@@StochasticUniverse I'm the chatter. Previously we talked about Exposure and Response Prevention, and how thankful I was for her recommending it to me. A lot of people didn't know about that ERP at the time and it led to a lot of chatters being a little confused. Later I got to thinking about what if you used Erotic roleplay to treat OCD, and I asked her about it.
I'm glad somebody's taking the time to explain it to a wider audience. I had a coworker who couldn't tap on something with a touch screen without afterwards tapping an empty space, and she had OCD, presumably a more mild case. That's why I get annoyed when people seem to unironically think OCD is just perfectionism
Just wanted to say that I have recently been diagnosed with OCD, so it's nice in some small way to see people be open about it. Hope everyone is having a good day.
2:52 Technically speaking, it's a neurotransmitter, not a hormone. Hormones are substances that are released into your blood which then propagate throughout your body. Neurotransmitters only very narrowly exist in the synapses between neurons. One is global and pervades every part of you, the other only exists in a tiny area of a very specific body part.
It's amazing how much sense this makes to me. This and Dan Avidan's explanation of connecting thoughts together, show what it's really like in a great way. I know I don't have OCD, but I do have ADHD, and I'm beginning to wonder how many neurological issues can be boiled down to dysfunctions in the reward center of the brain. Because seriously, that thing going off seems to have grievous consequences in different ways. ADHD is basically the brain failing to generate enough reward from anything at all, and both stress and joy are damn near the same thing as far as it matters. That's why the intrusive thoughts happen. We have them too, but I notice it has nothing to do with "what if I purposefully did X" type stuff. For me it's, "Hey, remember that thing you did?" or "Hey, remember your phobia?" The brain just recalls anything that's stimulating because it's under-stimulated constantly. Also yeah, the organization thing really isn't OCD at all. Everyone likes things organized. Now if you find organization really, really fun and enjoy structuring things a lot? And like, nothing's properly structured enough including systems of people, ways of acting, that kind of thing? Well friend, you might want to see if you're one of us Autistic people, because boy do we like structure. Note, this does not mean we're good at it whatsoever, and I absolutely hate that.
Intrusive thoughts can be weird, relateable or scary. The 'I could crash the car' or 'Jump in front of that car' kind of thoughts. The scary ones are like: I am having a nice meal with friends at a restaurant 'Hit him with that bottle of water!'... *Insert meme of skeleton taking out brain: "Shut up"*
As someone with ocd. Its really nice to hear geega talking about it openly, makes me feel less alone. And its super nice to also hear how researched ahe is too I remember i thought i was a narcissist for a year plus. It was a horrid feeling.
8:13 This explanation reminds me of something I ended up doing because of one of my reoccurring intrusive thoughts. I think it may have stemmed from a somewhat legitimate fear because I would frequently run around the house completely mindlessly (I was later diagnosed with adhd) and we had 2 cats. Because of this I got told to be careful, because one day id run into the animals or step on them, and looking back around that same time I started getting intrusive thoughts / imagery of crushing the cats skulls under my heel when I'd walk past them. (Now's probably a good time to reference back to what Geega said in the video about intrusive thoughts being distressing things you'd never do / don't want to happen). Unfortunately, this made me want to avoid being near our cats after i got that intrusive thought, and because I felt guilty about it, it got worse. I'm not sure why my brain latched onto that in particular, maybe just cause I do love animals. Eventually I found that it helped more if I reached out and pet the cat calmly, but I had to be careful that I didn't feel like I was "apologizing" to my cats for having the intrusive thought. Its interesting to look back on in hindsight.
My intrusive thoughts were always crashing the car (I did a 90 minute drive twice a week and thought about it the WHOLE TIME, which was exhausting) and knocking over any liquid container (I still have that one, but at least I'm not looking around for cans and glasses when there's no reason for them to be anywhere). I was diagnosed with severe depression, anxiety and suspected PTSD, but some therapy and a lifelong prescription for "happy pills" have done a great deal to alleviate my symptoms.
It actually beats the alternative. I'm old enough that when I was diagnosed with OCD at the age of 11, essentially nobody outside mental health professionals had ever heard of it or knew what it was. People calling themselves OCD to be hip might be annoying, but it's much worse when they call YOU "crazy", which is what used to happen.
@@StochasticUniverse that is a very fair point! People have no idea what you are going and treat like a crazy person could be as annoying as people that say's "juste stop!"
