Sawyer Insect Repellent and PiActive Mosquito Shield - Honest Review
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- The Sawyer Insect Repellent clothing and gear spray (permethrin) is tested against thousands of hungry mosquitoes in the Canadian wilderness. The treated clothing was washed once and then tested again. Watch and find out if I am protected from getting eaten alive! Caution, this video was shot during prime mosquito time. Not recommended for some viewers.
The new PiActive brand spray on insect repellent with 20% Picaridin is also tested. Find out if it lives up to the advertised claim of being a long-lasting, strong but gentle 12-hour protective shield against mosquitoes. Have we found an effective alternative to DEET repellents? Let us hope so or we might need to buy new camera equipment.
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I really like your videos my friend - no b/s and easy to understand - there are so many companies claiming this and that, I remember the battery operated anti mozzie gadget video. Thanks so much for suffering in the name of science, us outdoor types love kit that works and you are helping a lot of folk choose wisely. Had to subscribe to see more of you and your videos. Take care my friend, love from across the pond. Stay funky ;)
funkyprepper Wow. Comments like this keep me going. Thank you my friend. ;-)
I'll take oily over sticky any day of the week. Great vid!
you have big problems.
i'm itching just watching and listening to them buzzing you. Thanks for taking he bites for me.
We used permethrin in Afghanistan, Africa, and other locales. It seemed to work very well. It also repels sand fleas which carry a serious skin condition disease called leishmaniasis. A lot of Afghani children has rashes and worse on their faces. We used a US Army product that you mixed with a little water and then soaked an item on clothing in a big ziploc type bag overnight, then dried out completely the next day. This made the clothing good for life in repelling bugs.
Permethrin is also used in flea treatments for dogs. The kind you can buy at Canadian Tire, etc
I ordered a 10% jug of the stuff for less than the cost of the Sawyer stuff. I'll dilute it down properly and apply it to more of my clothes.
I have another Picaridin product called Natrapel and it seems to work OK. I got it off the internet from the US last summer.
Thanks for another great review!
Chris Collier Another viewer in my last mosquito review video recommended the flea treatment idea but I could not find the brand they recommended. What is the brand name of the stuff at Canadian Tire? I would like to check it out. Thanks for sharing the info with all of us. Awesome.
EconoChallenge I don't have any left but I think is was something like Harz? They come in small containers and I can't remember what %; so unsure if you could add them to water to make an effective spray or soak....
www.amazon.ca/Other-BC825669-Permethrin-10%25-Pint/dp/B002TMB4DE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1438365956&sr=8-2&keywords=permethrin
This is the stuff I ordered from Amazon.ca.
Chris Collier I read the label online an it says it has a residual action of 28 days. The sawyer spay has a residual action of up to 42 days. I wonder why the difference. I am guessing you would dilute this stuff down to 0.5% by adding 20 pints of water. If my math is right then you are getting more than 20X the applications for about the same money as one 12 oz bottle of the sawyer spray. That is huge savings!!!!
98%rubbing alcohol in 4oz spray bottle with 20/30 drops of lavender oil. Tic repellant also.
Wow Jeep what a sacrifice. Thank you so much for this video. There is almost nothing worse than bad mosquitos and to see it work and for how long I couldn't ask for more. Let us know if the equipment suffered because of it. You are a star.
Daryl Gud I have now had two trips out using the bug repellent in the video with no ill effects to the camera equipment. The most recent was a week in the bush. That claim hold up!!! Thanks for the great comment!
Dear EconoChallenger
Have you try herbal plants like lavender, mint, sage, etc in your repellant test instead of the bottle repellants?
Great suggestion!
Great review. Nothing beats testing like you do it. Thank you for this honest review. My experience with permethrin is positive .....excellent for outer clothing, the outside of tents and ground cloths. However, be careful to never put on clothing that has been sprayed with permethrin before it has thoroughly dried. Thoroughly, thoroughly dried. I made the mistake once, and wore the clothing for three days continuously....and on the fourth day developed a serious rash and chemical burns that took months to go away. My reaction might not be typical, but I am now cautious about how I use it. I will spray outer shirts, but never again an undershirt that has continuous close contact with my skin.
there is a slight difference between 12 hours and 2 hours,
Maybe Canadian mosquitoes are a little more aggressive
than their southern cousins, lol
Think I'll stick with the DEET. I use Deep Woods Off for my skin but I like the Sawyer for the clothes.... Thanks for getting bitten so we don't have to!
mobiltec LOL ... you are welcome.
i got the sawyer product for the start of the season, but you're right - it's expensive and I just treated my hat, shoes, pack & a few other items. I found that my hat would wear off due to the rains.
