“- Kirk: Damn it Spock! God damn it! - Spock: Captain, what have I done? - Kirk: What you've done is betray every man on this ship! - Spock: Worse I've betrayed you. I do not expect you to forgive me. - Kirk: Forgive you? I oughta knock you on your goddamned ass! - Spock: If you think it would help.” -Bones: Do you want me to hold him Jim?" LOL. That exchange between the three of them was gold.
Its a great line and it almost, almost made the movie worthwhile But honestly I have no memory of what happens in the movie after this line, though. Like I thought it ended there with 'god' being blown up.
Kirk: "You mean he's your 'brother' brother? Spock: Kirk: "You made that up." Spock: "I did not." Kurtzman: "And here's his step-sister!" Spock: "You made that up." Kurtzman: "Yeah, I did."
I swear that line makes up for everything else, and let's be honest, a previously and afterwards never mentioned "energy barrier" and an unknown, powerful entity, is just any ST episode of the week. Kirk witnesses how Bones is changed by going through the purge and knows he will not be the same person afterwards. That's why he rejects the "healing". But at the same time, Spocks brother isn't totally off his rocker. He is focused and determined, not a crazy villain. I think this movie gets more hate than it deserves for what it accomplishes.
Yes, a good friend was suffering terrible chronic pain after a stroke and he would quote that one line from a bad movie for comfort, to give his awful situation context. I can forgive the film anything because of it.
@@la_scrittice_vitafrom the darkest corners of life sometimes we find the most surprising reminders of why life matters. (this film is being compared to a dark corner of life in this scenario :D ) I am very sorry for your friend, but glad he found something good in life in not just that but in the rest of it as well that brought him comfort and purpose
The stuff in Yosemite is honestly really good, it just belongs in a different movie. Outside of maybe the Romulan lady, who is so irrelevant that as a turbo Trekkie I have never even bothered to learn her name, the cast for this were all quite talented actors. Too bad they were given such an awful script.
Yeah, Drinker hasn't really gotten into the original series, I suspect it's too dated/low budget for him. I could probably think of a half dozen or more episodes where some form of God is encountered or debated. Even the Roman episode where Uhura mentions "not the Sun up in the sky but the Son of God", an overt reference to Christ.
They met Apollo once. (Who Mourns for Adonais?) They went to a planet that was in the midst of a literal Christian uprising. (Bread and Circuses) And they treated it as an absolute good. There was a Space Jesus, from an alien planet, a second actual Christian messiah, in Star Trek, prior to this movie.
And much like how the first movie pretty mush lifts the plot of the episode _The Changeling,_ this one is very much a rehash of the episode _The Way to Eden._
It's actually pretty consistent that Spock doesn't talk about his personal life or family. Kirk didn't know about Spock's arranged marriage until Spock went through pon'far, which he also learned about in that moment. He didn't know Spock's father was the Vulcan ambassador until the Enterprise had to transport the Vulcan ambassador. Spock's parents are standing right in front of Kirk and Kirk doesn't know they're Spock's parents. Spock is very closed off about his personal life.
Despite everything about this movie, as everyone always says. It has the one good lesson in it that is worth the whole thing existing. Who are we if we lose the experiences and the pain that those experiences caused, that define us, and lead us to becoming better people, making better choices, trying to actually help other people, and make the world a better place?
The trauma of watching Star Trek V has definitely helped shape who I am as a person. I don't know if I'm a better person because of it, but I am who I am in some part because of it.
Published today For 92-year-old actor William Shatner, it takes minimal reflection of his illustrious Hollywood career to pinpoint his biggest regret. Speaking candidly about his 1989 film, "Star Trek V: The Final Frontier," Shatner implies that the project was doomed from the start. He reprised his role as Adm. James T. Kirk in the film, which he originally played in the TV series. "I wish that I’d had the backing and the courage to do the things I felt I needed to do. My concept was, "'Star Trek' goes in search of God," and management said, ‘Well, who’s God? We’ll alienate the nonbeliever, so, no, we can’t do God,’" he explained to The Hollywood Reporter. "And then somebody said, ‘What about an alien who thinks they’re God?’ Then it was a series of my inabilities to deal with the management and the budget," he said of the subsequent steps to making the film, in which he served as director. "I failed. In my mind, I failed horribly." "When I’m asked, ‘What do you regret the most?,’ I regret not being equipped emotionally to deal with a large motion picture. So in the absence of my power, the power vacuum filled with people that didn’t make the decisions I would’ve made," he lamented. When it was released, the "Star Trek" film was criticized for its lack of execution and being an overall disappointment. Shatner noted that he takes all the blame, even if people question his budget or the support he had in hindsight. "It is on me," he reiterated, giving an example of mismanaging his $30 million budget. "[In the final scene] I wanted granite [rock creatures] to explode out of the mountain. The special effects guy said, ‘I can build you a suit that’s on fire and smoke comes out.’ I said, ‘Great, how much will that cost?’ They said, ‘$250,000 a suit.’ ‘Can you make 10 suits?’ He said, ‘Yeah.’" "That’s $2.5 million. You’ve got a $30 million budget. You sure you want to spend [it on that]?" he remembers thinking. "Those are the practical decisions," he said. Shatner's plan famously didn't materialize due to mechanical issues toward the end of filming.
Captain Kirk, no longer Admiral. I love when an article fucks up in the first paragraph. However, Shatner’s recollection of the studio not wanting to commit to God for fear of offending non-believers is ironic , considering that Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, released the same year, confirmed the reality of Jesus Christ as Lord, and that film was directed by the very Jewish Steven Spielberg.
@@MrWhipple42 The movie fails both in terms of concept and execution. Even the question “What is God?” is only as good as the answer you come up with. Ultimately, we got an imposter and I’m okay with that. It’s one of the few parts of the story that works.
@@sdfried4877 The Star Trek TOS series did more than a few turns at "the imposter god." All of them were better than how ST5 dealt with it. We never even find out what the being at the center of the universe was, and then we get Kirk's on-the-nose remark about the human heart, which has no setup and therefore no payoff.
It's funny that this one went so far off the rails, but they completely stuck the landing with Undiscovered Country. It's actually impressive to see that kind of recovery.
The thing is it isn't "God", it's just another powerful being. In TOS they encountered Apollo from ancient Greece, and other seemingly omnipotent beings. It's just not well done or well explored here.
Drinker, "It's a spaceship, it's not like it can land." J.J Abrams, "MY Enterprise can not only land, it can dive, is WAY bigger and has the biggest brewery inside you've ever seen!"
Well I mean a constitution class can at least fly in atmosphere. And an intrepid class, though not invented yet, being slightly bigger than a constitution actually can land on the surface.
