Are the panels server reliant? Or in other words if span’s servers went down rather just from age or because their power went out, would you still be able to control the panels? Ideally you want it to produce its own local server that you can connect to locally that way it’s never interruptible.
At this time, SPAN requires a working internet connection in order to interface with Panel. We are always evaluating new platforms and hope to offer an API for local control in the future, however, there is no set timeline for when or if this will become public. In the event that an internet connection is lost or unavailable, the SPAN Panel would continue to operate as a standard electrical panel built to comply with the safety standards of the National Electric Code.
This technology doesn't seem to be very complex and hard to make but someone first had to come up with this idea. Good job. For me this shows that innovations do not have to be taken straight from sci-fi movie but can be relatively simple. As long as you have an idea, will and means to realize it, you can call yourself an inventor.
The BEST thing about Span panels is the lack of a critical load panel. You get to decide what you want to power, then change to something else when you don't want that running. Example, you could have power to your kitchen so you could make dinner, change to your laundry area to run a load of wash, then switch to power in a bedroom or living room after turning off the power to the laundry area. That means that your backup power device may not have to supply as much power. It's dynamic!
As an electrician and homeowner I love the idea of seeing real-time data and power consumption per breaker/circuit. As far as in-app control I don’t see a use case for that unless you’re on a battery backup system like in the video and need to be able to load manage on the fly. It’s a very niche product but really cool!
I bet you have a home generator hooked up to your electric breaker . I always wanted that because we used to have the power go out often. now we have a stand alone power generator hooked up to the transfer switch. What do you think about EMP is that safe to put on your breaker switch . So it doesn't affect our breaker if it get hit by EMP .
Well, in South Africa, there is load shedding. Load shedding is where the country does not have power for a certain time daily. If you want to have power during this, you can use a generator or solar power. If you get solar power then when the power goes off, solar power kicks in and your whole house will have power.
Even if they have some kind of cell connection so you don't lose connectivity, maybe it's best if my entire home's power control doesn't go outside my home unless I need it to. Also, imagine if Span as a company shuts down. What happens then? Does your expensive circuit breaker just stop working?
Today, SPAN does not have an open API for local control. Our users’ privacy and security is of the utmost importance. All communication pathways between devices connected to your SPAN panel and between the SPAN panel and the cloud are encrypted using industry-standard security protocol including TLS 1.2 and AES-256.
How does the SPAN backplane route power around to different breakers? A series of relays on the backplane? Sounds like another point of failure that you're introducing. 😆 (In addition to the point of failure that is - what happens when the internet goes down?)
Its a shame there isn't bidirection charging as you've got 5x more capacity in each tesla than your powerwalls. You could even drive over to a supercharger to charge it and drive it back to use at home.
@@span_io - I'm one of your biggest fans. I'm loving my Span panel. It helped me figure out that the consumption reader(?) for my upgraded Enphase microinverters had a problem.
I definitely love this and would love to upgrade. My concern is having a panel that breaks electrically. It’s another point of failure that I have concern about reliability. Dumb panels are very simple behind the breaker.
nice set up man the only thing that would help your power walls look cleaner is running the circuits through the wall and come in through the back of them
How is the data kept private and secured? Is it stored on-device or sent to a server somewhere? Why didn’t the electricians do the labeling? They pulled the cables, it would make sense the labeling was done there and then…
I have two span panels. Span do not support two panels! They show up as seperate houses and you have to switch in the app. The second panel has to be wired up as a sub panel. This means you cannot have the powerwall will feed both panels but the only one span panel (the primary) will know that there is an outage. Span do not logically connect the panels. It also means that you cannot have "areas" that span span panels. This all means you have to plan what goes in each panel. The sub panel will get power but it will; not automatically turn off cuircits becasue it does not know there is a problem. btw span answer is that they will release a bigger panel some day.
if you had a loxone system instead of control4 you could manage the power walls without this span. With the span you would have a huge control over the house with a loxone system, with a energy meter read out in the app.
This guy is not running a Home, he's running an Enterprise, Props to him for adapting this and to the SPAN Team for their knowledge and Patience to build this.