Jim Cyr So far the sawyer needs to be re-applied after three washes which is better than I thought it would last.
Very informative review thanks for sharing. I will be seeing if I can get some up here too.
Great review, thanks for taking some bites for the team! Keep them coming!
Great video! BTW, permethrin and pyrethrin are not the same.
You should get permethrin concentrate, more uses and cheaper to apply.
This concentrate will last you years - just make sure you dilute down to .5%!! store.doyourownpestcontrol.com/permethrin-sfr-insecticide-qt?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI7oOWh7yL6gIVjobACh2qPgQmEAQYASABEgKKLvD_BwE
I've seen a video where they used a 10% Permethrin solution diluted with water at a 19:1 for a 0.5% concentrate then soak clothing and hang dry for 3 days. IS THIS SAFE BEING ON THE INSIDE OF CLOTHING??
I would use commercial versions that are prepared for that purpose first before I would try making up my own solution.
Hey Jeep another good one. Wow they were bad in there and I guess if you are going to do a review that's the place. The Sawyer spray is pretty reasonable if you actually buy it in the states. However it has come to my attention there are substitutes. My buddy says go to a feed and supply store and get the stuff for horses. It comes in a big bottle and is way more reasonably priced. Absorbine makes one apparently. Just a thought.
A J Taylor Great suggestion. I am looking into this as a few other viewers have suggested the same thing. It is much cheaper to go that way as long as you dilute it to .5% permethrin. Not sure what I should use to dilute it.
EconoChallenge Mike my friend says he doesn't dilute it as it's going on his clothes and he lets it dry prior to putting them on so it really never touches his skin. He claims it's the best on ticks, not a one this year. He lives south of Ottawa and has a hobby farm so normally sees lots in the hay meadows.
Can you do more insect repellent test?
Yes. It is on the list for this spring. I need the bugs to do the tests.
I remember reading an article that appeared in Backpacker Magazine concerning mosquito repellent. The article appeared in Backpacker several years ago. So the information is very likely out of date. I suppose there are several new repellents which are available.
The people at Backpacker took various tests and gave what I believe is an honest review. They came to the conclusion that most of the repellents were about the same. There are some interesting things which they discovered. Mosquitoes don't have eyes and they zero in on people through evaporation of body moisture and in particular breath.
They assert that when one eats garlic - the chemicals in garlic actually act as a repellent. They came to the conclusion that mosquitos don't like garlic on ones breath and in the blood stream. Whether this is actually true - I cannot say - but I found the information fascinating. I'd really love to know if they are correct in their analysis.
One of the hikers in our group put garlic to the test during one of our trips in Northern Ontario. The part of our province where mosquitoes and black flies are out almost all summer. He ate 5 cloves of raw chopped garlic and then we started our trip. We tried to compare the amount of bug activity around him vs the rest of the group while the garlic was still in his system. It was a very subjective analysis for sure but none of the 4 people in the group noticed any difference. One thing was for sure. The garlic kept the other three hikers a safe distance upwind as often as possible.
I was rather suspicious after reading the article in Backpacker. It really wasn't a scientific study but very subjective. The participants were members of the staff of Backpacker and a few guest columnists.
Here is a tidbit of information from the same magazine: There was an article concerning a canyon in Arizona where a large population of hummingbirds would migrate. My brother was in the army stationed outside of Sierra Vista. He lived off base at the bottom of Ramsey Canyon. He was the one who informed me of the large number of hummingbirds in the vicinity of the canyon. Hence, I knew that the author of the article was speaking of Ramsey Canyon. My brother and some of his friends took me through a portion of the canyon. It is very narrow with a stream running through it. The author of the article spoke of walking through the canyon at night armed with an ultra-violet lamp. He mentioned that the walls of the canyon were peppered with scorpions. Their exo-skeleton would glow a greenish hue when exposed to black light.
