I want to clarify my statement at the end in case it was confusing, I think without a doubt Legacy and SixZero are a much better value than the CRBN1X. Same type of tech, but way cheaper. They absolutely perform just as well. It's going to come down to the small differences in feel between the paddle that may make you want to pick one over the other.
There are likely slight differences in how each feels but it is tough to drop $80+ for the CRBN1 when the Legacy is almost identical and in your spin test outperformed the Power Air.
@@notanotherteenmovie Idk which one he is referring too, but the Black Diamond is the power version and the Double Black Diamond is the control version. The difference is the face material. Black Diamond has the first ever raw composite face. Double Black Diamond has T700 raw carbon fiber.
Awesome review, thanks Chris! I received both the CRBN 1X & 2X (16mm) yesterday and am even more stoked to play with them after watching your video! I agree the 2X handle feels a little more boxy than the 1X but the length and circumference on both feel better to me than the Hyperion. It’s gonna be interesting to see how long the grit on the paddle face lasts because after 4 months with the Ben Johns paddle the forehand side is completely smooth at the sweet spot. I honestly don’t believe a word the PPA says about their paddle grit tests. The Selkirk 002 and Power Air are two of the grittiest paddles I’ve ever felt and I’ve never heard a word about either of them failing. For CRBN to replace all their paddles at their own cost says enough to me about the company, so I’d much rather support them then go with a similar paddle that’s cheaper.
Very good point about supporting a company that bent over backwards to accommodate their present and future clients. You never see larger companies like Selkirk or Paddletek get pointed out for anything. Is much rather support smaller companies that are providing a great product.
On the spreadsheet the CRBN 2X is listed as "Elongated" in error. Also, as of 2/15, I still don't see the spin for that paddle on the spreadsheet. Thank you Chris! You're awesome!
GREAT review. I was an early fan of CRBN before the ban. Then CRBN's response to the ban (offering to replace the original paddles or keep them and get a new one at a substantially reduced price plus an perpetual company discount on future products) won me over with tremendous customer service. I'd go with CRBN even at a higher price over the competitors for that reason, though it's a close call given the size of the price difference.
I would agree with you since I own three CRBN paddles one which I had before the controversy. But they came out to price aggressive with the 1x/2x series when there are very similar paddles offered at $80-$90 less that's just to much of a price difference to have a different logo on your paddle.
I totally agree. Once you throw in Chris's discount code it's even easier to go with a CRBNx. This company not only stood behind their product during the recall but went well beyond what they needed to do to make it right. People always talk about wanting to experience great customer service. This is how you support a company for their efforts IMO. I'm not downplaying the impact of these added dollars because of anyone's financial position. I get it but I look at the quality of the paddle and the track record of the company manufacturing it.
Hey Chris, I think a really great segment to add to your videos would be a spin test when you first get the paddles versus when you are done with your playtest. To basically be able to say how durable the face of the paddle is, and how long it will keep its spin. Thanks for another great review! I would love to see a review on the Legacy Pro!!
I just received my CRBN 1x 14 and it is amazing. Prior to this I used a CRBN 1 16. The difference is like comparing an suv to a sports car. I can't believe how far I can bend the ball on a very fast serve. I am still waiting to receive my CRBN 1x 16 which is supposed to shipped mid February.
Good job. You are very articulate and thorough. I just got my 3x paddle today. I'm excited to give it a try. I had a BD and DBD paddle but sold them. There are great all court paddles but I felt they had too much pop. I hope I like the 3X. My go to paddle right now is the Neonic Flow. I tried a Vatic Pro too but found it too similar to the Neonic which has more power and excellent control. Both of these paddles are plush and easy to play with. Better than my DBD, imho. I also have an Infinity DBD coming and will eventually settle on one more paddle to compliment the Neonic Flow. The Infinity is edgeless so I wanted to give that a try. I will probably had some weight to the sides to increase swing weight. What a great sport that allows so many people to participate and get healthy.
Please consider testing for vibrations on these thermoformed paddles with foam filled edge guards. Love the playing characteristics of my CRBN1 so I’m intrigued by the 1X and similar paddles from Legacy and others. But as someone who’s had elbow surgery and recurring pain I could be swayed by a model that dampens vibrations.
what a sick review - thanks so much! super curios about what your background in video production & presenting/hosting is? This vid was 7 months ago, when did you start reviewing paddles, and what were you doing before that? Always extremely impressed with your production value and maybe even more so by your presentation on camera
I absolutely love my Vatic Pro paddle, so much I decided to join them and become an ambassador to spread the word. I’m not sure if Chris has a discount code for Vatic, but if he doesn’t I have one I can share mine.
Looking forward to your review on the Vatic Pro. I currently use a CRBN1 lead taped at the throat. Love the paddle but curious about the newer raw carbons, not quite ready to sell a kidney for a new gen CRBN.
I got it off Amazon so I have to send it back to get a refund. It was real good in warm ups and the first games before it cracked. I like it better than my joola though, it felt very good on my drops and drives!
