As the meta now is more fast oriented, harith’s slow attacks makes him very vulnerable, and also he heavily relies on his team, meaning he’s no longer good at handling on his own. If he goes full dmg build, he’ll be too squishy, if he goes tanky his dmg is too small and if he goes hybrid, just a bit of both. Also the fact he eats way too much mana that enchanted talisman would be a must buy but it’ll mean lower dmg output. Despite his recent buff on his 1st skill’s dmg, its not enough bcs it isn’t his main potential skill, its his hopping skill. He barely gets any shield when under antiheal, very short ranged to die against longer ranged heroes and easily countered by burst and cc. A crit mm in late game easily melts him in just 2 seconds of contact, bcz of the delay in dmg between his basic atks and dashes. He’d have harder time against current meta fighters that would later buy dominance ice to easily counter him. And neither of the roles that fit harith is good at anymore, if he goes jungle, his jungle clear is way too slow. If he goes exp, easily dominated by most meta fighters (especially Esmeralda and Phoveus). If he goes midlane, most meta mages easily outrange him. And lastly in gold lane, same thing, short ranged and too squishy if the enemy gold laner outranges him. Imo, they should definitely buff his core skills such as his passive, 2nd skill and ultimate or revert past nerfs that was made on him.
No please, not another Magic Defense buff. If it was added, it’ll end up like Eudora where there’s a 2-3 weeks of Harithphobia before Moonton will nerf him again 6 more times.
Ok how is this as he dashes more he gets more shield and maybe they can buff the amount of magic defense he steals first skill buffed so not gonna change that his ultimate cd probably reduce
One thing to get Harith back into the meta is to revoke the nerf from his passive, instead of up to 45% resiliency they should return it to 65%. As things are now, Barats basically have Harith's passive when he's in full stacks.
And 100% with tough boots lol. Only supress and airborne can stop him back then, which is why Chou was the counter pick for him. Funny how he was a 1v5 monster but now he struggles even in 1v1.
Harith used to have an immobilization effect on his ultimate and a higher shield in his second skill. What is more overpowering was Harith's ability to spam, making him almost invincible. Sadly, it was in the past now.
also the cd reduction provided when you hit an enemy with his enhanced basic atk and when you use your ult is higher back in the day that's why he can already go rambo at 20% cdr its crazy now he needs atleast 30% cdr
@@WittyFalls Of all the Heroes Moonton has created, Harith is the most undeserving, ever since he was first released, they don't know how to properly balance him, which ended up being nerfed for each and every season/patch notes. Just as when he is so weak from the nerfs that no one would even use or pick him in-game, they still continue to nerf him. In the previous seasons/patch notes, they managed to give him a buff, However, the buffs or adjustments to Harith did not compensate or mitigate the damage they have done nerfing Harith.
harith isnt used anymore because of how heavy the emphasis on cc is in the meta. you'd have a hard time without purify if the enemy has enough cc. he doesnt have range either so there's that
@@Gian872 exactly. even with his passive and mobility he’s still gonna have a hard time because mana will run out eventually unless u add talisman which then decreases his dps by honesty quite a lot esp if ur also gonna build defensive items as well
"We want Harith's mistake to be less punishing" then return his immobilized effect on his ultimate and make his 2nd skill enhanced basic attacks into true damage
@@Unforgiving_Eye Harith would basically just do the same amounts of True damage as Karrie does. Just because someone deals true damage doesn't mean that they would instantly become op. And plus, he would still be not broken even if all of his damage converts to true damage. The reason why he was a menace to begin with was because you couldn't kill him during his hayday because he could spam his 2nd skill so much that almost all of his hp bar became a shield.
I remember practicing Harith in adv server before officially release . As soon as he is release I straight up use him in ranked. Good time. Nowadays, his damage does not feels impressive anymore.
As a former Harith main with a 500+ matches at 69% winrate, I think there’s a lot of reasons that resulted in Harith’s downfall. Too much nerfs, better heroes, lots of counters; that’s it mainly. Harith during his release was really strong. Strong enough to be on ban list at almost every game except if you give trades. I still remember the autoban heroes of that time, Aldous, Leomord, Kimmy, Claude, or Harith. Nowadays, Harith lost most of his features that made him a great mage. High shield, decent range, good burst potential, and team fight oriented. The changes that came just killed him after. First was the removal of two blue buffs. I remember the era of Harith when junglers didn’t even need Retribution to farm effectively, only needing a jungling item. First major nerf was the removal of his ult’s immobilize. That was a huge blow in chasing enemies despite of their high movement speed. Then the continuous nerfs on his main skill; the dash. His range became shorter, the damage greatly weakened, shield became minimal. Harith’s downfall was that he was too overpowered. Moonton really went out of their way to make it harder for Harith specifically. They introduced heroes that were made to counter Harith at the time. Esmeralda which could eat away his shield, Khufra with the bouncing balls to cancel his dashes, and Minsitthar just downright cc stunlock for him. Another is the item changes made for necklace of durance where anti lifesteal now applied to shields. Sea halberd and dominance ice just came around and made it even harder for Harith to sustain teamfights. At some point Harith became useless but because of the trauma that Harith brought, people still auto banned him. I remember fighting against my own teammates because they banned Harith even if he was that weak. At this point, the meta has changed a lot. High movement speed is a must now. He rotates slowly. Harith with his custom emblem set-up, relying on the cooldown reduction of the mage emblem is a nerf in itself. Julian would wreck Harith, Ling and Karina would just burst him down and run away quickly, Yin is well Yin. I’ve even been having trouble with Miya when back then, I could just kill her with three skills. With inspire around, she would just sustain my damage and kill me. Just Eudora herself could counter Harith and give him no chance to fight back. At this point, if Moonton wants to bring back Harith, they have to strengthen his second skill, reduce his cooldowns, and revamp his passive. Ign: UnAlive.
What if he can be able to cast both 1st skill and 2nd skill without delay? That way he could make use of his 1st skill buffs and increase his sustain. But as you said, he gets countered by Khuf and Esme so hard. And without his ult Harith's movement speed is shit. And the funny part is that his passive is a CC reduction skill but he needs purify lol.