I am glad that I read the article AFTER visiting the canyon and not before hand.
Way to put yourself in the line of fire for the rest of us. The bug vids are awesome. Thanks and keep it up.
I have tried literally every insect repellant known to man. mosquitoes LOVE me! I went to the states and saw this sawyer insect spray that you apply to your clothes prior to using. That is the ONLY thing that works well! It lasts about 2 or 3 washes. For my face and hands i use a permethrin lotion from sawyer as well.
I'm sitting here watching this video and swatting your mosquitoes away from my face! Nasty creatures! I am a firm believer in permerthrin. We usually get the cheaper concentrated permerthrin from farm supply stores and mix our own solution.
We picked up some concentrated permethrin and plan on trying to do that same thing this year. Thank you for sharing.
I use Nobite Kleidung (German) or Nobite textile or Nobite clothing (international versions) on my clothes and mosquito nets. It also contains permithrin, but also two additional insecticides. I seem to remember it being cheaper than the Sawyer product, too.
Allot of how the repellent works depends on the carrier. Some are water base and some are oil. The oil base ones last much longer than water because it evaporates much faster. Bug Shield is all soy based carrier oil and will out last the water base ones. Also any repellent will not keep 100% of bugs away. They are made to cut down bites dramatically.
You can buy Permethrin at the local Farm & Fleet in a more concentrated form and dilute it to spray on clothing.
We need to have a license in Ontario to have access to the concentrate. I looked into it.
@@EconoChallenge So funny what we are and are not trusted to handle. I tell you what, and I say this as a joke, I'll bring some Permethrine, you bring some Tylenol with Codeine and we can have a good old-fashioned swap at the border. We can make it happen while we buy booze and perfume in the Duty-Free store. LOL
Thank you for being thorough and honest. It is refreshing to hear from someone not trying to make a sale.
I hate mosquitoes, and fleas. Fleas are the worst you let a flea get into your home and y
Marks work warehouse now sells Canada’s only permethrin lined clothing. Search “tick” on their site and you will find it.
So is the off better or the picardin
Off is better
The clothing spray is available at Walmart...about 14 bucks...I didn't think that was too much for what I saw in this video! I live in Orillia (which in First Nations language probably means "The land of the multitude of relentless mosquitoes and black flies". I hope this is the same thing you were demonstrating. What a great and useful honest review! Thanks kindly for your endurance!
Ooooops...I have to reply to my own post. No sir...that price I gave was for USA Walmart...sorry about that.
Next time I visit the States I will be buying some more to bring home.
Permethrin is outstanding . I have had clothes treated last for 3-6 washings after sweating in South Louisiana heat / humidity . I treat My snake boots for ticks etc. I also treat Hunting head net . Love Your videos , Great job Sir .
Permethrin is on my cloths all the time now. I love the stuff.
Nice review man! I usually only treat my clothing once a year and I never hand wash unless I have to..lol Don't forget your socks if you wear shorts ! It will keep the ticks at bay as well!
TomsBackwoods Great suggestion. Most of the time I am wearing gators on the trail to protect my legs. Never had a tick yet. I am hearing they are really bad this year so this will give me even more protection.
Thank you for sharing about Off! Botanicals! I normally hate putting on mosquito repellant because of the chemicals but will give this natural product a shot.
I hope you like it as much as I do.
I have never heard the term 'pretty good crop of mosquitos'.
This is a darn good review, and even though we do not have a bad problem with them around here, this is very good info.
Great post.
Tango Joe Than you my friend.
Great videos, easy to understand, and cool sense of humour! The permethrin is de rigour for AT CDT and PCT through hikers. They swear by it. Really glad you reviewed the PiActive. Picardin (sp?) is touted by some through hikers as well. Much appreciated. Where did you purchase your PiActive btw? thanks again! (I found this at CDN Tire, Wilson, Home Pest Control with 0.25% Permethrin and some other compound as a preservative, different than on the Sawyer's product)
+Gary Bowen The PiActive was purchased from Mountain Equipment Coop. MEC. Thank you for the info.
