The best part of your video was when you welcomed your son into the video, nothing better than a dad who loves his children and shares in his hobbies with them. Thumbs up from one dad to another.
Hello again. I've purched the Delta striker 5-50x56 and had to return it. So I'm back in the market for a great scope. You once gave me a suggestion of Marsh, and sigtron. I've been looking at the Marsh high master scopes but have some questions about them. I'm shooting IBS 1000 yards competition and working down to 1" groups. I'm needing to be able to focus in on a 1" x on the target. Having said this , I need a very thin retical and extremely sharp image. The retical needs to be small enough to not cover up the bullseye, The 1" X. Second question has to do with the glass. 10x60, 8x80, 40x60br scopes are what I'm looking at. I'm not certain if one has a more crisp sharp image over the other. A friend thought for example that the 8x80 glass wasnt as good of glass as the other 2 that I mentioned. Having said this I've been trying to call Marsh scopes but haven't been able to get through to them. Do you have any thoughts about these questions ? Which retical has the finest crosshairs ? The dot might work, however I think at 1000 yards plus it will cover up my target, Not sure. Any advice would be awesome. My thinking is that in order to be able to shoot small (1" groups) I'm going to need the ability to aim small. Thanks in advance
@@DarkLordOfOptics , when you have looked through them do they have very thin retical? I've seen the specks just dont have a good perspective on how heavy that it actually is. The Delta striker was pretty decent. Its probably one of the more modern reticals that I've seen. Other scopes that I've looked through was on the heavy side in my opinion
@@joeldubose5762 Honestly, I am not a benchrest guy, so to me all these reticles are preposterously thin. The whole "aim small, miss small" business is pretty much nonsense outside of the benchrest/F-class world. I think the one I looked at was MTR-2 and it was way too thin for me.
Very Nice, I own a March High Master 10-60x56. I owned a Sightron before that, an S3 10-50x60mm version of that newer SV. All I can say is the Ohara FPL-53 glass used in the HM series makes all the difference, the March has to be the lowest chromatic aberration of any scope I have every owned. It's almost impossible to induce lateral aberration. I'd say it's worth twice the price of these scopes for discerning people. For ELR shooting, the March HM is really the only F-class scope that can provide the performance we need staring at a 40" target at 3000 yards. Will be doing a video review of it soon!
High Master scopes from March are indeed very good, but they are in a very different price range from the scopes I talked about in this video. There is also a notable difference between SIII and SV Sightrons and yet another jump in performance between SV and SVED. As far as FPL-53 glass goes, I am not sure I would pay too much attention to which exact glass they use. It is indeed a very consistent melt with Abbe number close to calcium fluorite, but the difference is usually in optical design. What FPL-53 or CaF2 allow an optical designer to do is make a well corrected optical system that is comparatively short. I remember seeing a nice discussion that in terms of performance a triplet with lower spec FPL-52 performed better than a doublet with FPL-53. To re-iterate: all these glass formulations are available to everyone. It is what you do with them that matters.
@@DarkLordOfOptics I agree, the flouro-crown glass is nothing new and FPL-53 has been around for 15 years. Schott doesn't even make a glass with an abbe over 90 and they have some very impressive scopes made out of it. Typically less than 2-3 elements in the scope are flouro-crown anyway. Do you know of any CaF2 rifle scopes? I only know of one refractor telescope made by Takahashi that actually uses real flourite.
@@discogodfather22 If I remember correctly, one of the elements in the 72mm Hensoldt scope is fluorite crystal. That is the only fluorite implementation I have seen in a riflescope and that is largely driven by the large objective diameter and short overall length of the scope. None of the modern ultra short riflescopes use fluorite crystal that I am aware of, but there seems to be an increasing use of aspherical elements, just like in the modern photographic lenses.
@@DarkLordOfOptics Wow, that is a coincidence. I just bought a Hensoldt 72mm last week and was about to do a review on it! I had the Zeiss version years ago but sold it, always regretted it. The 72 has an insanely large exit pupil, about the same as a 4-16 56mm scope. Very nice image. Running it through some resolution charts in the next few days. It actually seems to be surpassing my 65mm Pentax ED spotter.
First time watching your videos. Nice comparison between the scopes and very informative. Only recommendation I would give is try to increase the quality of your audio. On my side I hear a lot of background noise and it makes it hard to understand what you are saying. The volume is fine, could be louder but the main issue is the background noise.
Great video. Do you think that the Trijicon 5-50x56 are just as good or very similar to the Delta 5-50x56? Thanks in advance for your response. I look forward to seeing you future videos.
