WINTERS, i am a deployment zone sub, the interactions between you and sayhipaul = win. it embodies the hobby politely, pauls narative building and your camera action plus comments on the unfolding battle (thanks by the way for the explanation for noobs like me) are amazing, i hope you see this because i really appreciate the channel. also your tutorials are very good!
Would agree with your choices Winters - I've been a long time fan of the channel and your End of All Things are always an inspiration! Bloat Drones are my number 1 favourite - I just wish I could take more of them (i.e. if they came in a squadron of 3 like the MBHs). They act as a perfect bodyguard for flying DPs, and with spitters they're always firing - whether they've advanced or fallen back, and you actively want your opponent to charge them because you practically gain another shooting phase so long as they're within 9" range. On the Deathshroud, nope you are right - it's the same reason why the Lord of Contagion is naff. Basically they're DG mutilators - they have clout but can never get there to apply it, and so they're worse than useless unless you're bringing Mortarian - in which case they're purely there for guard duty, destined to die in service to their Lord (as it should be). When the stars align however, and you make that charge from deep-strike, they can do a horrific amount of damage - but more often than not you'll whiff the charge, and then your opponent will simply... back away at a brisk walk... What they need is some stratagem or mechanic to get them in there - perhaps a homing beacon to allow them to deep-strike within 9" of an enemy unit. As it is, Blightlords simply outclass them - you don't need to make that charge, you just need to make sure you can land on a key objective and sit there for the rest of the game. That said, with PA: War of the Spider a little way around the corner, what are your hopes for the Death Guard?
Lord I love the Blood splattered all over the plaguebursts! Any chance there is a closer picture somewhere? I’m not an elite painter and can use s as good reference for help! Thanks in advance
Leviathan Dreadnought with your flavour of weapons is great. Big points sink but earns his keep especially having a cheap chaos lord nearby. I run mine with grav flux bombard and butcher cannon array
So I've only just built my Army (The Plagues Kiss) but my 3 are Deathshroud Terms (ive always ravaged enemies with them), Plague Marines with BLight Launchers, & of course the Hell Brute With a Twin Lascannon and a Missile launcher & you use a CP for a strategem to make him attack twice make sure you have a Tallyman to get it back the amount of times these 3 combined with Plague mortars ive wrecked my friends and enemies very fun army AWSOME VIDEO! love watching you play Death Guard! Please continue to wreck our enemies in the name of PAPA NURGLE!
I'm glad to get some advice on building a good force. I was just thinking if I should get more drones and or more elite choices other than what's in dark imperium. Can't say I have any experience myself, what with barely two squads painted up yet, but from the many battle reports I have seen, that noxious blightbringer is ludicrously useful for getting the very choppy army close enough to chop quickly. Even in my few practice games I find he works very well trudging along with melee units. And with low morale units, that toxin is pretty good too.
Got to agree with your list. All are my almost auto includes, but also generally take a Nurgle demon detachment of poxbringer and a nurgling squad or them and Epidemius and some more nurglings, as the poxbringer can heal (fleshy abundance) and buff (+1 strength to nearby ) demon engines and Epidemius' tally works for the demon engines and Morty as well. As for forge world stuff, Leviathan, Contemptor, and Deredo dreadnoughts are the absolute bomb. Giving accurate long-range firepower the Death Guard sorely lack, and since they have the Hellbrute keyword they can move and don't suffer the penalty.
Lovely breakdown. I’m not sure about unit, but the strat “cloud of flies” has a load of tactical options with it, especially when big blobs of Plaguebearers or pox walkers get locked up in combat. Great content as ever!
O I forgot about the Blightlord Terminators, I can never get winters setup to work, normally everything can move away fast enough. I run 5 terminators with 4x combi meltas and blightlauncher, to take out heavy targets as these guys can move, advance and shoot each turn, so the slow 4inch movement turns to 5 to 7 inches which means they keep up with most units. Also landing a chaos lord with them for the re rolls helps.
The biggest problem I have with DG is that they want access to Dark Hereticus discipline SO BADLY. Prescience and Warptime are such good spells but you have to splash a Spearhead or something to grab a jump pack sorcerer to sling Morty up the field. It works, but I'm worried that in 9th it's going to be restrictive.
The Plagueburst Crawlers are amazing, better than the Drones for about the same cost. I agree wholeheartedly with your recommendation of the Foul Blightspawn. They are by far the best character the DG get. I have had one kill a Tau Barracuda in one turn.
Deathshoud: I deepstrike them. If Morty is alive turn 2 (usually is), then they either drop in ahead of him to absorb wounds OR If Morty is a lost cause, then they're board control in the enemy deployment zone for whatever previously moved up to take the Primarch out. I also use them as an anvil, by pinchering my opponent w deep striking Blight lords. The above combo has been consistently frustrating for my opponents & leaves the rest of my army to fulfill multiple of roles generally uncontested.
Perhaps if you used Warptime on the Deathshroud Terminators? Would mean using a small detachment of non Death Guard Chaos Space Marines, but I think that could work. Dont have them myself sadly, the models are glorious but the rules are lacking a bit
I'd put good old fashioned plague marines in the number 2 slot. A squad of 7 with 3 plasma guns seems to put the fear of god into my opponents. Plus they're a T5 troop choice with disgustingly resilient. Other than that I think your spot on. Love my blightlord terminators. I run a squad of 7 with 5 combi meltas and a flail.
Leviathan w/ dual butcher cannons is incredibly brutal. Deredeos are also solid, but I prefer the Leviathan due to the fact it's T8. The losers of the Death Guard: 3) Plague Surgeon 2) Tallyman 1) Biologus Putrifier Your list was pretty spot-on, Blightlords rarely fail me and drones are worth it for their points.
Winters! Deredeo dreadnoughts! BS 2+ even when moving, ignores line of sight with the greater havoc launcher, defense against flyers, and the butcher cannon is just brutal. A great weapon platform that lays down covering fire for your slow and purposeful advance.