Considering i'd always been one of the people who thought it was an organisational thing I would like to thank geega for explaining what it actually is.
I never knew it was OCD to group things into specific numbers. I too had to do everything in sets of 4 for everything. It's not as prominent now but it does still exist there for me. Had no idea that's what it was, I'm definitely going to get a professional's opinion on it now. Thanks Geega 😁
OCD is basically any time you look at things that normal people think are anodyne and you're like, "This is just WRONG." And it botherrs you so much that you just can't stop thinking about it. That's the definition of obsession. The compulsion that goes with it is the thing you do in order to restore the universe to a state of "rightness". And it won't be right until you do it, and it won't leave you alone and you will know no peace until you do what you gotta do to fix it. So, in your example: if have a set of 3 and it bothers you so much that it's a form of derangement, where you feel an overpowering need to actually fix it and rearrange everything until there's a grouping of 4, and then upon rearranging it, you feel an immediate sense of relief, that is probably clinical OCD.
I do have OCD and I've known it for a long time, but I've only recently been realizing how deep it goes... think i just realized my "fear of knives" is also an OCD thing...
Idk if it's diagnosed, but one of my brother and my boss at least think they have some kind it? My brother as an example can't think of anything else if he knows something in his house (like drinking glasses) does not have an exact number of it until he buys what's missing or replaces it with another in the right quantity if the kind he has is not available anymore after one broke. He can't even have a hidden stash to replace the broken ones as long as he knows about it For my boss I only know he needs to check if everything is locked, shut down, or unplugged a dozen times. Don't know anything else. But the french term is used quite loosely, so I don't think he used the term for the diagnosed disorder but only as an adjective to describe the behavior, which is commonly used like that here too.
My "OCD" idk if it is or not, but whenever i enter a room i plan to stay in for at least 2 mins, i try to lock the door. Assuming I could get surprised suddenly by someone not knocking and instead coming right in. Mostly the bathroom
what she said its pretty mid explanation if you are interested in the topic i would highly sudgest to do more research. She didnt really mentioned the main part of ocd are the obssesive thoughts( O-cd) which people try to fix with the compulsions (o-C-d). the thoughts are often Violent, or sexual or both. Its often the persons worst fear.
I don't think sex or violence are very common, actually. The single most common form of OCD is contamination concerns, which entails neither sex nor violence. The second most common type are checking behaviors that involve a specific number of repetitons, also generally not entailing sex or violence. The proper way to understand OCD is that it isn't actually a fear-based response at all. It's actually a disgust-based response. When someone with OCD is exposed to one of their triggers, they aren't afraid of it, they're revolted by it. It's repugnant to them. But from the perspective of an outside observer -- or even oneself -- it's often hard to tell the difference between fear and disgust in practical effect (they're both aversive and produce strong, reliable avoidance), although they are different emotions that act upon the individual in a different way, sometimes producing different outcomes. That's the difference between OCD and a phobia. Phobias are irrational fears; OCD is irrational disgust. Disgust is the least well understood of all emotions, though. It wasn't even acknowledged by neuroscience to be a discrete emotion unto itself until just a few decades ago, and the fewest number of clinical studies have been conducted upon it. Gaining more insight into disgust is one of the more promising areas of investigation to learn more about the biological mechanisms of action of OCD, which are very poorly understood, mostly conjectural, and there is an emerging body of evidence that the prevailing dominant theory of seratonin imbalance might not even be accurate. (Also, concomitantly, it's been known for a long time that psychopharmacological interventions for OCD fare pretty poorly, in general. If seratonin imbalances don't cause OCD, that would certainly explain why SSRIs are only minimally effective at treating it for many people, haha. A whole paradigm shift is probably necessary to better treat the condition.)
If you suspect you may have any severity of these symptoms, seek a professional to get a proper diagnosis
For more info check the video description
For context the ERP in question is Erotic Role Play, not Exposure and Response Prevention.
OOOOOOH okay
edit: suddenly the whole conversation makes sense
Enterprise Resource Planning really gets me off
It was a double entendre. I suspect the chatter intentionally implied both meanings. Geega blew right past that, though.
@@StochasticUniverse I'm the chatter. Previously we talked about Exposure and Response Prevention, and how thankful I was for her recommending it to me. A lot of people didn't know about that ERP at the time and it led to a lot of chatters being a little confused. Later I got to thinking about what if you used Erotic roleplay to treat OCD, and I asked her about it.