Great review, as always. I didn't heed your advice ahead of time and went ahead and pulled the trigger on a Joola BJ Hyperion CFS 14mm (non-swift) as I was coming from the Power Air and wanted something with slightly less power and a little more feel. But after watching this review and playing with what I got, I think I made the right choice. Too much head weight and not enough whippy-ness (is that a word? lol) was my complaint with the 16mm Hyperion and with a little lead tape on the throat and handle of the 14mm, it plays perfectly for my style of game. These sound like I would either have that same issue with the 16 or back to having too much power with the 14. I also hit the ball pretty damn hard and haven't had any issues with clicking or weakness in my Joola so far. 🤞🏻 So overall, glad these are a great option for people, but that 14mm Hyperion hit the goldilocks zone for me personally. Keep up the great work, sir! 👏🏻
Tempted to upgrade to this from my Onix Evoke Premier that is getting pretty worn out. What is the thickness of the Evoke Premier? I can't find it anywhere and I'd like to know so that I can think about choosing the 14 or 16mm thickness for the CRBN
This video recommends 16 for balanced. The Pickleball effect website recommended 14 to me for more balanced play pay and easier swing. I got the 1x 14mm for 10% off
Onix Evoke Premier is 13mm thickness, but these new paddles are way better. that's why he recommends the 16mm. You should consider the Vatic Pro 16MM he mentions. I have a promo code for $10 off, makes it $129.99, unbeatable at that price. very similar to the Legacy Pro and CRBN power series he mentions. let me know if you want the promo code. you can see the specs on amazon for the Vatic Pro paddles. Any of these would be a great upgrade over the Onix though.
The points that you show in the background of your review are amazing! You are definitely a high level player. You must be at least a 4.5. What would you say you are? Your friends are at a similar ridiculously high level as well. You guys get such fun points!
Very informative review, Chris! I'm currently playing with the Icon, so I love the pop and "whippiness" I can do with it in hand battles. My icon is very thin, as you know, and seems to have very little dwell time, which I've adjusted to over the couple years I've been playing with it. Having said that, the tech seems to be progressing so fast, so looking at possibly upgrading. The 14mm 1x seems to be similar to my icon. Would that be a fair assessment? And the Legacy Pro sounds very interesting...love that spin rate!!!. Coming from tennis, I love as much spin as I can get--one reason why I love the icon and it's "ping pong paddle" like surface (yes, I know it didn't get super high numbers but it seems very grippy to me--maybe a mental thing). I might have to bight the bullet and give the Legacy Pro a try. Thanks again!
Chris outstanding video as usual on the much-anticipated CRBN power line. What I'm more interested in is the three cheaper options. I'm looking forward to hearing about what those other options swing weights are. I think the CRBN 1X is the version I would choose but the swing weight is somewhat concerning. I don't find it too heavy to swing but I get irritation in my elbow. I'm thinking Diadem will be following this same path with their new models to be released this year. At most likely the same price as the CRBN's. As a total gear head this new technology is so cool. You should have Brayden on one of your podcasts. As the two top paddle reviewers in the business, it would be great to hear you guys compare ideas and experiences. I'm almost positive I've played with the left hander in your video in Inver Grove. Is his name Chris as well? Are you filming at Lifetime? Thanks Chris great job.
You mentioned the swing weight of the crbn 1x 16mm was 123….do you know what the swing weight is for the original crbn 1? I looked on their website but didn’t see any reference…
The "snapping" thing over the knee is one way to test strength, but I'm sure there is a more safisticated way to measure strength. Maybe securing the handle to a table and drop a certain weight from a certain height onto the face??? Kinda of like the shoe insert and heavy bearing dropped on it test I've seen.???
I’m sure there are much more scientific tests. I just wanted something quick to demonstrate it. If you can’t snap it over your knee, highly unlikely an overhead snaps it.
Hi Chris, I recently watched the video on the legacy pro from Will, I respect your opinions, I was thinking of picking up the Selkirk power Air but having second thoughts. I m now leaning towards the Legacy Pro. You’re thoughts?
Just curious about what’s causing the uptick in spin rate w/the newer T700 paddles. Are they adding grit that will degrade over time or is it just newer manufacturing processes to the carbon fiber itself?
If you look at the Legacy Pro's description, it's using brand-name T700 (Toray) and compressed 8mm honeycomb cells for increased dwell time. I'm no paddle expert, but maybe those are two reasons.
I’m looking at picking up the 1x 16mm but am now seeing there is a 3x in the pipeline. Chris have you had your hands on that yet. I’m wondering if I should wait to pull the trigger?
Thanks Chris another great and timely review. Cool how the technology in the sport is progressing. I can’t wait to hear your thoughts on those other new paddles using similar technologies. One thought on spin rates. I heard a review mentioning a difference in the orientation of the weave used in carbon fiber faces. The idea was that when the long strands are running top to bottom it behaves more like the strings on a tennis racquet as that is the orientation of the paddle most often when trying to impart spin. Sadly, I can’t remember right now who the review was by or for what paddle. Does this sound familiar or even make sense? Bob Benjamin
I want the carbon 1x a few less trips to Starbucks or three less rounds of golf then I can also get the sweat carbon back pack.. look good play good and anyways you have a discount…let’s go!!!! PS: I will send a picture for your iG when it arrives with the back pack
How does the xspak paddle compare to the new crbn 1x 16. You mentioned before that it is basically an exact copy of the crbn 1. Have you had a chance to test that paddle in terms of spin and stuff compared to this new gen of crbn, vatic, and legacy paddles?
Personally I’m excited to get mine. Ordered the 1X at 14mm per the Pickleball effect recommendation. They said it was a good balanced paddle more so than Joola as well as Selkirk.
@@PickleballStudio absolutely sure. I contacted him via email. He was the one who informed me it would come out on January 1st and that he had just received his two for sampling. He didn’t like the original 14 but said this when I asked if I should get 14 or 16 for well balanced game (I am 30 and fit): “I'd recommend the 14. Their new single piece unibody made the paddle more forgiving and a little softer than 14 mm paddles of the past.”
Interesting! I haven’t hit the original 14 so I can’t comment much on that. This is one of the most powerful raw CF paddles I’ve hit. Brayden is legit though, so I’m sure he had solid reasoning.
@@PickleballStudio thanks man, would you say double black Diamond is just as good as 16mm ? Same thought as legacy pro ? I don’t mind spending the extra; just want the best balanced paddle.
