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Towa The Chair Salesperson (Aqua, Suisei & Towa / Hololive) [Eng Sub]
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- Опубліковано 19 сер 2024
- Hoshimachi Suisei, Minato Aqua and Tokoyami Towa talk about the devices Suisei bought to play in V-saikyou, but it quickly becomes a gaming chair dissing session...
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This makes me remember that stream when someone suggested Towa a Herman Miller chair but she then said it was expensive. A barrage of superchats followed after that LMAO
And she bought it apparently.
That's probably why Towa have it now :v
Yeah, Herman Millers are expensive, but if your job involves sitting in that chair almost all of the time, it's a good investment.
Honestly paying good money for a good chair is a life-saver... (those "gaming chairs" are such a scam.)
I mean you can find a better office chair for less, I'm not saying herman millers are bad, but you mostly pay for the brand rather than the functionality of it.
@@karl5064 Doing reserach for chairs is very time consuming if you do want to try getting a chair that works for you for less. Research can only do so much too so unless you are some chair reviewer or some store that will literally let you use them as a cafe for days, so going for some brand that is known to make very good ergonomic chairs that last 20+ years is your only real option. For people who do need a good chair, this is what they have to do but also there are many people who can just use cheaper chairs and not have any problems whatsoever (not Suisei apparently). Bigger brands can also have group buys so that's one way to get those chairs for cheaper.
@@karl5064 HM chairs are known to be expensive but people accept that because it truly is worth the money. They are reputable for that.
@@karl5064 Its true that you don't necessary need the most expensive herman miller, but a decently good office chair do cost 400+ and the price only goes up for more adjustability and build quality. and I am speaking from experience working in furniture selling company as well as being a digital artist that have to sit for quite some long time. Really recommend people investing in a good quality chair instead of getting all kinds of back / shoulder pain from a poorly made one.
I think Towa got her chair last year, people sent a lot of Super Chats and she said she would spend it on the best chair possible, so with chat's help she settle with a Herman Miller - which is probably the best commercial brand.
Aqua desperately reigning in Towa, she doesn't want to crash another website and get scolded by management again www
So Aqua has the leash now? 🤣
@JujuCamille ジュジュカミル That's not how it works, and it's not respectful to imply a certain talent is or was about to "cost" Cover hundreds of thousands of dollars, that's bordering on pushing anti rrats. The phrasing is improper imo.
If a brand that would not sponsor vtubers in the first place on their own, suddenly hear about them thanks to a brief livestream mentions, then management can reach these companies, show them the potential and positive initial reception, and get a promo deal rolling (with a limited edition with some holo stuff printed on it for example).
It even worked with games that were more likely to sign a deal (than a B2B ergonomic chair company): after some talents mentioned certain games on stream or on twitter, the devs got a sudden spike of interest for their games, looked up these "vtubers" and eventually signed sponsored streams with them.
The issue is not with mentioning products "for free", it's about the competition: if Hololive talents speak highly of a certain product, then their competitors are less likely to sign a deal for sponsorship with them, since the core fans will immediately compare it with the previously-praised one, and some viewers will then ask the talents on which one they prefer, and it will be difficult for the talents to convince their audience that the sponsored one is worth their attention too.
For example, if Towa speaks regularly about how great are the Herman Millers, worth every penny, etc - then there's less incentive for a regular gaming chair company to hire her: she won't be able to easily convince her audience that $150 is enough for a chair, when she's seating in her $1500 HM Aeron.
But if a manufacturer starts going with the "ergonomic chair but affordable" at $500-$700, and they're confident in their products, they might give it a shot: if Towa's viewers now care about their chair, but obviously won't put $1.5k for it, then Towa might have created an opportunity for such sponsorship.
@JujuCamille ジュジュカミル Not always a negative thing, for products with no direct current competitors, like tons of niche video games, casual mentions actually help getting more deals, more money.