First ST film i watched, with my grandfather. And its one of the few that has an assigned mission, crew on the Enterprise, in uniform, with their stuff, exploring the unknown, doing the stuff they would regularly do in the series (no time travel, no mutiny, no cadets, no pajamas). Really enjoyed the Observation Lounge. But i understand why it didnt do well.
It has its flaws. Many from behind the scenes with production issues. But, it did feel like a big budget version of a TOS episode. The banter between the three leads was the most on point it ever had been. Yeah I liked the observation Lounge too. It felt that version of the Enterprise Ten Forward.
I love how Shatner pulled the "Spock has a secret sibling." long before Kurtzman did. Oh, and would it not have been great if "God" turned out to have actually been Charlie X from the Classic 60's show? If my fellow Trek fans remember he was quite angry with Kirk for sending him back. I just thought, I'd have made Sybok a creation of Charlie X and he implanted false memories of him being Spock's brother, created to lure them to his Time Out spot and free him. Of course the Enterprise would be the only ship because that's the only ship Charlie encountered of significance to him.
Wow, that story would have been amazing. The only thing that hypothetically could have derailed such a plot is the powers at be at the time may have not wanted to dredge up another character from the original series ah la Khan.
@UberBman But a resourceful writer could have made mention of that as pertaining to Kirk's past and his decisions catching up to him. Plus, mentioning what happened in Wrath of Khan would have been a good callback and connective strands to the previous movies. In watching the Classic series, Kirk left a lot of loose ends in several loose ends. Would be only natural to have tied them up. I'm half tempted, given putting myself in a more stable living situation with less stress, to write out a fanfiction based on my idea.
P.S. Can it be said that Kirk's life is a continual Kobayashi Maru test? He may have cheated by reprogramming the simulation, but everything in his life has had elements of the test show through.
Did anyone think the entity was actually supposed to be God in film? I never thought that. I felt it was just some powerful being we had not seen before similar to the Q. It was imprisoned long ago by his species or some other powerful race and then manipulated spocks brother through telepathy in order to escape. The story definitely isn't great but i never thought it was actually supposed to be about God.
That's what it turns into yes. But the idea before meeting him was he maybe God. Star Trek had the race that were worshipped by God by the Greeks, so it does play with the idea of a sufficiently advanced society being indistinguishable from magic. Like Babylon 5s Vernon's appearing in BC Earth would be the basis for angels.
my take, as a kid, was that Sybok somehow manifested this thing into existence and it was trapped there, plotting and scheming to finally get out. "A vision you created. An eternity I have been imprisoned in this place"
There's an episode of TNG that most people forget about, which seems to feature another alien entity similar to this one that isn't so hostile and malevolent. The implication is that there is this race of powerful floating glowing head creatures at the center of the galaxy that just imprisoned this one bad guy because he violated their moral code or whatever. The rest of them are probably pretty chill, and minding their own business at the center of the galaxy doing giant floating glowing head things. Star Trek in general is pretty weird when it comes to the cosmos. The Federation, and its neighbors, exist in a pretty small part of one arm of the Milky Way. There seems to be pretty normal regions of space in the Delta and Gamma Quadrants as well. But venture outside of those areas and very quickly there be dragons. Go out to the edge of the galaxy and your ESPers are gonna get godlike powers and go crazy. Get near the center of the galaxy and you'll encounter ancient godlike beings. Stray into unexplored regions and you're likely to encounter a Nagilum.
You must remember the context. This was the worst Star Trek movie _when it came out._ (or the 1st movie). That's where the collective opinion was formed.
I bought it on VHS back in the day and no internet back then and I really enjoyed the film. I just don't get the hate its like a feature length TOS episode
It’s funny how you have the loose of trilogy of 2, 3, & 4 that’s book ended by movies where characters are in search of their creators. You have Vyger in Motion Picture who’s on a quest to find and talk to its creator, and now we have Final Frontier where the Enterprise and its crew who go looking for their creator.
There were so many great character interactions in Star Trek V. The whole Yosemite part tells so much about Kirk Spock and McCoy. The end was just slapped together though.
I would love for the studio to go back and give this a "Special Edition" or an actual "Director's Cut" for streaming and physical media. One of the biggest issues is the bad VFX, which could easily be fixed today. Replace the starship VFX and the "god planet", and would help improve the look of the film a great deal. I doubt they would spend the money to incorporate the rock monsters, but at the very least they could redo the VFX that made it in the film.
It has some great quotable lines and, imo, one of the best soundtracks of any Trek movie - both "The Mountain" and "A Busy Man" are gorgeous pieces of music.
I realized a few years ago that this was the first film I ever watched at the pictures. Was taken with a friend and his dad when I was around four years old, and I was left with an incredibly strong memory that I couldn't place: a giant face, floating in a glowing blue cloud. When I watched it (it turned out) again, it was a case of "core memory unlocked".
@@All2MemeIt is like: Ben Affleck "I'm gonna do a movie where I have a relationship with a lesbian." Kevin Smith "we did that movie, it's called Chasing Amy." Ben: "But it is JLo this time!" Only in this case, they put a chick in it, and made her lame and gay.
Before TNG: Trekkie - the people who memorized Yeoman Rand's Cabin #, and the Combination to Kirk's safe. Trekker - the people who went deeper Trekkist - the people who didn't worry about the trivia, and focused on the themes and philosophies After TNG: Trekkie - fans of TOS Trekker - fans of TNG I'm sure there is now a variation between fans of TOS/TAS/TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT and the novels based on them fans of JJ Trek movies fans of Kurtzman trek (DIS, SNW, LD, PRO, PIC)
Insane that you’ll watch this and not the director’s cut of Star Trek TMP. That version decidedly tightened up the pacing in addition to upgraded sound and special effects. It’s my third favorite movie in the franchise now
It's a good scene, but a really weird line unsupported by anything else anywhere in the Star Trek canon. It seems to only exist so that Spock can tell him he wasn't alone at the end of the film, in a pretty terrible scene.
I like star trek 5 because it's got the original cast,it reminds me of the original TV series,the chemistry of the characters,love the music from the late great Jerry goldsmith 🖖
This movie is a guilty pleasure for me. I think it’s a bit underrated. Not perfect though. I personally give it a 7/10. Can understand of course why some people don’t like it (cheap visual effects, disappointing ending). Big pluses for me are the relationships between the big three (the pain scene in particular is fantastic and among the best in the series). Jerry Goldsmith’s score (particularly A Busy Man).
I’ve loved Star Trek since I was a kid, which I got from my Dad, so thanks to you and Mauler for doing this… It’s probably my favorite thing out of all the great things y’all do…
There is a good two part episode of Dr Who, they are called "The Impossible Planet" & "The Satan Pit", where Doc & Rose meets Satan. Was the 10th Doctor, David Tennant, June 2006.
