Three thing that stood out in this video to me that you just don’t hear much today. Boys and girls, back of your pickup, and look you in the eye. Those are all sayings I would commonly hear from my grandfathers. Thank you EC for being truthful and honest in your review.
So i like the fact that you went beyond the safety and actually showed some great key features of the tool that may actually make it better than its competition. Keep up the good work!
I agree. Your video in one of the few that assumes we know about the safety features and you showed us the features. So many SS videos show us over and over and over the hot dog and seem to forget we are getting the Saw to cut wood and we want to learn how it does it's main job. Thank you for giving us the information we need.
I feel like I just watched a real pro demonstrate this saw . You did a great job. I am a 67 year old retired carpenter . Based on your review which made sense to me I am going to buy this model. You did a real no nonsense review that kept my attention. Ty.
The rack/pinion fence and table extension are both DeWalt innovations. I’m glad to see another manufacturer finally implement them. The added safety of the Sawstop, along with the side handle seem to make this saw a clear winner. I look forward to using on someday.
My Milwaukee has a fence almost identical to that. The difference I noticed was I have a lock lever under the table his locks with the knob. Milwaukee even has the thin fence for wide cuts.
Nice review, always great content. Just had a second child and my wife isn’t going back to work so I’ll be the sole provider , I think I’m going to pony up and buy this saw to help stay safe.cheers
I got to use a full size Saw Stop table saw when I took a shop class through Mesa Community College. It was, hands down, one of the best tools I've ever used. I knew right away that any mistakes on my cuts were my own fault or not. I wouldn't mind owning the CTS model as it seems perfect for a garage/hobbyist level of work, and you can't beat the size.
The Dewalt saws have had the rack and pinion fence for a long time. Also they have the fence drop down too. So that is the same. I do like that other features you talked about though. If I had the money. Of course it wasn't available when I was still working.
Best thing my boss ever did was getting a Sawstop contractor saw for our shop ,fit and finish is awesome and works perfectly for the shops needs , I can’t believe a shop owner would even blink at the cost of this saw with this safety technology,as soon as our company’s owner saw it he ordered it the same day for us .
@@anthonyrodrigues5032 I doubt it even entered his thoughts , he’s been in the same industry(R%D aerospace) for 50+ years and seen enough blood spilled in his time , the last thing he or anyone in our shop wants to see and deal with is an another accident , we’re a small company most of the employees have been there 10+ years including 5 of which are family members. In my 25 years there , there’s been very few accidents thank Yah .
I’m retired and a few years back gave away my job site table saw after a near miss on my right hand. considering buying a different home and remodeling it, if I do it will be with a Saw Stop. Thanks for the clear review.
I've been doing hardwood flooring for 33+ years and love my Dewalt job site table saw. I would gladly pay more for a safer tool. I've been self employed and on single income for last 25 years so i don't like to replace good working tools. ( saw stop is 3x as much as my dewalt). It would be nice if it was a little more reasonable or if all table saw manufacturers used the technology.
I actually just ordered this saw (10/07/23) you and a few others helped my decision along with showing my wife the safety feature video then showing her my pointer finger where I cut it pretty bad at work many years ago where they could only glue the tip where your fingerprint is back to close the gap thanks again for the video
I know Saw Stop will like to hear my comment. I have wanted a Saw Stop for some time, but price was prohibitive for me. I have a large heavy contractor's saw, with cast iron extensions on each side, in my shop that has been passed down for two or three generations. It's a good, very powerful saw, but it throws sawdust all over my shop. I have even boxed in the lower section and added a dust port. It helps some, but that's all. I liked the small amount of dust thrown at you in the demo. I can live with that. I also liked that the dust port was actually discharging the majority of the dust. I can contain that easily. When you started the demo, I immediately thought "I need to rip 1/2 sheets of ply sometimes, and there are no extensions". Then you demonstrated the rack extending the support to 25". That peaked my attention for sure. I am still on the fence whether to replace my saw or purchase a panel saw. Price may play a part in my decision, but not totally. I want function. Being retired, I don't cut as many sheets of ply as I once did, but when I do, I don't want dust covering my whole shop. This would not take up as much precious space as my saw currently does. You gave me something to think about. Thanks. One more thing. I have had a smaller Craftsman bandsaw for 30 years. It's served me well for my home duties. But last year I purchased a high-end band saw and was totally blown away with the difference. In short, my bandsaw has become my go-to as long as the material will fit within the nice throat size. Most of my projects today fit nicely. It is powerful and very accurate. Only when it doesn't allow the width I need, then I go to my table saw. Something for you to think about if you don't have a substantial bandsaw.