Currently own the CRBN2 -16 and 13. I love the feel of the 16mm but still wanted more pop so I'm trying the 13mm. My guess is a should of purchased a 14mm, love the 13mm pop but I seem to pop up kitchen shots when under pressure. Would say the CRBN2X 16mm has the same control and power combination as the CRBN2 14mm?
Good review. I have recently (3 months) purchased and been playing with the Non power series CRBN 14mm. Is the Power X paddle worth the upgrade now or later?
Am a little concerned…great review by the way…I have used a crbn 1 16 mm which I really like but need a new one so got the crbn 1 x….sounds like this will be harder to hit, slower for hand speed?
I’ve got a real problem. I bought a 14mm Carbon 1 from a ‘friend’ and it will pop the ball up in the air for no apparent reason. What can I do to prevent this?
well thought out review. I tried the 16mm CRBN 1X Power series a few days back and loved it. I want to get one but i am wondering if you have tried the Cheetah Predion E16 Raw carbon Fiber paddle? Can you review it?
Personally if you're wanting a carbon fiber paddle, I don't think there's a reason to go outside of CRBN, Legacy, Vatic, or SixZero. I think they've set the new bar in terms of build quality and performance. Looking at the Cheetah's product page, it doesn't seem to offer the new advancements like edge foam, unibody construction, or thermoforming.
@@zachcarmichael699 have you made a review on the SixZero Black Diamond Power and Double Black Diamond Control? I am hoping to get a Six Zero soon in lieu of best price and performance.
Is there a difference between your CRBN1X and the ones with the brighter letters that is on their website now? Your letters seem more muted than the really bright version.
Chris, bought the legacy pro but I’m not happy to much pop for me, I would like a more softer/control is the old CRBNx1 going to play like the legacy? Would the old CBRN1 be a better option.
@@PickleballStudio I was using a gearbox gx6 control but even this paddle I felt I needed more control and thought the high spin ratio with the legacy would help. I would love to buy/try the Selkirk invikta 003 but the cost is more than I want to invest without testing any comparable paddles
@@chuntan3130 Back! I can confirm in my testing that the 16mm has no vibrations. No elbow or arm fatigue after 2 hours of games. Highly recommend it over the 14mm if you're stuck between the two. I went with the 2X just because I prefer square body and shorter handle. On another note, I also tested the Vatic Pro 16mm and it plays IDENTICAL to the CRBN 1X 16mm, in my opinion. So if you were considering the 1X because you like the elongated shape and longer handle, I'd honestly say just get the Vatic Pro and save $90.
@@zachcarmichael699 how much power was lost moving from 14mm to 16mm? I think the comment about elbow vibration will lead me to 16mm but wondered about the power
Love my 2x, but after 3 months of use (5-6 times a week) I'm seeing a lot of loss of grit in the sweet spot. Has anyone else seen their paddle face getting smooth?
Let me clarify existing paddle I have is crbn 1 16 mm which I really like and purchase a crbn 1x 16 mm? Slower hand speed? Harder to hit or less touch? Ty
Great review. Question about the three companies you have listed; what are their warranties like? I checked legacy and couldn’t find a single mention of warranty on their website.
Great review. Could you do a review of the Players Pickleball Rogue 2 carbon sometime? I think it’s an amazing value and made in the USA. It’s my favorite paddle.
Did you experiment at all w/ adding lead tape to the CRBN-1 X 16mm? So far my X seems to play as solid as my reg 16mm w/ lead tape added. Felt the original 16mm needed lead tape at the corners in order to get max performance out of the paddle. Just curious. Thinking it will make the head to heavy but was thinking of adding to the throat to see how it felt.
Just to add to the convo. I added 4" of 1g /inch lead at the throat on each side, as this was my custom on previous paddles Joola Radius and Joola Solaire "swift" 14mm. Removed the tape after one day. Played better and beautifully stock, and I'll take the quicker hand speed at NVZ, and quicker "head speed." on swings when adding topspin, or slice. This paddle is the first paddle I've touched that's an amazing balance of control, with ooomph when desired. Great review, Chris. And thx for the savings with your promo code.
Yes to follow up on what the previous comment said. Legacy currently only has the one model besides the first carbon fiber kids paddle that hit the market
Correct. Though, the Black Diamond is fiberglass and it’s really hard. Easily on par with 14mm or thinner. Legacy has considerable pop for 16mm as well.
Correct. But honestly, I got the CRBN2X 14mm in a couple days ago and was not a fan. Much harder to control the ball compared to the 16mm and I could feel the vibrations. If you're concerned that 16mm is too heavy or not maneuverable, it shouldn't be an issue at all with the 2X because the swing weight is super low. So if you want a widebody shape + shorter handle = go with CRBN2X 16mm. If you want elongated = go Legacy Pro IMO
I’ve been playing with the 1x 14mm for 4 days and I can say I’m so disappointed. As someone who play with the original 1 for 6 months I was thinking the new power series would give me even more power, but the new foam injection feels like the paddle is dead. I’m someone who already has power and with the new 1x series I feel like I have to swing even harder to create power on ground stokes. The paddle has the spin but control is something that is harder to get. The 1x feels slower on fire fights and doesn’t go through the air as quickly as the original series. I’ve had 20 players compare the original series to the power series and everyone feels the difference of power. I will be returning the paddles tomorrow.
Jason, that's so weird. My experience has been the exact opposite and everyone else I've seen online or in person has said the same. The X is wayyy more powerful for me (and I love it!). I also had an OG crbn before that so I have something to compare with. Anyways, not trying to disagree with you, but just saying maybe you got a bad one? I know that can happen from time to time for all companies so I'd try to get an exchange if I were you.
Agreed, my CRBN2X 14mm felt dead -- lots of vibrations and small sweet spot. Returned it and have the Vatic Pro and CRBN2X 16mm on the way. UPDATE: Tried both of these and the Vatic and CBRN Power play near identical. I prefer the CRBN ONLY because I like a square body and shorter handle, but if you are an elongated fan and are debating the 1X, I think the Vatic is basically identical!