1 Fridge Plug, 1 extra Plug some where in house for charging phone and perhaps a tv and vcr or dvd player. 1 Plug in a bathroom so can put in a plug in light there. That is pretty much all that is really needed. ZERO reason to have more then that. I mean Why have more then that and Risk running batteries down to nothing to fast. Also having a back up Fuel generator is Also a Good Idea to have on hand too.
This all looks very nice, but for this to work, you need separate wiring for each wall socket to a circuit breaker, right? Normally you have multiple wall sockets and ceiling lights behind 1 circuit breaker. Or am i missing something in the video?
does Savant Power work independently? Like the home in this video I have Control4 as well and wasn't sure how that'd work if or if required to have other Savant products as well
It sure does! Complete solar & storage monitoring right from the home app-- Check out the video around the 6:30 mark for a view of the home screen that also shows the solar energy that Dan is generating which is helping power his home.
I would like something like that, however what happens when they go out of business or the cloud app gets hacked? From both a person that has seen cool companies come and go, and the way technology evolves, how long will it be until they are obsoleted and no longer supported, cloud servers go away or manufacture stops supporting it? Home infrastructure have to be careful with leading edge when it needs to be good for 25 or more years as most panels don't get changed out until way later in life. 🤠
The important thing is that it can survive offline, SPAN's bankruptcy, a lack of phone and whatnot... To that effect, can it integrate on them local network with an open API to Home Assistant and other smart hubs?
Great videos and thanks for sharing. Would like to see Span integrate with more backup power options, such as Kohler Generators. I was unable to install solar due to not enough unobscured south facing roof space, so went with a Kohler Generator that has load shedding features to provide full home coverage in the event of long term outage during hurricanes and floods (Houston, TX here). I met with span prior to the install and they said they didn’t have any plans to do so. That’s disappointing, there’s a big opportunity to make an impact on a very large generator market.
SPAN is compatible with all AC-coupled battery storage solutions and generators! Major generator brands that we are compatible with include: Generac, Kohler, Cummins, Honeywell, and more 👍
SPAN Panel contains an internet-connected gateway that connects via ethernet and Wi-Fi. In the case of an internet outage, SPAN Panel automatically switches to a cellular backup connection when available.
Hey man i am building a new house and i am interested in ur tesla +span set up , what might be an aprox cost for the project , my house will be 1/2 in scale
Over 7 years ago I had a Generac 20KW whole house natural gas generator installed. I don't have to worry about the lifetime of the batteries. When the power goes out I can hear the solenoids in the auto-switch box disconnect from the city power. At the same time the generator has started and going up to power. Just before 10 seconds the box on the outside switches over to the generator. It does have a load sharing feature which I don't need. I heat with natural gas, my water heater and clothes dryer is all natural gas.
The panel contains an internet-connected gateway that connects via ethernet & Wi-Fi. In the case of an internet outage, SPAN automatically switches to a cellular backup connection when available. SPAN will continue to operate according to its most recent settings even when home internet or cellular service are temporarily lost and will also continue to monitor the utility grid and transition into off-grid mode in the event of a power outage 👍
Very cool but one question, pardon me if I simply missed it. But…CAN you plug in your Tesla vehicles and have them supplement the two battery wall things? Like having 4 power wall things or even more?
A lot of people are talking about POWER OUTAGES throughout The United States. My local Power Company sent all customers a letter , explaining there's a chance we could have a brown / black power outage. And they even given a list of merchandise to buy , like flashlights, etcccc and be prepared. The CEO was on the local news explaining again and wanted even the next residents in the next state , be prepared. This is very RARE to be Warned THIS MUCH. My spouse made sure we are prepared for many many things.
I was looking at the span panels but my understanding is that you link a powerwall (or powerwalls) to that individual panel and they don’t work together (say Panel A doesn’t need much but Panel B is draining it’s powerwall. Panel B can’t take the power from Panel A’s powerwall) Also, I believe they said the app shows each panel as it’s own island and they can’t link together yet, is that still the case?
Looks good. We have now smart software you can see the same as in Span and still have the same breakers. Mmm a big change wat you can do here in Europe with software.
