AMD zen 5 finally About To Launch To Kick The S*** Out Intel!
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You can be hyped but their new line up will mean price increase. They're dominating the market and they're going the Nvidia routr for the CPU. Increase perf increase price.
Same perf per dollar means higher price yup.
price increase for the new cpu's. But you can build an AM5 entry level PC for 600 dollars if you live near a micro center.
And as new Zens come out, I think we can see those prices go lower. Lets go Budget builds!
An 8-core R5 would be perfect. They can even use lower bins instead of repurposed laptop chips for their budget line.
Zen 5 is gonna have the same core counts as Zen 4. Zen 6 will be a complete redesign with higher core counts, new infinity fabric, new package design and on a new socket I assume. AMD really needs to use Zen 5c in the desktop, but they won't.
Youre so energetic Paul!
Good to see you doing fine
Zen 5 will increase performance as much as the node improvements allow. No more, no less. In tasks that prioritize memory latency for performance improvement they will remain about the same.
Zen5 is going to be 16-22% IPC uplift and 5.8-6.0GHz.
Lol Intel's already there
at what power??? zen4 runs above 5ghz at less than 100watts
intel runs above 5ghz for more than 200-250watts@@216edwin
@216edwin on a single core while amd all core is 5.85 kinda different honestly
@@216edwinAnd to manage it they produce a top rate space heater :)
IDK When Mining was a thing GPU makers called their GPUS GAMING cards with no mentions of mining, but with AI, they're not shy of mentioning AI.
I'm looking at upgrading to AMD 8000. But honestly, my money is on 9000 or whatever they're calling it. DDR5/PCIE5 should mature by then with better memory speeds and faster read/writes. I agree with ya. AMD should make the 3D their top tier CPU and just call it the X. They could charge a hundred less for the non x.
It needs to be atleast on Par with current x3D part or better else, it wouldn't make sense. Definitely will be upgrading 7950x.
its 2x faster in AVX512 workloads because Zen4 uses dual cycle 256 bit AVX to process an AVX512 instruction. and it has ladder bus instead of ring bus which means all cores on a CCD are directly connected to all other cores which increases multicore performance and reduces core to core communication latency. it has a 8 wide dispatch per core instead of a 6 wide dispatch on Zen4. it has 6 ops prefetch instead of 4 ops prefetch on zen4 BUT THE BIGGEST IMPROVEMENT IS THAT IT HAS 6 INTEGER ALUS PER CORE INSTEAD OF 4 IN ZEN4. so Ryzen 9 9950X has 96 Integer ALUs instead of 64 on Ryzen 9 7950X. the 3D Vcache models take more performance advantage from VCache than Zen4 and Zen3. I will not be surprised if Ryzen 7 9800X3D turns out to give 50 percent higher frame rate than Ryzen 7 7800X3D in all modern games on average and I wouldnt be surprised if its 2 times faster in AI and crypto mining because of native 512 bit AVX512 support. also it can run your RAM clocks at much higher than 6000 MHz CL30. at least 6400 MHz ( 7200 MHz at best ) sweetspot. Zen5 is such a beast. Zen6 has a unified dualCCD means it uses TSVs to connect both chiplets together instead of infinity fabric so it even increases multicore performance. note that 15 to 30 percent higher IPC translates to 15 to 30 percent higher single threaded performance at the same clock speed but with ladder bus the multithreaded performance would be 20 to 35 percent faster.
AMD won't give us more than 16c/32t because
A: not enough memory bandwidth to feed so many cores properly and
B: the IPC increase will be brutal
and C: Deal with it 😎
Only CPU I would care about is 16 core AMD or 12 core single ring bus intel with quad channel memory and minimum of 40 but preferably 48 PCIE lanes. And at HEDT pricing not the crazy 2 grand plus for a motherboard, CPU and 64GB of memory they're trying to fleece HEDT buyers out of. I guess at least the W790 option just about gets you the RAM for free since the Threadripper with board is $2200 and the Xeon W5 with board is $1865. Memory is another $370 or so.
CAMM2 modules are dual channel, smaller modules, shorter traces, might come with quad channel. Or not. CKD (hopefully mandatory with DDR6) will mean they can keep higher clocks stable, also with quad.
@@jamegumb7298 That has nothing to do with what I am talking about. CAMM is exclusively for laptops.
@@cracklingice
Keep up with the latest news. CAMM was laptops only. First desktops with CAMM2 tested months ago.
@@jamegumb7298 Yeah, not normal desktops. Mini PCs sure - they already use SO-DIMM. Nothing ATX and certainly not RDIMMs.
@@cracklingice
Micro-ATX so far. As in normal desksktop.
Shorter traces = higher speeds.
Really wish you would do longer videos. I find your videos to be a bit easier to digest then your live streams
Ecores suck completely! Ecores mess up every work load I do! Also, we need consumer CPUs and motherboards to be able to have 256GB of ram! Until this happens, it is nether here nor there to me!
Yup! I'm going to avoid it for one more generation if I can to give Windows 11 time to mature.
Agreed, the sole reason they exist is to match AMD core numbers except that intel are so insanely power inefficient they can't do that with actual proper cores
:checks calendar:
Somethings seems a bit off.