I have an old delta unisaw if I was going to buy new saw I would buy a sawstop because of the safety feature alone. I frequently rip wet wood but I can turn off the feature. Sawstop was smart to give their products to you. At the time posted you have 1.27 M subs. They would be crazy not to just for product placement. I have enjoyed your content over the years.
Scott, would you have gone out and spent your own money on these saws just to write an unbiased review? They're not cheap. And lets leave the litigation costs out of the argument.
I'm just getting started on getting tools for woodworking. I'm in the market for my first table saw (I can't wait to have my own lol) and after this review, I'm completely sold. The peace of mind the saw stop allows while at this price point makes it a no brainer for me. We have a big saw stop at work and I was worried this little version wouldn't be worth it. Boy am I glad to be wrong
Mr. Wadsworth, I love your channel and will continue to be a supporter of it. That said, this particular video strikes me as being a little superficial in the depth of the discussion. Several of the features you highlighted and ascribed to Saw Stop's good ideas have been present on my safety yellow saw for a number of years - specifically the rack and pinion fence, the flip stop for table extension, and the push stick storage. Mind you, I'm no apologist for the safety yellow brand; my power tool collection is sort of a mixed bag of colors. I also acknowledge that Saw Stop's safety innovation could be a real game-changer, but as long as it's patented technology, that puts it out of reach of many folks like me until the free market brings the cost down. Respectfully, sir, this video was not up to your usual standard - just my opinion - and will be the first (and I hope the last) time that I don't click the like button. Thanks for listening.
Agreed. Plus the blade guard doesn’t do any good packed away in the storage bin. Put it on and use it. The SawStop technology is designed to prevent amputations but the injuries caused by contacting the blade can still be disabling.
I have the safety yellow jobsite saw. I bought it for basic, occasional woodworking or remodeling. It works fine for my use. I've been around table saws my entire life. No one should get complacent when using any saw. Nonetheless, the safety built into this saw is definitely a smart investment. Everything else looks to be standard issue.
I bought this saw a few months ago. I love it! I calibrated it and it doesn't leave any blade marks anymore. It has plenty of power. I was about to go try it out on a piece of 3" maple. I know for sure it will cut it no problem.
Ladies and gentlemen, if you’ve watched this man’s earlier videos (specifically the ones discussing safety vs personal limits) you’ll understand how monumental this endorsement is.
It’s unbelievable people complaining sawstop don’t give away their tech. They came from nothing and developed this device, offered it to manufacturers on license, they refused, presumably thinking they could copy it, but the patents were sewn up tight. It’s not even a complicated idea. Run an electric current through the blade. If the existing companies couldn’t be bothered developing this first, that’s their problem.
I am looking at getting this saw for a few reasons, my shop is small so a full size saw won’t fit, I currently have the Metabo job site table saw, while it’s a really good saw I like the piece of mind in the SS. Also let’s say the new I phone is like 1200 bucks people pay that without hesitation and it lasts like 3 years the SS compact is roughly 1000 and would last longer than the phone
You do have to spend some time setting the saw up... blade, fence, etc. But once done, the saw is great. Fairly compact which is Nice ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxXh-4_3-ZT1fFWP91ZV7iVqzElr0lEb-a I did get an Incra Miter Gauge which takes some setup as well. The stock miter gauge can be adjusted in the miter slot with a little painter's tape... this tightens up the side to side play a lot.
Lee Valley here in Ottawa demonstrates the ‘stop’ every Saturday for any locals. It is very impressive - and loud enough to get the attention of the whole store.
Wow! Take it easy man... it's not a shop saw, it's only a portable saw. Don't push the wood so hard and fast through it! Lol Keep it up, you make this saw look quite capable. 😀
Looks like they didn’t skip much. Glad you didn’t try out the STOP part! 😮 My old “Dept store” brand is working, but chattering a bit too much these days. Thanks for the info!
YES, it's worth it! If I didn't have my Sawstop last year, I'd be missing two fingers. My injury was much worse than the usual ones (horrendous pain and needed 16 stitches) but that's not the saw's fault. It absolutely astounds me that people say "nah, it's too expensive", as though hand surgery isn't waaaay more expensive (and you still lose a finger!). I knew a guy who needed 7 surgeries, at a cost of a quarter million, and he still lost a finger. I get it if you use a table saw only once in a while. It's hard to justify the expense for that. But anyone who uses one more often than that is an idiot if they don't have one. Yes, I said that. Find a way to afford it. You don't need that latte or that nice restaurant meal, you need your fingers. Yes, my injury was avoidable. Yes, I was doing something stupid. But people do stupid things. We forget, we don't pay attention, we think "this one time will be fine". I don't care how safe you are or how long you've been using a table saw, this isn't a luxury doodad, it's the equivalent of a fire extinguisher. Fires happen despite our best intentions and safety-mindedness. It's no different with a saw.