Cool and all, but what happens when span starts charging you monthly for keeping your power on :) just saying that basic functionality might not be somthing that you want a company to have full control over. Also can I run this 100 locally and not send any data to a "cloud"
Wow in the uk all that wiring would have to ripped out as it would not meet code due to no insulation on the earth wires plus looks like there is not much difference in the cable size and why is you lighting drawing so much power do you not have LED lighting that is a crazy amount of power going to you lights
Hello Dan, love the videos. Can you tell me what your average electric bill runs per month? I just purchased a new home and in the process of turning it into a smart house. Keep up the great work! Love to meet ya someday. I’m an automation engineer and write robot and PLC code all day. I think we could get along great. Have a great Friday!
It's a nice device, but I don't think it'll solve all of your energy problems on its own. Given your current setup, it may be possible to keep the lights on if your solar system is still working, and it provides enough power to run your home and recharge the Tesla Powerwalls. Otherwise, you're going to run out of power at some point during the day. If you really want to make sure your power never goes out, you should invest in a backup generator. It can provide power and recharge your batteries when your solar panels aren't working. Of course, you might also want to look into increasing your storage capacity. Adding more Powerwalls would be a good idea.
i want it but the price is too high and the installation will also be high, I don't need that size Span and they only have one size panel currently, unless that has changed this week.?
If the power goes out. The internet might go out as well. Not all service providers provide backup power to all required areas for the user to connect.
In the case of an internet outage, SPAN automatically switches to a cellular backup connection when available. The SPAN Panel will continue to operate according to its most recent settings even when home internet or cellular service are temporarily lost. The SPAN system will also continue to monitor the utility grid and transition into off-grid mode in the event of a power outage.
That's an awesome panel. Definitly want that on our next place.
hi Zach
Keep us posted! We'd love to help out.
ello!
Yeah, same!
Wait you guys are getting a new house
I want them to build a new home and move just for new construction videos again. I loved those!
They can just build me a house and I'll show them what's inside haha. Moving is building is a pain though.
Are the panels server reliant? Or in other words if span’s servers went down rather just from age or because their power went out, would you still be able to control the panels?
Ideally you want it to produce its own local server that you can connect to locally that way it’s never interruptible.
asking the important questions!
At this time, SPAN requires a working internet connection in order to interface with Panel. We are always evaluating new platforms and hope to offer an API for local control in the future, however, there is no set timeline for when or if this will become public. In the event that an internet connection is lost or unavailable, the SPAN Panel would continue to operate as a standard electrical panel built to comply with the safety standards of the National Electric Code.
@@PerfectPrinceX1 im guessing it would just become like any other panel except you paid 5k for it
Can we have Leslie do a Christmas decor home tour?
nice idea
Yes
What’s Inside Christmas 2K22. And make it a series every year
You should say what's inside chrismas house decoration
@@Jewraser decor and decorations the same thing 😂
This technology doesn't seem to be very complex and hard to make but someone first had to come up with this idea. Good job.
For me this shows that innovations do not have to be taken straight from sci-fi movie but can be relatively simple. As long as you have an idea, will and means to realize it, you can call yourself an inventor.
The BEST thing about Span panels is the lack of a critical load panel. You get to decide what you want to power, then change to something else when you don't want that running. Example, you could have power to your kitchen so you could make dinner, change to your laundry area to run a load of wash, then switch to power in a bedroom or living room after turning off the power to the laundry area. That means that your backup power device may not have to supply as much power. It's dynamic!
As an electrician and homeowner I love the idea of seeing real-time data and power consumption per breaker/circuit. As far as in-app control I don’t see a use case for that unless you’re on a battery backup system like in the video and need to be able to load manage on the fly. It’s a very niche product but really cool!
I bet you have a home generator hooked up to your electric breaker . I always wanted that because we used to
have the power go out often. now we have a stand alone power generator hooked up to the transfer switch.
What do you think about EMP is that safe to put on your breaker switch . So it doesn't affect our breaker if
it get hit by EMP .
@@debbiec6216 you mean a surge protector?
I agree on the tree stuff BUT, it makes Leslie super happy so i allow it :)
Well, in South Africa, there is load shedding. Load shedding is where the country does not have power for a certain time daily. If you want to have power during this, you can use a generator or solar power. If you get solar power then when the power goes off, solar power kicks in and your whole house will have power.