As for praising HM, it's far from a significant issue, as long as she doesn't diss the regular "gaming chairs" as being back-breaking: since the Aerons are priced at $1.5k, they don't really compete with the $200-$300 ones.
It's like a youtube channel about cars, with them talking about their Porsche or Lambo: it won't stop sponsorships by the mass manufacturers who want to reach their large audience.
Still, the general policy is to not mention brands to avoid any unplanned missteps, to only have "calculated" name drops.
@@TubeofDestiny True, Miller does compete at a different price point and in terms of audience for the most part. Although since Miller is quite popular with offices it isn't hard to find them being liquidated at gaming chair prices.
@@TubeofDestiny i just want to ask why they like oh no, because at first towa said the brand they like okey, but once she start specifically said the product they like oh no, thanks for the explanation
Herman Miller is actually a sponsor for V-Saikyo (along with Razer and a few other companies)
Lol I checked the site and there it is under sponsors. Maybe Suichan can get a chair if they win 😁
@@Eternith well they get a high end PC as prize
I had to look up the chair and that brand is so high end that they have a dedicated price book for every customizable option
it's not time to flex your pc but your chair, "bro my chair is twice the price my pc"
Afaik, Herman Miller is basically *the* top end for office chairs. If you want "the best", that's the brand you buy.
Pretty much every big company uses herman miller chairs if they value their workers.
You can buy certified used ones for like a 1/3 of the price and it'd still be very nice
Herman Millers are essentially "buy it for life": they're pretty expensive, but you'll probably only ever need to buy one.
On the other end of the spectrum, you've got those "gaming chairs" that are all manufactured in the same few factories and wildly varying prices depending on whose name is slapped on it.
As an owner of a steelcase chair and does hours of work sitting, your back will thank you for investing in an ergonomic chair.
i wish i could able to find second-hand one in my country... i can't spend buying new one since im not earning that much yet Sadge
@@nopale6565 I was lucky to get a pretty good condition 2nd hand one at a reseller marketplace online in my country for a good price.
Otherwise, you can just practice good habits like stepping away from your desk and move around after sitting for hours
@@nopale6565 I know this might sounds weird, but try a refurbished truck driver chair. They're designed to withstand heavy vibrations and for sitting long time (and sometimes sleeping too). Still far better than a 'gaming' chair.
@@nietzchan ok, i might put that on consideration. Thanks!
maybe also look into doing ab + lower back workouts (and the rest of your body), that also seems to be the second half of the equation of keeping your back in good shape
If you look up 'towa chair fund' clip youll realize that this moment has aged very well.
It was just last year that she is struggling with her channel and now here we are.
It feels good and nostalgic at the same time.
LOL I was there for that!! It's great when money is very well spent!!! ^_^
I remember that as well, feel great to see her channel grown
I guess those superchats really did go to the chair and thanks to those who sends.
I bought a Herman Miller over Black Friday because the last 2 or 3 gaming chairs I had kept breaking and it was making my back hurt. I work a tech job so I'm in that chair all day. It's been a great investment so far. Quality is great and no more back pain.
I messed around with some ‘gaming’ chairs under the false belief that they were for long gaming sessions.
After working for a while, my boss introduced me to the world of well built office chairs.
Never went back to those over priced back breakers.
gaming chairs have essentially the same design as racecar seats. I'm sure they're of much lower quality as well and race car seats are not designed to be sat in day after day after day for 8+ hours. It just doesn't make sense to use that same design. They look kinda cool I guess!
A good chair is definitely worth the investment when you're sitting for hours every day! Your back will thank you for it.
I think its adorable that Suisei and Aqua's feet can't touch the ground when they're sitting down.
cute for others, annoying to have.
High end task chairs are literally designed for sitting in front of a computer for 8+ hours a day, totally worth the money if that is what you do for a living. And they all should have slidable seats so the backrest can be set closer to the front for smaller people.