I've tried him with full tank build,it was great. The damage is okay(since I'm laning against marksman in gold lane). He can sustain a lot more while doing decent damage from thunderbelt and twilight armor passive
Cc reduction does not matter if you are constanstly deleted from existence with just a few attacks, he is better against melee compositions, and fighters are not doing too good right now.
Ruby, Thamuz, Terizla, Esmeralda... Other than that, I do NOT wanna play on the XP lane, especially if the other team didn't pick their XP laner already...
3:24 i will rewrite a whole new one for him. And i have actually made a video on that and hopefully the devs will see it. For me the reason harith is non meta now, is mainly because of his low defense attributes. He used to be a solid hero when he had pillager axe/beast killer as i explained thoroughly in the video
Harith's passive suggestion: For each enemy hero nearby, increases DMG and healing received amount(including shield) max of 50%. This way, the slow damage and shield gaining of Harith can be compensated
hey, Elgin thank you for making a video about Harith, I think that he's a solid pick if the enemy team comp has little cc he's squishy after all and his shield isn't enough to sustain him. After the constant nerfs to make him "balanced" the devs made him hard to use in the current meta, many heroes now have tons of cc skills without a good tank or support, and good positioning his an easy pickoff. they should change his passive or maybe just buff it and Hariths primary source of damage is his second but they focus on his first. I hope they do him justice along with Hanabi idk.
They should bring back the stun on Harith's ult bec almost all mage out there have cc and immunity, despite from having a good mobility the enemy can easily outrun his ulti and burst him.
Maybe they should change his passive to make him more durable in teamfights, slightly reduce the cc reduction effect and add in something like a increased healing per enemy nearby. Or just straight up make his skills faster by increasing animation speed
i think the recognition he needs is to be involved in a big update just like the rise of necrokeep vexana, faramis, leomard(not a revamp btw but maybe a skill adjustment hat makes him more balanced and reduces his difficulty level)
I think it would be cool if Harith has a stun effect on his first skill so he can stun the enemies while finishing them with his ult and second skills.
i started playing august 2017 and unfortunately quit october 2021 but still watching Harith's updates and highlights for the reason that seeing my main make me recall cool memories.
It's already stackable but requires multiple enemies around when he dashes. Up to 3. His 1 vs 1 capability is so low right now (800 shield from full build won't help), since he can be easily killed using inspire + dps mm alone (which is an unstoppable beast set, especially his low range)
A new passive probably More Magic Damage = More Sheild Received. And Increase Movement speed.or More Enemy = Increase Damage and Reduce Damage Received.
I think intresting concept would be if they added to his passive something like (without removing current) bonus to shield gain and HP regen by % according to enemys nearby (i think it would work well with him since he is kinda shield based hero)
Harith needs Attack Range since harith as a squishy hero Harith needs better positioning and range. Also need Attack speed Since his second skill rely so much on basic attack, Even on 45% CD you can't maximize the potential of Harith's second skill since it really relies on it's Basic Attack.
Harith right build should not be pure dmg items, because his range is too small, and all these shields and resilence are useless if u can be destroyed by negative penetration assassins in like 0.5s The best thing to do is giving him 3 dmg items and rest are def The dmg items: Calamity reaper, holy crystal, and third one can be changed (most likely freeze or blood wings or concentrated energy) Def items must include one CD item at least, or u will need to keep the CD reduction boots(instead of changing them to def boots), however thunder belt and oracle are highly recommended With Calamity reaper u can spam true dmg so u doesn't really need penetration items any more, he can't be bursted down with 2-3 def items while dealing constant dmg that exceed many fighters but not as massive and bursty as other mages however he is almost impossible to take down because with high magic power(holy crystal and blood wings)u will get very high shield and with the defense attributes the shield will be durable as well, in addition to harith mobility, he can kill any assassin and most fighters solo in such build However the weakness of hybrid harith is MM with inspire, he just can't keep up well, however if u used vengeance he can Another weakness is when enemies have 2 single target heroes that will focus u (however u must have stupid team that let u die always in that case)
It would be amazing if harit's first skill does have the same effect as Lancelot where you can immune enemy's attk for a short period of time. For his dash skill it would be helpful if each dash will stack up and increases its critical strike amongt enemy.
Crit on 2nd Skill's Enhanced Basic? Nah bro. Remember in the past where he used Berserker's Fury and just destroys enemies. Even now (basing on my experiences) he's still powerful with it but I don't really use it because it cost too much gold and Crit dmg relies on chance %.
why? he gets outbursted. His jungle potential is really low considering he is a pure mage that doesn't have that much damage on his regular basic attacks. Also, he is pretty much a relocating mage that's pretty weak to CC
as a global harith main, it is best to use him in mid lane with purify. he can easily clear lanes and rotate. his 1st skill is equally important as his 2nd. use it in middle of 2nd skill and you can melt down any tanky hero. late game squishy heroes are 3 shots for him. one 1st and two 2nd.
Non burst heroes are extremely difficult to use, that's why Harith and Benedetta are barely being picked, you need to get closer to the enemy in order to attack the them but at the same time, they're pretty squishy.
@@billyt6841 What do you mean i insult you? I even ruined my own grammar in that reply just to show that i m not making fun of you or to not make it insult you! 😤
I am a mage user and still use harith up to this day. I think they should increase his sustainability more. He is too short ranged as compared to other mages while still being squishy
You're right. His passive needs a change, having only resilience is not enough. Maybe add a new effect like giving a small percentage of cd reduction to every skills everytime harith gains a key. Like if you agree.
As a harith main. wait, ex-harith main, His damage is much lower compared to any other mages and if u compare him with a mm (since he uses alot of basic atk), it really sucks. And his shield can be easily countered by anti lifestyle and there is no slot for Oracle. So, after around 870 matches, l left this leonin.
i would rewrite Hariths passive like for every dash he does his Defense (magic and physical) and magic dmg is increased by 5% and max up to 10 stacks and lasts up to 4 seconds before it disappears. i think this would be very META or just generally OP because you dont need to focus on magic dmg much and you can do more CD in early game first before magic dmg.