I hope these communicate locally. It'd be funny if they talked cloud based, but when the power goes out there's usually no internet lol.
They don't, they need internet to work.
Even if they have some kind of cell connection so you don't lose connectivity, maybe it's best if my entire home's power control doesn't go outside my home unless I need it to. Also, imagine if Span as a company shuts down. What happens then? Does your expensive circuit breaker just stop working?
There is a local rest API in the works.
Really crazy to see how the neighborhood has filled out now. Hope yall are well out there
I love the must have and want for the power outages
Does it have Local connection (host own server inside the panel) or its Cloud based connection?
Today, SPAN does not have an open API for local control. Our users’ privacy and security is of the utmost importance. All communication pathways between devices connected to your SPAN panel and between the SPAN panel and the cloud are encrypted using industry-standard security protocol including TLS 1.2 and AES-256.
How does the SPAN backplane route power around to different breakers? A series of relays on the backplane? Sounds like another point of failure that you're introducing. 😆 (In addition to the point of failure that is - what happens when the internet goes down?)
Its a shame there isn't bidirection charging as you've got 5x more capacity in each tesla than your powerwalls. You could even drive over to a supercharger to charge it and drive it back to use at home.
Hey SPAN... Let me know if you need another tester... Really cool that it can integrate with your power walls and everything.
We absolutely will do 👍
Hi
@@span_io - I'm one of your biggest fans. I'm loving my Span panel. It helped me figure out that the consumption reader(?) for my upgraded Enphase microinverters had a problem.
@@span_io do you have people who do this in Hawaii? I’m interested.
I remember seeing all the new smart panels at the IBS convention. Crazy stuff
I definitely love this and would love to upgrade. My concern is having a panel that breaks electrically. It’s another point of failure that I have concern about reliability. Dumb panels are very simple behind the breaker.
Nice to see Lincon all grown up with a job now.
nice set up man the only thing that would help your power walls look cleaner is running the circuits through the wall and come in through the back of them
So glad to still see Zack's statue on guard...
That is a must have for whatever system you are using 👏👏👏
It s true dan you got smart house
Y'all living my dream, thanks for showing us all the details!
The app GUI is impressive
The panels look awesome! But I'm still waiting to see what's inside the statue
How is the data kept private and secured? Is it stored on-device or sent to a server somewhere? Why didn’t the electricians do the labeling? They pulled the cables, it would make sense the labeling was done there and then…
I have two span panels. Span do not support two panels! They show up as seperate houses and you have to switch in the app. The second panel has to be wired up as a sub panel. This means you cannot have the powerwall will feed both panels but the only one span panel (the primary) will know that there is an outage. Span do not logically connect the panels. It also means that you cannot have "areas" that span span panels. This all means you have to plan what goes in each panel. The sub panel will get power but it will; not automatically turn off cuircits becasue it does not know there is a problem.
btw span answer is that they will release a bigger panel some day.
At 1:49 he said do not try this at home but we can try in at our friends house right 😂😂😂
I like the OG what’s inside.
Man, it would be great to have one of those in our home. I know I couldn't afford it though. I'll have to live through you guys for now! Great video!!
if you had a loxone system instead of control4 you could manage the power walls without this span. With the span you would have a huge control over the house with a loxone system, with a energy meter read out in the app.
Morning Dan, love your content jus need more often and much longer videos...
This guy is not running a Home, he's running an Enterprise, Props to him for adapting this and to the SPAN Team for their knowledge and Patience to build this.
Ive been waiting for smart panels to come out this is amazing, I hope they are easy to fix though and dont have problems in 10-30 years
this is so cool
1 Fridge Plug, 1 extra Plug some where in house for charging phone and perhaps a tv and vcr or dvd player. 1 Plug in a bathroom so can put in a plug in light there. That is pretty much all that is really needed. ZERO reason to have more then that.
I mean Why have more then that and Risk running batteries down to nothing to fast. Also having a back up Fuel generator is Also a Good Idea to have on hand too.
Sending it to the studio at first was a smart idea. Nice and easy to keep warm or cool. But this new smart panel is way better.