I've got a total of one games in so no one should pay attention to me, but i was able to deep strike them in the back at turn 3 and they closed in to lock up some ad mech robos that tore me up. Did absolute work when I paired them with Lord Felthius.
Blight haulers always do work. They give cover to my plague marines moving to objectives while shooting well enough to cripple tanks and can tie up things in close combat with their -1 to hit in melee rule while being hard to put down to begin with. Also deathshrouds are just distractions I drop near the enemy with typhus.
I had extreme success early edition with deathshroud terminators. The meta was a little less evolved and deepstrike alpha was still the go to. My success was a unit ran with typhus as a goon squad to jump on vehicle and character targets after holes were made. I had deathshroud with typhus drop knights on the regular and crack vehicles wide open and the hand flamers were decent but not great at helping them get through low toughness screens. I haven't run them in a while, maybe I'll try again and see how it holds up.
YMMV Deathshroud Bodyguards are a key unit in my chaos soup threat overload list but I'm not sure if they'd work just sprinkled in an all Deathguard or mainly Deathguard force. The reason they work in my list is I have them protecting Mortarion aka Morty on the first turn from big stuff like Las Cannons and Volcano Cannons etc by either being near Morty but out of sight turn 1 or using the Cloud of Flies strat to make them un-targetable while Morty and other big threats in my list are slightly closer. When I move Morty I advance the Deathshroud which with Morty's large base and the 3" aura ability keeps him covered in case a.) Warptime fails or b.) Warptime is used on something else (one of my Disco Lords). All in all it leaves my opponent with targeting priority conundrums a.) Shoot Morty who is positioned to reduce the number of big guns that can target him and able to pass off any that do connect to the Deathshroud, b.) Shoot at my only visible Disco Lord who is at minimum -3 to hit even going second c.) shoot at my Double Thermal cannon Dread-blade Knight way at the back of my deployment zone that can rotate Ion Shields. If you can give your Morty a little cover from enemy artillery the Deathshroud can absorb a surprising amount of damage that he would otherwise need to soak. If they don't shoot at him at all because of the potential to whiff with these barriers in place you keep your Morty fresh AND get some nice mid field bruisers/backfield counter charge for later in the game. My list is similar to that of Justin Curtis featured on Art of War podcast episode 6.1 except mine is largely Alpha Legion with Nurgle marks on Discos and Mind Veil on my main Blender Disco Lord with Clandestine warlord trait. (We Are Alpharius). YMMV TL:DR Use the Deathshrouds to give Mortarion a turn of protection and their ROI is very good because you know what that monster does if he gets a half a chance.
Something that really annoys me is the tallyman's CP regain is you have to get a 7 exactly on 2 dice (so 1/6 chance) and you get all your CP refunded for the strat. The problem is 2 out of the 14 stats are more than one CP (excluding 2 relics because can't regain those) and both of them suck so we're just stuck with a worse CP trait, it doesn't even work on insane bravery and counter offensive. Sorry for my small rant, it's just frustrates me that it's worse for the sake of it being the number 7.
If you run 6 Deathshroud to cover Mortarion (if you go second) you can run the survivors up in a rhino. I’ve seen people use the brothers grim (I think its winters himself that does) but using 2 units of Deathshroud to box someone in can work better via deep strike, The only downside is there speed to getting to locations which can be there downfall. I have 6 bloat drones but mainly run 2/3 heavy blight launchers either by castling with 2 plague crawlers and a chaos lord with arch contaminator ( re rolls off one & and all failed plague weapon damage rolls get a re roll) Or I run 3 heavy blight launchers with a daemon Prince with arch contaminator as he can keep up and then release his charge once the time is right (my enemies fear this one with 3 drones) I also do the same sort of thing with 3 blight haulers backed up with chaos lord for re rolls and which allows the prince to get close enough. I no longer run plague marines, I use cultists 3 to 4 units or I bring in the nurglings in in groups of 4 to take strategic points in first round with Epidemius and/or 1or2 Poxbringers to heal my daemon units like blightlaunchers. Two Poxbringers casting fleshy abundance will give a unit 2 x D3 health back. I only bring hellbrutes with twin Lascannon and castle when fighting Tua But the Hellforged version with twin butcher cannons and the fire twice stratagem is a beast but I don’t have this yet. Anyone use these stratagems?
I think if you incorporate swarm of flies and the death shroud terminators as well as deep striking both terminators in two directions you might get more use from the sythe’s also great video
So I'm still building up a DG army, but I love all the units you cover. I'm trying to think of a way to make Mortarion work and be tankier when you get stuck going second... what about deploying the Deathshrouds alongside Morty to take the hits for him when he eats the alpha-strike?
Add Helbrutes. I know they are not the best. But they are such a sick model and if you bring 2 those las cannons or missiles can put in work at long range.
Foul blightspawn are brilliant. Every time I’ve used one it’s destroyed a vehicle in one turn. The big downside is, if your opponent knows what they are capable of they die very quickly
The only thing I absolutely hate about death guard is storing them. Im too broke to buy a big plastice container, so I just keep them in a suitcase filled with styrafome, but all their litlle spikes get caught in the stuff and break off
I have to vouch for PBC’s, I always run three and I’ve never regretted it, they’re cheap with good indirect fire and are tough as granite with t8, 12 wounds 5+ invuln and DR. Also, I always take along a Leviathan dread with dual butchers, the DG ability to move and shoot heavy weapons without penalty make an already great unit even better. With all of those, that’s a whopping 50 t8 wounds to boot. And if you have some Bloat Drones as well, your opponent is going to have to seriously work to chew through all of that.
I like to deep strike in the deathshroud with a lord of contagion. 1 lord with 2 units of 3 behind the enemy or as close to something I want taken out as I can get. Even if they dont do alot they serve as a great distraction that your opponent has to deal with immediately. Usually they will be there for a couple of turns.