Wow horro chan just posted Harith being weak just two days ago I swear to god they have such similar content I love it... They also posted Eudora vs aurora together too if you guys remember
Not a percentage, but a good number (during the good old days I can get 300 each dash and win 1 vs 1 with 1 HP vs full HP gs), since you won't soak anything with only 150 shield, while Kagura still gains 300 which is already great start.
Harith main, 945 matches here and playing him since his release. Here are my insights for this cat boy. Firstly, I'd change his role to mage/tank. Like you said, his passive works better for tanks (And I've been building Harith with tank build lately and it fares very well) and would work best if he can be a functional front liner tank. His 2nd skill cd could be returned to its initial state. Even if its not the damage, just the cd where 20% cdr is enough to let him spam with ult + let it scale with a 50-50 percentage with his max hp and his magic power with its shield equivalent to the damage dealt to a nearby hero. This would be a very good exchange tbh. His ult is fine as is, just that they remove that annoying bug where it wont reduce 2nd skill cd even if cd reduction criteria is met. I tell you the times I've lost savages because of this thing His first skill could use some damage adjustments but everything is fine as is
Harith main here! The best way to buff this character is in my opinion, to change his skit whenever he use his zaman force, whenever his on zaman force his second skill gives u 2 balls instead of 1, 1st skill would be larger instead of small, his passive should be changed too
The thing is he's a mage but based on this video, without a frontliner / tank or fighter, he's basically on open spaces like a bait that can easily be devoured
3:30 it think they should rewrite another passive like for example each time enemy deals damage to harith will get 90% magic power+10% sheild can last for 5.1 second and his passive will be on each 1min
The only thing that I could think for a decent buff on improving Harith is; Revamping and reconstructing a new 2nd skill without buffing the DMG, but still be a mobility kit for Harith, or Decreasing the frames from his enhanced basic attack animation whenever after he uses 2nd skill, because there are decently a lot of cases where you get outpaced by other heroes due to their faster skill combos, or Returning his immobilization CC from his ult.
He's definitely good as he is right now, having a chance of reaping enemies, sustaining damages, while still having the backslash of being a Mage. However, with the upsurging popularity of the tank jungle meta, he'll have a hard time trying to fit in into team compositions, when players can choose to have a Xavier (squishy but can poke/burst at distance). Players can try adjusting equipment setups to evade his squishiness in exchange for his damage, like : Making him a Position 4. Tough Boots (can also Roam: Dire Hit) Glowing Wand / Genius Wand / Divine Glaive Oracle Brute Force Chestplate and other Def items, just throw his damage equipments and focus on teamfights or backline pokes, besides, he doesnt have CC.
If ur asking for a suggestion then i guess he don't really need any kind of buff or change in any of his skills.... Simply make his skills animation faster just like hayabusa shadow skill( harith's 2nd skill and enhanced basic attack,his first skill is well balanced)..... But if a change is required in his passive then just make the cc red fixed at 45% ( even for one enemy)so that he can purchase other resilience items for more cc red....... That's all
I think harith need some adjustments on his basic atk range or maybe add some magic def shred to enemies hitted by his second skill.But please i hope moonton doesn't overbuff him cause he causes really huge pain in my butt back when he was meta.I hate the fact that i am forced to use kaja or chou just to counter him.
Decrease the cd of his 2nd by .5, .5 is big enough and giving him more shield will also be great or maybe increasing the range of his ultimate so its easier for beginners to play him
If I'm the one to change harith's passive, I'll change it to damage reduction up to 45% depending on the number of enemies because harith is always on the Frontline of teamfights that can easily be bursted to death by enemies, also because he's a mage and this passive will work very well for his skill sets.
Maybe making him able to use enhanced basic attack and first skill while moving or dashing during his ult . And make the animation faster too. His main problem to me is his slow attacks.
I have two things that could work. One is to give him a cdr passive with the original passive that scales with his level/ulti, 5 - 10%. With this he will 2 less cdr items. He can even just use CR and FoH as his core items and maybe get tough boots to have even more status resistance. Other than that, maybe he can be immune to cc once when ever his ulti is online.
I’ve never played Harith myself but I have played against a few Harith mains before.I main Marksmen and I usually sustain easily against them,due to mainly using life steal marksmen. I think he should either have an immobilization effect or silencing effect,to get away from burst characters.Pair that up with dominance ice and he’ll struggle less against meta marksmen.
passive: well I don't know [edit] he gets higher mana Reagen from items first: still the same, maybe make it change the centre or whatever second skill: instead of the shield he gets cc resilience and gets both defs based on the enemies third skill: upon casting it immobilizes the enemies and does continues damage
I personally love playing with harith bursting down enemy hero's easily and he has high outplay potential I think he is fun spaming skills and jumping around but its seems not everyone likes it I think he is most underrated hero Also I think he is unpopular because he isn't all of those burst mages who stay back or one-shot enemys and run he is mage that needs perfect positioning in team fights also I think he is shadowed by other mages
ok do here's a suggestion for his passive, harith's playstyle is mainly around his 2 and 3 so how about this : every 3rd dash harith does within the range of his ultimate he gains 15% magic penetration for 6 seconds this stacks twice this also, harith gains 5% less crowd control duration for every enemy hero that is close to him. if you think this might not be the buff/ passive tweat that he needs then im all ears to hear your ideas! (Edit also for the love of god can moontoon please lower the amount of mana that it takes to cast his skills?)
A revamped passive could make use of cooldown reduction instead of cc duration reductoon for every hero around. Making it 5% per hero and maxing up to 10%. That way, we won't have to worry about building cd boots or taking blue buffs.
I feel that in order for harith to be playable is some damage buffs and shield buff. Let the shield scale up with magic and a little bit on HP builds while his damage can be slightly increased
Been experimenting on builds for the current harith. My main problem with him is that if he's the jungler he farms way too slow compared to even jungler tanks. He is also out ranged by most mages in mid and most marksmen in the gold lane. The best build that works FOR ME that I've used is Arcane Boots, Enchanted Talisman, Clock of Destiny, Lightning Truncheon, Holy Crystal and Immortality.
his damage is bad? fr? his both his 1st and 2nd skill almost have no cd and with calamity reaper it basically enhances damage more with true damage, his problem is his squishy-ness, if you don't have a proper tank that engages first then he'll be trash but considering his damage, both burst and sustain is decent. shield is good enough since you can essentially spam the shit out of your 2nd skill meaning if it gives a lot of shield it'll stack and give you infinite shield, not too balanced at that is it?