There's an episode of Star Trek The Animates Series where they go to the center of the galaxy and meet Satan, and then they make friends with him, and Kirk battles a 16th century puritan in a wizard duel using magic spells, and I wish I was making any of this up.
I kind of agree. I liked Trek before this film, and it was a bad film especially when you stack it up against the other five. But it's likeable enough and smart people with good intentions made it...unlike today. It was just a classic example of smart people making too many very bad decisions.
I gotta say….I love this movie. For me, I loved TOS because of the big 3. Sure, some were solid and some were crap but the big 3 always kept me engaged and they were front and center in this movie.
Really fun watchalong. ❤ When I was in college, I treated all of my siblings to STV:TFF as a treat on opening night. We waited an hour in line and talked to other happy excited fans to pass the wait. The excitement was truly palpable. As we waited in line, the 5 pm showing audience came out and I excitedly asked a guy exiting how it was. He looked at me with a pause and then finally in our ever so polite Canadian way managed to utter, "Eh, it was okay." It clearly wasn't. 😮 His disappointment was so palpable that the crowd literally went silent. I knew right then and there I was going to regret bringing my little brothers and sisters along. I failed to learn my lesson and when I graduated and got my first job, I treated them all to Star Trek: Generations. Gee, I wonder why none of them to this day give a rat's ass about Star Trek. 😂
1:37:50 They actually cheekily address that in the TNG episode "The Nth Degree." In fact it's kind of implied the giant ghost head aliens in that episode are the same beings as the fake god in this movie.
He should be remembered as a grand British icon. The man's professional life is incredible with all he done. Had the great pleasure of meeting him and talking with him at a convention years ago. Very aproachable and a real pleasure. RIP Mr. Warner.
I'd really enjoy a Star Trek retrospective with Gary and Drinker and MauLer-who's-been-forced-to-watch-all-of-TOS/TNG/DS9. Is Az even a Trekkie? I've only really heard him talk about Dr. Who and comic book stuff.
@@fakecubed Az is a strong TNG guy (show not films). He's mentioned if more than once. The most he's chatted about it was in a stream with RnB who's an Uber fan.
Hiya guys - they had a wonderful book called the Kobayashi Maru where they show what happens to multiple characters when they were faced with the scenario - Scotty, Sulu and Chekov if memory serves, and it was very good. They also had they go to IRL version as well - (a "super entity" - puts them there) - but the character development was very interesting in the book and shows how they approach the situations. When you talked about an alternative cut where they dealt with all the pain of the characters it made me thing of this.
One of life's simple pleasures is watching you two erudite gentleman viewing cinema together. Could easily do this every day. Star Trek 5 had glimpses of greatness but so much of it was rushed, including the ideas. I never bought Scotty and Uhura, either. This was the only one I didn't see in theater, oddly enough. Will you be reviewing the following films? I'd be interested but totally understand if you didn't.
When I first saw the movie, I thought Kirk meant he would die alone because somebody prophesied it. But recently I realized he meant that he would die alone because he has no one to come home to.
Let me help with distinguishing Trekkies from Trekkers: ''Trekkies'' act they believe the Star Trek universe is real. They walk, talk and act out Star Trek. I've seen some who walk around in public wearing Star Trek costumes (aside from the conventions). They even go to work that way. I met one guy years ago who legally changed his name to James T. Kirk. They spend thousands of dollars on anything Star Trek. And anything even remotely labeled "Star Trek" is fine with them. ''Trekkers'' see Star Trek as a brilliant form of entertainment. Star Trek let's us engage in the suspension of disbelief for an hour or two at a time. It's an established vehicle to tell good sci-fi stories with. We might wear a t-shirt with a Star Trek logo and even cosplay for a convention, but we live in the real world. Some of us like to produce our own type of fan art from drawings to paintings and to fan films. We are fans of Star Trek, but we're picky about it. I've been a Trekker since 1970 and I've always identified as one. And I suppose there's nothing wrong with being either. It's up to everyone individually to identify as one or the other or something else.
They really did Scotty dirty in this one when you compare his job performance in the movie with how he got a derelict starship combat capable with nonexistent resources in Doomsday Machine.
I like this movie more than any of the TNG movies. Sorry, not sorry. I appreciate the intent behind it, to return to the classic TOS dilemmas regarding the nature of man/God, wrestling with the core of being. Just a shame they couldn't nail that theme down better. That said, Undiscovered County is my absolutely favorite of all the films.
A photon torpedo is significantly more powerful than a nuke. Kirk and Co. run 50 ft and duck into a ditch and survivie a photon torpedo strike called directly down on their position. Didn't even need a refrigerator.
I'll comment on pain that for myself it has been a strict teacher and has shaped me as a man. Half of my strength of character and empathy of others is from the pain and struggles I've been through. I've seen what individuals are like who have never struggled or felt pain or loss and I thank God that I am not like those shadow people.😊
Also he did die alone in Generations originally, shot in the back and forgotten about, but that didn't test well so they had Kirk die under a bridge instead.
The “marshmellon” line felt so unlike Spock that my tiny self just assumed that must be an alternate pronunciation from a different English-speaking country. (I was a very trusting little nerd)
32:06 That marshmallow dispenser always bugged me. I never thought of it as a replicator. Personally, I still don't buy it as a replicator. It looks like a marshmallow dispenser... That can hold 2 maybe 3 marshmallows...
I've seen a bootleg longer cut. If I remember correctly, the main additions were scenes that involved David Warners and the other hostages. The only thing i remember is the romulan woman had a ton more dialogue and that it was in her original undubbed voice. As bad as her performance is in the finished film, originally it was much worse.
I could see Sean Connery playing Sybok, especially at the age he would've been when this was made. I definitely wouldn't take him as Sybok over him in Last Crusade, of course. Not in a million years. But I think he would've been pretty great in this role as well.
Here's my problem with Nimbus III: Why is there no security for the ambassadors? The UN has security. Embassies have security. As a crew chief in the USAF I have personally launched a fully armed F-15 to protect the President when he was attending the G8 summit. There is no way this planet, especially Paradise City, would be left unprotected.
The anecdote goes: Gene Roddenberry put in an appearance at a con, and said to the panel audience "It's great to see all the Trekkies out there!" and some guy shouts back "It's Trekkers!" And Roddenberry gently answers "It's Trekkies. I'd know. I invented the damn thing." Apparently Kate Mulgrew spouted off something about the opposite, but I heard the Roddenberry anecdote first, and I'd tend to believe Roddenberry, for, y'know.
23:06 It didn't start here. This isn't even the first furry bait character in Star Trek. This is a Draylaxian, but there was a Caitian (Which you saw male versions of at the end of Star Trek IV) main cast member in the animated series. If you want to talk about Star Trek furry bait you have to look up M'ress from 1973.