I use Deathshroud termies to deploy next to morty and soak up dmg for him thanks to their Silent Bodyguard ability - if you know your going second (thanks to new missions and new ITC) you taking 3-5 of these guys can be the difference between Morty being tabled turn one - since they intercept the hit on 2+ you get to make the 4+/5++ on the Termies vs on Morty. At worse they die but at least that leaves Morty alone to do his thing
I personally love deathshroud terminators i deepstrike them turn 2 or 3 with a lord of contagion once ive cleaned out some screening or chaff units, my deathguard is a battalion to assist 3 big chaos knights. The enemy usually dont bother with the little grim reapers because theres bigger things to deal with. Hope this helps, thanks for the great content :)
Plagueburst Crawlers with plaguespitters, Bloatdrones and Daemon Princes. Agree on Deathshroud, if they fail their charge from deep strike they will do nothing, only good for protecting Mortarion turn 1. My hope is they get a redeploy stratagem where they can teleport to protect characters, and also some sort of bonus to charging from deep strike, and they should be more resilient.
You need more Myphitic Haulers! Dreadnought equivalent, take 3 in a unit and can perform well as both anti tank and anti infantry! The Swiss army knife of my Death Guard!
Fleshmower drones are down to 116, very awesome distraction carnifex, also 3 blight haulers can go straight at the enemy and shoot along the way and tie up things I'm melee with 12 attacks on the charge, minus 1 to being hit in melee, 306 points for 24 wounds 3+/5++/5+++ is awesome. I take poxes for backline objectives, 3 haulers with a dp to dive straight in, 2 fleshmower drones, 3 spitter pbc's and a dp with arch.c as a 2nd strike force and 10 blight Lord's always bc they're absurd, give it a shot!!
More Blighthaulers! You ar least want one unit of 3, I run 6 models. The range is insane, movement is choice, they offer a ton of buffs versatility and they don't die. I've been thinking about getting some Deathshroud but for me their whole purpose would be keep Typhus alive so I don't lose my PW buff. I think it's unrealistic to expect them to do more than that
It is my main army, regardless of whether it is more or less competitive. 9 plague marines with a foul blightspawn on a rhino, 3 myphitic blight-haulers down the center with their poxwalkers + Typhus and Mortarion flying, make the opponent hesitate where to shoot. And for dessert, Blightlord Terminators with a Lord of Contagion. Cheers!
Been planning to use these tactics in a game. Just got back into 40k before christmas (Dark Imperium so got Marines and Death Guard) but due to Nurgles influence I haven't had chance to really test hoe effective it is. Can you give me any pointers or experience in using the tank line down the centre and deep striking terminators? I have a couple of demon princes and a hellbrute instead of Mortarian and Typhus. Cheers.
@@kingmobmor7656 3 Myphitic hit on 3+, so with a Daemon Prince you can reroll 1s. It's nice! I use hellbrutes (With Lascannons) too, but they use to die quickly because their lack of Disgustingly Resilient ability... Try it! And inside Dark Imperium you have a Foetid drone, so make him run!!
I think the myphitic blight haulers are also tremendous, something to be said of 3 mobile cover screens with heavy weapon platforms always hitting on 3's and giving all your troops cover .. never go without 3 of them. I'd put them on same level as the drones they are that good.
I've always found that the 10 man blob of Blightlord Terminators is just too expensive. If they fail their Deepstike they are normally screwed. However, if they get in...
I really like the Deathshroud Terminators. I use them as bodyguards for Mortarion and for my helbrutes. And my top 3 is 1.Foetid bloat-drone 2.Daemon Prince 3.Defiler
Have to agree with your choices there Winters, Deffo top 3 for me! I highly rate Pox walkers, when played as objective grabbers or screening units, so effective! As far as Drones go I love them all, but my favourite has to be the flesh mowers, I have an official one and two that I converted from plague spitter drones. As you play by the rule of 3 and have a surplus of spitter drones it might be worth having your extra ones get a simple conversions so you have 3 of each!
Triple Blight haulers always do work for me. they are great at any range and give you some nice antitank with the +1 to hit for a unit of 3. decent in melee aswell so even if they get locked up in combat they can usually fight their way out. 306 pts for 24wounds and t7 with a 5++ and 5+fnp is a steal. and with them being fast attack I rate them over the plaguebursts anyday
Hellforged Leviathan gives the Death Guard some much needed extra firepower. Truth be told Death Guard just need a bit of love to be competitive, just a bit behind most other factions at the moment. I really want a death guard specific land raider, that can carry seven ( the blessed number) of blightlord terminators. That way I can actually get them around the board. It would be good if it had disgustingly resilient and maybe plague spitters (maybe twin plague spitters would be awesome) and blight launchers.
use deathshrould terminies as u bodyguard unit for Mortie. If you going 2nd place them in cover in range fo Boss man if he gets shot you can transfer wounds to them on 2+ might save big guy from die straight away
i wont play my deathguard with out my nurglings (6) and blight hualers(3). Maybe its just my group but with how slow most of deathguard is you need to be able to contest point with out deepstrikes. But yeah definitely agree with the foul blightspawn and bloatdrones.
Mythic Blight haulers. Get Mythic blight haulers. They are great for their price. Insanely hard to shift. And if you really wanna be nasty you can support them with demons to heal them. Or if you wanna have fun add a Great unclean one with his bell. And bring one back at full wounds each turn on a 4+.
I play as a death guard player and i can say that the deathshroud are still a mistery for me... i imagine that you should use them as a “hit and run” with the teleport strike for tanky stuff, because in a unit of 3 with hateful assault engaged they make 13 attacks S 8 Ap-3 and D D3 wich MAY take down a dreadnaught... and then die miserably later on... so yes... deathshroud are a tough sell
If they make their charge they most likely will kill a dreadnought. 10 out 13 attacks will hit, 7 of the hits will wound. Then AP -3, you have roughly 5 unsaved wounds. Equals 5-15 damage. If you factor in some buffs like dttfe and plague weapons, it is almost a certain kill. For 126 Pts.