Hi Jeep. My husband and I just came home from a 4 day camping trip in Maryland. The mosquitos were bad. I used the Deet based spray and even tried the Avon skin-so-soft spray that someone gave me but they still got me. Biting through fabric too. Couldn't keep them out of the tent either. I have to look into that sawyer spray for fabric that you showed us. It seem to be good. Thanks, Lisa
zalkona I just got back form a week in the wilderness of Eastern Ontario. The sawyer spray worked awesome on my clothing! I sprayed it on the door netting of the tent before we left but the little devils came in the door when we used it anyway. Don`t know if there is any way to stop that.
morning, Jeep; Quite a swarm of the lil Jeesers. The Joys Of Summer. I have used the Watkins Brand repellant, But never been in the environment U were in. What I use works well. Thanks 4 sharing this with us Friend.
Happy Trails From Down The Path A Piece ATB Terry
God Bless
I like the Watkins lotion with DEET too, smells nice, not greasy and it works! Much better than spray forms of DEET. Likely still melts plastic though.
Thanks so much for your videos. So much real data. Have you mentioned which blood type you have? There is really nothing fool proof. Best is to bring your unprotected friend to hike with you kekeke.
Have you tested which is the most sweat proof? I hike in 85-90deg and 80-90 percent humidity so I tend to sweat so I feel that I'm diluting the products I apply.
Your first suggestion is a great one. LOL Sweat will dilute your protection on your skin. In your case I would definitely go with the sawyer clothing pray and a bug net. You are still going to be hot but at least you will not be dealing with bugs.
Hello my friend I’m so impressed how you can do this reviews about mosquitos but I have to say that you very brave to do that and want to thank you for that
Glad you liked it
Hi Jeep! In my experience the Sawyer Peremethrin doesn't harm clothing or equipment and will last through a couple of machine washings if you wash with cold water. I have no track record with the other repellant you were using. I use something called Herbal Armor as a repellant to put on my skin and it seems to work pretty well and doesn't have the nasties associated with Deet. I will admit that most of the areas where I hike are hillier than the area you were in and have fewer major mosquito breeding grounds.
Kenneth Speed I have killed a camera using DEET in the past. I just want to make sure I am not going to do it again with Picaridin. Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment Ken. Good to hear from you.
Permethrin is used to treat bug nets distributed in malarial areas. So maybe you should treat your bug net so the mossies won't try to bite through that. You don't likely put your bug net in the washing machine.
FlashGeiger Hey that is a really good idea. Thank you.
Which lotion would you recommend? Watkins Insect Repellent or Off Botanical?
+Nancy Gleason Off Botanicals for sure because that is what I use and it works. I do not have any experience with the Watkins product so I can not say one way or the other.
Thanks for a very thorough review. I think u thought of all the different possibilities. Enjoyed watching and it even made me itch! lol We have lots of them in Iowa too, but don't think nearly as bad as you have up North.
Sometimes I think we are the breeding ground that supplies North America. Thank you for visiting.
Those mosquitos look more like birds!
Way to take one for the team Jeep! I have had good results with the Sawyer repellent, and it's the top choice for ticks as well. After feeling what Lyme's disease can do to you the Sawyer repellent is a deal! I have to say I've been staying out of the woods due to ticks, but they should be on the decline as we move into August. I'll see if they have PiActive in our area, and even if you have to reapply it it's better than DEET. Thank you for the great review! Sincerely, Ossie
Ossie Weinert Thanks for dropping in for a visit Ossie my friend.
awesome review, thanks for taking one for the team. I'm using these products next weekend. I was going to do a review but yours was so good that I'm considering not posting a review at this time. Homer
Wow. That says a lot. Thank you.
Just like Funkyprepper said, you certainly taking the bullet for the team.
Clouds Rain I say you need to find mosquitoes to do a review on repellents. No backyard review here!!! Thanks for dropping in for a visit.
Wow, the mossies are really bad.
Where can you buy this (Sawyer or Permethrin) in Ontario (Southern)?
I looked into this two years ago. Permethrin is a controlled substance in Ontario. I have not being able to find the Sawyer product since I made this video. The Amazon retailer I was purchasing it from stop shipping across the border.
Great review. Thanks, Jeep.