Will Shatner regrets that he wasn't up for this film. His only director role. I've heard him speak on it. I believe him. I still have nostalgic feelings about this one, sitting next to my dad at the drive in. I love this film for my own reasons.
The difference between Trekkie and Trekker is based on who is defining it. You can find people insisting real fans are Trekkies and others saying real fans are Trekkers, and the same goes for what to call causal vs committed fans and "serious & thoughtful" fans vs those who will consume any Trek related merch. In my opinion, Trekker was basically a pretentious term used by those who wanted to distance themselves from being called Trekkies because of the stigma.
I saw this in the theater at age 8 and in one of the last three Cinerama theaters in the US. Even though I was frequently rewatching the rest of ST I-IV as well as OT Star Wars and dove into the intricacy of the SPFX, I still always loved this movie despite the flaws. And it’s not just my heavily nostalgic 80’s aviators…The film score is some of Jerry Goldsmith’s best work. The camera they used was far superior to the previous movies, and the cinematography was really good. I also was reading the novelization at the time and that fills in a bunch of the plot holes. What held this movie back were the studio slashing budget, ILM being overbooked, and most importantly the writers strike. If the studio was more up front with what the budget was really going to be and they had an experienced effects house to work with and give accurate quotes and realistic promises, they would have known before green-lighting that the story would not be possible, and would have had to wait for a better story. As it is, it’s a TOS episode that shines in a lot of ways but falls on its face in a couple big ways…. and still fun to watch
You know, I still enjoy this movie even though it definitely isn’t as good as 2, 3 and 4. Something about it is just kinda cool. I especially like the attack on the compound in the middle of the movie. Easily better than Generations and Nemesis too. Not a good movie but still an enjoyable one, at least for me.
This movie is often said to be the second worst of the six films but I really enjoy it. The exchanges between the crew are some of the funniest in my opinion but as long as I’m entertained I don’t complain much 🤷🏻♂️
There's a big difference between watching a bad movie like "Rebel Moon" and thinking "This is so bad and I hate it" and watching this and thinking "This is so bad but I still love it because I love these characters and enjoy watching them work together." There's a lovable, nostalgic cheapness here that I can appreciate, especially when compared to today's films made for... modern audiences.
Normally the Enterprise is the only ship in range... even when Earth is under threat... you’d think they would keep a few local to defend Sector 001. V’ger had a pretty clear run to Earth in the first one.
From what I heard, the Klingon shooting the Satellite scene was actually Shatner taking a dig at The Motion Picture. Something about making a statement about how his movie was better than that slow motion movie. Jokes on him, I guess. Though Star Trek 5 still remains a guilty pleasure for me, given that it was one of the three movies that I own (4 and 6 were the other two, if you're curious) growing up. Can't wait for you two to watch Star Trek 6!
Faith requires consent or at least acceptance of powerlessness in the face of something more powerful than you. This story makes more sense from a philosophical point of view than a simple action movie framework.
“- Kirk: Damn it Spock! God damn it!
- Spock: Captain, what have I done?
- Kirk: What you've done is betray every man on this ship!
- Spock: Worse I've betrayed you. I do not expect you to forgive me.
- Kirk: Forgive you? I oughta knock you on your goddamned ass!
- Spock: If you think it would help.”
-Bones: Do you want me to hold him Jim?"
LOL. That exchange between the three of them was gold.
They pretty much perfected the character interplay in this. Before giving them more of an arc than most of the show. Genius
Kirk: "You stay outta this"
I absolutely love the dialogue between the three in this movie.
“What does God need with a starship”?
Beer?
Why not?
"You don't ask The Almighty for his ID!"
To carry his wisdom beyond the Great Barrier apparently.
Its a great line and it almost, almost made the movie worthwhile
But honestly I have no memory of what happens in the movie after this line, though. Like I thought it ended there with 'god' being blown up.
Kirk: "You mean he's your 'brother' brother?
Spock:
Kirk: "You made that up."
Spock: "I did not."
Kurtzman: "And here's his step-sister!"
Spock: "You made that up."
Kurtzman: "Yeah, I did."
Get a life nerds 😊
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@@Chadsolderbrotherbrad1111 Nerd inherited the world 20 yeaes ago, son. Case and point 2/22 dudes playing MW2 getting TPK's by teenagers... in 2010.
Good one!
Favourite line must be Kirks:
"I need my Pain."
I swear that line makes up for everything else, and let's be honest, a previously and afterwards never mentioned "energy barrier" and an unknown, powerful entity, is just any ST episode of the week.
Kirk witnesses how Bones is changed by going through the purge and knows he will not be the same person afterwards. That's why he rejects the "healing". But at the same time, Spocks brother isn't totally off his rocker. He is focused and determined, not a crazy villain.
I think this movie gets more hate than it deserves for what it accomplishes.
Yes, a good friend was suffering terrible chronic pain after a stroke and he would quote that one line from a bad movie for comfort, to give his awful situation context. I can forgive the film anything because of it.
@@la_scrittice_vitafrom the darkest corners of life sometimes we find the most surprising reminders of why life matters. (this film is being compared to a dark corner of life in this scenario :D ) I am very sorry for your friend, but glad he found something good in life in not just that but in the rest of it as well that brought him comfort and purpose
I love that Mauler’s expectations are now lowered for the banger that is Star Trek VI
the best sci fi political film that isnt star wars or starship troopers.
It is goofy, full of plot holes and cheese, but there are some great character moments, and I still absolutely love it. ^.-.^
The stuff in Yosemite is honestly really good, it just belongs in a different movie.
Outside of maybe the Romulan lady, who is so irrelevant that as a turbo Trekkie I have never even bothered to learn her name, the cast for this were all quite talented actors. Too bad they were given such an awful script.
I find it odd how the concept of the Enterprise crew encountering "God" is antithetical to Star Trek when it was a semi-regular occurrence on TOS.
Yeah, Drinker hasn't really gotten into the original series, I suspect it's too dated/low budget for him. I could probably think of a half dozen or more episodes where some form of God is encountered or debated. Even the Roman episode where Uhura mentions "not the Sun up in the sky but the Son of God", an overt reference to Christ.
Right, I grew up with Trek on at 3p when i got home from school. It was theatrical and often questioned gods and charlatans.
They met Apollo once. (Who Mourns for Adonais?) They went to a planet that was in the midst of a literal Christian uprising. (Bread and Circuses) And they treated it as an absolute good. There was a Space Jesus, from an alien planet, a second actual Christian messiah, in Star Trek, prior to this movie.
And much like how the first movie pretty mush lifts the plot of the episode _The Changeling,_ this one is very much a rehash of the episode _The Way to Eden._
In the Animated series they met Satan before and made friends with him. In the children's cartoon.