My suggestion is for his ULT, like he can reposition it so that the can maximize both passive and ultimate, theres also a delay on casting his 2nd skill coz he backsup a lil bit before dashing, they need to fix that casting animation
I still miss the old harith's ultimate when he spawn that huge sword it will make enemy who stand in that sword will stun that's what I want or maybe the nerfs on hard cc heroes like Franco and Julian
i changing his passive and ultimate would be better as his 1st and 2nd skill is already good enough so heres a suggestion - passive: if there is a single enemy hero near by harith gains 200 (plus The items magic dmg) magic damage and gains extra magic lifesteal by 450 (plus the items magic spellvamp), however, if there is more than 2 enemy heroes harith gains 10% reduced crowd control effect and an increase of shield gain by 350,(passive increases based on number of enemies) as for the ultimate - Ultimate: when harith casts his ultimate slows down enemy heroes by 40% and increase cooldown reduction of 2nd skill, if the enhance basic atttack of harith hits an enemy hero the cooldown of 1st skill resets and gains increased magic damage based on the enemy’s max hp(plus magic items damage) this is just my suggestion but its not like moonton is gon rework or revamp harith anytime soon anyways
I would like passive to be started from scratch like “3% dmg reduction without sheild and increases by 3% for enemy heroes near, shield will be based on damage dealt to any ememy unit (heroes, minions and creeps) for 1.75 seconds with a 1 second cooldown, cooldown decreases by 20% for ememies near. As for resilience it will be nerfed to 30% max with the same old mechanic with less value” This should make him a better team fight iniator (which is technically good since hes a team fight oriented mage)
Sed. Used to be my favourite hero. He is still op. The main reason why I stopped using him was because he was too op and too mandatory in solo ranked games to win every game and it became really boring to a point. But no doubt I love this hero, as it was with this hero that I was able to beat global trios while I was doing solo. And also this was the hero who helped me get my global rank and supreme rank doing solo rank which was really tough back in the days as he was hardcore extreme meta.
As the meta now is more fast oriented, harith’s slow attacks makes him very vulnerable, and also he heavily relies on his team, meaning he’s no longer good at handling on his own. If he goes full dmg build, he’ll be too squishy, if he goes tanky his dmg is too small and if he goes hybrid, just a bit of both. Also the fact he eats way too much mana that enchanted talisman would be a must buy but it’ll mean lower dmg output. Despite his recent buff on his 1st skill’s dmg, its not enough bcs it isn’t his main potential skill, its his hopping skill. He barely gets any shield when under antiheal, very short ranged to die against longer ranged heroes and easily countered by burst and cc. A crit mm in late game easily melts him in just 2 seconds of contact, bcz of the delay in dmg between his basic atks and dashes. He’d have harder time against current meta fighters that would later buy dominance ice to easily counter him.
And neither of the roles that fit harith is good at anymore, if he goes jungle, his jungle clear is way too slow. If he goes exp, easily dominated by most meta fighters (especially Esmeralda and Phoveus). If he goes midlane, most meta mages easily outrange him. And lastly in gold lane, same thing, short ranged and too squishy if the enemy gold laner outranges him.
Imo, they should definitely buff his core skills such as his passive, 2nd skill and ultimate or revert past nerfs that was made on him.
i agree
Despite Harith being unpopular, I think he is one of those op mages because of his high mobility, if you want a full combo on him, use purify.
They nerf his s2 cooldown 2 years ago and he's not the same anymore
@@BajaToxic True, Harith was like the Gusion today. Picked every damn game because he's too OP.
I agree with that
faramis played a huge role in that game, it helped with the squishy weakness of harith during team fights.
Yup so many times harith was suppose to die but feramis saved the day. Harith really needs a buff
Faramis, with the right skills, is like a legal cheat code in game
Adding a stack for every dash that maybe decreases the enemy magic def or increases magic power would be a nice addition to his passive.
No please, not another Magic Defense buff. If it was added, it’ll end up like Eudora where there’s a 2-3 weeks of Harithphobia before Moonton will nerf him again 6 more times.
Maybe replace immobilize on ulti just in 1 second so he can fight 1v1 or run away .Or just buff passive on shield for survive. Agreed??
@MeliodasZ get the fuck out of here no 2
Ok how is this as he dashes more he gets more shield and maybe they can buff the amount of magic defense he steals first skill buffed so not gonna change that his ultimate cd probably reduce
Too OP
As a harith main, the main reason of his downfall is due to his nerfs, especially to his 2nd skill, and passive.
And not to mention that he's nerf like 27 times in the row.
And his pretty squishy you can't even 1v1 an mm
His old ult was op but they nerfed his ult.
It's not that you had to main him to understand that
*_Wait, harith mains still exist? 😯🤯_*
I miss the time when lunox harith and Esmeralda's home is the ban section😥
Yeah
Back when kagura,lunox and harith jungler were in the meta
Kimmy
@@billyt6841 idk on mythic but in legend kimmy rarely get banned so i always insta lock her lol
Ah yes the 2019 meta
One thing to get Harith back into the meta is to revoke the nerf from his passive, instead of up to 45% resiliency they should return it to 65%. As things are now, Barats basically have Harith's passive when he's in full stacks.
it actually goes up to 70% before the nerfs
And 100% with tough boots lol. Only supress and airborne can stop him back then, which is why Chou was the counter pick for him. Funny how he was a 1v5 monster but now he struggles even in 1v1.