I'm glad somebody's taking the time to explain it to a wider audience. I had a coworker who couldn't tap on something with a touch screen without afterwards tapping an empty space, and she had OCD, presumably a more mild case. That's why I get annoyed when people seem to unironically think OCD is just perfectionism
Real OCD tends to be fairly life-destroying, like any serious mental illness.
Just wanted to say that I have recently been diagnosed with OCD, so it's nice in some small way to see people be open about it. Hope everyone is having a good day.
2:52 Technically speaking, it's a neurotransmitter, not a hormone. Hormones are substances that are released into your blood which then propagate throughout your body. Neurotransmitters only very narrowly exist in the synapses between neurons. One is global and pervades every part of you, the other only exists in a tiny area of a very specific body part.
It's amazing how much sense this makes to me. This and Dan Avidan's explanation of connecting thoughts together, show what it's really like in a great way. I know I don't have OCD, but I do have ADHD, and I'm beginning to wonder how many neurological issues can be boiled down to dysfunctions in the reward center of the brain. Because seriously, that thing going off seems to have grievous consequences in different ways. ADHD is basically the brain failing to generate enough reward from anything at all, and both stress and joy are damn near the same thing as far as it matters. That's why the intrusive thoughts happen. We have them too, but I notice it has nothing to do with "what if I purposefully did X" type stuff. For me it's, "Hey, remember that thing you did?" or "Hey, remember your phobia?" The brain just recalls anything that's stimulating because it's under-stimulated constantly.
Also yeah, the organization thing really isn't OCD at all. Everyone likes things organized. Now if you find organization really, really fun and enjoy structuring things a lot? And like, nothing's properly structured enough including systems of people, ways of acting, that kind of thing? Well friend, you might want to see if you're one of us Autistic people, because boy do we like structure. Note, this does not mean we're good at it whatsoever, and I absolutely hate that.
I mean, it’s no wonder reputable inhibitors are used for a number of conditions like those.
Intrusive thoughts can be weird, relateable or scary. The 'I could crash the car' or 'Jump in front of that car' kind of thoughts. The scary ones are like: I am having a nice meal with friends at a restaurant 'Hit him with that bottle of water!'... *Insert meme of skeleton taking out brain: "Shut up"*
As someone with ocd. Its really nice to hear geega talking about it openly, makes me feel less alone. And its super nice to also hear how researched ahe is too
I remember i thought i was a narcissist for a year plus. It was a horrid feeling.
This is such a good explanation. As someone who never delved into what OCDs are this was great, It really showed how warped my view of it was.
8:13
This explanation reminds me of something I ended up doing because of one of my reoccurring intrusive thoughts. I think it may have stemmed from a somewhat legitimate fear because I would frequently run around the house completely mindlessly (I was later diagnosed with adhd) and we had 2 cats.
Because of this I got told to be careful, because one day id run into the animals or step on them, and looking back around that same time I started getting intrusive thoughts / imagery of crushing the cats skulls under my heel when I'd walk past them. (Now's probably a good time to reference back to what Geega said in the video about intrusive thoughts being distressing things you'd never do / don't want to happen).
Unfortunately, this made me want to avoid being near our cats after i got that intrusive thought, and because I felt guilty about it, it got worse. I'm not sure why my brain latched onto that in particular, maybe just cause I do love animals. Eventually I found that it helped more if I reached out and pet the cat calmly, but I had to be careful that I didn't feel like I was "apologizing" to my cats for having the intrusive thought. Its interesting to look back on in hindsight.
My intrusive thoughts were always crashing the car (I did a 90 minute drive twice a week and thought about it the WHOLE TIME, which was exhausting) and knocking over any liquid container (I still have that one, but at least I'm not looking around for cans and glasses when there's no reason for them to be anywhere). I was diagnosed with severe depression, anxiety and suspected PTSD, but some therapy and a lifelong prescription for "happy pills" have done a great deal to alleviate my symptoms.
Thank you GEEGA, this was super informative
As someone diagnosed with OCD there's nothing that make me more angry than people saying "hooo in soo ocd"
It actually beats the alternative. I'm old enough that when I was diagnosed with OCD at the age of 11, essentially nobody outside mental health professionals had ever heard of it or knew what it was. People calling themselves OCD to be hip might be annoying, but it's much worse when they call YOU "crazy", which is what used to happen.