Truly smart home….
Technology has come so far
I like that.. will it work with old house built in 1974?
This is really interesting. Smart panels is a great idea it makes sense especially for a new modern home like yours.
This all looks very nice, but for this to work, you need separate wiring for each wall socket to a circuit breaker, right? Normally you have multiple wall sockets and ceiling lights behind 1 circuit breaker. Or am i missing something in the video?
You should take a Look at Savant Power, it runs laps arround this SPAN Panel.
does Savant Power work independently? Like the home in this video I have Control4 as well and wasn't sure how that'd work if or if required to have other Savant products as well
Is the service box already integrated with GFCI and EMP protection?
I love how Dan is tech guy!
I love tech myself!
Does this calculate alongside with the solar panel’s too? So it’s showing battery left, but also solar power inserting power?
It sure does! Complete solar & storage monitoring right from the home app-- Check out the video around the 6:30 mark for a view of the home screen that also shows the solar energy that Dan is generating which is helping power his home.
Recently started making my building smart, amazing how many data points you have now. Saving money already !
I would like something like that, however what happens when they go out of business or the cloud app gets hacked? From both a person that has seen cool companies come and go, and the way technology evolves, how long will it be until they are obsoleted and no longer supported, cloud servers go away or manufacture stops supporting it? Home infrastructure have to be careful with leading edge when it needs to be good for 25 or more years as most panels don't get changed out until way later in life. 🤠
is there an app alert when there is any smart panel problems?
..like the cooling fans on the bottom of the panel going out?
I'm totally loving these panels. I want to get them when they support my enpahse batteries.
The important thing is that it can survive offline, SPAN's bankruptcy, a lack of phone and whatnot...
To that effect, can it integrate on them local network with an open API to Home Assistant and other smart hubs?
Is the SPAN panel cloud connected? So that way, when the SPAN company goes out of business, you are SOL? 😆
Nice video. Post more often please. You're an OG
Great videos and thanks for sharing. Would like to see Span integrate with more backup power options, such as Kohler Generators. I was unable to install solar due to not enough unobscured south facing roof space, so went with a Kohler Generator that has load shedding features to provide full home coverage in the event of long term outage during hurricanes and floods (Houston, TX here). I met with span prior to the install and they said they didn’t have any plans to do so. That’s disappointing, there’s a big opportunity to make an impact on a very large generator market.
SPAN is compatible with all AC-coupled battery storage solutions and generators! Major generator brands that we are compatible with include: Generac, Kohler, Cummins, Honeywell, and more 👍
Can you still use the app when the internet is down? Or will it be uncontrollable
exactly my first thought unless it uses its own closed wifi network
SPAN Panel contains an internet-connected gateway that connects via ethernet and Wi-Fi. In the case of an internet outage, SPAN Panel automatically switches to a cellular backup connection when available.
Hey man i am building a new house and i am interested in ur tesla +span set up , what might be an aprox cost for the project , my house will be 1/2 in scale
Software can get updates and get smarter!
AWEsome, what type of price is that box. I kw install varies. Being in control of ur electric is Sweet....
$4,500 for SPAN and it costs the same to install as a standard electrical panel. Installation costs vary and are determined by your electrician 👍
I’m big fan
Over 7 years ago I had a Generac 20KW whole house natural gas generator installed. I don't have to worry about the lifetime of the batteries.
When the power goes out I can hear the solenoids in the auto-switch box disconnect from the city power. At the same time the generator has
started and going up to power. Just before 10 seconds the box on the outside switches over to the generator.
It does have a load sharing feature which I don't need. I heat with natural gas, my water heater and clothes dryer is all natural gas.
what are those bigger gray panels next to the electrical panels?
Lighting controls with our control 4 system
congrats of 2 million
So does it this require an internet connection? What happens if you lose that?
The panel contains an internet-connected gateway that connects via ethernet & Wi-Fi. In the case of an internet outage, SPAN automatically switches to a cellular backup connection when available. SPAN will continue to operate according to its most recent settings even when home internet or cellular service are temporarily lost and will also continue to monitor the utility grid and transition into off-grid mode in the event of a power outage 👍
Very cool but one question, pardon me if I simply missed it. But…CAN you plug in your Tesla vehicles and have them supplement the two battery wall things? Like having 4 power wall things or even more?