I got a 2x 16. Totally dead also. No Power. Less than OG CRBN. I didn't understand why and returned it. Later heard DJ's interview where he said his "CRBNx is not a good paddle", until he breaks it in. I didn't keep mine long enough for that to happen perhaps but I don't agree that it should happen. In my club, we've had four X's delaminate now. That is everybody I know who bought one. In each case, the owner has told me that their paddle felt amazing, great, so much pop, and then too much pop and uncontrollable. Now we have multiple podcasts and youtube vids explaining that phenomenon. This sweet spot time after breaking in may in fact just be a manifestation of the defect (buckled core/delam) that feels good for a while. CRBN has not provided any information on the root cause or how they will prevent recurrence of the problem. They will just ship you a new one. We are in the dark. If the ultimate solution changes the feel and pop that everybody likes, then that would also be bad.
I have the original carbon which I like a lot. I thought I would like the new 1x more but just don’t love it . For me it is too hot. I hit more ball out and have less control. Not loving carbon customer service as they don’t answer e mails about wanting to return it.
And to think a year later after this review, these (including legacy, engage etc) are no longer the power paddles. No thanks Gearbox and Joola - these paddles are still great - why do we have to keep chasing the dragon? "the most powerful paddle outside of the black ace" - can't say that today sadly....
Spoiler -- even Selkirk and Paddletek use Chinese parts. "Assembled in the USA" is just a fancy of way of saying "imported Chinese parts, constructed in USA." Who cares at the end of the day if the paddle performance is good and backed by good customer service/warranty?
I want to clarify my statement at the end in case it was confusing, I think without a doubt Legacy and SixZero are a much better value than the CRBN1X. Same type of tech, but way cheaper. They absolutely perform just as well. It's going to come down to the small differences in feel between the paddle that may make you want to pick one over the other.
Got it so don’t buy this because the other paddles are same/better for $70-80 less. Bye CRBN you greedy bois
There are likely slight differences in how each feels but it is tough to drop $80+ for the CRBN1 when the Legacy is almost identical and in your spin test outperformed the Power Air.
Which SixZero is Chris referring to? Has he listed a preference black diamond or double black.
@@notanotherteenmovie Idk which one he is referring too, but the Black Diamond is the power version and the Double Black Diamond is the control version. The difference is the face material. Black Diamond has the first ever raw composite face. Double Black Diamond has T700 raw carbon fiber.
Do you have a code for the Legacy?
Best reviews on the internet. You answer all the questions. 👍
Awesome review, thanks Chris! I received both the CRBN 1X & 2X (16mm) yesterday and am even more stoked to play with them after watching your video! I agree the 2X handle feels a little more boxy than the 1X but the length and circumference on both feel better to me than the Hyperion. It’s gonna be interesting to see how long the grit on the paddle face lasts because after 4 months with the Ben Johns paddle the forehand side is completely smooth at the sweet spot. I honestly don’t believe a word the PPA says about their paddle grit tests. The Selkirk 002 and Power Air are two of the grittiest paddles I’ve ever felt and I’ve never heard a word about either of them failing. For CRBN to replace all their paddles at their own cost says enough to me about the company, so I’d much rather support them then go with a similar paddle that’s cheaper.
Very good point about supporting a company that bent over backwards to accommodate their present and future clients. You never see larger companies like Selkirk or Paddletek get pointed out for anything. Is much rather support smaller companies that are providing a great product.
Great review! Looking forward to your Legacy review.
On the spreadsheet the CRBN 2X is listed as "Elongated" in error. Also, as of 2/15, I still don't see the spin for that paddle on the spreadsheet. Thank you Chris! You're awesome!
GREAT review. I was an early fan of CRBN before the ban. Then CRBN's response to the ban (offering to replace the original paddles or keep them and get a new one at a substantially reduced price plus an perpetual company discount on future products) won me over with tremendous customer service. I'd go with CRBN even at a higher price over the competitors for that reason, though it's a close call given the size of the price difference.
I would agree with you since I own three CRBN paddles one which I had before the controversy. But they came out to price aggressive with the 1x/2x series when there are very similar paddles offered at $80-$90 less that's just to much of a price difference to have a different logo on your paddle.
I totally agree. Once you throw in Chris's discount code it's even easier to go with a CRBNx. This company not only stood behind their product during the recall but went well beyond what they needed to do to make it right. People always talk about wanting to experience great customer service. This is how you support a company for their efforts IMO. I'm not downplaying the impact of these added dollars because of anyone's financial position. I get it but I look at the quality of the paddle and the track record of the company manufacturing it.
Thanks for clarifying about your voice. I almost didn’t watch until that part😂
Hey Chris, I think a really great segment to add to your videos would be a spin test when you first get the paddles versus when you are done with your playtest. To basically be able to say how durable the face of the paddle is, and how long it will keep its spin. Thanks for another great review! I would love to see a review on the Legacy Pro!!
legacy pro 😍
I just received my CRBN 1x 14 and it is amazing. Prior to this I used a CRBN 1 16. The difference is like comparing an suv to a sports car. I can't believe how far I can bend the ball on a very fast serve. I am still waiting to receive my CRBN 1x 16 which is supposed to shipped mid February.
Please share your thoughts after comparing CRBN 1x 14mm vs 16mm. Thank you!
Yes! That would be fantastic if you could expound on why you prefer the CRBN 1x 14mm to CRBN 1 16mm (been using the 16 CRBN 1 too)
any updates?
Read your review and just got mine in the mail today. Can't wait to use it, I used your code to get 10% off. Thanks!