It's actually pretty consistent that Spock doesn't talk about his personal life or family. Kirk didn't know about Spock's arranged marriage until Spock went through pon'far, which he also learned about in that moment. He didn't know Spock's father was the Vulcan ambassador until the Enterprise had to transport the Vulcan ambassador. Spock's parents are standing right in front of Kirk and Kirk doesn't know they're Spock's parents. Spock is very closed off about his personal life.
Despite everything about this movie, as everyone always says. It has the one good lesson in it that is worth the whole thing existing. Who are we if we lose the experiences and the pain that those experiences caused, that define us, and lead us to becoming better people, making better choices, trying to actually help other people, and make the world a better place?
The trauma of watching Star Trek V has definitely helped shape who I am as a person. I don't know if I'm a better person because of it, but I am who I am in some part because of it.
Published today
For 92-year-old actor William Shatner, it takes minimal reflection of his illustrious Hollywood career to pinpoint his biggest regret.
Speaking candidly about his 1989 film, "Star Trek V: The Final Frontier," Shatner implies that the project was doomed from the start. He reprised his role as Adm. James T. Kirk in the film, which he originally played in the TV series.
"I wish that I’d had the backing and the courage to do the things I felt I needed to do. My concept was, "'Star Trek' goes in search of God," and management said, ‘Well, who’s God? We’ll alienate the nonbeliever, so, no, we can’t do God,’" he explained to The Hollywood Reporter.
"And then somebody said, ‘What about an alien who thinks they’re God?’ Then it was a series of my inabilities to deal with the management and the budget," he said of the subsequent steps to making the film, in which he served as director. "I failed. In my mind, I failed horribly."
"When I’m asked, ‘What do you regret the most?,’ I regret not being equipped emotionally to deal with a large motion picture. So in the absence of my power, the power vacuum filled with people that didn’t make the decisions I would’ve made," he lamented.
When it was released, the "Star Trek" film was criticized for its lack of execution and being an overall disappointment. Shatner noted that he takes all the blame, even if people question his budget or the support he had in hindsight.
"It is on me," he reiterated, giving an example of mismanaging his $30 million budget. "[In the final scene] I wanted granite [rock creatures] to explode out of the mountain. The special effects guy said, ‘I can build you a suit that’s on fire and smoke comes out.’ I said, ‘Great, how much will that cost?’ They said, ‘$250,000 a suit.’ ‘Can you make 10 suits?’ He said, ‘Yeah.’"
"That’s $2.5 million. You’ve got a $30 million budget. You sure you want to spend [it on that]?" he remembers thinking. "Those are the practical decisions," he said.
Shatner's plan famously didn't materialize due to mechanical issues toward the end of filming.
Captain Kirk, no longer Admiral.
I love when an article fucks up in the first paragraph.
However, Shatner’s recollection of the studio not wanting to commit to God for fear of offending non-believers is ironic , considering that Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, released the same year, confirmed the reality of Jesus Christ as Lord, and that film was directed by the very Jewish Steven Spielberg.
Not to mention that Deforest Kelly made the suggestion to thie exact plot of this film on the Tom Snyder show years earlier.
Good for him for realizing his failings. But he still doesn't realize that his original, unexecuted idea was also crap.
@@MrWhipple42 The movie fails both in terms of concept and execution. Even the question “What is God?” is only as good as the answer you come up with. Ultimately, we got an imposter and I’m okay with that. It’s one of the few parts of the story that works.
@@sdfried4877 The Star Trek TOS series did more than a few turns at "the imposter god." All of them were better than how ST5 dealt with it.
We never even find out what the being at the center of the universe was, and then we get Kirk's on-the-nose remark about the human heart, which has no setup and therefore no payoff.
You should Add Galexy Quest to the list.
It's funny that this one went so far off the rails, but they completely stuck the landing with Undiscovered Country. It's actually impressive to see that kind of recovery.
Exactly. Today any Studio would ban a franchise to their streaming hell after burning that much money.
The thing is it isn't "God", it's just another powerful being. In TOS they encountered Apollo from ancient Greece, and other seemingly omnipotent beings. It's just not well done or well explored here.
Drinker, "It's a spaceship, it's not like it can land."
J.J Abrams, "MY Enterprise can not only land, it can dive, is WAY bigger and has the biggest brewery inside you've ever seen!"
Well I mean a constitution class can at least fly in atmosphere. And an intrepid class, though not invented yet, being slightly bigger than a constitution actually can land on the surface.
First ST film i watched, with my grandfather. And its one of the few that has an assigned mission, crew on the Enterprise, in uniform, with their stuff, exploring the unknown, doing the stuff they would regularly do in the series (no time travel, no mutiny, no cadets, no pajamas). Really enjoyed the Observation Lounge.
But i understand why it didnt do well.
It has its flaws. Many from behind the scenes with production issues. But, it did feel like a big budget version of a TOS episode.
The banter between the three leads was the most on point it ever had been.
Yeah I liked the observation Lounge too. It felt that version of the Enterprise Ten Forward.
This is why I like Star Trek 6 so much. The ONLY movie where the ship is working and fully crewed. It made the most sense.
I love how Shatner pulled the "Spock has a secret sibling." long before Kurtzman did.
Oh, and would it not have been great if "God" turned out to have actually been Charlie X from the Classic 60's show? If my fellow Trek fans remember he was quite angry with Kirk for sending him back. I just thought, I'd have made Sybok a creation of Charlie X and he implanted false memories of him being Spock's brother, created to lure them to his Time Out spot and free him. Of course the Enterprise would be the only ship because that's the only ship Charlie encountered of significance to him.
Wow, that story would have been amazing. The only thing that hypothetically could have derailed such a plot is the powers at be at the time may have not wanted to dredge up another character from the original series ah la Khan.
Great idea. Don't let Kurtzman read it though... He's gonna f that up easily. 😂
@UberBman But a resourceful writer could have made mention of that as pertaining to Kirk's past and his decisions catching up to him. Plus, mentioning what happened in Wrath of Khan would have been a good callback and connective strands to the previous movies. In watching the Classic series, Kirk left a lot of loose ends in several loose ends. Would be only natural to have tied them up. I'm half tempted, given putting myself in a more stable living situation with less stress, to write out a fanfiction based on my idea.
P.S. Can it be said that Kirk's life is a continual Kobayashi Maru test? He may have cheated by reprogramming the simulation, but everything in his life has had elements of the test show through.
What if God had been Tralaine?
Did anyone think the entity was actually supposed to be God in film? I never thought that. I felt it was just some powerful being we had not seen before similar to the Q. It was imprisoned long ago by his species or some other powerful race and then manipulated spocks brother through telepathy in order to escape. The story definitely isn't great but i never thought it was actually supposed to be about God.