I run all of these lol, I should feel bad but I really don't. p.s. My favourite loadout for the Bloat drones is the with the Fleshmower, I have mine designed with lots of whip-like Tyranid-Esq tentacles and having them shoot up the board with my 3 Blight-Haulers catches people off guard an often, literally, chews up a lot of their units very quickly while your slower gun line plays catch-up/nuke it from afar.
Could you use the Deathshroud Termies to help protect Mortarian? Just starting to play around with DG, so do not know if this is viable, but seems the more obvious option for them.
I think the Death Shrouds are only good as protection for Mortarion. Use them as drones so Morty doesn't get picked off as easily if you have to go second.
With the points drop to death shrouds i think they are really a bargain as an dedicated assault unit. Deep strike 3 of them and pray they do make their charge (keep reroll in charge phase for them). For a mere 126 pts you get 13 attacks at str 8 ap-3 d3 dmg with plague weapons. Combine that with buffs like reroll 1s to hit, arch contaminator and dttfe for nice things to happen. The damage potential is CRAZY. For just 126 pts!
plague marines are very good. You can stick 2 units of 5 with 3 special weapons in each (either 3 plasma or 1 plasma and 2 blight launchers). I usually field a pair of those rhinos with a chaos lord with the Helm that boost his aura, a jump pack and Arch-contmainator. It makes avery solid and fast moving gunline. You deploy thyem where you need them, and use the rhinos to block line of sight or cover the flanks with the combi flamers. People are usually to busy dealing with my drones to ever worry about them and it usually spells their doom.
Rhino with 7 dual melee marines, grenade dude character and a plague caster. Jump out do blight bombardment with vets so loads of mortal wounds then charge with marines with blades of putrid and vets again for 3 attacks each mortal wounds on 5+ reroll 1s. Kills anything it gets to for me
GWS really need to give the player going second some temp buff. Anyone going second should get +1 to hit for being in a 'defensive position' for the first round regardless of what the initiative dice/seize says.
Thanks for the video. Just starting my Death Guard army and really useful. Is there any specific load outs for the Blightlords or something you shouldn't bother with?
Add a Defiler, as long as its not a blast weapon vehicles shoot in melee in addition to their melee weapons. So Defilers and dreadnoughts are gonna be gross in 9th edition.
Really enjoy these vids. Maybe do vids for all faction's even if you don't own the army as I'm sure you have played against them all. Top 3 units for all faction's
had cultists at least 30, and i have always 6 deathsroud around mortation, and more rhino for mobility, but with pox and cultist advancing the opponent will be in doubt which he should shoot in priority, and no demons ?
This inspired me to buy the death guard line to convert them to Normal Marines because the poses are some of the the best in 40k but I hate the mutations.
@@jpsoup7920 I'd scrape most of the mutated stuff off or fill it with greenstuff and yeah, I'd essentially end up with some THICC mark III marine sets and Cataphracti armour, but it would be so much different than the others. I'd probably run them as Iron Warriors.
Nice video! I'm currently building my first army, not played warhammer at all but learning through youtube videos at the moment. Currently I've got: Typhus, Lord of Contagion, Noxious Blightbringer, 1 unit of 7 plague marines, 1 unit of 20 poxwalkers, 5 Blightlord Terminators I was thinking a Foul Blightspawn, 3 deathshroud terminators and a plague burst crawler or myphtic blight-hauler? I haven't really thought about it points wise at the moment but liked the idea of a big bulky terminator themed army slowly rolling along. Any advice would be great please :)
I really enjoy this type of video, and loved watching this. I'd happily watch more of your chatting about your armies
me too
Yep!
Ditto
Chad Howland wut?
"Ditto": means, in the same way. Basically, I agree. Good video
WINTERS, i am a deployment zone sub, the interactions between you and sayhipaul = win. it embodies the hobby politely, pauls narative building and your camera action plus comments on the unfolding battle (thanks by the way for the explanation for noobs like me) are amazing, i hope you see this because i really appreciate the channel. also your tutorials are very good!
Cheers buddy
Would agree with your choices Winters - I've been a long time fan of the channel and your End of All Things are always an inspiration!
Bloat Drones are my number 1 favourite - I just wish I could take more of them (i.e. if they came in a squadron of 3 like the MBHs). They act as a perfect bodyguard for flying DPs, and with spitters they're always firing - whether they've advanced or fallen back, and you actively want your opponent to charge them because you practically gain another shooting phase so long as they're within 9" range.
On the Deathshroud, nope you are right - it's the same reason why the Lord of Contagion is naff. Basically they're DG mutilators - they have clout but can never get there to apply it, and so they're worse than useless unless you're bringing Mortarian - in which case they're purely there for guard duty, destined to die in service to their Lord (as it should be). When the stars align however, and you make that charge from deep-strike, they can do a horrific amount of damage - but more often than not you'll whiff the charge, and then your opponent will simply... back away at a brisk walk...
What they need is some stratagem or mechanic to get them in there - perhaps a homing beacon to allow them to deep-strike within 9" of an enemy unit. As it is, Blightlords simply outclass them - you don't need to make that charge, you just need to make sure you can land on a key objective and sit there for the rest of the game.
That said, with PA: War of the Spider a little way around the corner, what are your hopes for the Death Guard?
Lord I love the Blood splattered all over the plaguebursts! Any chance there is a closer picture somewhere? I’m not an elite painter and can use s as good reference for help! Thanks in advance
Agreed, it looks superb doesnt it
Leviathan Dreadnought with your flavour of weapons is great. Big points sink but earns his keep especially having a cheap chaos lord nearby. I run mine with grav flux bombard and butcher cannon array
So I've only just built my Army (The Plagues Kiss) but my 3 are Deathshroud Terms (ive always ravaged enemies with them), Plague Marines with BLight Launchers, & of course the Hell Brute With a Twin Lascannon and a Missile launcher & you use a CP for a strategem to make him attack twice make sure you have a Tallyman to get it back the amount of times these 3 combined with Plague mortars ive wrecked my friends and enemies very fun army AWSOME VIDEO! love watching you play Death Guard! Please continue to wreck our enemies in the name of PAPA NURGLE!