@@johnsrabe Thanks to someone pushing me to go to the ER and get stitches, my finger looks pretty normal, though one can see three saw tooth-width "seams" in my skin. I've never felt that kind of acute pain before, including when I put my finger in a running fan on a big window A/C unit. My injury was worse than what Sawstop shows because my hand went into the blade from the side, so the blade retracted across my finger instead of away from it. But still, I'm just blown away by how well it worked! I heard a bang and then looked down and got the dreaded "how bad is this?" feeling. Lots of blood and screaming, but WOW would the damage have been horribly worse if I hadn't invested in a Sawstop in 2015. I saw it as a "I can't afford not to have this" situation, and I actually put it on a credit card, it was that important to me.
I own 2 Sawstop saws. I’d say this to someone who says they cant justify the cost for occasional use……”take your project to someone who does own a Sawstop and let them do your cutting for you.”
@@bmay8818 Probably good you can see those seams as a reminder; glad to hear it works. I have lots of hand scars and stitches but oddly none from power tools. Several involve a beef roast, a sharp knife, and glasses of wine. I’ve also shoved a chisel into my hand, sliced a beautiful crescent on the sharp underside of a steel washer lid, and - horsing around in the dorm - slammed my finger in a fire door. The novocaine shot into the knuckle for that one was the most intense pain I’ve ever felt.
@@johnsrabe Oh yeah, the anesthetic shot they gave me before stitching my hand was horrifically painful, worse than the pain from the injury (but shorter-lived). I didn't expect that. I've got just the one injury from power tools, but other scars from other tools. Slamming your hand in a door sounds really painful! I bet you didn't do that again.
I’m impressed with the features and build quality, which make me a lot more likely to buy the saw than the bladestop. But it seems like the saw is a must buy for three groups: 1. Anybody who is using the saw on a job site where the saw will be unsupervised for 1 second or more. That $300 is cheap insurance against a lawsuit … which will cost you much more even if you win. 2. Woodworkers who can admit to themselves that they have some bad safety habits. That’s a mature person and $300 is not much to prevent them from doing something more stupid than usual. (Seriously no judgement here; we all have failings.) 3. Like Scott, anybody who has young people in their workshop. Kids should have ten healthy fingers to pick their noses and put in pies and such. Me, I have never put my finger near a table saw blade since c1980 when my brother in law scolded me for doing it. All he said was, “You know how stupid that was, don’t you?” It’s stuck with me ever since. I’m much more worried about kickback and losing an eye to a flying piece of wood. Last thing: If you don’t have a Makita track saw, get one and you’ll find yourself using your tablesaw a lot less.
I would GLADLY paint you a picture (I am not an artist at all) and be happy as all get out to listen to you tell me how terrible it is. Scott, you're a swell guy. Thank you for the ridiculously uncomplicated, refreshing content. Nate, you're no slouch either. Thanks guys!!
I'm pretty impressed, honestly in my opinion this seems better than the Festool SawStop that I've used a few times. Very disappointed with that one, maybe problems on my end but it felt very rickety and had several issues surprisingly
I have yet to see anyone test the stop feature on their own finger? It’s a wonderful feature but hope it doesn’t lead to overconfidence. I am terrified of my tablesaw and I think it’s a good thing!
I have the Bosch 4100 jobsite saw and I can't think of a better saw for the price, especially with the 'gravity rise' stand. The nice feature of the Bosch is that you move the fence to right end of the table, flip a lever underneath and an entire section of the table slides over for rips up to 31". If you can get the Euro version, it even comes with a sliding cross-cut table on the left side of the blade. When it comes down to it, I don't get my fingers close enough to the blade on a jobsite saw to need the safety features of a Saw Stop. In fact, even on my big General table saw in the shop, it's that respect that makes me think of safety all the time. And let's be honest, I simply can't afford a Saw Stop.
You don't get your fingers close to the blade.... yea, yea. Heard that over and over. Trust me, you are not immune to complacency and you are not invisible to change. Becareful of hubris. I truly hope you never have a saw I jury. I understand the cost of these tools, but they pale in comparison to the medical bills and the way your life is permanently altered.
Bosch had a different version of the Sawstop safety system that was cheaper to reset and Sawstop/festool sued them for patent infringement and they couldn't sell it
I was thinking THOUSANDS for a jobsite but NO. Under a thousand and within a few hundred bucks of most of the other jobsite saws. What's a finger worth?
