata, they will have probs at first before gear if they are bad but the good ones will easily be best over all other classes
Disagree with druid not being S tier. It brings 2 raid CD, innervate, combat ress. Best healer on fights with lots of movements, they themself almost never go oom(highest mana pull).
There will always be at least 1 Resto druid in 25 raids and safest pick in 10 man(especially in progression).
Easily S tier imo.
you can only combat rez once in 10man, and that's covered by blood dk i think, innervate is only 20% mana for the druid and nothing else, all healers have their own mana cd, shadowfiend/divine plea etc, resto druid will pump some of the highest healing numbers but i think some fights having utility from paladin/disc will be really nice, the question is whether the higher healing output from restor druid outweighs utility the other classes bring, and ofc it depends on whether its 10 or 25, resto shaman is prob godly on 25 man, while resto druid is prob stronger on 10 man i imagine.
@@sfzrxgaming9875 as a healer main it's weird seeing resto shaman ranked higher than resto druid when resto shaman has issues for a lot of prebis content I wouldn't say rdruid is exactly stier but higher than rsham by a good margin
@@chilwil07 ua-cam.com/video/1v-WxNGg2Y0/v-deo.html This person has the best cata healer analysis I've found on youtube, he rated resto druids fairly high. But I think most people rated resto shaman high because of spirit link, while druid have weaker cds but stronger overall heal. In the original cata during p1 shamans didn't have spirit link, so they weren't really represented. This time around its hard to say, but I think resto shamans in 25 man will be far better than 10 man. Druid will prob be godlike in 10 since overall dmg is lower and there is more room for hots to tick.
@@sfzrxgaming9875 maybe I've played with subpar healers but every fresh server I've played resto shaman seems to struggle with mana before being bis/firelands
Great quality vid
Thank you bud
@@Riyaniwow It's not that well cus u rate them wrong. If holy was as bad as you say it is, why did method use them ? You say holy priest cant do as good aoe heals as the others which is total crap. Holy priest can do same healing or even heal more all the other healers.
Don't forget we will play at 4.3....healers changed a lot with this patch especially holy priest so....
The King of wrath were discipline priests 😂
Holy paladin is F tier until T12, druids are top early pretty much, priets are both ok, disc over holy as usual, resto shaman is top in all phases, but shines the most in dragonsoul, a skilled resto shaman will always top on dragonsoul, even against holy paladins
Every class is strong. Just learn it to play 😊
sigh...numbers and data over what a person wants to play and enjoy... even in a game that's already been played before and its a rerun...people whine and complain about numbers
Yet again people shitting on and discounting Holy Priest. Holy Priest can 100% outheal a disc priest's absorbs when healing without a disc. The throughput is INSANE if you know how to play the class. The problem is that not many people do because you can't just faceroll 1 button as Holy. Also to note that this guy has no idea how to play holy priest, because you don't just stay in one chakra if you're worth your salt.
Damn it's ok man
Disc will always have higher throughout. Back in world of logs days, disc was so far above on allstars followed by hpals then rsham h priest and then rdruid last. 😊
im so sad about holy. it's by far my fav spec for priest. :
All specs are super viable, so if you were running holy in wrath, you can absolutely run it in Cata
Personally cata was.my fav.coz.i got rich and dominated with holy/disc =]
It is true only for 10 ppl. But restodruid is the best on the hardest bosses even in 10 man raids.
"Resto druid won't be the best, they'll just top the meters!" As if that's not what most people are looking for lol. As much as raid cooldowns matter, they mostly matter to the raid lead; if they don't get easily seen on meters, no one will care.
Yea I sort of agree. If the raid doesn't need big CDs druids will absolutely destroy the meters lol. Plus I think Rdruid is the most fun healer but that's just me
I mean if a resto can pop tranq and no one dies then how was it any worse then a disc bubble and no one dying. Also been tranq and tree you can rotate 2 very power CDs over and over. Plus druid is just fun to play.
That is some outdated way of thinking.
If the meter is configured for both healing and mitigation the RSham should comfortably top the meter with spirit link and healing rain. For about 15 seconds of the raid they'll be getting about 50K HPS from these 2 spells alone.
Yeah that matters in pugs, but nobody gives a shit about pug meters 😂
you really can't go wrong with any healer.
They are all pretty equal, some are just more equal than others.
Spirit link is heavily overrated, outside of 100 corruption chogall mage strat and possibly on alakir phase 2 towards the end its borderline useless.
Literally makes the tank unkillable for 6 seconds. No other spell has that kind of utility.
@@XBezerkerX bubble? bop try again kiddo
@@XBezerkerX Or you will kill the tank by lowering his HP to danger zone. Like Chimaeron
Aint no way a disc priest is S tier especially in pve
It is
If you run with 2x disc, 2x holypala, then the last slot should go to holy priest. The ability to change sub-role depending on the fight is such a huge win. Spirit link is an awesome spell, but is mostly beneficial with major non-shielding raid healers like holy priest, druid and shaman, which are the minority of healers in the disc/pala majority comp. I think you want one of each healer type tbh, the holy priest is massively underrated. That being said, im the most biased person in this comment section to make this claim, as my wow-prime was as holy priest in cataclysm hehe
all i know is looking at your gear rendered on the client you are playing in its incredible low resouloution!! i welcome the new graphics to cata!! going to make it look so crisp;
I was best healer as druid in my guild, so fun to play
I cant wait for you to be so very wrong about resto druid....
Me too
interesting that your priest choices are the opposite of every other tier list for cata.
Other tier-lists have holy over disc? What sites are you looking at and what are they smoking (I want some)?
You sure that wasn't a pvp tier list? I know many people say holy priest is stronger in arenas
I have never heard a single person anywhere ever say with any authority at all that Holy is better than Disc in Cataclysm. Who are you talking to?
@@Riyaniwow check my log on cata with holy.
After having played multiple twinstar cata servers, mained healers and played in the best guilds, i disagree with this video. Have a good day sir.
what copium is this guy on? putting resto druids in A tier? should've been placed in S+ tier
If you’re in a non competitive environment, maybe. Resto Druids barely get a spot in a 25m hc environment.
i think youre severely underestimating resto druids my bro... we still have Battle ressing...we still bring thorns and gift...and you forgot to add in the mastery for resto druids... they will never run out of mana in a run.....those should be more than enough to bring it up to S tier
easy first
that was fking fast
Lolz it looks to me like he commented 22 min ago while it at same time looks like the vid was posted 15 min ago^^
I’m 50/50 on whether I’m even bothering to play cata again since it sucked so bad the first time around. I’m a priest so I’m gonna think about it
Phase 1 is gonna be super fun imo, so give it a go- if it’s not for you it’s not for you ☺️
Same as, will roll as a resto druid if I do come back...totally not sure if I want to invest the time yet
Lmao the disrespect for druid was gnarly. They don't have mana problems at all with constant clearcasting procs, have strong survivability, bring brez and innervate, and tranq is one of the best healing cooldowns. In terms of sheer output tranq is nearly unbeatable, then you add tree of life and stampeding roar on top of that.
Setting up the holy priest for failure there. Lightwell is the most useless talent in the game. You can see one in the video. No wonder your opinion of holy priests is so horrible.
whats pve?
Ich bin mal gespannt wie sich der H-Priest in cata von Wotlk anfühlt 😊 denn derzeit macht mir der Holy am meisten spaß vorallem auch in ICC 10 Parseruns. Da hab ich mir derzeit Platz 1 gesichert 😁 Holi-Everlook
Pvp? Why would you not even talk about that lol.