Good job. You are very articulate and thorough. I just got my 3x paddle today. I'm excited to give it a try. I had a BD and DBD paddle but sold them. There are great all court paddles but I felt they had too much pop. I hope I like the 3X. My go to paddle right now is the Neonic Flow. I tried a Vatic Pro too but found it too similar to the Neonic which has more power and excellent control. Both of these paddles are plush and easy to play with. Better than my DBD, imho. I also have an Infinity DBD coming and will eventually settle on one more paddle to compliment the Neonic Flow. The Infinity is edgeless so I wanted to give that a try. I will probably had some weight to the sides to increase swing weight. What a great sport that allows so many people to participate and get healthy.
So much fun to watching you guys playing, that’s why you said sorry for making us lose focus for your comments, like you guys do much .
Just got my 14mm CRBN2 2x. Better power and spin than my CRBN2 which has added lead. Touch seems better as well. Thanks for the review.
Please consider testing for vibrations on these thermoformed paddles with foam filled edge guards. Love the playing characteristics of my CRBN1 so I’m intrigued by the 1X and similar paddles from Legacy and others. But as someone who’s had elbow surgery and recurring pain I could be swayed by a model that dampens vibrations.
what a sick review - thanks so much! super curios about what your background in video production & presenting/hosting is? This vid was 7 months ago, when did you start reviewing paddles, and what were you doing before that? Always extremely impressed with your production value and maybe even more so by your presentation on camera
Great review! And I’ve gotta say that’s some of the best 3.5 pickleball I’ve ever seen
You’re playing so well. 🙏🙏🙏
04:16 Anyone know what those Chinese Characters say on the paddle handle? Just curious.
I think it translates to "still only a 3.5"
Really stoked to see where this goes with thermoforming
Just ordered the 1x 14mm with your code. Should be here Tuesday 💪
Was waiting for this one and I’m so stoked
The comments on the grip are spot on. I loved the CRBN when I tried it but went with the hyperion soley because of the grip.
bought mine with your code 2 days ago!! Thanks buddy!
Great review and thanks for the video. I got a 14mm crbn 1 last month so it’s a toss up if I now want the 16mm x1 as well 🤔🤔🤔🤷♂️
Will you review the new CRBN 3X ?
I like the review but I was enjoying your game even more. Well done guys.
My 1x 16mm will be here Monday and of course I used code PBSTUDIO!!!
Vatic pro is the best option imo👍🏼. Can’t wait for its review
I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on it myself just waiting to see a few reviews.
I absolutely love my Vatic Pro paddle, so much I decided to join them and become an ambassador to spread the word. I’m not sure if Chris has a discount code for Vatic, but if he doesn’t I have one I can share mine.
@@MiloCornejoPickleball I'd be interested in the discount code if you're willing to share. I was about to order one on Amazon for 139
@@woodsonsanders1112 of course, code: MILO
@@MiloCornejoPickleball just ordered. Thanks so much!
Looking forward to your review on the Vatic Pro. I currently use a CRBN1 lead taped at the throat. Love the paddle but curious about the newer raw carbons, not quite ready to sell a kidney for a new gen CRBN.
I’m all for the Vatic Pro! This is my go to paddle forever more!
I cracked the core of my Vatic pro on the first day :/
@@ayecorey1852 What no way?! Send a message to Vatic and they will help you right away.
I got it off Amazon so I have to send it back to get a refund. It was real good in warm ups and the first games before it cracked. I like it better than my joola though, it felt very good on my drops and drives!
Great review, as always. I didn't heed your advice ahead of time and went ahead and pulled the trigger on a Joola BJ Hyperion CFS 14mm (non-swift) as I was coming from the Power Air and wanted something with slightly less power and a little more feel. But after watching this review and playing with what I got, I think I made the right choice. Too much head weight and not enough whippy-ness (is that a word? lol) was my complaint with the 16mm Hyperion and with a little lead tape on the throat and handle of the 14mm, it plays perfectly for my style of game. These sound like I would either have that same issue with the 16 or back to having too much power with the 14. I also hit the ball pretty damn hard and haven't had any issues with clicking or weakness in my Joola so far. 🤞🏻 So overall, glad these are a great option for people, but that 14mm Hyperion hit the goldilocks zone for me personally. Keep up the great work, sir! 👏🏻
Great review. I think I'm leaning towards the CRBN 1X Power 16mm now over the Selkirk Power Air Invicta after watching this.
In my experience, the Vatic Pro 16mm plays identical to the CRBN 1X Power. Save $90 and just get it.
@@zachcarmichael699 I'll check it out.
This will probably never be seen but I didn’t see in the video if you added lead tape and if so where on the paddle?
Tempted to upgrade to this from my Onix Evoke Premier that is getting pretty worn out. What is the thickness of the Evoke Premier? I can't find it anywhere and I'd like to know so that I can think about choosing the 14 or 16mm thickness for the CRBN
This video recommends 16 for balanced. The Pickleball effect website recommended 14 to me for more balanced play pay and easier swing. I got the 1x 14mm for 10% off
Onix Evoke Premier is 13mm thickness, but these new paddles are way better. that's why he recommends the 16mm. You should consider the Vatic Pro 16MM he mentions. I have a promo code for $10 off, makes it $129.99, unbeatable at that price. very similar to the Legacy Pro and CRBN power series he mentions. let me know if you want the promo code. you can see the specs on amazon for the Vatic Pro paddles. Any of these would be a great upgrade over the Onix though.
The points that you show in the background of your review are amazing! You are definitely a high level player. You must be at least a 4.5. What would you say you are? Your friends are at a similar ridiculously high level as well. You guys get such fun points!
My DUPR is around 4.31. Playing 4.5 at the desert ridge this weekend! We’ll see how I do.