@@jaspervincent8585special against Mm even if you are feed
Harith used to have an immobilization effect on his ultimate and a higher shield in his second skill. What is more overpowering was Harith's ability to spam, making him almost invincible. Sadly, it was in the past now.
also the cd reduction provided when you hit an enemy with his enhanced basic atk and when you use your ult is higher back in the day that's why he can already go rambo at 20% cdr its crazy now he needs atleast 30% cdr
I remember buying him when he released...he was so op that u could literally burst everyone with skills..literal 1sec cd of both skills
i remember seeing him getting nerfed to death in like 8 patches something in a row back then and its sad af to see
@@WittyFalls Of all the Heroes Moonton has created, Harith is the most undeserving, ever since he was first released, they don't know how to properly balance him, which ended up being nerfed for each and every season/patch notes. Just as when he is so weak from the nerfs that no one would even use or pick him in-game, they still continue to nerf him. In the previous seasons/patch notes, they managed to give him a buff, However, the buffs or adjustments to Harith did not compensate or mitigate the damage they have done nerfing Harith.
harith isnt used anymore because of how heavy the emphasis on cc is in the meta. you'd have a hard time without purify if the enemy has enough cc. he doesnt have range either so there's that
You'd get unli dash but you'll run out of mana really quickly
@@Gian872 exactly. even with his passive and mobility he’s still gonna have a hard time because mana will run out eventually unless u add talisman which then decreases his dps by honesty quite a lot esp if ur also gonna build defensive items as well
@@Gian872 yeah ik. He's fine late game but early to mid is pain
@@lxncexzs build thunderbelt and a couple damage items. His damage is pretty good
Yeah especially Franco and Saber that have a long CC... Also Yin.
"We want Harith's mistake to be less punishing"
then return his immobilized effect on his ultimate and make his 2nd skill enhanced basic attacks into true damage
Are u crazy true damag? Then athena is useless and its unbalanced
@@vrdsp-4042 their high asf right now
I honestly prefer harith like he is rn lol rather than classic hariths destroying our team before the 7 min mark
Returning the immobilization effect on his ult is okay, not sure about the true damage though.
@@Unforgiving_Eye Harith would basically just do the same amounts of True damage as Karrie does.
Just because someone deals true damage doesn't mean that they would instantly become op.
And plus, he would still be not broken even if all of his damage converts to true damage. The reason why he was a menace to begin with was because you couldn't kill him during his hayday because he could spam his 2nd skill so much that almost all of his hp bar became a shield.
"Harith"
Pros:
•High Mobility
•High damage early
•Medium Average Sustain
Cons:
•Low Mana
•0.25 Second reduction isnt enough
•Glass hero
I remember practicing Harith in adv server before officially release . As soon as he is release I straight up use him in ranked. Good time. Nowadays, his damage does not feels impressive anymore.
He was just released before his time he would be pretty normal right now
As a former Harith main with a 500+ matches at 69% winrate, I think there’s a lot of reasons that resulted in Harith’s downfall. Too much nerfs, better heroes, lots of counters; that’s it mainly.
Harith during his release was really strong. Strong enough to be on ban list at almost every game except if you give trades. I still remember the autoban heroes of that time, Aldous, Leomord, Kimmy, Claude, or Harith. Nowadays, Harith lost most of his features that made him a great mage. High shield, decent range, good burst potential, and team fight oriented. The changes that came just killed him after. First was the removal of two blue buffs. I remember the era of Harith when junglers didn’t even need Retribution to farm effectively, only needing a jungling item.
First major nerf was the removal of his ult’s immobilize. That was a huge blow in chasing enemies despite of their high movement speed. Then the continuous nerfs on his main skill; the dash. His range became shorter, the damage greatly weakened, shield became minimal.
Harith’s downfall was that he was too overpowered. Moonton really went out of their way to make it harder for Harith specifically. They introduced heroes that were made to counter Harith at the time. Esmeralda which could eat away his shield, Khufra with the bouncing balls to cancel his dashes, and Minsitthar just downright cc stunlock for him. Another is the item changes made for necklace of durance where anti lifesteal now applied to shields. Sea halberd and dominance ice just came around and made it even harder for Harith to sustain teamfights. At some point Harith became useless but because of the trauma that Harith brought, people still auto banned him. I remember fighting against my own teammates because they banned Harith even if he was that weak.
At this point, the meta has changed a lot. High movement speed is a must now. He rotates slowly. Harith with his custom emblem set-up, relying on the cooldown reduction of the mage emblem is a nerf in itself.
Julian would wreck Harith, Ling and Karina would just burst him down and run away quickly, Yin is well Yin. I’ve even been having trouble with Miya when back then, I could just kill her with three skills. With inspire around, she would just sustain my damage and kill me. Just Eudora herself could counter Harith and give him no chance to fight back.
At this point, if Moonton wants to bring back Harith, they have to strengthen his second skill, reduce his cooldowns, and revamp his passive.
Ign: UnAlive.
What if he can be able to cast both 1st skill and 2nd skill without delay? That way he could make use of his 1st skill buffs and increase his sustain. But as you said, he gets countered by Khuf and Esme so hard. And without his ult Harith's movement speed is shit. And the funny part is that his passive is a CC reduction skill but he needs purify lol.
In short terms, harith sucks.
I've tried him with full tank build,it was great. The damage is okay(since I'm laning against marksman in gold lane). He can sustain a lot more while doing decent damage from thunderbelt and twilight armor passive
Cc reduction does not matter if you are constanstly deleted from existence with just a few attacks, he is better against melee compositions, and fighters are not doing too good right now.
Yes because his passive is weak....if only its a permanent 45% CC reduction it might help together with tough boots, thats 75% cc reduction...
Ruby, Thamuz, Terizla, Esmeralda... Other than that, I do NOT wanna play on the XP lane, especially if the other team didn't pick their XP laner already...
Miss the days when Harith was feared by many..
3:24 i will rewrite a whole new one for him. And i have actually made a video on that and hopefully the devs will see it.
For me the reason harith is non meta now, is mainly because of his low defense attributes. He used to be a solid hero when he had pillager axe/beast killer as i explained thoroughly in the video
true the jungle items made him a beast like esmeralda with pillager axe
You are right it was not hero who was busted it was his defence gain but those item but moonton just nerfed him to the ground
Moonton nerfing suks
I remember playing Harith a while back and man i cant believe i was ganked by all 5 enemies yet somehow i both survived and not get a savage
Harith's passive suggestion:
For each enemy hero nearby, increases DMG and healing received amount(including shield) max of 50%.