It is likely to be quite similar. Delta generally gets the best it if LOW since they can pay more attention to QC being smaller. Without doing some side by side testing it is hard to be sure.
my golden eagle was not a good scope got dark as hell over 40 mag and extreme black out no more then a eye lash movement. and the guy i talked to at vortex said it was the nature of the beast I sold it off cheep will not buy vortex products no more . I got a trach toric 30 power now really good scope
The Vortex guy was correct. Any 40x scope with 52mm objective will be finicky. You are dealing with a 1.3mm exit pupil. That is notably smaller than your eye pupil even during the day when it is usually around 2mm when it is bright out. The Toris you bought is up to 30x with 56mm objective and a very different scope type designed for very different application. That scope on 30x has a ~1.87mm exit pupil. It may not sound like much, but in terms of area it is 2.4 times larger. That's a huge difference. Strike Eagle was designed in a very specific way to offer high magnification in a fairly light weight variable scope for benchrest shooting. Toric ELR is a general purpose long range precision scope. These are two completely different animals.
I run March on both my 1000yd benchrifles. An 8-80×56mm and a 10-60×56mm. I had a nightforce comp 15-55×52mm but sold it shortly after buying my first March it was that much better. As far as Vortex f*ck that if its made in china it wont even be allowed in the front door at my shop. I would buy a sightron sv ed 10-50×56mm its the only other BR scope ive looked through that compares to my marchs
All three of the scopes in this video are made in Japan, including Vortex Golden Eagle. Delta and Vortex in this case are made in the same factory. Sightron is in a different one.
That sorta depends on what you want to do with it. For my purposes, I slightly prefer the Stryker since a broader magnification range makes a difference for me.
The best part of your video was when you welcomed your son into the video, nothing better than a dad who loves his children and shares in his hobbies with them. Thumbs up from one dad to another.
Thanks for the no nonsense review. It was a toss up between the Delta and the sightron. Looks like it's the Delta for me.
Great video! Always love the content and honest feedback.
Much better on the audio. Great info, tough to filter all of the crap people are putting out there.
I love the golden eagle scopes. I have 7 of them how. For me the only draw back is they don't have a zero stop.
Hello again. I've purched the Delta striker 5-50x56 and had to return it. So I'm back in the market for a great scope. You once gave me a suggestion of Marsh, and sigtron. I've been looking at the Marsh high master scopes but have some questions about them. I'm shooting IBS 1000 yards competition and working down to 1" groups. I'm needing to be able to focus in on a 1" x on the target. Having said this , I need a very thin retical and extremely sharp image. The retical needs to be small enough to not cover up the bullseye, The 1" X.
Second question has to do with the glass. 10x60, 8x80, 40x60br scopes are what I'm looking at. I'm not certain if one has a more crisp sharp image over the other. A friend thought for example that the 8x80 glass wasnt as good of glass as the other 2 that I mentioned. Having said this I've been trying to call Marsh scopes but haven't been able to get through to them. Do you have any thoughts about these questions ? Which retical has the finest crosshairs ? The dot might work, however I think at 1000 yards plus it will cover up my target, Not sure. Any advice would be awesome. My thinking is that in order to be able to shoot small (1" groups) I'm going to need the ability to aim small. Thanks in advance
March High Master 10-60x56 is probably your best bet. As far as reticles go, they have the dimensions listed on their website www.marchscopes.com
@@DarkLordOfOptics , when you have looked through them do they have very thin retical? I've seen the specks just dont have a good perspective on how heavy that it actually is. The Delta striker was pretty decent. Its probably one of the more modern reticals that I've seen. Other scopes that I've looked through was on the heavy side in my opinion
@@joeldubose5762 Honestly, I am not a benchrest guy, so to me all these reticles are preposterously thin. The whole "aim small, miss small" business is pretty much nonsense outside of the benchrest/F-class world. I think the one I looked at was MTR-2 and it was way too thin for me.
Very Nice, I own a March High Master 10-60x56. I owned a Sightron before that, an S3 10-50x60mm version of that newer SV. All I can say is the Ohara FPL-53 glass used in the HM series makes all the difference, the March has to be the lowest chromatic aberration of any scope I have every owned. It's almost impossible to induce lateral aberration. I'd say it's worth twice the price of these scopes for discerning people. For ELR shooting, the March HM is really the only F-class scope that can provide the performance we need staring at a 40" target at 3000 yards. Will be doing a video review of it soon!