All high-end ergo chairs has slidable seats
Even mid-tier that I using also have it, it just not freely adjusting around likes high-end one but enough for sitting on it for 8+ hours
there are plenty of decent cheap ones that provide a good amount of support and adjustability.
no chair is going to be comfy at 8+ plus, that's just how our body works, you should be stretching/walking every 45mins to 1hr.
you are wasting money if you think you can just buy an HM and thinking that that's good enough.
Great chairs are actually worth the price - really mitigates the lower back issues and they are really built to last a long time. I'd recommend trying them before buying. I use a steelcase gesture and it has made a world of difference. Herman miller aerons are great as well.
Isn't that the chair that Towa buy after getting tons of supetchat telling her to buy it ?
yeah and its been used for good thing.(* inned mind* i hope i was that chair) orz
Yes it is, she get all that money from listeners after she mentioned chair and she really wanted to spend it where it was supposed to go and for what purpose listeners where sending money to her. So she decided to buy a Herman chair as it was mentioned on stream. It was really nice from listeners to support her this way.
Friend: Hey! See I have gaming chair!
Me: Wow! Well, I only have an office chair
The office chair: *Herman Millers*
I already knew the problem the moment she said 'gaming' chair. Most 'gaming' chairs are absolute garbage. All looks, zero ergonomic comforts.
I've been singing this tune for 2 years now. Thank God someone in Hololive knows what an actually good chair is like
Towa: "Herman Miller, give me a sponsorship!"
Towa will eventually be like Suisei, who is known to shill
By the way, Herman Miller is one of the sponsor for vsaikyou
So yeah they might be watching
Hope you get sponsorship towa-sama
really? you sure. thats mean waow
@@TakoVirus yeah, this season vsaikyou is sponsored by razer, zowie and herman miller among others
Ah yes, Herman Miller Aeron, my office bought them in large qty pre-pandemic....and then we worked from home after...lol
My company also in similar position... But they let us borrow the chair home.
Gdi I will miss this chair when i have to return to office
@@Kyrio1911 They actually held an employee lottery to let people buy some surplus chairs but i didn't end up winning the lottery...lol
Switched to a good ergo chair and I haven't seen my PT in like 4 years. If you're work involves sitting down a lot, your first upgrade should always be the chair.
As someone whose back problems got so bad I could barely sit at my desk for more than 30min without being in excruciating pain partly because of my chair, I highly recommend everyone, if you can, buy a high end chair from a brand like Herman Miller or Steelcase, get a footrest if applicable, fix your posture, and adjust your recline angle occasionally. Your back will thank you, especially if you spend long hours at your desk. Do your research and weigh the benefits of every chair. I was originally going to buy a HM Aeron, but the Aeron doesn't have adjustable seat depth so I went with the Steelcase Leap V2. HM Embody seems great too. They're not just a gimmick for rich people. Lots of people buy these chairs used or refurbished for a fraction of the retail price (I bought refurbished with added seat foam and a 12 year warranty, $570).
Angelic recommendation
2:55 This. This part is actually important for asians, since people do make things of various sizes and standards - which is usually too large for me.
I didn't notice this simple part was causing back stresses until very much later, so sitting on the chair before buying it is definitely important, even if the statistics looks right.
Herman Miller's chairs are simply top-notch, especially the one with the headrest. I don't have a Herman Miller yet, still in my wishlist, but I do have a cheap ergonomic chair, with, of course, a headrest, upgraded after a long time of using a wood chair, really love the caress of it on my ass, my back and my neck
in a decade or so people are going to look back at gaming chairs and laugh their heads off at this terrible fad. Well maybe not laugh their heads off because they'll have serious issues from the ridiculously bad ergonomics gaming chairs promote but it's been crazy seeing that trend take off.
I used to use a used the typical CEO chair. You know the big leather ones.
Got it for hella cheap cause its used.
Unbelievably comfortable.
Yeah until summer hits.