Very informative review, Chris! I'm currently playing with the Icon, so I love the pop and "whippiness" I can do with it in hand battles. My icon is very thin, as you know, and seems to have very little dwell time, which I've adjusted to over the couple years I've been playing with it. Having said that, the tech seems to be progressing so fast, so looking at possibly upgrading. The 14mm 1x seems to be similar to my icon. Would that be a fair assessment? And the Legacy Pro sounds very interesting...love that spin rate!!!. Coming from tennis, I love as much spin as I can get--one reason why I love the icon and it's "ping pong paddle" like surface (yes, I know it didn't get super high numbers but it seems very grippy to me--maybe a mental thing). I might have to bight the bullet and give the Legacy Pro a try. Thanks again!
Chris outstanding video as usual on the much-anticipated CRBN power line. What I'm more interested in is the three cheaper options. I'm looking forward to hearing about what those other options swing weights are. I think the CRBN 1X is the version I would choose but the swing weight is somewhat concerning. I don't find it too heavy to swing but I get irritation in my elbow. I'm thinking Diadem will be following this same path with their new models to be released this year. At most likely the same price as the CRBN's. As a total gear head this new technology is so cool. You should have Brayden on one of your podcasts. As the two top paddle reviewers in the business, it would be great to hear you guys compare ideas and experiences. I'm almost positive I've played with the left hander in your video in Inver Grove. Is his name Chris as well? Are you filming at Lifetime? Thanks Chris great job.
You mentioned the swing weight of the crbn 1x 16mm was 123….do you know what the swing weight is for the original crbn 1? I looked on their website but didn’t see any reference…
Im coming from a joola perseus 14mm, wanting to try the crbn. Which model is closer or has better power? The 1x or 3x? 14 or 16mm? Thanks.
Hi there do you recommend putting an overgrip on the 1x 16mm? Or replace the grip? Thanks!
Chris what about the Thomas Wilson 12mm 1X???
The "snapping" thing over the knee is one way to test strength, but I'm sure there is a more safisticated way to measure strength. Maybe securing the handle to a table and drop a certain weight from a certain height onto the face??? Kinda of like the shoe insert and heavy bearing dropped on it test I've seen.???
I’m sure there are much more scientific tests. I just wanted something quick to demonstrate it. If you can’t snap it over your knee, highly unlikely an overhead snaps it.
Hi Chris, I recently watched the video on the legacy pro from Will, I respect your opinions, I was thinking of picking up the Selkirk power Air but having second thoughts. I m now leaning towards the Legacy Pro. You’re thoughts?
The 1X 16mm has a swing weight of 123! (From your stats spreadsheet) whats the pros and cons?
Do you prefer the 16mm or the 14mm double black diamond? I been using the 14mm mostly
Just curious about what’s causing the uptick in spin rate w/the newer T700 paddles. Are they adding grit that will degrade over time or is it just newer manufacturing processes to the carbon fiber itself?
If you look at the Legacy Pro's description, it's using brand-name T700 (Toray) and compressed 8mm honeycomb cells for increased dwell time. I'm no paddle expert, but maybe those are two reasons.
I’m looking at picking up the 1x 16mm but am now seeing there is a 3x in the pipeline. Chris have you had your hands on that yet. I’m wondering if I should wait to pull the trigger?
Thanks Chris another great and timely review. Cool how the technology in the sport is progressing. I can’t wait to hear your thoughts on those other new paddles using similar technologies. One thought on spin rates. I heard a review mentioning a difference in the orientation of the weave used in carbon fiber faces. The idea was that when the long strands are running top to bottom it behaves more like the strings on a tennis racquet as that is the orientation of the paddle most often when trying to impart spin. Sadly, I can’t remember right now who the review was by or for what paddle. Does this sound familiar or even make sense?
Bob Benjamin
Would love to know this answer as well.
Do you use lead tape on the 1X? If so, where and how much?
Great reviews! Thanks!
How is adding an overgrip going to accentuate the bevels on the grip? It's going to do the opposite and make them less discernable
It wouldn’t help the bevels. I just think I’d notice the square feel less with a bigger grip since the 2X is a pretty small grip.
I want the carbon 1x a few less trips to Starbucks or three less rounds of golf then I can also get the sweat carbon back pack.. look good play good and anyways you have a discount…let’s go!!!!
PS: I will send a picture for your iG when it arrives with the back pack
How does the xspak paddle compare to the new crbn 1x 16. You mentioned before that it is basically an exact copy of the crbn 1. Have you had a chance to test that paddle in terms of spin and stuff compared to this new gen of crbn, vatic, and legacy paddles?
Is the grip of 2x is more like Joola CFS 16? and how about the power of 2x 14 mm is that the same with 1x 16 or more less?
Personally I’m excited to get mine. Ordered the 1X at 14mm per the Pickleball effect recommendation. They said it was a good balanced paddle more so than Joola as well as Selkirk.
Are you sure? PBEffect hasn’t reviewed the 1X 14mm yet. That paddle is very poppy and not a balance of control and power.
@@PickleballStudio absolutely sure. I contacted him via email. He was the one who informed me it would come out on January 1st and that he had just received his two for sampling. He didn’t like the original 14 but said this when I asked if I should get 14 or 16 for well balanced game (I am 30 and fit): “I'd recommend the 14. Their new single piece unibody made the paddle more forgiving and a little softer than 14 mm paddles of the past.”
Interesting! I haven’t hit the original 14 so I can’t comment much on that. This is one of the most powerful raw CF paddles I’ve hit.
Brayden is legit though, so I’m sure he had solid reasoning.
@@PickleballStudio thanks man, would you say double black Diamond is just as good as 16mm ? Same thought as legacy pro ? I don’t mind spending the extra; just want the best balanced paddle.