I'm glad to get some advice on building a good force. I was just thinking if I should get more drones and or more elite choices other than what's in dark imperium. Can't say I have any experience myself, what with barely two squads painted up yet, but from the many battle reports I have seen, that noxious blightbringer is ludicrously useful for getting the very choppy army close enough to chop quickly. Even in my few practice games I find he works very well trudging along with melee units. And with low morale units, that toxin is pretty good too.
Got to agree with your list. All are my almost auto includes, but also generally take a Nurgle demon detachment of poxbringer and a nurgling squad or them and Epidemius and some more nurglings, as the poxbringer can heal (fleshy abundance) and buff (+1 strength to nearby ) demon engines and Epidemius' tally works for the demon engines and Morty as well.
As for forge world stuff, Leviathan, Contemptor, and Deredo dreadnoughts are the absolute bomb. Giving accurate long-range firepower the Death Guard sorely lack, and since they have the Hellbrute keyword they can move and don't suffer the penalty.
Lovely breakdown. I’m not sure about unit, but the strat “cloud of flies” has a load of tactical options with it, especially when big blobs of Plaguebearers or pox walkers get locked up in combat.
Great content as ever!
O I forgot about the Blightlord Terminators, I can never get winters setup to work, normally everything can move away fast enough.
I run 5 terminators with 4x combi meltas and blightlauncher, to take out heavy targets as these guys can move, advance and shoot each turn, so the slow 4inch movement turns to 5 to 7 inches which means they keep up with most units.
Also landing a chaos lord with them for the re rolls helps.
The biggest problem I have with DG is that they want access to Dark Hereticus discipline SO BADLY. Prescience and Warptime are such good spells but you have to splash a Spearhead or something to grab a jump pack sorcerer to sling Morty up the field. It works, but I'm worried that in 9th it's going to be restrictive.
The Plagueburst Crawlers are amazing, better than the Drones for about the same cost. I agree wholeheartedly with your recommendation of the Foul Blightspawn. They are by far the best character the DG get. I have had one kill a Tau Barracuda in one turn.
Deathshoud: I deepstrike them. If Morty is alive turn 2 (usually is), then they either drop in ahead of him to absorb wounds OR If Morty is a lost cause, then they're board control in the enemy deployment zone for whatever previously moved up to take the Primarch out. I also use them as an anvil, by pinchering my opponent w deep striking Blight lords. The above combo has been consistently frustrating for my opponents & leaves the rest of my army to fulfill multiple of roles generally uncontested.
Typhus dropping in with deathshroud, with typhus’s spells, I walked them through a line of imp guard tanks it was amazing
Perhaps if you used Warptime on the Deathshroud Terminators? Would mean using a small detachment of non Death Guard Chaos Space Marines, but I think that could work. Dont have them myself sadly, the models are glorious but the rules are lacking a bit
I'd put good old fashioned plague marines in the number 2 slot. A squad of 7 with 3 plasma guns seems to put the fear of god into my opponents. Plus they're a T5 troop choice with disgustingly resilient. Other than that I think your spot on.
Love my blightlord terminators. I run a squad of 7 with 5 combi meltas and a flail.
Leviathan w/ dual butcher cannons is incredibly brutal. Deredeos are also solid, but I prefer the Leviathan due to the fact it's T8.
The losers of the Death Guard:
3) Plague Surgeon
2) Tallyman
1) Biologus Putrifier
Your list was pretty spot-on, Blightlords rarely fail me and drones are worth it for their points.
Winters! Deredeo dreadnoughts! BS 2+ even when moving, ignores line of sight with the greater havoc launcher, defense against flyers, and the butcher cannon is just brutal. A great weapon platform that lays down covering fire for your slow and purposeful advance.
I've got a total of one games in so no one should pay attention to me, but i was able to deep strike them in the back at turn 3 and they closed in to lock up some ad mech robos that tore me up. Did absolute work when I paired them with Lord Felthius.
Surprised you didn't mention the Plagueburst Crawler
Blight haulers always do work. They give cover to my plague marines moving to objectives while shooting well enough to cripple tanks and can tie up things in close combat with their -1 to hit in melee rule while being hard to put down to begin with. Also deathshrouds are just distractions I drop near the enemy with typhus.
Oh cast miasma of pestilence on them watch the opponent have an aneurysm
I had extreme success early edition with deathshroud terminators. The meta was a little less evolved and deepstrike alpha was still the go to. My success was a unit ran with typhus as a goon squad to jump on vehicle and character targets after holes were made. I had deathshroud with typhus drop knights on the regular and crack vehicles wide open and the hand flamers were decent but not great at helping them get through low toughness screens.
I haven't run them in a while, maybe I'll try again and see how it holds up.
Fluff-wise, I love beasts of Nurgle, they just want hugs!
YMMV
Deathshroud Bodyguards are a key unit in my chaos soup threat overload list but I'm not sure if they'd work just sprinkled in an all Deathguard or mainly Deathguard force. The reason they work in my list is I have them protecting Mortarion aka Morty on the first turn from big stuff like Las Cannons and Volcano Cannons etc by either being near Morty but out of sight turn 1 or using the Cloud of Flies strat to make them un-targetable while Morty and other big threats in my list are slightly closer. When I move Morty I advance the Deathshroud which with Morty's large base and the 3" aura ability keeps him covered in case a.) Warptime fails or b.) Warptime is used on something else (one of my Disco Lords). All in all it leaves my opponent with targeting priority conundrums a.) Shoot Morty who is positioned to reduce the number of big guns that can target him and able to pass off any that do connect to the Deathshroud, b.) Shoot at my only visible Disco Lord who is at minimum -3 to hit even going second c.) shoot at my Double Thermal cannon Dread-blade Knight way at the back of my deployment zone that can rotate Ion Shields. If you can give your Morty a little cover from enemy artillery the Deathshroud can absorb a surprising amount of damage that he would otherwise need to soak. If they don't shoot at him at all because of the potential to whiff with these barriers in place you keep your Morty fresh AND get some nice mid field bruisers/backfield counter charge for later in the game.