Dont know if it means i should drop some puts, or just grab some stocks.
I'm 90% sure that I'm going with AMD for my next build. It may be Zen5 or Zen6.
Why would they get rid of the X marker and change X3D to just X, thats never going to happen, thats just going to confuse people, what are they going to do with the non X parts ? naming is fine now, everyone knows what it means, 7900, 7900X, 7900X3D, nothing wrong with that naming at all.
Question is really worth buy anything in this generation of cpu and video card
7800X3D probably, and 7950X3D too
I cant wait to see how much prices jump this gen
@@BlackChicken710 AMD could big jump prices and still not be as expensive as Intel.
I wonder if AMD will ever bother to put effort towards their GPU's again?
You should go sell them the silicone designs you made and they will be awesome....... Right?
Nvidia has won the A.I game and to future proof your pc it must be A.I compatible ergo Nvidia.
Ryzen 5 ( 8 cores) Ryzen 7 (10 cores) if possible like the old i9 10900K/ 10850k.
Not happening. Still 8c per CCD
PCs are about more than just gaming performance. X3D is largely only a benefit to gaming, while the X models are just better at everything else. The core parity argument runs counter to the X3D one, because the E cores only really benefit productivity. The R9X3Ds already exist to give you the best of both worlds. Latest of anything is going to be expensive, but the 7000 series will be cheaper when 9000 releases. You arent backed into a corner with AM5, like LGA1700.
I think you should go for broke with the beard!
You need to grow a beard that will be sung about in the halls of Valhalla!
Personally I'd love to see AMD name their X3D chips Ryzens and non-3D stacked Athlons.
they should name them X3d HS for headshot.
I want Phenoms back
Game optimization SUX. Think about it!
I play the same Games as in 2002, just with better Graphics.
It's time to pressure Developers to not release Games that are inferior in every aspect, except Graphics, but increase CPU/GPU demand to unknown highs.
Stop buying games like that and they will notice. But others have to do the same and it seems they wont...
If normal zen 5 takes until june X3D will take until next year
It would be nice to something exciting coming out from AMD :)
AMD’s main problem is production.
If they could produce the volume Intel can, they could definitely compete with Intel’s budget parts.
A full fat Zen 4 quad core with a reasonable sized cache would be a beast. It would be a valid competitor to the 13100.
But the cutdown mobile variants repackaged for desktop are doomed to mediocre performance.
In 2025 I need a new PC, let's keep the facts coming.
I rather have 10 cores on one chiplet than 16 cores that is on 2 chiplets.
Bro loosing his mind over AI being mentioned. Well Nvidia just became the 3rd biggest tech company behind Apple and MS, due to riding the AI wave. Jensen just became the 21st richest person or something like that. So yeah the AI buzzword is not going anywhere anytime soon.
Yeah that's called a bubble.
You want to tell me that tech is booming during inflation and high interest rates? Basic economics would like to have a talk with you. This is 100% a bubble.
I'm not saying that ai is not revolutionary, but Nvidia is extremely overbought.
left intel's socket of the month club 2 years ago and I'm lovin it!
Thanks!
Hybrids incoming i think. Expecting Pcores with 3D cache and Ecores. Especially after the multi chiplet GPU design.
Great ice bucket Paul, I think you're right on the money...also AI AI AI AI😂
Well if the IPC is that (30-40%) good I could live with a 6 core r5,..maybe they could add like 4 e-cores,6+4 and 8+8 for the r7...but still a clean 16 core for the r9, there's still lots of kernels limited to 8 cores, today, for consumers above 16-20 cores is still overkill.
Doubtful. Amd never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity these days. They had to lower prices on Zen4 as the launch prices were terrible
Had to? Dellusional. We'll hardly understand corporate logic, as a mortal understanding eternity.
Intel will give you 8 P cores with 8 threads and 16 E cores with 16 threads. Arrowlake doesnt support Hyperthreading at all. Intel cant keep up with 9950X in multithreaded performance but it may have more single threaded performance but AMD has VCache to compete in gaming.
What we need is:
Ryzen 1 8100 4c8t 2 chiplets
Ryzen 1 8200 4c8t, 1 chiplet
Ryzen 3 8300 6c12t, 2 chiplets
Ryzen 3 8400 6c12t, 1 chiplet
Ryzen 5 8500 8c16t, 1 chiplet
Ryzen 5 8600 10c20t, 2 chiplets
Ryzen 7 8700 16c32t, 2 chiplets
Ryzen 7 8800 21c42t, 3 chiplets
Ryzen 9 8900 24c48t, 3 chiplets
Ryzen 9 8950 32c64t, 4 chiplets
Are we expecting strix point at june 3 ?
Why are you waiting for that?
More hair than me😅
lol
Looking good baby. Love Red hair, you got a sister
I just bought a 7800X3D...this is so annoying.
Just enjoy it man. Anything new will come at a higher starting price than what currently is...
😊
Zen 5 doesn't seem that interesting of an uplift, if the 9600X would be on par with a 7800X3D then that'd be crazy good but I don't think that's gonna happen unfortunately. Zen 5 X3D CPUs look more interesting.