I broke my ankle one time. Didn't have insurance at that moment..cost me 3,500. Went to catch a candle that someone knocked over. Got both my hands. Wasn't the worst burn I ever had. Cost me 4,500. Went to u of m ann arbor both times not sure that makes a difference.
Scott, I know you don't like safety rules and all that, but even a Sawstop can have kickback which is also very dangerous. Cutting off the end of a board freehand for example is just asking for a bad day.
The Essential Craftsman needs a saw stop. That stepping around the saw to drag the board through the blade is sketchy. Make yourself a push stick and stay safe.
I've been using a tablesaw since I was around 8. Taught with care by two grandpas and a father. Those three passed with 10 fingers apiece in their 70s and 80s. Im 57. Still have all the dgits. No fancy saw replaces common sense
You're right, but common sense also says that, if there's a thing you can buy that eliminates the possibility of horrific, painful, life-changing injuries, you should buy it. If you have a fire extinguisher in your place, you understand the value of a Sawstop.
…actually, in this case it does…that’s what’s “fancy” about it…helps the rest of us that got shorted in the common sense department…or is that too empathetic?..
That's great, and as long as we only allowed people running saws who had the benefit of being taught by their parents and grandparents at an early age, I'm sure this would be unnecessary. Unfortunately not much construction would get done because 98% of the work force hasn't had that benefit and is liable to make mistakes sometimes.
When I saw the other jobsite version of the sawstop saw, I thought for you guys in America surely that's worth the investment in case of loosing finger or having to have hand reconstruction surgery? I mean how much would something like that cost in USA?
At $1100 dollars for saw and stand and shipping...they can keep it. Considering my Metabo 10" has all the bells and whistles that this one does at half the price...and it comes with built in stand and wheels! I cant justify it, im sure some bigger companies can....by the same token...i do not let helpers use the table saw. Thanks for the video EC. Love your content!
In the "The most impressive workbench I've ever seen" video, you mention that you'll be making a follow-up video to show its construction. Is that video still in the works?
Thank you for the great video, I’m seriously considering getting this one, I currently have the Metabo jobsite table saw. It is a really good saw but would like to have the piece of mind In the Saw Stop.
This saw uses a lot of the same great items from the Dewalt. I prefer the Bosch Reaxx system which is a much better implementation of the safety stop feature where you don't kill your blade but SawStop saw fit to stop that. Props to the inventor for coming up with the idea but his licensing fees were way too high.
I have an orange version of one of these. B&D I hate the fence on mine. 90° isn't 90°. Also It doesn't have the safety stuff. Personally I think it could do with an extention on the back to support whatever is coming off of the saw. Shame we can't get that brand here in NZ.
Is a saw stop worth it? You think you even have to ask?? Its unquestionably a yes answer. I thought they were too expensive... But my medical bills would have paid for several of their top line, 5 hp cabinet saws.
At $899.00 starting without the table, it's not tooo bad price wise either, considering the appalling job places like dewalt have been putting out for not much less. Even though I am in the uk, I may consider one of these in the future.
As a freelance court reporter for 22 years in the legal profession, I’ve taken verbatim testimony from many 20- and 30-year experienced professional woodworkers who have cut off fingers from using a table saw. Their lives were changed and most had to find other work because they could not hold and manipulate wood stock like they did before the accident. Several of those accidents were NOT due to operator error, and were simply the wood reacting badly. So, I ask you: Are your fingers worth protecting, at any price? I shudder every time a newbie brags about how he saved $300 by buying some other brand of table saw, one without the protecting brake of a SawStop. Why would you risk your fingers for $300? Insane. As a long-time woodworker as my avocation, I’ve watched my father, with 70 years of table saw experience, and my brother, with 30 years of woodworking experience cut their fingers badly on a saw blade that had NO brake system. If you are a woodworker, it’s not a matter of IF you’ll ever come into contact with a table saw blade, it’s when. I for one purchased a SawStop because my fingers are worth the small extra expense for that safety feature.
"Several of those accidents were NOT due to operator error, and were simply the wood reacting badly. " This is just wrong. There's no such thing as wood "reacting badly". Avoiding getting injured is as simple as using push sticks and staying out of the way of the wood path. Every single injury I've ever heard about one of those two things wasn't done. People get complacent or distracted.