@@StochasticUniverse that is a very fair point! People have no idea what you are going and treat like a crazy person could be as annoying as people that say's "juste stop!"
Considering i'd always been one of the people who thought it was an organisational thing I would like to thank geega for explaining what it actually is.
I suspected I had OCD for a long time, until I got diagnosed with ADHD. The intrusive thoughts is what really set me off.
I never knew it was OCD to group things into specific numbers. I too had to do everything in sets of 4 for everything. It's not as prominent now but it does still exist there for me. Had no idea that's what it was, I'm definitely going to get a professional's opinion on it now. Thanks Geega 😁
OCD is basically any time you look at things that normal people think are anodyne and you're like, "This is just WRONG." And it botherrs you so much that you just can't stop thinking about it. That's the definition of obsession. The compulsion that goes with it is the thing you do in order to restore the universe to a state of "rightness". And it won't be right until you do it, and it won't leave you alone and you will know no peace until you do what you gotta do to fix it.
So, in your example: if have a set of 3 and it bothers you so much that it's a form of derangement, where you feel an overpowering need to actually fix it and rearrange everything until there's a grouping of 4, and then upon rearranging it, you feel an immediate sense of relief, that is probably clinical OCD.
I do have OCD and I've known it for a long time, but I've only recently been realizing how deep it goes... think i just realized my "fear of knives" is also an OCD thing...
Thanks for the info. 👍
Idk if it's diagnosed, but one of my brother and my boss at least think they have some kind it?
My brother as an example can't think of anything else if he knows something in his house (like drinking glasses) does not have an exact number of it until he buys what's missing or replaces it with another in the right quantity if the kind he has is not available anymore after one broke. He can't even have a hidden stash to replace the broken ones as long as he knows about it
For my boss I only know he needs to check if everything is locked, shut down, or unplugged a dozen times. Don't know anything else. But the french term is used quite loosely, so I don't think he used the term for the diagnosed disorder but only as an adjective to describe the behavior, which is commonly used like that here too.
My "OCD" idk if it is or not, but whenever i enter a room i plan to stay in for at least 2 mins, i try to lock the door. Assuming I could get surprised suddenly by someone not knocking and instead coming right in. Mostly the bathroom
what is it called when your worried about the intrusive thoughts because sometimes You do it without thinking and have to catch yourself
folks don't understand what obsession and compulsion really mean
ha HA!
My depression IS real then!
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what she said its pretty mid explanation if you are interested in the topic i would highly sudgest to do more research. She didnt really mentioned the main part of ocd are the obssesive thoughts( O-cd) which people try to fix with the compulsions (o-C-d). the thoughts are often Violent, or sexual or both. Its often the persons worst fear.
I don't think sex or violence are very common, actually. The single most common form of OCD is contamination concerns, which entails neither sex nor violence. The second most common type are checking behaviors that involve a specific number of repetitons, also generally not entailing sex or violence.
The proper way to understand OCD is that it isn't actually a fear-based response at all. It's actually a disgust-based response. When someone with OCD is exposed to one of their triggers, they aren't afraid of it, they're revolted by it. It's repugnant to them. But from the perspective of an outside observer -- or even oneself -- it's often hard to tell the difference between fear and disgust in practical effect (they're both aversive and produce strong, reliable avoidance), although they are different emotions that act upon the individual in a different way, sometimes producing different outcomes.
That's the difference between OCD and a phobia. Phobias are irrational fears; OCD is irrational disgust. Disgust is the least well understood of all emotions, though. It wasn't even acknowledged by neuroscience to be a discrete emotion unto itself until just a few decades ago, and the fewest number of clinical studies have been conducted upon it. Gaining more insight into disgust is one of the more promising areas of investigation to learn more about the biological mechanisms of action of OCD, which are very poorly understood, mostly conjectural, and there is an emerging body of evidence that the prevailing dominant theory of seratonin imbalance might not even be accurate. (Also, concomitantly, it's been known for a long time that psychopharmacological interventions for OCD fare pretty poorly, in general. If seratonin imbalances don't cause OCD, that would certainly explain why SSRIs are only minimally effective at treating it for many people, haha. A whole paradigm shift is probably necessary to better treat the condition.)