I realize this video is a couple of years old now. What is your go-to product nowadays to prevent mosquito bites on skin? I've been using a 20% Picaridin and it works quite well. I also found an herbal spray that was mostly catnip, and it worked unbelievably well, but I cannot find it anymore. Lemon eucalyptus sensitizes my skin, giving me constant chills long after it dries. Another thing that seemed to help was showering with red, Carbolic soap. Vitamin B1 taken in 100 mg doses (1 per day) is supposed to also make you taste bad to the little buggers. And Permethrin is available as a dip for clothing. With dipping, you don't miss areas like you can with a spray. My concern is that it is on the inner layer of clothing against your skin... But it is supposedly safe once the treated clothing has dried after treatment. IIRC, it supposedly lasts for dozens of washes.
I am using Off eucalyptus on my skin. I have not noticed a chill factor. I use permethrine clothing spray on my socks, pants and shirts. I believe it is safe after it has dried. But how do we really know if that is true? Finally I still wear a bug net to keep them off my head.
Thanks for the prompt reply! So, basically, everything from the video back then is still your go-to advice for today. I guess that's good in that you've found something that works and has stood the test of time! 😀
Imagine being in the War of 1812 and slogging through the Canadian wilderness with no protection from mosquitoes! I wonder what First Nations peoples used?
That is a really good question. I am surprised that I never thought to look into this until now. Thank you.
@@EconoChallenge No problem! I'd definitely look forward to you making a video about it. I imagine that no one has evolved to being resistant to mosquito bites, so I assume First Nations peoples used natural repellents. By the way I stumbled onto your videos because I'm going up to Yellowknife soon lol. Keep up the great work!
At 3:06 what do you mean propaganda in the box? It looks like it works as stated by Sawyer & in your video. Was there something miss leading by Sawyer?
+J Doe Good question. The sawyer product did work as advertised. Unlike the other products that I tested before I did this video. So my comment was a bit misleading in hindsight but at the time I was very skeptical of the claims. Due to my previous experience with products that over promise and under-perform. Sawyer is not one of those products.
EconoChallenge It is a good video showing how it works. Now just need something for the skin that is not covered. The best as you do use is Off!
Permethrin works remarkably well the only downside is that if you have a cat you must keep all clothing treated with permethrin away from them since it is deadly toxic to felines , a single exposure may be fatal , however it is safe for dogs and all other mammals .
Adan Cortes If the spay has dried on the clothing do you still need to be concerned about exposure to cats? I am asking because my friend has a cat and I don`t want to harm it.
EconoChallenge Sadly yes , as you have seen yourself permethrin remains active after totally drying out and even after the garments being washed , have a cat myself and that's the reason I can't take advantage of this product , I know that after washing the clothes the amount of permethrin will decrease but not sure what concentration is harmfull and what is relatively safe so I am not taking any chances .
I had a similar experience with picaridin by sawyers. The pyrethrin, works famously. I buy the 36 percent concentration from Amazon. I pay 30.00 USD . Mix with water to refill my spray bottle. Saves so much money. As a hunter and fisherman I highly recommend giving it a try .
Picardin’s true benefit is in its tick deterrence. It is only one of two approved sprays, the other being deet, for black legged ticks and it can safely be applied on synthetic clothes without worry about it eating it away.
really good stuff, fun video
hobbexp I know you have mosquitoes just as bad in your part of the world. What do you use?
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Does Piactive work for deer flies or black flies?
I can say for sure it does not work for deer flies. I have not tried it for black flies.
I have used Siphotrol on my clothes to repel mosquitoes and ticks for the past two summers. Works well.
Louise Hiker I have looked through the stores but could not find anything that had only permethrin on the label. The link you added is a big help. I am going to have to try my vet and see if they carry the same stuff. The other alternative is diluting the stuff they sell to put on livestock. It is 10% permethrin! Diluted that will treat a lot of clothing.
Your vets can probably order some in for you, if they do not carry it. Possibly ditto for any large animal product, but I am less familiar with those nor how to dilute them. I do know some stuff cannot be diluted with water, if oil soluble for example. I hope you will do a review video comparing the Siphotrol to the Sawyer product.
Oh ya ... for sure!!
This has been one hot summer. I'm ready for fall.
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