My list is similar to that of Justin Curtis featured on Art of War podcast episode 6.1 except mine is largely Alpha Legion with Nurgle marks on Discos and Mind Veil on my main Blender Disco Lord with Clandestine warlord trait. (We Are Alpharius).
YMMV
TL:DR Use the Deathshrouds to give Mortarion a turn of protection and their ROI is very good because you know what that monster does if he gets a half a chance.
Something that really annoys me is the tallyman's CP regain is you have to get a 7 exactly on 2 dice (so 1/6 chance) and you get all your CP refunded for the strat. The problem is 2 out of the 14 stats are more than one CP (excluding 2 relics because can't regain those) and both of them suck so we're just stuck with a worse CP trait, it doesn't even work on insane bravery and counter offensive. Sorry for my small rant, it's just frustrates me that it's worse for the sake of it being the number 7.
You're aware that statistically there are more chances for a 7 to show up on 2 dice than any other number, right?
If you run 6 Deathshroud to cover Mortarion (if you go second) you can run the survivors up in a rhino.
I’ve seen people use the brothers grim (I think its winters himself that does) but using 2 units of Deathshroud to box someone in can work better via deep strike, The only downside is there speed to getting to locations which can be there downfall.
I have 6 bloat drones but mainly run 2/3 heavy blight launchers either by castling with 2 plague crawlers and a chaos lord with arch contaminator ( re rolls off one & and all failed plague weapon damage rolls get a re roll)
Or I run 3 heavy blight launchers with a daemon Prince with arch contaminator as he can keep up and then release his charge once the time is right (my enemies fear this one with 3 drones)
I also do the same sort of thing with 3 blight haulers backed up with chaos lord for re rolls and which allows the prince to get close enough.
I no longer run plague marines, I use cultists 3 to 4 units or I bring in the nurglings in in groups of 4 to take strategic points in first round with Epidemius and/or 1or2 Poxbringers to heal my daemon units like blightlaunchers. Two Poxbringers casting fleshy abundance will give a unit 2 x D3 health back.
I only bring hellbrutes with twin Lascannon and castle when fighting Tua
But the Hellforged version with twin butcher cannons and the fire twice stratagem is a beast but I don’t have this yet.
Anyone use these stratagems?
I think if you incorporate swarm of flies and the death shroud terminators as well as deep striking both terminators in two directions you might get more use from the sythe’s also great video
So I'm still building up a DG army, but I love all the units you cover. I'm trying to think of a way to make Mortarion work and be tankier when you get stuck going second... what about deploying the Deathshrouds alongside Morty to take the hits for him when he eats the alpha-strike?
Add Helbrutes. I know they are not the best. But they are such a sick model and if you bring 2 those las cannons or missiles can put in work at long range.
Foul blightspawn are brilliant. Every time I’ve used one it’s destroyed a vehicle in one turn. The big downside is, if your opponent knows what they are capable of they die very quickly
Looks good love your channel I run a small death Gaurd kill team
The only thing I absolutely hate about death guard is storing them. Im too broke to buy a big plastice container, so I just keep them in a suitcase filled with styrafome, but all their litlle spikes get caught in the stuff and break off
I have to vouch for PBC’s, I always run three and I’ve never regretted it, they’re cheap with good indirect fire and are tough as granite with t8, 12 wounds 5+ invuln and DR. Also, I always take along a Leviathan dread with dual butchers, the DG ability to move and shoot heavy weapons without penalty make an already great unit even better. With all of those, that’s a whopping 50 t8 wounds to boot. And if you have some Bloat Drones as well, your opponent is going to have to seriously work to chew through all of that.
What units are worthless to a death guard army?
Almost all of them.
-my friend, a death guard player
He just sucks
Pox walkers definitely just burn them they are as useless as a single chaos cultist is against a warlord titan
Sly Marbo plague burst crawlers and blightlord terminators are really good
Cloudian~ yea
Your friend is the worthless unit.
I like to deep strike in the deathshroud with a lord of contagion. 1 lord with 2 units of 3 behind the enemy or as close to something I want taken out as I can get. Even if they dont do alot they serve as a great distraction that your opponent has to deal with immediately. Usually they will be there for a couple of turns.
I use Deathshroud termies to deploy next to morty and soak up dmg for him thanks to their Silent Bodyguard ability - if you know your going second (thanks to new missions and new ITC) you taking 3-5 of these guys can be the difference between Morty being tabled turn one - since they intercept the hit on 2+ you get to make the 4+/5++ on the Termies vs on Morty. At worse they die but at least that leaves Morty alone to do his thing
ran Tri-Lobe Blight -Haulers tonight and they were amazing.
I personally love deathshroud terminators i deepstrike them turn 2 or 3 with a lord of contagion once ive cleaned out some screening or chaff units, my deathguard is a battalion to assist 3 big chaos knights. The enemy usually dont bother with the little grim reapers because theres bigger things to deal with. Hope this helps, thanks for the great content :)
I haven't know what to do with myself without Winters videos, lol...
Plagueburst Crawlers with plaguespitters, Bloatdrones and Daemon Princes. Agree on Deathshroud, if they fail their charge from deep strike they will do nothing, only good for protecting Mortarion turn 1. My hope is they get a redeploy stratagem where they can teleport to protect characters, and also some sort of bonus to charging from deep strike, and they should be more resilient.
You need more Myphitic Haulers! Dreadnought equivalent, take 3 in a unit and can perform well as both anti tank and anti infantry! The Swiss army knife of my Death Guard!
They have a kitchen sink of abilities and are cheap. Really nice little unit.