They should just add "x"s per future generations😂
Intel will destroy AMD with Arrow lake.
1:20 Obviously nvidia will just talk AI because they have to reason to discuss 5090 since AMD isn't doing shit in the high end gpu space
New cpus will be slightly faster than the old cpus and cost the same.
Intel is in the rear view mirror. No point in pushing any harder just competing against your own products
AMD Processors have become very powerful vs Intel. I think Intel is losing its market. I bought recently AMD Ryzen 9 5900x is a beast also I have my gaming laptop with amd ryzen 7 5800H and mini gaming pc with amd ryzen 7 5700G. Awesome and powerful performance in any game I throw on these processors.
the 5900x is better than it looks on paper for sure
Intel might be barely better for gaming, but ultimately amd has better multicore performance, and far better power consumption, it's nice to have a couple of extra frames on paper until you realize you can't cool the cpu properly through conventional means.... Also, energy costs money.
Considering you run a 3080 10gb in your rig and talk trash about the 5090 not knowing that 30-50% increase in native 4k performance is expected shows you don't know anything. Go back to flipping burgers because this pc content clearly isn't your strong suit, AMD fanboy that begs for money through patreon.
AMD just take my money. 😂
Ai , Ai , Ai, Ai, Ai , buzz word soup. Enough already.
Ai hype made lisa a billionaire 😂
Try some hair growth products if its not genetical balding🎉
blah, blah...Show me the Money. AMD has always talked the talk.
Yup
They did show you the money with 5950X and 7950X… the 5950X beat the 10900 and 11900K in gaming, and DESTROYED them in productivity. The 7950X beat the 12900K in gaming and productivity. What are you talking about?
It’s also not a win if intel even ties but uses a ridiculous amount of power to do so. 14900ks incoming. 😂
@@justin837yes it is. Power efficiency matters.
@@Dave-dh7rtThey didnt brother. They equalized with the 10900k. 7950x was also equal performer to 12900k. Another victim of misinformation.
Ai is the new crypto, and 3D tv. it is a fad.
Noti gang
Vanilla Zen 5 will be garbage. No one cares about vanilla Zen 5 products. People only care about Zen 5 X3D and that will launch months after ArrowLake. I'm more excited to see how Intel ArrowLake tiles perform in gaming.
Anyone who thinks AI is a good thing are fools.
i think you might be a bit crazy mate lmao but hiliarous
Probably because he gave up breathing oxygen in favor of vapors
What are we going ro see? More overpriced garbage.
The cpu market is insane right now what the fuck are you talking about? Sorry that 2016 pricing is never comi g back but you need to get over it
They need to do 8 core R5s.
hold your hypes dude, come on, be real, each time AMD created hype they shit their pants. Is AMD... if will be good, expect huge prices so take it with a grain of salt.
The worst thing to ever have faith in is an AMD leak. At best they might actually achieve their claims, at worst it falls far short. Remember the 7900XTX was supposed to be "2-3x" of the 6950xt but a _minimum_ 2x?
AMD makes perfectly fine products but they are their own biggest fanboys so their leaks are often horribly inaccurate. The concerning part here is Zen5 leaks are stating only 10% uplift, while Arrow Lake is sounding more like 20%. If this is true Zen5 is already sounding like a resounding "meh" when you know those MSRPs are going to skyrocket back up. Then you have fanboys like More Coleslaw Is Dead that _still_ claim the X3D is 30% faster than a 13900k which isn't even close to reality, and even he reluctantly admitted Arrow Lake will likely take the gaming crown back.
At the very least never underestimate AMD's inherent ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by bad pricing and flubbed launches.
Honestly, I’m ashamed to admit that the only reason I don’t like amd cpus right now is because they look bad lol 🤣
you mean IHS?
R.I.P amd!!!!
😂😂😂😂, RIP Intel. They have absolutely NOTHING coming down the pipeline. Server, mobile, or desktop 🤣🤣🤣
@@Manicmick3069 Did you forget Arrow Lake is also coming late this year? And Arrow Lake is the _real_ uplift akin to Alder Lake, not like how Meteor Lake was another Tiger Lake which focused on efficiency.
@@zodwraith5745 its interesting how they are just dismissing intels new nodes coming online now first with 2nm with Arrow Lake and then 1.8nm next year, isnt AMD stuck with TSMC's 3nm? And can we actually write of Intel before seeing their new nodes in real tests? Seems like fanboyism and not realism or grounded in reality.
@hee Welcome to UA-cam, where the AMD fanboys graze freely on hopium and copium.
Although I doubt Intel's 20a will be able to match the clock speeds of Intel7 right out of the gate so it may take a gen to work out the kinks.
@@zodwraith5745 yeah but their ambitions and direction seems clear with the name change, no longer measuring in nm is quite something. And intel used to be far better at making efficient designs so who knows what we get now that they are finally past the hurdles of 14++++++++++ ad infinitum and have competitve nodes again instead of lagging behind on that area. If they need one or two iterations I am not so worried about as they have a great track record.
15%?! Hilariously bad.
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