This way, the slow damage and shield gaining of Harith can be compensated
Maybe adding shield or increase its damage reduction every dash would work i believe :3
hey, Elgin thank you for making a video about Harith, I think that he's a solid pick if the enemy team comp has little cc he's squishy after all and his shield isn't enough to sustain him. After the constant nerfs to make him "balanced" the devs made him hard to use in the current meta, many heroes now have tons of cc skills without a good tank or support, and good positioning his an easy pickoff. they should change his passive or maybe just buff it and Hariths primary source of damage is his second but they focus on his first. I hope they do him justice along with Hanabi idk.
I remember those years that harith's been in the ban section for a long long time lmao.
They should bring back the stun on Harith's ult bec almost all mage out there have cc and immunity, despite from having a good mobility the enemy can easily outrun his ulti and burst him.
nah, that was busted. they could just increase the slow from 30% to 70%.
@@icey_john 70% and can spam it that obscured harith have a low cd on his skill
@@icey_john 70% and can spam it that obscured
@@icey_john Not really busted if the stun duration is like 0.5 second only
@@supp2933 dude.. 70% of slow means the opponents literally can't get out from the area.
His buff next update sure gonna make him unstoppable...
I just like his walk animation!
Its just so cuteee
I think it's because of the same reason why you wouldn't use a layla over someone like beatrix, moscov, wanwan, or even miya. in short, power creep
Maybe they should change his passive to make him more durable in teamfights, slightly reduce the cc reduction effect and add in something like a increased healing per enemy nearby. Or just straight up make his skills faster by increasing animation speed
The latest update did this, but not the third one you mentioned.
He has hybrid lifesteal up to 35% passive now.
Plus decreased cc effects of 15%.
3:20 maybe by providing a cooldown reduction in each of his skills every number of enemies nearby
I remembered the time when he is always compete or fight against lunox in terms of the throne of being the best mage in Mlbb
4:50 Look at this Alucard. XD
i think the recognition he needs is to be involved in a big update just like the rise of necrokeep vexana, faramis, leomard(not a revamp btw but maybe a skill adjustment hat makes him more balanced and reduces his difficulty level)
No matter how many buffs he received recently . He still get low pick rate because of the big nerfed on his sec skill shield
I think it would be cool if Harith has a stun effect on his first skill so he can stun the enemies while finishing them with his ult and second skills.
A harith buff thats needed:faster dashes and attacks.
I think giving him more shield or giving his 2nd skill some type of immunity will bring him back in the meta
i started playing august 2017 and unfortunately quit october 2021 but still watching Harith's updates and highlights for the reason that seeing my main make me recall cool memories.
I think they should make his passive have 10% of cc time reduction instead of 9% and make his shield from 2nd skill stack able
It's already stackable but requires multiple enemies around when he dashes. Up to 3. His 1 vs 1 capability is so low right now (800 shield from full build won't help), since he can be easily killed using inspire + dps mm alone (which is an unstoppable beast set, especially his low range)
@@filbertchandra9419 i mean stack able each dash not each enemy
A new passive probably More Magic Damage = More Sheild Received. And Increase Movement speed.or More Enemy = Increase Damage and Reduce Damage Received.
I think intresting concept would be if they added to his passive something like (without removing current) bonus to shield gain and HP regen by % according to enemys nearby (i think it would work well with him since he is kinda shield based hero)
Harith needs Attack Range since harith as a squishy hero Harith needs better positioning and range. Also need Attack speed Since his second skill rely so much on basic attack, Even on 45% CD you can't maximize the potential of Harith's second skill since it really relies on it's Basic Attack.
Passive : increase defence according to the num her enemies around
Second skill: increase shield ammount
agree and the cc reduction effect should be when he's inside the range of his Ultimate but reduced to 25%
Another thing to adjust is the skill indicator of an ult.
Harith right build should not be pure dmg items, because his range is too small, and all these shields and resilence are useless if u can be destroyed by negative penetration assassins in like 0.5s
The best thing to do is giving him 3 dmg items and rest are def
The dmg items:
Calamity reaper, holy crystal, and third one can be changed (most likely freeze or blood wings or concentrated energy)
Def items must include one CD item at least, or u will need to keep the CD reduction boots(instead of changing them to def boots), however thunder belt and oracle are highly recommended
With Calamity reaper u can spam true dmg so u doesn't really need penetration items any more, he can't be bursted down with 2-3 def items while dealing constant dmg that exceed many fighters but not as massive and bursty as other mages
however he is almost impossible to take down because with high magic power(holy crystal and blood wings)u will get very high shield and with the defense attributes the shield will be durable as well, in addition to harith mobility, he can kill any assassin and most fighters solo in such build
However the weakness of hybrid harith is MM with inspire, he just can't keep up well, however if u used vengeance he can
Another weakness is when enemies have 2 single target heroes that will focus u (however u must have stupid team that let u die always in that case)
yes the build does make him weaker, especially in the late game and I agree with your statement
As someone who does’t really read buffs, nerfs and adjustment so I always wondered why he fell so much out of meta because I’m 2018 he was so op.
Me too2018 days
It would be amazing if harit's first skill does have the same effect as Lancelot where you can immune enemy's attk for a short period of time. For his dash skill it would be helpful if each dash will stack up and increases its critical strike amongt enemy.
Crit on 2nd Skill's Enhanced Basic? Nah bro. Remember in the past where he used Berserker's Fury and just destroys enemies. Even now (basing on my experiences) he's still powerful with it but I don't really use it because it cost too much gold and Crit dmg relies on chance %.
I used to be a harith user i use like every time but now i lost him cuz my heart chose another hero so i had to say goodbye to him
why? he gets outbursted. His jungle potential is really low considering he is a pure mage that doesn't have that much damage on his regular basic attacks.
Also, he is pretty much a relocating mage that's pretty weak to CC
as a global harith main, it is best to use him in mid lane with purify. he can easily clear lanes and rotate. his 1st skill is equally important as his 2nd. use it in middle of 2nd skill and you can melt down any tanky hero. late game squishy heroes are 3 shots for him. one 1st and two 2nd.
A qustion : is harith still good? Should i buy him?
Non burst heroes are extremely difficult to use, that's why Harith and Benedetta are barely being picked, you need to get closer to the enemy in order to attack the them but at the same time, they're pretty squishy.
Attack the them?
What the you is meaning 😝
@@Stendeverplays people being rude insulting my grammar I'm not native speaker bruh
@@billyt6841 What do you mean i insult you?