Fleshmower drones are down to 116, very awesome distraction carnifex, also 3 blight haulers can go straight at the enemy and shoot along the way and tie up things I'm melee with 12 attacks on the charge, minus 1 to being hit in melee, 306 points for 24 wounds 3+/5++/5+++ is awesome. I take poxes for backline objectives, 3 haulers with a dp to dive straight in, 2 fleshmower drones, 3 spitter pbc's and a dp with arch.c as a 2nd strike force and 10 blight Lord's always bc they're absurd, give it a shot!!
More Blighthaulers! You ar least want one unit of 3, I run 6 models. The range is insane, movement is choice, they offer a ton of buffs versatility and they don't die.
I've been thinking about getting some Deathshroud but for me their whole purpose would be keep Typhus alive so I don't lose my PW buff. I think it's unrealistic to expect them to do more than that
No.thesecate so overpriced for 2 piddly ranged shots
It is my main army, regardless of whether it is more or less competitive. 9 plague marines with a foul blightspawn on a rhino, 3 myphitic blight-haulers down the center with their poxwalkers + Typhus and Mortarion flying, make the opponent hesitate where to shoot. And for dessert, Blightlord Terminators with a Lord of Contagion. Cheers!
Been planning to use these tactics in a game. Just got back into 40k before christmas (Dark Imperium so got Marines and Death Guard) but due to Nurgles influence I haven't had chance to really test hoe effective it is. Can you give me any pointers or experience in using the tank line down the centre and deep striking terminators? I have a couple of demon princes and a hellbrute instead of Mortarian and Typhus. Cheers.
@@kingmobmor7656 3 Myphitic hit on 3+, so with a Daemon Prince you can reroll 1s. It's nice! I use hellbrutes (With Lascannons) too, but they use to die quickly because their lack of Disgustingly Resilient ability... Try it! And inside Dark Imperium you have a Foetid drone, so make him run!!
@@darkgoon2237 Thanks, I will do.
I think the myphitic blight haulers are also tremendous, something to be said of 3 mobile cover screens with heavy weapon platforms always hitting on 3's and giving all your troops cover .. never go without 3 of them. I'd put them on same level as the drones they are that good.
@@geekdave01 They do if there are 3 in the unit.
Not to mention that they're at the "Easy-To-Build" price point, making them a *cheap* include as well... at least by GW standards :/
I've always found that the 10 man blob of Blightlord Terminators is just too expensive.
If they fail their Deepstike they are normally screwed.
However, if they get in...
I really like the Deathshroud Terminators. I use them as bodyguards for Mortarion and for my helbrutes. And my top 3 is
1.Foetid bloat-drone
2.Daemon Prince
3.Defiler
Have you considered getting some nurgle daemons? The horticulius slimux + beasts of nurgle is a pretty fun combo
Could you make the 13th in a top 5 format? Or at least extend the honourable mention list please :)? Looking forward to this one
Have to agree with your choices there Winters, Deffo top 3 for me!
I highly rate Pox walkers, when played as objective grabbers or screening units, so effective!
As far as Drones go I love them all, but my favourite has to be the flesh mowers, I have an official one and two that I converted from plague spitter drones. As you play by the rule of 3 and have a surplus of spitter drones it might be worth having your extra ones get a simple conversions so you have 3 of each!
For a forgeworld addition Necrosius the undying is great addison.
More of that please! It's an excellent idea!
Triple Blight haulers always do work for me. they are great at any range and give you some nice antitank with the +1 to hit for a unit of 3. decent in melee aswell so even if they get locked up in combat they can usually fight their way out. 306 pts for 24wounds and t7 with a 5++ and 5+fnp is a steal. and with them being fast attack I rate them over the plaguebursts anyday
if you want major antitank bs then bring a unit of 10 blightlords wiith 2 flails for melee and 8 combi meltas
Hellforged Leviathan gives the Death Guard some much needed extra firepower. Truth be told Death Guard just need a bit of love to be competitive, just a bit behind most other factions at the moment. I really want a death guard specific land raider, that can carry seven ( the blessed number) of blightlord terminators. That way I can actually get them around the board. It would be good if it had disgustingly resilient and maybe plague spitters (maybe twin plague spitters would be awesome) and blight launchers.
use deathshrould terminies as u bodyguard unit for Mortie. If you going 2nd place them in cover in range fo Boss man if he gets shot you can transfer wounds to them on 2+
might save big guy from die straight away
i wont play my deathguard with out my nurglings (6) and blight hualers(3). Maybe its just my group but with how slow most of deathguard is you need to be able to contest point with out deepstrikes. But yeah definitely agree with the foul blightspawn and bloatdrones.
Papa Nurgle loves you
I'm torn between Morty and Rotigus, I know Morty's better for Death Guard but I love the Great unclean one
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I deepstrike with deathshroud or rush them up the board in a land raider or stormship.
I saw a video ages ago that explained the kit used for the Daemon Prince kitbash. Anyone remember the details?
I would love to have as much blightlords as you. You should ad more mythitic blighthaulers and you should consider a leviathan dreadnought
Why no Land Raiders of Leviathan Dreadnoughts? The latter has a pretty brutal synergy with DG IIRC
a converted land raider infernus would be beautiful.
and since he mostly plays narrative it wont be a problem rules wise.
Mythic Blight haulers. Get Mythic blight haulers. They are great for their price. Insanely hard to shift. And if you really wanna be nasty you can support them with demons to heal them. Or if you wanna have fun add a Great unclean one with his bell. And bring one back at full wounds each turn on a 4+.
Deathshroud termies. I use them to shield morty if i go second
I play as a death guard player and i can say that the deathshroud are still a mistery for me... i imagine that you should use them as a “hit and run” with the teleport strike for tanky stuff, because in a unit of 3 with hateful assault engaged they make 13 attacks S 8 Ap-3 and D D3 wich MAY take down a dreadnaught... and then die miserably later on... so yes... deathshroud are a tough sell
If they make their charge they most likely will kill a dreadnought. 10 out 13 attacks will hit, 7 of the hits will wound. Then AP -3, you have roughly 5 unsaved wounds. Equals 5-15 damage. If you factor in some buffs like dttfe and plague weapons, it is almost a certain kill. For 126 Pts.