@@SilverMystes1 why do you think i dont use it anymore?
Just kidding the damn thing cracked and somehow rats get in it and breed in just a week
@@yusufbahniar9723 lol I did not expect this at all tbh.
@@SilverMystes1 i didnt expect to sit on a bunch of rat babies either
@@yusufbahniar9723 But were the rat babies ergonomic?
i tried to sit on a "gaming chair" and after an hour my back is already telling me to get off of it
Towa know's what's up. A lot of gaming chairs are actually terrible in terms of adjustability and ergonomics. In hot weather, the leather is pretty shit unless you sit in an air conditioned place 24-7. Mesh is so much better. You could do better than most gaming chairs by just hopping over to an Ikea.
I'll just say this, but most gaming chairs aren't good for gaming for a long time 😂 As ergonomic gamers like to say, "It's a fucking car Seat"
Gotta say she has good taste in chairs. Far better than those “gamer” chairs.
Towa's kenzoku actually made the recommendation then SC the money for it.
Good to see Towa chair fund back then have positive result
That interaction at the beginning just sounded like an ad-read lmao
To be honest, i like those Office Type Chairs more than Gaming Chairs. Its much more comfortable than the common Gaming chairs.
Gaming chair is the biggest scam in the gaming industry. 99% of them are made using the same shitty design and are meant to be a quick cash grab. There is like ONE brand that actually cares about the quality of their gaming chair (I think they're called secret lab). Regardless, save yourself the trouble and just buy a steelcase Leap chair.
I would donate the entire cost of an Aeron to Korone if I could convince her to buy one.
@@vdinh143 so only secretlab decent as gaming chair?
Best chair is office chair (they designed for long session sitting)
Best mouse is gaming mouse (they have the best sensor and switches, pick the most suitable for your preferences!)
Best headsets is audiophile headsets (cheap one also available!)
Best keyboard is any good keyboard that support nkro (mostly mechanical).
pechanko keyboard is best for gold rank to plat it seem also to follow high diamond rank and master rank in torney... joke aside yabee i feel like someone watching me with axe in hand
Wow.. HM chairs are rhe bomb.. Easily 2 to 3 times the price of any gamin chair. Its actahlly good for you rather than just shiny
Best chair my ass has ever sat on. Towa knows her chairs. No shitty race car gaming chair.
I own a Herman Miller and it's the best chair I've had. Sitting in it for 16+ hours which is really bad but I got no pains anywhere.
"gaming" chairs are not chairs, they're fricking tormenting devices.
It's true about the depth of the seat on those, put my sister in it, she was like a doll, she's like 150cm tall.
You're much better off by getting a car seat. One of my net cafés had every pc paired with a car seat. Very nice.
Agree with good ergonomic office chair > gaming chair, most gaming chair is just rebrand of generic chair anyway except the high end one which is expensive. And most of it had useless gimmick feature. I had lower back pain from using bad chair all day, after invest good office chair its disappear.
Upfront costs for proper ergonomic furniture is a definite hard pill to swallow but the other way to look at it is: $1000 for a nice chair today? Or a lifetime of back pain, general misery, possible chiropractor and physical therapy costs later. That and repetitive strain injuries (RSI) isnt something to take lightly. Carpal really sucks. Get a good split keyboard while you're at it.
big mousepad is really helpfull specially when you're an arm player or someone who uses his arm more than his wrist to move the mouse, and it really adds up to the immersion.
man i really want to buy a good chair, the chair ive been only using is a stool chair ; ;
1:47 - pechanko no yatsu lol, Suichan feel that on a personal level.
Herman Miller should see this lol
gaming chair is basically nft of chair
2:56 cute
Herman Miller is such a flex, but you can used on office busters
I hope one day I'm rich enough to afford one of those chairs, right now I just put my screen on my bed and play while sitting or lying there cuz I broke my second-hand office chair
It is super comfy but my posture is pretty bad and my back might hurt
Yeah, I did once thoguht about getting a gaming chair, but after a bit of research, I learned that it is better to go for a good office chair. I am currently deciding between the Steelcase Gesture and Haworth Fern; the Herman Miller Embody was on my list, but they increased their prices earlier in the year so I feel like one of the other two would be more ideal.