Currently own the CRBN2 -16 and 13. I love the feel of the 16mm but still wanted more pop so I'm trying the 13mm. My guess is a should of purchased a 14mm, love the 13mm pop but I seem to pop up kitchen shots when under pressure. Would say the CRBN2X 16mm has the same control and power combination as the CRBN2 14mm?
I haven’t hit the 14mm, so I can’t say, unfortunately.
@@PickleballStudioWould you say comparing both 16mm versions the CRBN2x has more pop than the original?
Can you do a review on elbow friendly paddle? Thx
Good review. I have recently (3 months) purchased and been playing with the Non power series CRBN 14mm. Is the Power X paddle worth the upgrade now or later?
Am a little concerned…great review by the way…I have used a crbn 1 16 mm which I really like but need a new one so got the crbn 1 x….sounds like this will be harder to hit, slower for hand speed?
Okay need your opinion I am looking for a paddle I want the feel of the of the Hyperion with a light swing weight
Closest option is probably a Vision. It’s not going to feel identical though.
I just looked us SixZero and it is priced at $180(not $160). Love your videos. Great analysis and presentation.
Interesting! I swear that was $160 just a few days ago…thanks for the correction.
@@PickleballStudio I think every time you mention the paddle price goes up $20.
Super review, wonder about durability and elbow issues due to extension into handle
The unibody construction improves durability compared to regular paddle.
Wonder they it compare to the 3X
Does legacy, six zero or Vatic only offer elongated options?
Buddy cooking up a 5 course meal at 10:06
I’ve got a real problem. I bought a 14mm Carbon 1 from a ‘friend’ and it will pop the ball up in the air for no apparent reason. What can I do to prevent this?
well thought out review. I tried the 16mm CRBN 1X Power series a few days back and loved it. I want to get one but i am wondering if you have tried the Cheetah Predion E16 Raw carbon Fiber paddle? Can you review it?
Personally if you're wanting a carbon fiber paddle, I don't think there's a reason to go outside of CRBN, Legacy, Vatic, or SixZero. I think they've set the new bar in terms of build quality and performance. Looking at the Cheetah's product page, it doesn't seem to offer the new advancements like edge foam, unibody construction, or thermoforming.
@@zachcarmichael699 have you made a review on the SixZero Black Diamond Power and Double Black Diamond Control? I am hoping to get a Six Zero soon in lieu of best price and performance.
Any pref between Vatic, Leg, and Six? Thinking of giving in to curiosity and trying one out
Is there a difference between your CRBN1X and the ones with the brighter letters that is on their website now? Your letters seem more muted than the really bright version.
Just different colors
Thanks for the vid just bought the Power 16mm, pray for me. I used your promo code hope you get some cheddar.
Chris, bought the legacy pro but I’m not happy to much pop for me, I would like a more softer/control is the old CRBNx1 going to play like the legacy? Would the old CBRN1 be a better option.
Depends how much softer you want. What paddle did you come from?
@@PickleballStudio I was using a gearbox gx6 control but even this paddle I felt I needed more control and thought the high spin ratio with the legacy would help. I would love to buy/try the Selkirk invikta 003 but the cost is more than I want to invest without testing any comparable paddles
Anyone notice about the vibration of 14mm when blocking a hard drive? Do you feel shoulder irritating after few hours of play with 14mm? Thank you!
Yeah, I ended up returning the 14mm because I felt too much vibration. The 16mm will be here today, so I'll update this after playing a bit with it
@@zachcarmichael699 thanks for the reply. Please let me know your comments on 16mm later😊
@@chuntan3130 Back! I can confirm in my testing that the 16mm has no vibrations. No elbow or arm fatigue after 2 hours of games. Highly recommend it over the 14mm if you're stuck between the two. I went with the 2X just because I prefer square body and shorter handle.
On another note, I also tested the Vatic Pro 16mm and it plays IDENTICAL to the CRBN 1X 16mm, in my opinion. So if you were considering the 1X because you like the elongated shape and longer handle, I'd honestly say just get the Vatic Pro and save $90.
@@zachcarmichael699 how much power was lost moving from 14mm to 16mm? I think the comment about elbow vibration will lead me to 16mm but wondered about the power
Love my 2x, but after 3 months of use (5-6 times a week) I'm seeing a lot of loss of grit in the sweet spot. Has anyone else seen their paddle face getting smooth?
Let me clarify existing paddle I have is crbn 1 16 mm which I really like and purchase a crbn 1x 16 mm? Slower hand speed? Harder to hit or less touch? Ty
If you’re happy with it, I personally wouldn’t upgrade.
@@PickleballStudio will try it for a week and see what the differences are….will shoot you a quick note. Thx your comment makes sense.
Is this filmed in a facility near Boise?
Great review.
Question about the three companies you have listed; what are their warranties like? I checked legacy and couldn’t find a single mention of warranty on their website.
Vatic Pro has a 6 month warranty free of defects 👌
6 months warranty. 30 days money back.
@@MiloCornejoPickleball Vatic is 4 months, not 6. Legacy is 6 months. CRBN is 6 months.
@@zachcarmichael699 Hmm okay good to know. Also I see Vatic offers a 30 day trial period too.
Can you do a vatic pro review
Planning on it.
4:38 XS22 = XSpak
Great review. Could you do a review of the Players Pickleball Rogue 2 carbon sometime? I think it’s an amazing value and made in the USA. It’s my favorite paddle.
Planning on it!
@@PickleballStudio Everyone gives Joola all the credit for the foam infused core, but Player's Rogue 2 had gel infused core way before.
@@ernie_bot Joola doesn't have a foam-infused core...it's foam around the perimeter (edge) of the paddle.
How does the 1x compare to a Electrum model E?
A lot more power than the model e, more spin, less flex(more stiff). Id say better paddle overall, but slightly worse for control.