I run all of these lol, I should feel bad but I really don't.
p.s. My favourite loadout for the Bloat drones is the with the Fleshmower, I have mine designed with lots of whip-like Tyranid-Esq tentacles and having them shoot up the board with my 3 Blight-Haulers catches people off guard an often, literally, chews up a lot of their units very quickly while your slower gun line plays catch-up/nuke it from afar.
Could you use the Deathshroud Termies to help protect Mortarian? Just starting to play around with DG, so do not know if this is viable, but seems the more obvious option for them.
>hits like a cow dropped from a skyscraper
Winters, you have such a way with words.
Could you pls do your goldy boys!!!!. Would love to compare to my choices :)
Next can you do Necrons?
I think the Death Shrouds are only good as protection for Mortarion. Use them as drones so Morty doesn't get picked off as easily if you have to go second.
With the points drop to death shrouds i think they are really a bargain as an dedicated assault unit. Deep strike 3 of them and pray they do make their charge (keep reroll in charge phase for them). For a mere 126 pts you get 13 attacks at str 8 ap-3 d3 dmg with plague weapons. Combine that with buffs like reroll 1s to hit, arch contaminator and dttfe for nice things to happen. The damage potential is CRAZY. For just 126 pts!
plague marines are very good. You can stick 2 units of 5 with 3 special weapons in each (either 3 plasma or 1 plasma and 2 blight launchers). I usually field a pair of those rhinos with a chaos lord with the Helm that boost his aura, a jump pack and Arch-contmainator. It makes avery solid and fast moving gunline. You deploy thyem where you need them, and use the rhinos to block line of sight or cover the flanks with the combi flamers.
People are usually to busy dealing with my drones to ever worry about them and it usually spells their doom.
Rhino with 7 dual melee marines, grenade dude character and a plague caster. Jump out do blight bombardment with vets so loads of mortal wounds then charge with marines with blades of putrid and vets again for 3 attacks each mortal wounds on 5+ reroll 1s. Kills anything it gets to for me
Mortarion, Mortarion, and Mortarion. Thanks for watching.
Plagueburst Crawler, Plagueburst Crawler, Plagueburst Crawler. FTFY
spotted the guy who knows nothing about Deathguard.
GWS really need to give the player going second some temp buff. Anyone going second should get +1 to hit for being in a 'defensive position' for the first round regardless of what the initiative dice/seize says.
Really enjoying these types of videos, could you possibly make one of these on Orks?
Death Shroud need a land raider for sure the tallyman and a foul blight spawn in there as well is nasty
You should add some nurgle daemons for some fast melee units.
Thanks for the video. Just starting my Death Guard army and really useful. Is there any specific load outs for the Blightlords or something you shouldn't bother with?
But what about Grotty?
Add a Defiler, as long as its not a blast weapon vehicles shoot in melee in addition to their melee weapons. So Defilers and dreadnoughts are gonna be gross in 9th edition.
I bet you're excited now that Foul Blightspawn **actually give 'Strike First' within 7"** - holy cow is he good now, literally our best unit atm
autoincludes - 3 myphitic blighthaulers, 2 chaos landraiders, 1 plagueburst crawler.
Last time I was this early Nurgle's Garden was just a pack of Orchids from Costco
Please do the 13th winters please
Really enjoy these vids. Maybe do vids for all faction's even if you don't own the army as I'm sure you have played against them all. Top 3 units for all faction's
Are we getting an admech top 3? Looking at building an army after watching yours so many goddamn times haha
had cultists at least 30, and i have always 6 deathsroud around mortation, and more rhino for mobility, but with pox and cultist advancing the opponent will be in doubt which he should shoot in priority, and no demons ?
Interesting! Thanks for your opinion!
Please do more of these ♥️
Cheers for the Vid mate. Looking forward to post lockdown gaming! I am building a Death Guard army too. What are your thoughts on Nurgle inclusion?
Hey winters, will you be doing this top 3 for every race you play. *cough* do orks next *cough cough*
Do space Marines also I love your vids keep it up
You inspired me to carry on my deathguard list so thanks
This inspired me to buy the death guard line to convert them to Normal Marines because the poses are some of the the best in 40k but I hate the mutations.
Rufio DIES i understand that because they have amazing sculpts also I can only see you able to convert old mark four marines
@@jpsoup7920 I'd scrape most of the mutated stuff off or fill it with greenstuff and yeah, I'd essentially end up with some THICC mark III marine sets and Cataphracti armour, but it would be so much different than the others. I'd probably run them as Iron Warriors.
My top 3:
plague burst crawler
Poxwalkers
Demon prince with talons.
holy smack Winters, you have a lot of Bloat Drones
My brother who has deathguard has loads they come in any box you buy for them
do a top 10 next for death guard please :)
Hey Winters could you do a Top 3 Blood Angels army?
Nice video! I'm currently building my first army, not played warhammer at all but learning through youtube videos at the moment. Currently I've got:
Typhus,
Lord of Contagion,
Noxious Blightbringer,
1 unit of 7 plague marines,
1 unit of 20 poxwalkers,
5 Blightlord Terminators
I was thinking a Foul Blightspawn, 3 deathshroud terminators and a plague burst crawler or myphtic blight-hauler?
I haven't really thought about it points wise at the moment but liked the idea of a big bulky terminator themed army slowly rolling along. Any advice would be great please :)
deathshroud with typhus, deep striked behind the enemy , specially orks and imperial guard..than its a blood bath !!
dont deathshroud act as shields for morty, they have some rule where they can take his dammage?
Wh3n the opponent shoots at Morty and hits you can choose to pass it on to them but you still have 5o wound and make your save
@@Incineratorking so its 15 more wounds for morty no?
Can't go wrong with a myphitic blight-hauler. 👌