If you can’t afford a good chair, hit the gym/calisthenics. Deadlifts, squats, etc. I have a shit chair and also used to play piano (4-6h a day before exams), so staying active definitely helped mitigate pain.
Got a Herman Miller embody and never looked back
Damn. A Herman Miller? Those are quality expensive chairs.
a good chair is so important after gaming for years and going through tons of chairs a herman miller or a steelcase is ideal but for somebody without as much money the hyken mesh task chair from staples is like 230 and its better than any of those gaming chairs that break after 1 year not as good as a 1k+ chair but still very good for the money if anyone is in the market looking for one i would definitely recommend
>be me
>what mousepad? I use the table
This chair started from towa sama complained abt her chair to watame😂😂
I like the plastic chair Dante, it comforts me
this is why my gaming chair is a reclining single sofa with foot rest. the downside is that i tend to fall asleep even in the midst of fps matches because it is too comfy w i'm really sorry to those i get to paired up with when i suddenly doze off!
While an ergonomic chair is certainly better than gimmick gaming chairs, the best thing you can do for your back and other parts is unironically get into the gym and lift weights.
A mix of back squats, bent-over barbell rows, and deadlifts throughout the week will strengthen the lower back muscles over time and promote core strength for maintaining good posture throughout the day. Curls will help strengthen your wrists, and bench presses will strengthen a lot of the muscles in your arms. Lifting weights is not just for getting strong or building muscle, but rather a way to strengthen essential parts of your body in ways that will improve your day-to-day life. Lifting, in short, is for everyone.
all I am saying is staples hyken chair is better in every way. I sold it while keeping my expensive imported sihoo chair and I am disappointed. If you don't want to spend 2k on a chair, hyken is a great option if you are in us. herman miller is pricey doesn't necessarily mean it's more comfy than other chairs. Durablility and warranty are basically why it costs so much.
It is the one of the best from my own personal experience tbh. Very nice and with the right size, really heelp long term
I had a good ol leather chair that squeaked a ton but it was so comfortably, but it was like 15 years old and I needed a new chair.. I bought one of those "gaming chairs" the one with the pillow and massage pillow, and they SUCK!!!
They are so terrible, they only look cool, but they are so uncomfortably, the pillow in the weigh, I can't use the backrest, my butt hurts if I sit too long, the seat's too narrow cause of those slants
I'm 6 foot 3 inches, (that's about 190 cm) and my feet do not reach the floor, it's either the back rest or the floor, and if I lower the chair to have my feet touch the floor and the backrest I can't reach my desk.. AND if I even do all that I have to scoot my chair up so far the armrests get in the way of the desk, so I would have to play 5 inches low and a foot and a half back..
etc etc.. I really wish I just went into a furniture shop and tried sitting in and bought a regular computer chair.. those "Gaming Chairs" are just a scam.. hahahaha damn I got screwed.. -__-
And here i am so comfy with my monoblock chair when playing..
That gaming chair will only hurt your neck if you are short.
Most of my friends also bought gaming chair... The one that looks cool enough to be fitted to sports car....
Meanwhile, I bought one of those expensive CEO excecutive chair... The one that have thick cushion so my ass wont hurt after 5-6 hours of sitting.
Now that we're getting old & fatter, many don't use that cool chair anymore, LMAO.
Mine is still there, already fitted & shaped exclusively for my usage from long time usage.
I definitely can relate to their same issues with gaming chairs. I usually only use it when playing Apex and Valo, I switch back to my office chair when working and playing casual games w
I have one of these chairs and it solved my back issues I was starting to have with "gaming chairs". It also feels like I'm sitting on a cloud. I really recommend it even if you have to save for a long time, it has like 11 years of warranty.