@@dychax707 thanks. I like more of a control paddle.
Did you experiment at all w/ adding lead tape to the CRBN-1 X 16mm? So far my X seems to play as solid as my reg 16mm w/ lead tape added. Felt the original 16mm needed lead tape at the corners in order to get max performance out of the paddle. Just curious. Thinking it will make the head to heavy but was thinking of adding to the throat to see how it felt.
I didn’t. I really liked how it played and didn’t want more weight.
@@PickleballStudio Thanks. Those are my intial thoughts as well. did you put an overgrip over the original grip or strip it and then add one?
Just to add to the convo. I added 4" of 1g /inch lead at the throat on each side, as this was my custom on previous paddles Joola Radius and Joola Solaire "swift" 14mm. Removed the tape after one day. Played better and beautifully stock, and I'll take the quicker hand speed at NVZ, and quicker "head speed." on swings when adding topspin, or slice. This paddle is the first paddle I've touched that's an amazing balance of control, with ooomph when desired. Great review, Chris. And thx for the savings with your promo code.
I’ve been looking at legacy and just to clarify, is it the legacy pro paddle? I can’t tell if it’s tournament approved either. Any help?
Yes its the Legacy pro and yes its tournament approved.
Yes to follow up on what the previous comment said. Legacy currently only has the one model besides the first carbon fiber kids paddle that hit the market
Legacy and 6.0 don't have the 14mm option tho correct, only 16mm? (ps great review as always)
Correct. Though, the Black Diamond is fiberglass and it’s really hard. Easily on par with 14mm or thinner. Legacy has considerable pop for 16mm as well.
Correct. But honestly, I got the CRBN2X 14mm in a couple days ago and was not a fan. Much harder to control the ball compared to the 16mm and I could feel the vibrations. If you're concerned that 16mm is too heavy or not maneuverable, it shouldn't be an issue at all with the 2X because the swing weight is super low. So if you want a widebody shape + shorter handle = go with CRBN2X 16mm. If you want elongated = go Legacy Pro IMO
Is Legacy Pro USAPA approved? Eyeing a new paddle, but would like to make sure it’s usable in a tournament.
The Vatic Pro offers both 16mm and 14mm
@@PickleballStudio which black Diamond are you trying ? The double black is the one I am looking at/ website says toray carbon
What shoes do you have on in the video?
Head Revolt 4.0
@@PickleballStudio thank you
Chris Captain Falcon taught you better...you have to jump into the air and give it the Knee of Justice "SHOW ME YOUR MOVES"
I’ve been playing with the 1x 14mm for 4 days and I can say I’m so disappointed. As someone who play with the original 1 for 6 months I was thinking the new power series would give me even more power, but the new foam injection feels like the paddle is dead. I’m someone who already has power and with the new 1x series I feel like I have to swing even harder to create power on ground stokes. The paddle has the spin but control is something that is harder to get. The 1x feels slower on fire fights and doesn’t go through the air as quickly as the original series. I’ve had 20 players compare the original series to the power series and everyone feels the difference of power. I will be returning the paddles tomorrow.
Jason, that's so weird. My experience has been the exact opposite and everyone else I've seen online or in person has said the same. The X is wayyy more powerful for me (and I love it!). I also had an OG crbn before that so I have something to compare with. Anyways, not trying to disagree with you, but just saying maybe you got a bad one? I know that can happen from time to time for all companies so I'd try to get an exchange if I were you.
Agreed, my CRBN2X 14mm felt dead -- lots of vibrations and small sweet spot. Returned it and have the Vatic Pro and CRBN2X 16mm on the way.
UPDATE: Tried both of these and the Vatic and CBRN Power play near identical. I prefer the CRBN ONLY because I like a square body and shorter handle, but if you are an elongated fan and are debating the 1X, I think the Vatic is basically identical!
I got a 2x 16. Totally dead also. No Power. Less than OG CRBN. I didn't understand why and returned it. Later heard DJ's interview where he said his "CRBNx is not a good paddle", until he breaks it in. I didn't keep mine long enough for that to happen perhaps but I don't agree that it should happen. In my club, we've had four X's delaminate now. That is everybody I know who bought one. In each case, the owner has told me that their paddle felt amazing, great, so much pop, and then too much pop and uncontrollable. Now we have multiple podcasts and youtube vids explaining that phenomenon. This sweet spot time after breaking in may in fact just be a manifestation of the defect (buckled core/delam) that feels good for a while. CRBN has not provided any information on the root cause or how they will prevent recurrence of the problem. They will just ship you a new one. We are in the dark. If the ultimate solution changes the feel and pop that everybody likes, then that would also be bad.
Commenting for the allegory of rhythms
I have the original carbon which I like a lot. I thought I would like the new 1x more but just don’t love it . For me it is too hot. I hit more ball out and have less control. Not loving carbon customer service as they don’t answer e mails about wanting to return it.
what is pickleball
Pickleball is the fastest growing sport in the world.
Of course he abuses his equipment in the Cubicle hoodie :3
And to think a year later after this review, these (including legacy, engage etc) are no longer the power paddles. No thanks Gearbox and Joola - these paddles are still great - why do we have to keep chasing the dragon? "the most powerful paddle outside of the black ace" - can't say that today sadly....
Anyone only getting audio in one ear?
Nathaniel Springs
Camila Landing
McKenzie Plain
Reinhold Highway
Daren Hill
Leffler Trace
The real catch is you're paying 200 after tax for a Chinese paddle.
Spoiler -- even Selkirk and Paddletek use Chinese parts. "Assembled in the USA" is just a fancy of way of saying "imported Chinese parts, constructed in USA." Who cares at the end of the day if the paddle performance is good and backed by good customer service/warranty?
Stefanie Canyon
Daphne Cliff
Lisandro Station