I had gotten too comfortable making multiple quick cuts on my table saw; while moving a piece off the table, I grazed my hand over the blade and it caught the glove I was wearing. NOTHING happened; but it scared the shit out of me and all I could think about is what my life would be like if that caught the glove completely and shredded my entire hand. The glove has a "blade rub" scratch where my pinky would run; other than that, I walked away without any harm. I did stop work that day and thought about how to make those cuts safer and be more mindful about the saw blade. Its never the cuts that you think are gonna hurt you; its the ones that you make all the time over and over again and you get lazy and don't respect the saw blade.
@@philblakely Not tryin' to start an argument but I have to disagree with you on this. I've had case-hardened lumber grip saw blades hard enough to stop table saw or worm drive saw blades to the point I've had to use a flat bar to open the cut and pry it off. Also, depending on the wood density and grain pattern it can absolutely react in an unexpected manner, which is where I agree with you: you can't always predict how material may go through a saw, so always use best practices, but there can be unseen factors that aren't the fault of the operator.
Quote: "Several of those accidents were NOT due to operator error, and were simply the wood reacting badly." That in itself is a false statement. Wood does not react badly on its own. Operator error in not reading the woodgrain and how it interfaces with any blade is the problem. Add to that the user's failure to keep hands away from the rotating blade and you've summed it up. Blades don't strike like a rattlesnake from a distance.
It would only be a question if they made shit saws. And comparing a job site saw to anything but other job site saws is moot. They make great saws, they all but eliminate risk. If you currently value and enjoy two fully functioning hands, it is worth it. …I think I’ve just convinced myself…
run a steak or roast into the blade and show us how it stops and how much damage it does to the meat before stopping. That's what I want to see, because thats the real beauty of these saws.
It weighs 50% more than my now discontinued 10" Dewalt and the amount of cash I would need to take to the shop with me weighs more than twice as much. I like my Dewalt.
The safety feature annihilates any of those concerns for me. Hearing close calls and horrors stories from industry veterans experiencing freak accidents is enough to convince my risk averse ass. I love working with my hands. The prospect of being unlucky or complacent ruining that is unbearable to me
Table saw safer than a circular saw. cleaner cuts with plywood do little tricks make a 2×2 out a 2×4 even cut from plywood , but every tool has his purpose still need a circular saw if you carpenter
Lol yeah he said that right when I was hitting send. I have seen 2 different saw stops active because of wet wood. Commonsense ant verry common any more. It was the same guy who did it both times.... why was he even useing a table saw to cut down a green bottom plate is what I wanted to know. Lol
From the get-go when Saw Stop first came out, I have had a wary eye on their business model. They coerced retailers and lawmakers to accept their "revolutionary" approach to saving fingers. Well, they have succeeded into carving out a niche in the tablesaw market through fear and instilling fears of litigation that Scott alluded to. I don't like that. I have been in the carpentry trade for 43 years, still have all ten of my fingers and its not by luck. Anyone using a tablesaw needs to learn where their hands SHOULD NOT GO before they get anywhere near the switch for their first time using it. It shouldn't be necessary to catastrophically destroy a sawblade to accommodate stupidity and failure to read the danger level of what one is doing. My Powermatic 66 cabinet saw cuts just fine (as does my jobsite Makita portable). I read and feel the wood as it goes through the blade for kickbacks, and pushsticks alleviate any need to place my hands into the danger area of a rotating blade. Lets face it... there are some who should not operate a table saw, plain and simple. Saw Stop might be made for them.
I get what you're saying, but it is impossible to be 100% perfectly safe 100% of the time, for decades. I triggered my Sawstop last year for the first time, after having it for 7 years. It's the reason I still have two of my fingers. Normally I wouldn't buy one because I agree that the company's approach, lobbying to make their technology mandatory, really bothers me. But I will make an exception if the alternative is so dire. I see having a Sawstop as being the equivalent of having fire extinguishers. We are careful about fires, we don't leave oily rags in piles, etc, yet we all have fire extinguishers because we all recognize that, despite our best intentions and efforts, sometimes bad things happen. I'll never understand the "it destroys an expensive blade and cartridge when it fires!" argument. If you're firing the safety system that often, you shouldn't be anywhere near power tools. Was it worth it to destroy $170 worth of stuff to save my fingers? Hopefully I don't have to answer that. It could cost $2000 and I wouldn't care. Having all of my fingers is priceless to me. Ultimately, the cost difference between a Sawstop and a regular saw is what, $1500-$2000? Who, after losing a finger, would say "I'm glad I didn't spend that extra money"? The people most likely to get hurt are those of us who use these saws every day, that is, professional woodworkers. It's a no-brainer then, given that I'm making money with the tool and it's a tax write-off. It's also a very good saw, aside from the safety. I have the cabinet version so I can't speak for the portable one, but if I was a contractor, I'd have one of those.