That's what it turns into yes. But the idea before meeting him was he maybe God. Star Trek had the race that were worshipped by God by the Greeks, so it does play with the idea of a sufficiently advanced society being indistinguishable from magic. Like Babylon 5s Vernon's appearing in BC Earth would be the basis for angels.
my take, as a kid, was that Sybok somehow manifested this thing into existence and it was trapped there, plotting and scheming to finally get out. "A vision you created. An eternity I have been imprisoned in this place"
I like the take from the movie The Fourth Kind. "Not God, but powerful enough to pretend to be" something to that effect.
There was a TNG novel ("Q-Strike") that partially deals with "God" in this being an exiled Q called "The One".
There's an episode of TNG that most people forget about, which seems to feature another alien entity similar to this one that isn't so hostile and malevolent. The implication is that there is this race of powerful floating glowing head creatures at the center of the galaxy that just imprisoned this one bad guy because he violated their moral code or whatever. The rest of them are probably pretty chill, and minding their own business at the center of the galaxy doing giant floating glowing head things.
Star Trek in general is pretty weird when it comes to the cosmos. The Federation, and its neighbors, exist in a pretty small part of one arm of the Milky Way. There seems to be pretty normal regions of space in the Delta and Gamma Quadrants as well. But venture outside of those areas and very quickly there be dragons. Go out to the edge of the galaxy and your ESPers are gonna get godlike powers and go crazy. Get near the center of the galaxy and you'll encounter ancient godlike beings. Stray into unexplored regions and you're likely to encounter a Nagilum.
I have to say the Jerry Goldsmith score is amazing!
There are some great moments in this film. I think the hate is disproportionate.
Agreed ^.-.^
Yeah I agree. I said the same above. I think it’s better than Into Darkness for example and Insurrection.
It really is. It's one of those "the internet told me to hate it" things
You must remember the context. This was the worst Star Trek movie _when it came out._ (or the 1st movie). That's where the collective opinion was formed.
I bought it on VHS back in the day and no internet back then and I really enjoyed the film. I just don't get the hate its like a feature length TOS episode
"Sybok is my brother." "You just made that up".
It’s funny how you have the loose of trilogy of 2, 3, & 4 that’s book ended by movies where characters are in search of their creators. You have Vyger in Motion Picture who’s on a quest to find and talk to its creator, and now we have Final Frontier where the Enterprise and its crew who go looking for their creator.
God should have been Roddenberry in the end, HeShe should do this movie.
“I know this bar like the back of my hand!” (BONK) “Nah it’ll be fine!”
File this under "words that preceded unfortunate events."
There were so many great character interactions in Star Trek V. The whole Yosemite part tells so much about Kirk Spock and McCoy. The end was just slapped together though.
I would love for the studio to go back and give this a "Special Edition" or an actual "Director's Cut" for streaming and physical media. One of the biggest issues is the bad VFX, which could easily be fixed today. Replace the starship VFX and the "god planet", and would help improve the look of the film a great deal. I doubt they would spend the money to incorporate the rock monsters, but at the very least they could redo the VFX that made it in the film.
RELEASE THE SHATNER CUT!
It has some great quotable lines and, imo, one of the best soundtracks of any Trek movie - both "The Mountain" and "A Busy Man" are gorgeous pieces of music.
Still pales in comparison to Wrath of Khan. I had that soundtrack on loop back then.
There are some great scores in Star Trek. This one I never think about even a little.
I realized a few years ago that this was the first film I ever watched at the pictures.
Was taken with a friend and his dad when I was around four years old, and I was left with an incredibly strong memory that I couldn't place: a giant face, floating in a glowing blue cloud.
When I watched it (it turned out) again, it was a case of "core memory unlocked".
I had an experience like that with a line from Armageddon a few years back.
Still a masterpiece compared to the JJ Abrams abominations, which I still can't believe Leonard Nimoy was a part of.
I unironically love this film
I loved it as a kid when it came out. It feels a lot like the original series, just like the 1st movie (although on 'ludes or something).
Me too!
You're all objectively wrong.
@@fakecubed yeah ok Sybok, was that message given to you by God?
Trekker: A serious, more committed fan of the franchise.
Trekkie: Not the above.
I'm so glad Undiscovered Country is next. Mauler is really gonna love the high note the TOS crew goes out on.
They might record it this weekend, apparently. If the latest Open Bar is to be believed.
Wouldn't it be weird if Spock had another sibling he never mentioned?
Nobody learned their lesson here, did they?
@@All2MemeIt is like:
Ben Affleck "I'm gonna do a movie where I have a relationship with a lesbian."
Kevin Smith "we did that movie, it's called Chasing Amy."
Ben: "But it is JLo this time!"
Only in this case, they put a chick in it, and made her lame and gay.
Before TNG:
Trekkie - the people who memorized Yeoman Rand's Cabin #, and the Combination to Kirk's safe.
Trekker - the people who went deeper
Trekkist - the people who didn't worry about the trivia, and focused on the themes and philosophies
After TNG:
Trekkie - fans of TOS
Trekker - fans of TNG
I'm sure there is now a variation between
fans of TOS/TAS/TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT and the novels based on them
fans of JJ Trek movies
fans of Kurtzman trek (DIS, SNW, LD, PRO, PIC)
Insane that you’ll watch this and not the director’s cut of Star Trek TMP. That version decidedly tightened up the pacing in addition to upgraded sound and special effects. It’s my third favorite movie in the franchise now
Spock: "Are we having fun?" 🤨
The movie overall isn't great, but it does have some of the best lines in Star Trek. Kirks"I've always known I'll die alone." Is such a great scene.
It's a good scene, but a really weird line unsupported by anything else anywhere in the Star Trek canon. It seems to only exist so that Spock can tell him he wasn't alone at the end of the film, in a pretty terrible scene.
I like star trek 5 because it's got the original cast,it reminds me of the original TV series,the chemistry of the characters,love the music from the late great Jerry goldsmith 🖖
The cat woman sound is actually just a direct sample of the opening cry from James Brown's 'I Got You (I feel good) - I shit you not.
I knew it! WaaaoW!
This movie is a guilty pleasure for me. I think it’s a bit underrated. Not perfect though. I personally give it a 7/10. Can understand of course why some people don’t like it (cheap visual effects, disappointing ending). Big pluses for me are the relationships between the big three (the pain scene in particular is fantastic and among the best in the series). Jerry Goldsmith’s score (particularly A Busy Man).
Hey guys, once again, these watch-alongs are some of my favorite things you guys do. So thanks for making them! They’re really fun
I’ve loved Star Trek since I was a kid, which I got from my Dad, so thanks to you and Mauler for doing this… It’s probably my favorite thing out of all the great things y’all do…
There is a good two part episode of Dr Who, they are called "The Impossible Planet" & "The Satan Pit", where Doc & Rose meets Satan. Was the 10th Doctor, David Tennant, June 2006.