I even ruined my own grammar in that reply just to show that i m not making fun of you or to not make it insult you! 😤
@@Stendeverplays sorry for misunderstanding but your intentionally ruined your own grammar sounds like mocking at me. That's why I'm confused.
He's definitely mocking you and making fun of your grammar...
A whole new one is best, no point adding
4:40
Nice save Franco
This proves that hororo chan and elgin are connected.
See? Same type of video
You are right 😂
i bought harith cuz I got the LIGHTBORN skin but with speedy chrono dashes and low ult cooldown I feel he is flamboyantly fun to play.
I am a mage user and still use harith up to this day. I think they should increase his sustainability more. He is too short ranged as compared to other mages while still being squishy
You're right. His passive needs a change, having only resilience is not enough. Maybe add a new effect like giving a small percentage of cd reduction to every skills everytime harith gains a key. Like if you agree.
I wish they changed the shape of his ult or when he press ult he gets unlimited dashes for a while
As a harith main. wait, ex-harith main,
His damage is much lower compared to any other mages and if u compare him with a mm (since he uses alot of basic atk), it really sucks. And his shield can be easily countered by anti lifestyle and there is no slot for Oracle. So, after around 870 matches, l left this leonin.
Lifestyle?
@@Zackshortssss I think what he meant to say was Lifesteal
@@iitsgabb ok
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@@iitsgabb its my habit.
And my friends like it so i never correct it
Yah, ex Harith main here too (around 850 matches) I hate how shit they have let him become
Elgin: Harith should be played as a Jungler.
*That one Hanzo waving*
i would rewrite Hariths passive like for every dash he does his Defense (magic and physical) and magic dmg is increased by 5% and max up to 10 stacks and lasts up to 4 seconds before it disappears. i think this would be very META or just generally OP because you dont need to focus on magic dmg much and you can do more CD in early game first before magic dmg.
That would be OP..
I think giving back his skill2 high shield is enough..
Wow horro chan just posted Harith being weak just two days ago I swear to god they have such similar content I love it...
They also posted Eudora vs aurora together too if you guys remember
Harith's problem is his lack of defensive capabilities. Returning his old passive that gains a percentage of shield would make him more playable.
Not a percentage, but a good number (during the good old days I can get 300 each dash and win 1 vs 1 with 1 HP vs full HP gs), since you won't soak anything with only 150 shield, while Kagura still gains 300 which is already great start.
@@filbertchandra9419 and that's why he's nerfed as hell before. I think just a little is fine against burst mages/assassins.
Harith main, 945 matches here and playing him since his release. Here are my insights for this cat boy.
Firstly, I'd change his role to mage/tank. Like you said, his passive works better for tanks (And I've been building Harith with tank build lately and it fares very well) and would work best if he can be a functional front liner tank.
His 2nd skill cd could be returned to its initial state. Even if its not the damage, just the cd where 20% cdr is enough to let him spam with ult + let it scale with a 50-50 percentage with his max hp and his magic power with its shield equivalent to the damage dealt to a nearby hero. This would be a very good exchange tbh.
His ult is fine as is, just that they remove that annoying bug where it wont reduce 2nd skill cd even if cd reduction criteria is met. I tell you the times I've lost savages because of this thing
His first skill could use some damage adjustments but everything is fine as is
Harith main here! The best way to buff this character is in my opinion, to change his skit whenever he use his zaman force, whenever his on zaman force his second skill gives u 2 balls instead of 1, 1st skill would be larger instead of small, his passive should be changed too
awesome music, awesome video. I too once loved harith. I have a 88% winrate on him, last used him 2 years ago.
3m soon Idol...... Advance Congrats ❤️❤️
4:52 where's that heal coming from?😮😮
The thing is he's a mage but based on this video, without a frontliner / tank or fighter, he's basically on open spaces like a bait that can easily be devoured
The passive can add a cc immunity if he's on ultimate's area. If he's not on ults area, then the added effect will not activate.
02:16 "let me just take the turtle"
*Takes turtle casually*
3:30 it think they should rewrite another passive like for example each time enemy deals damage to harith will get 90% magic power+10% sheild can last for 5.1 second and his passive will be on each 1min
They showed make his ult invisible and show some glowing effect to his body if he uses ult cause people run away when he ults
The only thing that I could think for a decent buff on improving Harith is;
Revamping and reconstructing a new 2nd skill without buffing the DMG, but still be a mobility kit for Harith, or
Decreasing the frames from his enhanced basic attack animation whenever after he uses 2nd skill, because there are decently a lot of cases where you get outpaced by other heroes due to their faster skill combos, or
Returning his immobilization CC from his ult.
He's definitely good as he is right now, having a chance of reaping enemies, sustaining damages, while still having the backslash of being a Mage. However, with the upsurging popularity of the tank jungle meta, he'll have a hard time trying to fit in into team compositions, when players can choose to have a Xavier (squishy but can poke/burst at distance). Players can try adjusting equipment setups to evade his squishiness in exchange for his damage, like :
Making him a Position 4.
Tough Boots (can also Roam: Dire Hit)
Glowing Wand / Genius Wand / Divine Glaive
Oracle
Brute Force Chestplate
and other Def items, just throw his damage equipments and focus on teamfights or backline pokes, besides, he doesnt have CC.
If ur asking for a suggestion then i guess he don't really need any kind of buff or change in any of his skills....
Simply make his skills animation faster just like hayabusa shadow skill( harith's 2nd skill and enhanced basic attack,his first skill is well balanced).....
But if a change is required in his passive then just make the cc red fixed at 45% ( even for one enemy)so that he can purchase other resilience items for more cc red.......
That's all
I think harith need some adjustments on his basic atk range or maybe add some magic def shred to enemies hitted by his second skill.But please i hope moonton doesn't overbuff him cause he causes really huge pain in my butt back when he was meta.I hate the fact that i am forced to use kaja or chou just to counter him.
Elgin, I do agree with the change of his passive skill. I think they should add the effect like : after dashing increases his damage or defense.
Elgin:"How do I keep catching Selena's second skill?"
Alucard:"Cats............"