I'll agree that Steve went about marketing his technology wrong initially. His saws are top notch. He should have started saw stop at the outset and win on his high quality AND safety technology. It's a good thing you're Mr. Perfect. You might fingveven you are not immune to complacency or hubris. It would sure be nice to have that second chance after that mistake you said you would never make.
@@bmay8818steve gass was very passionate about increasing the safety of table saws. He underestimated how little the big tool conglomerates would care.
@@TheDesertRat31 If you're addressing me, I never claimed to be perfect... far from it. I also didn't say I would never make a mistake... I've made plenty. Please don't distort what I, or anyone else has written. Serious subject at hand here... no need to corrupt the conversation.
Yea, he needs a sawstop, those are some pretty careless uses of a tablesaw in the startup of the video. If Sawstop really cared, the idea wouldn't be patent encumbered, I bet Gass would use insulin if he was diabetic, I bet his car has a 3 point harness...
This wasn't a review, this was an Ad. This is what always happens when people are given expensive equipment for free. Not a single negative comment. For example, when you are sawing lumber and there is one of those staples on the wood that holds the bar code on and it causes the safety mechanism to trip, destroying the blade and the block it goes into and costing you hundreds of dollars to replace. And if you don't have a local store that sells the Sawstop blocks, you are out of commission until you can get one delivered. Also, some blades do not work with the safety mechanism, so if you put one of those on and do something stupid because you think it will protect you, you are in for a big, expensive and possible life altering surprise. Finally, people get injured on these saws all the time. It may not be as bad as it would have been on a different saw, but it still happens. It can be argued that people are even more likely to get injuries because they will do stupid things that they would never do on another saw because they think it is safe. I have yet to see anything touching the blade at a normal speed. Every test I have seen has been something moving extremely slow into the blade. Nobody moves that slow in reality.
You can find some videos on youtube of it working on people's fingers. Saw one where the guy likely would have lost 3 or 4 fingers had it been a normal table saw.
Three thing that stood out in this video to me that you just don’t hear much today.
Boys and girls, back of your pickup, and look you in the eye.
Those are all sayings I would commonly hear from my grandfathers. Thank you EC for being truthful and honest in your review.
$900 is significantly cheaper than ANY workers comp claim so there’s always that.
So i like the fact that you went beyond the safety and actually showed some great key features of the tool that may actually make it better than its competition. Keep up the good work!
I agree. Your video in one of the few that assumes we know about the safety features and you showed us the features. So many SS videos show us over and over and over the hot dog and seem to forget we are getting the Saw to cut wood and we want to learn how it does it's main job. Thank you for giving us the information we need.
I feel like I just watched a real pro demonstrate this saw . You did a great job. I am a 67 year old retired carpenter . Based on your review which made sense to me I am going to buy this model. You did a real no nonsense review that kept my attention. Ty.
The rack/pinion fence and table extension are both DeWalt innovations. I’m glad to see another manufacturer finally implement them. The added safety of the Sawstop, along with the side handle seem to make this saw a clear winner. I look forward to using on someday.
I have a Delta with a "Jet" fence that has a rack and pinion. The saw is older than I am.
Bosch and Skill also have a rack and pinion on their saws. It's nothing new.
No, incorrect
My Milwaukee has a fence almost identical to that. The difference I noticed was I have a lock lever under the table his locks with the knob. Milwaukee even has the thin fence for wide cuts.
@@MrCthieke And the same type of push stick mount.
Nice review, always great content. Just had a second child and my wife isn’t going back to work so I’ll be the sole provider , I think I’m going to pony up and buy this saw to help stay safe.cheers
I got to use a full size Saw Stop table saw when I took a shop class through Mesa Community College. It was, hands down, one of the best tools I've ever used. I knew right away that any mistakes on my cuts were my own fault or not. I wouldn't mind owning the CTS model as it seems perfect for a garage/hobbyist level of work, and you can't beat the size.
Go Thunderbirds!! I was at MCC back in the day.
The Dewalt saws have had the rack and pinion fence for a long time. Also they have the fence drop down too. So that is the same. I do like that other features you talked about though. If I had the money. Of course it wasn't available when I was still working.
Was just about to comment this. My Dewalt jobsite saw (which is my primary tablesaw) has all the same features except for the sawstop safety feature.
Best thing my boss ever did was getting a Sawstop contractor saw for our shop ,fit and finish is awesome and works perfectly for the shops needs ,
I can’t believe a shop owner would even blink at the cost of this saw with this safety technology,as soon as our company’s owner saw it he ordered it the same day for us .