7:20 Your air conditioner likely does not use 546 watts. This is probably just the blower motor for your furnace. 😆
Can we get a vid on how y’all do your Christmas decorating? ( also on how you got your tree to look that good! )
1:40 insert COD meme here (Bravo Six Going Dark 🌑 🕶️)
I really... really want these!
This is really cool!
I’ve done Lutron systems here in Michigan very similar
A lot of people are talking about POWER OUTAGES throughout The United States.
My local Power Company sent all customers a letter , explaining there's a chance we could have a brown / black power outage. And they even given a list of merchandise to buy , like flashlights, etcccc and be prepared.
The CEO was on the local news explaining again and wanted even the next residents in the next state , be prepared.
This is very RARE to be Warned THIS MUCH. My spouse made sure we are prepared for many many things.
I was looking at the span panels but my understanding is that you link a powerwall (or powerwalls) to that individual panel and they don’t work together (say Panel A doesn’t need much but Panel B is draining it’s powerwall. Panel B can’t take the power from Panel A’s powerwall)
Also, I believe they said the app shows each panel as it’s own island and they can’t link together yet, is that still the case?
Looks good. We have now smart software you can see the same as in Span and still have the same breakers. Mmm a big change wat you can do here in Europe with software.
Really cool and smart 🧠
This is pretty cool.
I every time readed Spam 😂
I have to say your house looks awesome!
Nice video! How big is your service? 400 amp?
Do a comparison between the Span charger and the tesla wall charger
God your span install went much smoother that’s mine…6 month in still don’t have mine online or even my solar turned on…fml
Cool and all, but what happens when span starts charging you monthly for keeping your power on :) just saying that basic functionality might not be somthing that you want a company to have full control over.
Also can I run this 100 locally and not send any data to a "cloud"
I am aware of SPAN, pretty cool. You said you made your house smarter. What is it what makes your house smart without the SPAN?
Cool system really curious to see how these develop over the next decade or so
As an Electrician, that panel looks really sick, but I do hope it's run locally and not cloud based!
Nut does it work with Home Assistant? and if it doesn't, does it have an API so it can work with Home Assistant in the future?
Wow in the uk all that wiring would have to ripped out as it would not meet code due to no insulation on the earth wires plus looks like there is not much difference in the cable size and why is you lighting drawing so much power do you not have LED lighting that is a crazy amount of power going to you lights
Hello Dan, love the videos. Can you tell me what your average electric bill runs per month? I just purchased a new home and in the process of turning it into a smart house. Keep up the great work! Love to meet ya someday. I’m an automation engineer and write robot and PLC code all day. I think we could get along great. Have a great Friday!
How does it compare to the Leviton Smart Load Center?
Me and my dad did that
It's a nice device, but I don't think it'll solve all of your energy problems on its own. Given your current setup, it may be possible to keep the lights on if your solar system is still working, and it provides enough power to run your home and recharge the Tesla Powerwalls. Otherwise, you're going to run out of power at some point during the day.
If you really want to make sure your power never goes out, you should invest in a backup generator. It can provide power and recharge your batteries when your solar panels aren't working. Of course, you might also want to look into increasing your storage capacity. Adding more Powerwalls would be a good idea.
Smart home Christmas lights vid?
i want it but the price is too high and the installation will also be high, I don't need that size Span and they only have one size panel currently, unless that has changed this week.?
Lol coolest parents ever
Pretty cool. Can't imagine the cost though lol.
Did you switch off of the tesla wall chargers?
im just gunna point it out i dont think the golf sim is a must have i think its more a nice to have thing, youll survive without it
Very cool tech love it
i love the smart home
If the power goes out. The internet might go out as well. Not all service providers provide backup power to all required areas for the user to connect.
In the case of an internet outage, SPAN automatically switches to a cellular backup connection when available.
The SPAN Panel will continue to operate according to its most recent settings even when home internet or cellular service are temporarily lost. The SPAN system will also continue to monitor the utility grid and transition into off-grid mode in the event of a power outage.
Your charging them cars outside right?