Decrease the cd of his 2nd by .5, .5 is big enough and giving him more shield will also be great or maybe increasing the range of his ultimate so its easier for beginners to play him
Catboi needs some love
Elgin's voice sounds like he's always holding back his poop everytime.
Harith was on ban sections for many seasons i remember it and its pretty terrifying to see him as jungle core back then but now new heroes arise
But still can't defeat my harith😂😂😂
Selena's cat fish: I'm going to end this man's whole career.
If I'm the one to change harith's passive, I'll change it to damage reduction up to 45% depending on the number of enemies because harith is always on the Frontline of teamfights that can easily be bursted to death by enemies, also because he's a mage and this passive will work very well for his skill sets.
Something they could do about it passive is either add something related to cd reduction, some type of built-in oracle or a rework
4:54 That was instant Heal Holy sht😂
Maybe making him able to use enhanced basic attack and first skill while moving or dashing during his ult . And make the animation faster too.
His main problem to me is his slow attacks.
I have two things that could work.
One is to give him a cdr passive with the original passive that scales with his level/ulti, 5 - 10%. With this he will 2 less cdr items. He can even just use CR and FoH as his core items and maybe get tough boots to have even more status resistance.
Other than that, maybe he can be immune to cc once when ever his ulti is online.
I’ve never played Harith myself but I have played against a few Harith mains before.I main Marksmen and I usually sustain easily against them,due to mainly using life steal marksmen.
I think he should either have an immobilization effect or silencing effect,to get away from burst characters.Pair that up with dominance ice and he’ll struggle less against meta marksmen.
passive: well I don't know [edit] he gets higher mana Reagen from items
first: still the same, maybe make it change the centre or whatever
second skill: instead of the shield he gets cc resilience and gets both defs based on the enemies
third skill: upon casting it immobilizes the enemies and does continues damage
I personally love playing with harith bursting down enemy hero's easily and he has high outplay potential I think he is fun spaming skills and jumping around but its seems not everyone likes it I think he is most underrated hero
Also I think he is unpopular because he isn't all of those burst mages who stay back or one-shot enemys and run he is mage that needs perfect positioning in team fights also I think he is shadowed by other mages
Old harith:Ey sup people would you like to lose you're health give me a hp and be slowed?
Harith now:NERFED
Always best part of the video "And I Died" :)
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ok do here's a suggestion for his passive, harith's playstyle is mainly around his 2 and 3 so how about this : every 3rd dash harith does within the range of his ultimate he gains 15% magic penetration for 6 seconds this stacks twice this also, harith gains 5% less crowd control duration for every enemy hero that is close to him. if you think this might not be the buff/ passive tweat that he needs then im all ears to hear your ideas! (Edit also for the love of god can moontoon please lower the amount of mana that it takes to cast his skills?)
Love your content I'm a fan when your still making animation
A revamped passive could make use of cooldown reduction instead of cc duration reductoon for every hero around. Making it 5% per hero and maxing up to 10%. That way, we won't have to worry about building cd boots or taking blue buffs.
I feel that in order for harith to be playable is some damage buffs and shield buff. Let the shield scale up with magic and a little bit on HP builds while his damage can be slightly increased
Been experimenting on builds for the current harith. My main problem with him is that if he's the jungler he farms way too slow compared to even jungler tanks. He is also out ranged by most mages in mid and most marksmen in the gold lane. The best build that works FOR ME that I've used is Arcane Boots, Enchanted Talisman, Clock of Destiny, Lightning Truncheon, Holy Crystal and Immortality.
He's squishy
Deals little damage
Small shield
Anti healing/shield made him even more useless
Passive almost useless
You just don't understand harith😉
@@mcderineauigan6750 You need to overpowered the enemy by a lot to make him useful. If it is the same level, he will have a hard time
Gotta agree he is squishy and gets too little shield
@@mcderineauigan6750 ur cringe emoji say all
his damage is bad? fr? his both his 1st and 2nd skill almost have no cd and with calamity reaper it basically enhances damage more with true damage, his problem is his squishy-ness, if you don't have a proper tank that engages first then he'll be trash but considering his damage, both burst and sustain is decent. shield is good enough since you can essentially spam the shit out of your 2nd skill meaning if it gives a lot of shield it'll stack and give you infinite shield, not too balanced at that is it?
My suggestion is for his ULT, like he can reposition it so that the can maximize both passive and ultimate, theres also a delay on casting his 2nd skill coz he backsup a lil bit before dashing, they need to fix that casting animation
I still miss the old harith's ultimate when he spawn that huge sword it will make enemy who stand in that sword will stun that's what I want or maybe the nerfs on hard cc heroes like Franco and Julian
i changing his passive and ultimate would be better as his 1st and 2nd skill is already good enough so heres a suggestion
- passive: if there is a single enemy hero near by harith gains 200 (plus The items magic dmg) magic damage and gains extra magic lifesteal by 450 (plus the items magic spellvamp), however, if there is more than 2 enemy heroes harith gains 10% reduced crowd control effect and an increase of shield gain by 350,(passive increases based on number of enemies)
as for the ultimate
- Ultimate: when harith casts his ultimate slows down enemy heroes by 40% and increase cooldown reduction of 2nd skill, if the enhance basic atttack of harith hits an enemy hero the cooldown of 1st skill resets and gains increased magic damage based on the enemy’s max hp(plus magic items damage)
this is just my suggestion but its not like moonton is gon rework or revamp harith anytime soon anyways
I would like passive to be started from scratch like
“3% dmg reduction without sheild and increases by 3% for enemy heroes near, shield will be based on damage dealt to any ememy unit (heroes, minions and creeps) for 1.75 seconds with a 1 second cooldown, cooldown decreases by 20% for ememies near. As for resilience it will be nerfed to 30% max with the same old mechanic with less value”
This should make him a better team fight iniator (which is technically good since hes a team fight oriented mage)
Sed.
Used to be my favourite hero.
He is still op.
The main reason why I stopped using him was because he was too op and too mandatory in solo ranked games to win every game and it became really boring to a point.
But no doubt I love this hero, as it was with this hero that I was able to beat global trios while I was doing solo. And also this was the hero who helped me get my global rank and supreme rank doing solo rank which was really tough back in the days as he was hardcore extreme meta.