I wonder if his insurance lowers their prices for him
@@anthonyrodrigues5032 I doubt it even entered his thoughts , he’s been in the same industry(R%D aerospace) for 50+ years and seen enough blood spilled in his time , the last thing he or anyone in our shop wants to see and deal with is an another accident , we’re a small company most of the employees have been there 10+ years including 5 of which are family members. In my 25 years there , there’s been very few accidents thank Yah .
I’m retired and a few years back gave away my job site table saw after a near miss on my right hand. considering buying a different home and remodeling it, if I do it will be with a Saw Stop. Thanks for the clear review.
I've been doing hardwood flooring for 33+ years and love my Dewalt job site table saw. I would gladly pay more for a safer tool. I've been self employed and on single income for last 25 years so i don't like to replace good working tools. ( saw stop is 3x as much as my dewalt). It would be nice if it was a little more reasonable or if all table saw manufacturers used the technology.
I actually just ordered this saw (10/07/23) you and a few others helped my decision along with showing my wife the safety feature video then showing her my pointer finger where I cut it pretty bad at work many years ago where they could only glue the tip where your fingerprint is back to close the gap thanks again for the video
I know Saw Stop will like to hear my comment. I have wanted a Saw Stop for some time, but price was prohibitive for me. I have a large heavy contractor's saw, with cast iron extensions on each side, in my shop that has been passed down for two or three generations. It's a good, very powerful saw, but it throws sawdust all over my shop. I have even boxed in the lower section and added a dust port. It helps some, but that's all. I liked the small amount of dust thrown at you in the demo. I can live with that. I also liked that the dust port was actually discharging the majority of the dust. I can contain that easily. When you started the demo, I immediately thought "I need to rip 1/2 sheets of ply sometimes, and there are no extensions". Then you demonstrated the rack extending the support to 25". That peaked my attention for sure. I am still on the fence whether to replace my saw or purchase a panel saw. Price may play a part in my decision, but not totally. I want function. Being retired, I don't cut as many sheets of ply as I once did, but when I do, I don't want dust covering my whole shop. This would not take up as much precious space as my saw currently does. You gave me something to think about. Thanks.
One more thing. I have had a smaller Craftsman bandsaw for 30 years. It's served me well for my home duties. But last year I purchased a high-end band saw and was totally blown away with the difference. In short, my bandsaw has become my go-to as long as the material will fit within the nice throat size. Most of my projects today fit nicely. It is powerful and very accurate. Only when it doesn't allow the width I need, then I go to my table saw. Something for you to think about if you don't have a substantial bandsaw.
I have an old delta unisaw if I was going to buy new saw I would buy a sawstop because of the safety feature alone. I frequently rip wet wood but I can turn off the feature. Sawstop was smart to give their products to you. At the time posted you have 1.27 M subs. They would be crazy not to just for product placement. I have enjoyed your content over the years.
Scott, would you have gone out and spent your own money on these saws just to write an unbiased review? They're not cheap. And lets leave the litigation costs out of the argument.
I'm just getting started on getting tools for woodworking. I'm in the market for my first table saw (I can't wait to have my own lol) and after this review, I'm completely sold. The peace of mind the saw stop allows while at this price point makes it a no brainer for me. We have a big saw stop at work and I was worried this little version wouldn't be worth it. Boy am I glad to be wrong
Mr. Wadsworth, I love your channel and will continue to be a supporter of it. That said, this particular video strikes me as being a little superficial in the depth of the discussion. Several of the features you highlighted and ascribed to Saw Stop's good ideas have been present on my safety yellow saw for a number of years - specifically the rack and pinion fence, the flip stop for table extension, and the push stick storage. Mind you, I'm no apologist for the safety yellow brand; my power tool collection is sort of a mixed bag of colors. I also acknowledge that Saw Stop's safety innovation could be a real game-changer, but as long as it's patented technology, that puts it out of reach of many folks like me until the free market brings the cost down. Respectfully, sir, this video was not up to your usual standard - just my opinion - and will be the first (and I hope the last) time that I don't click the like button. Thanks for listening.
I have to agree... not up to Scott's usual high standard.
Agreed. Plus the blade guard doesn’t do any good packed away in the storage bin. Put it on and use it. The SawStop technology is designed to prevent amputations but the injuries caused by contacting the blade can still be disabling.
This saw did bring the price of carpentry down, read the stats
I have the safety yellow jobsite saw. I bought it for basic, occasional woodworking or remodeling. It works fine for my use. I've been around table saws my entire life. No one should get complacent when using any saw. Nonetheless, the safety built into this saw is definitely a smart investment. Everything else looks to be standard issue.