Time to buy a Herman-Miller chair. Effective advertisement. As expected of a devil!
And then Herman Miller chairs sold out overnight. XD
Is that still the same hermann miller chair, that was funded during her minecraft stream?
I actually went and searched up Herman Miller chairs after this. Hire Towa as the spokesperson now
Herman miller did sponsor the event
cute startend.
Wow the h brand that sell the most expensive chairs on the planet
Let it be known not all gaming products are actually the best product for your gaming experience. Mouse, monitor, yeah. Chair, no. Get a good office chair, spend as many as you can on it.
RGB for increasing PC performance
:v
I want a Herman Miller chair too :(
Guess I've been working hard too and it's not because of my age.
-Senchou, probably
2:57 is it just me or Aqutan's dialect changed a bit 🤔🤔
I have the same exact looking chair but it's definitely not made by Herman Miller
We use these chairs at work in the Navy and I assumed they were shitty chairs because they're always so beat up.
It'd be funny if in RPR's next stream he's using a Herman Miller chair.
I had those silent mouse when i'm still working in office. I bought it because I don't want bother the others with my mouse clicking sound. Then covid came, we work from home and i realized that thing sucks so i bought new mouse
Gaming chairs a trash. They are horrible for posture. YOu want a good office chair like Herman Miller.
So Towa ends up buying HM like the viewers was suggesting at that time huh. Its been a while since i watch her live, and when i do she didnt talk about chairs so i didnt know. HM is good, in comparison to any gaming chair that was based on race car seats. Some gaming chair only copied the looks of a car seat but changed many things to make it comfortable. The logitech x HM chair might seem like a meme but they are legit a good chair.
Never get gaming chair, that a huge scam. Get yourself office chair or custom office chair with customize arm rest
*salesman, and if for some reason it matters that she's a woman, saleswoman
no many the price i will always return to shrimp posture
Those gaming chairs are designed for race car driving... they are legit bad for your back as a desk job chair. People really need to stop buying into the scam.
Does secret lab good tho? Since HM is a really pricy man I can't afford it LOL so I was considering other products to buy
I bet that there are people who immediately rushed and bought that chair just because Towa said its good.
If you look at Shibuya Hal stream of the actual event, Herman Miller is mentioned as sponsor? I guess.
Gaming Chairs are not good for your back. It's all bells and whistles. Get quality ergonomic office chairs.
Gaming chair for me is overrated. Better to buy chair from true chair brand
Truth. Mid to high-end office chairs are the best.
Some may think it is a joke, but those chairs are premium for a reason, they are so freaking comfortable
Yep like a monoblock
Floor gang can't relate. 🗿
Gaming chairs are just a scam
Gaming chairs are increasingly seen as not worth it, and I would agree. Get one that’s actually comfy for long periods.
Honestly it kinda seems like gaming chairs are just a fad, like word of mouth makes them seem cool even though they're not. iirc Calli had one but it was killer on her back, so she just got a good office chair and helped so much better. Sounds like Towa has the same idea of "just get a good chair" lmao. Take care of yourselves!
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I can relate to Suisei. I hate clicking noises that's why I'm using a silent rgb gaming mouse & keyboard.
I suspect Towa has the same Manager with Watame, because Watame was recommended Herman Miller chair too by her manager, lol
If I remember correct Towa actually got the recommendation for the chair from a friend (I believe it was selly?)
If one manager thought gaming chairs were better than herman miller and one didn't and ai had the first one, I'd request a manager swap
@@Nachtflut I didn't know that, thank you for the information
Gaming chairs arent that good for the back.
Gaming chairs are generally garbage and not ergonomic at all.
SEA peoples : Monobloc supremacy!!!
but seriously, sometimes an ordinary office chair is more comfortable than a supposedly gaming chair. cheaper also
3:00 well, 148cm btw