There's an episode of Star Trek The Animates Series where they go to the center of the galaxy and meet Satan, and then they make friends with him, and Kirk battles a 16th century puritan in a wizard duel using magic spells, and I wish I was making any of this up.
I've been waiting for you guys to do this one. It single handedly made me love old Trek.
The cognitive dissonance of that makes me either sorry for you, or respect you greatly.
I kind of agree. I liked Trek before this film, and it was a bad film especially when you stack it up against the other five.
But it's likeable enough and smart people with good intentions made it...unlike today.
It was just a classic example of smart people making too many very bad decisions.
I gotta say….I love this movie. For me, I loved TOS because of the big 3. Sure, some were solid and some were crap but the big 3 always kept me engaged and they were front and center in this movie.
Really fun watchalong. ❤ When I was in college, I treated all of my siblings to STV:TFF as a treat on opening night. We waited an hour in line and talked to other happy excited fans to pass the wait. The excitement was truly palpable. As we waited in line, the 5 pm showing audience came out and I excitedly asked a guy exiting how it was.
He looked at me with a pause and then finally in our ever so polite Canadian way managed to utter, "Eh, it was okay." It clearly wasn't. 😮 His disappointment was so palpable that the crowd literally went silent. I knew right then and there I was going to regret bringing my little brothers and sisters along. I failed to learn my lesson and when I graduated and got my first job, I treated them all to Star Trek: Generations. Gee, I wonder why none of them to this day give a rat's ass about Star Trek. 😂
1:37:50 They actually cheekily address that in the TNG episode "The Nth Degree." In fact it's kind of implied the giant ghost head aliens in that episode are the same beings as the fake god in this movie.
Bones saying Kirk about Spock - “god I liked him better before he died”
Shut up Bones! You were killed by a giant toy knight made out of grass!
David Warner had an interesting career
Yeh, he was a Klingon, showed Picard four lights, commanded HMS Renown, and then went down with the Titanic!
He was in The Omen (1976). His character lost his head... so to speak 😏😉
Time After Time
Tron
Time Bandits
He should be remembered as a grand British icon. The man's professional life is incredible with all he done. Had the great pleasure of meeting him and talking with him at a convention years ago. Very aproachable and a real pleasure. RIP Mr. Warner.
Gary has to be a guest on today, maybe even AZ if he's not gaming. Under a thousand to go for Gary reaching 1 million !!! LET'S GO!!!!!
Gary and AZ can get stuffed.
The best thing about ST noob Mauler he will end the movie run on a banger after the worst ST movie.
I'd really enjoy a Star Trek retrospective with Gary and Drinker and MauLer-who's-been-forced-to-watch-all-of-TOS/TNG/DS9. Is Az even a Trekkie? I've only really heard him talk about Dr. Who and comic book stuff.
@@fakecubed Az is a strong TNG guy (show not films). He's mentioned if more than once. The most he's chatted about it was in a stream with RnB who's an Uber fan.
@@PrivateCitizen84 Fair enough then.
I must be crazy, but i love this movie.
You're not alone. It's one of my favorites.
Nah, the internet just enjoys dunking on it. It's good
You are Not alone!😉🖖
Still better than Nemesis. And every single Star Trek thing made after 2005.
Nemesis would have been a great 2 parter, but honestly, never should have been made.
Yep. Also better than Generations.
I would hope William Shatner would remember that Kirk had a brother. He fucking played him.
Tree is still there in the first shot, where the camera circles Kirk and moves into a wide shot.
mauler needs to feel your pain, share it with him.
Isn't that the basis of EFAP? 😂
The best part about this video is that implies you guys will do Undiscovered Country relatively soon.
Remember, if you count Picard Season 3 as canon, Kirk is not in fact dead.
It's the type of bad film you love though. Some very quotable moments, especially the conversation about needing one's pain.
Jerry Goldsmith makes this movie for me.
Best line from the film is, “bourbon and beans, an explosive combination.”
There's my argument, where's my "The Shatner Cut"???
"trekkie is derogatory.
Trekker is not."
A trekkie has lost touch with reality might show up to a town meeting dressed as a Klingon.
This council has no honor!!
I will build a shed in my backyard for the glory of the Klingon empire!!!
Hiya guys - they had a wonderful book called the Kobayashi Maru where they show what happens to multiple characters when they were faced with the scenario - Scotty, Sulu and Chekov if memory serves, and it was very good. They also had they go to IRL version as well - (a "super entity" - puts them there) - but the character development was very interesting in the book and shows how they approach the situations. When you talked about an alternative cut where they dealt with all the pain of the characters it made me thing of this.
One of life's simple pleasures is watching you two erudite gentleman viewing cinema together. Could easily do this every day. Star Trek 5 had glimpses of greatness but so much of it was rushed, including the ideas. I never bought Scotty and Uhura, either. This was the only one I didn't see in theater, oddly enough. Will you be reviewing the following films? I'd be interested but totally understand if you didn't.
What does God need with a starship?
Absolutely precious how the drinker impersonates the American televangelist 😂❤️
When I first saw the movie, I thought Kirk meant he would die alone because somebody prophesied it.
But recently I realized he meant that he would die alone because he has no one to come home to.
Let me help with distinguishing Trekkies from Trekkers: ''Trekkies'' act they believe the Star Trek universe is real. They walk, talk and act out Star Trek. I've seen some who walk around in public wearing Star Trek costumes (aside from the conventions). They even go to work that way. I met one guy years ago who legally changed his name to James T. Kirk. They spend thousands of dollars on anything Star Trek. And anything even remotely labeled "Star Trek" is fine with them.
''Trekkers'' see Star Trek as a brilliant form of entertainment. Star Trek let's us engage in the suspension of disbelief for an hour or two at a time. It's an established vehicle to tell good sci-fi stories with. We might wear a t-shirt with a Star Trek logo and even cosplay for a convention, but we live in the real world. Some of us like to produce our own type of fan art from drawings to paintings and to fan films. We are fans of Star Trek, but we're picky about it. I've been a Trekker since 1970 and I've always identified as one.
And I suppose there's nothing wrong with being either. It's up to everyone individually to identify as one or the other or something else.
Guys that is him climbing but on a lower rock of course lol
They really did Scotty dirty in this one when you compare his job performance in the movie with how he got a derelict starship combat capable with nonexistent resources in Doomsday Machine.
I like this movie more than any of the TNG movies. Sorry, not sorry. I appreciate the intent behind it, to return to the classic TOS dilemmas regarding the nature of man/God, wrestling with the core of being. Just a shame they couldn't nail that theme down better. That said, Undiscovered County is my absolutely favorite of all the films.