High Master scopes from March are indeed very good, but they are in a very different price range from the scopes I talked about in this video. There is also a notable difference between SIII and SV Sightrons and yet another jump in performance between SV and SVED. As far as FPL-53 glass goes, I am not sure I would pay too much attention to which exact glass they use. It is indeed a very consistent melt with Abbe number close to calcium fluorite, but the difference is usually in optical design. What FPL-53 or CaF2 allow an optical designer to do is make a well corrected optical system that is comparatively short. I remember seeing a nice discussion that in terms of performance a triplet with lower spec FPL-52 performed better than a doublet with FPL-53. To re-iterate: all these glass formulations are available to everyone. It is what you do with them that matters.
@@DarkLordOfOptics I agree, the flouro-crown glass is nothing new and FPL-53 has been around for 15 years. Schott doesn't even make a glass with an abbe over 90 and they have some very impressive scopes made out of it. Typically less than 2-3 elements in the scope are flouro-crown anyway. Do you know of any CaF2 rifle scopes? I only know of one refractor telescope made by Takahashi that actually uses real flourite.
@@discogodfather22 If I remember correctly, one of the elements in the 72mm Hensoldt scope is fluorite crystal. That is the only fluorite implementation I have seen in a riflescope and that is largely driven by the large objective diameter and short overall length of the scope. None of the modern ultra short riflescopes use fluorite crystal that I am aware of, but there seems to be an increasing use of aspherical elements, just like in the modern photographic lenses.
@@DarkLordOfOptics Wow, that is a coincidence. I just bought a Hensoldt 72mm last week and was about to do a review on it! I had the Zeiss version years ago but sold it, always regretted it. The 72 has an insanely large exit pupil, about the same as a 4-16 56mm scope. Very nice image. Running it through some resolution charts in the next few days. It actually seems to be surpassing my 65mm Pentax ED spotter.
@@discogodfather22 you've got some nice scopes there, sir!
Excellent video. Thanks
First time watching your videos. Nice comparison between the scopes and very informative. Only recommendation I would give is try to increase the quality of your audio. On my side I hear a lot of background noise and it makes it hard to understand what you are saying. The volume is fine, could be louder but the main issue is the background noise.
Thanks. More recent videos are better.
Great video. Do you think that the Trijicon 5-50x56 are just as good or very similar to the Delta 5-50x56? Thanks in advance for your response. I look forward to seeing you future videos.
It is likely to be quite similar. Delta generally gets the best it if LOW since they can pay more attention to QC being smaller. Without doing some side by side testing it is hard to be sure.
my golden eagle was not a good scope got dark as hell over 40 mag and extreme black out no more then a eye lash movement. and the guy i talked to at vortex said it was the nature of the beast I sold it off cheep will not buy vortex products no more . I got a trach toric 30 power now really good scope
The Vortex guy was correct. Any 40x scope with 52mm objective will be finicky. You are dealing with a 1.3mm exit pupil. That is notably smaller than your eye pupil even during the day when it is usually around 2mm when it is bright out. The Toris you bought is up to 30x with 56mm objective and a very different scope type designed for very different application. That scope on 30x has a ~1.87mm exit pupil. It may not sound like much, but in terms of area it is 2.4 times larger. That's a huge difference. Strike Eagle was designed in a very specific way to offer high magnification in a fairly light weight variable scope for benchrest shooting. Toric ELR is a general purpose long range precision scope. These are two completely different animals.
I run March on both my 1000yd benchrifles. An 8-80×56mm and a 10-60×56mm. I had a nightforce comp 15-55×52mm but sold it shortly after buying my first March it was that much better. As far as Vortex f*ck that if its made in china it wont even be allowed in the front door at my shop. I would buy a sightron sv ed 10-50×56mm its the only other BR scope ive looked through that compares to my marchs
All three of the scopes in this video are made in Japan, including Vortex Golden Eagle. Delta and Vortex in this case are made in the same factory. Sightron is in a different one.
What is your opinion on the delta stryker vs cronus btr?
They are very similar designs. I slightly prefer the reticle in the Stryker.
please tell me which is better Vortex Golden Eagle or Delta stryker 5 50x56?
That sorta depends on what you want to do with it. For my purposes, I slightly prefer the Stryker since a broader magnification range makes a difference for me.
@@DarkLordOfOptics It is important for me to work over long distances and the quality of optics glass
@@Taras_Bokhonok both are good optically. I prefer the mrad reticle in the Stryker.
you keep calling it the strike eagle..like 5 times..its the golden eagle...
Sorry. If I talk long enough something will slip through. Repeatedly.