A photon torpedo is significantly more powerful than a nuke. Kirk and Co. run 50 ft and duck into a ditch and survivie a photon torpedo strike called directly down on their position.
Didn't even need a refrigerator.
Not as bad as in Voyager when they detonate a volley of six of them right outside the window everybody's standing next to.
I'll comment on pain that for myself it has been a strict teacher and has shaped me as a man. Half of my strength of character and empathy of others is from the pain and struggles I've been through. I've seen what individuals are like who have never struggled or felt pain or loss and I thank God that I am not like those shadow people.😊
Some of my pain has been useful, but I'd get rid of 90% of it in a heartbeat if I could.
I'm pretty sure the die alone line is about the complete trust Kirk has for Spock and McCoy specifically.
Also he did die alone in Generations originally, shot in the back and forgotten about, but that didn't test well so they had Kirk die under a bridge instead.
This film answered the question of how many ears does Captain Kirk have?
A left ear, a right ear and a Final Front Ear!
The “marshmellon” line felt so unlike Spock that my tiny self just assumed that must be an alternate pronunciation from a different English-speaking country. (I was a very trusting little nerd)
I was hoping this was going to be Drinker and Mauler watching the movie and commenting on it as silouhettes like MST3K.
"You know, guys, it just dawned on me, how weird this movie is, you know? Kinda goofy."
Drinker and Mauler audio commentaries are my only joy in life.
This movie is much easier to listen to than to watch.
32:06 That marshmallow dispenser always bugged me. I never thought of it as a replicator. Personally, I still don't buy it as a replicator. It looks like a marshmallow dispenser... That can hold 2 maybe 3 marshmallows...
I've seen a bootleg longer cut. If I remember correctly, the main additions were scenes that involved David Warners and the other hostages. The only thing i remember is the romulan woman had a ton more dialogue and that it was in her original undubbed voice. As bad as her performance is in the finished film, originally it was much worse.
I could see Sean Connery playing Sybok, especially at the age he would've been when this was made.
I definitely wouldn't take him as Sybok over him in Last Crusade, of course. Not in a million years. But I think he would've been pretty great in this role as well.
AKA : The Vulcan Who Laughed without artificial stimuli.
Here's my problem with Nimbus III: Why is there no security for the ambassadors? The UN has security. Embassies have security. As a crew chief in the USAF I have personally launched a fully armed F-15 to protect the President when he was attending the G8 summit. There is no way this planet, especially Paradise City, would be left unprotected.
Hey, I just watched this again yesterday! It’s not the best but there are a number of great character moments to enjoy.
Kinda stupid but like it. Love Jerry Goldsmith´s score.
The anecdote goes: Gene Roddenberry put in an appearance at a con, and said to the panel audience "It's great to see all the Trekkies out there!" and some guy shouts back "It's Trekkers!" And Roddenberry gently answers "It's Trekkies. I'd know. I invented the damn thing."
Apparently Kate Mulgrew spouted off something about the opposite, but I heard the Roddenberry anecdote first, and I'd tend to believe Roddenberry, for, y'know.
Kate Mulgrew is terrible. I don't even really hate the character she played, but the actress is a loon.
23:06 It didn't start here. This isn't even the first furry bait character in Star Trek. This is a Draylaxian, but there was a Caitian (Which you saw male versions of at the end of Star Trek IV) main cast member in the animated series. If you want to talk about Star Trek furry bait you have to look up M'ress from 1973.
Will Shatner regrets that he wasn't up for this film. His only director role. I've heard him speak on it. I believe him. I still have nostalgic feelings about this one, sitting next to my dad at the drive in. I love this film for my own reasons.
The difference between Trekkie and Trekker is based on who is defining it. You can find people insisting real fans are Trekkies and others saying real fans are Trekkers, and the same goes for what to call causal vs committed fans and "serious & thoughtful" fans vs those who will consume any Trek related merch. In my opinion, Trekker was basically a pretentious term used by those who wanted to distance themselves from being called Trekkies because of the stigma.
Looking for God and acknowledging the varied religions of the galaxies is one of the things I like.
I saw this in the theater at age 8 and in one of the last three Cinerama theaters in the US. Even though I was frequently rewatching the rest of ST I-IV as well as OT Star Wars and dove into the intricacy of the SPFX, I still always loved this movie despite the flaws. And it’s not just my heavily nostalgic 80’s aviators…The film score is some of Jerry Goldsmith’s best work. The camera they used was far superior to the previous movies, and the cinematography was really good. I also was reading the novelization at the time and that fills in a bunch of the plot holes. What held this movie back were the studio slashing budget, ILM being overbooked, and most importantly the writers strike. If the studio was more up front with what the budget was really going to be and they had an experienced effects house to work with and give accurate quotes and realistic promises, they would have known before green-lighting that the story would not be possible, and would have had to wait for a better story. As it is, it’s a TOS episode that shines in a lot of ways but falls on its face in a couple big ways…. and still fun to watch
I'll be honest: this is the one I've been waiting for since you did the first one😁😁
You know, I still enjoy this movie even though it definitely isn’t as good as 2, 3 and 4. Something about it is just kinda cool. I especially like the attack on the compound in the middle of the movie. Easily better than Generations and Nemesis too. Not a good movie but still an enjoyable one, at least for me.
This movie is often said to be the second worst of the six films but I really enjoy it. The exchanges between the crew are some of the funniest in my opinion but as long as I’m entertained I don’t complain much 🤷🏻♂️
Second worst? Who said that?
5:15 sounds like a half-baked 40K prequel
There's a big difference between watching a bad movie like "Rebel Moon" and thinking "This is so bad and I hate it" and watching this and thinking "This is so bad but I still love it because I love these characters and enjoy watching them work together." There's a lovable, nostalgic cheapness here that I can appreciate, especially when compared to today's films made for... modern audiences.
Normally the Enterprise is the only ship in range... even when Earth is under threat... you’d think they would keep a few local to defend Sector 001.
V’ger had a pretty clear run to Earth in the first one.
From what I heard, the Klingon shooting the Satellite scene was actually Shatner taking a dig at The Motion Picture. Something about making a statement about how his movie was better than that slow motion movie. Jokes on him, I guess. Though Star Trek 5 still remains a guilty pleasure for me, given that it was one of the three movies that I own (4 and 6 were the other two, if you're curious) growing up. Can't wait for you two to watch Star Trek 6!
Faith requires consent or at least acceptance of powerlessness in the face of something more powerful than you. This story makes more sense from a philosophical point of view than a simple action movie framework.
G.Roddenberry is on the record replying ot a fan : "It's Trekkies , i should know i invented it".
This film was remade in 2021 as Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings. It has the exact same plot.
I'd still watch Star Trek 5 before I'd ever watch Shang-Chi or Prometheus.
Lol this movie Gets a Lotta flak, but you know I can't help loving it