You’re the type that will cut something off.
@@turbodog99 Nah.
I bought this saw a few months ago. I love it! I calibrated it and it doesn't leave any blade marks anymore. It has plenty of power. I was about to go try it out on a piece of 3" maple. I know for sure it will cut it no problem.
Ladies and gentlemen, if you’ve watched this man’s earlier videos (specifically the ones discussing safety vs personal limits) you’ll understand how monumental this endorsement is.
It’s unbelievable people complaining sawstop don’t give away their tech. They came from nothing and developed this device, offered it to manufacturers on license, they refused, presumably thinking they could copy it, but the patents were sewn up tight. It’s not even a complicated idea. Run an electric current through the blade. If the existing companies couldn’t be bothered developing this first, that’s their problem.
If I have to watch an ad, I'll watch this one. Good review!
Observed (saw) one at my local store and was SUPER IMPRESSED will be my next one for sure
Scott, I’d love to see you compare table saws and plunge cut track saws! Your reviews are very good and thorough.
I am looking at getting this saw for a few reasons, my shop is small so a full size saw won’t fit, I currently have the Metabo job site table saw, while it’s a really good saw I like the piece of mind in the SS. Also let’s say the new I phone is like 1200 bucks people pay that without hesitation and it lasts like 3 years the SS compact is roughly 1000 and would last longer than the phone
You do have to spend some time setting the saw up... blade, fence, etc. But once done, the saw is great. Fairly compact which is Nice ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxXh-4_3-ZT1fFWP91ZV7iVqzElr0lEb-a I did get an Incra Miter Gauge which takes some setup as well. The stock miter gauge can be adjusted in the miter slot with a little painter's tape... this tightens up the side to side play a lot.
Lee Valley here in Ottawa demonstrates the ‘stop’ every Saturday for any locals. It is very impressive - and loud enough to get the attention of the whole store.
Wow! Take it easy man... it's not a shop saw, it's only a portable saw. Don't push the wood so hard and fast through it! Lol
Keep it up, you make this saw look quite capable. 😀
Looks like they didn’t skip much. Glad you didn’t try out the STOP part! 😮 My old “Dept store” brand is working, but chattering a bit too much these days. Thanks for the info!
That flipper thing on the fence is amazing!!!
Thank you, I need a new job saw, think I'll buy that one
It’s pretty remarkable how many perfect woodworkers are in this comment section.
YES, it's worth it! If I didn't have my Sawstop last year, I'd be missing two fingers. My injury was much worse than the usual ones (horrendous pain and needed 16 stitches) but that's not the saw's fault. It absolutely astounds me that people say "nah, it's too expensive", as though hand surgery isn't waaaay more expensive (and you still lose a finger!). I knew a guy who needed 7 surgeries, at a cost of a quarter million, and he still lost a finger.
I get it if you use a table saw only once in a while. It's hard to justify the expense for that. But anyone who uses one more often than that is an idiot if they don't have one. Yes, I said that. Find a way to afford it. You don't need that latte or that nice restaurant meal, you need your fingers.
Yes, my injury was avoidable. Yes, I was doing something stupid. But people do stupid things. We forget, we don't pay attention, we think "this one time will be fine". I don't care how safe you are or how long you've been using a table saw, this isn't a luxury doodad, it's the equivalent of a fire extinguisher. Fires happen despite our best intentions and safety-mindedness. It's no different with a saw.
Kudos for you for being honest! I hope your hand is working reasonably well given the injury.
@@johnsrabe Thanks to someone pushing me to go to the ER and get stitches, my finger looks pretty normal, though one can see three saw tooth-width "seams" in my skin. I've never felt that kind of acute pain before, including when I put my finger in a running fan on a big window A/C unit. My injury was worse than what Sawstop shows because my hand went into the blade from the side, so the blade retracted across my finger instead of away from it.
But still, I'm just blown away by how well it worked! I heard a bang and then looked down and got the dreaded "how bad is this?" feeling. Lots of blood and screaming, but WOW would the damage have been horribly worse if I hadn't invested in a Sawstop in 2015. I saw it as a "I can't afford not to have this" situation, and I actually put it on a credit card, it was that important to me.
I own 2 Sawstop saws. I’d say this to someone who says they cant justify the cost for occasional use……”take your project to someone who does own a Sawstop and let them do your cutting for you.”
@@bmay8818 Probably good you can see those seams as a reminder; glad to hear it works. I have lots of hand scars and stitches but oddly none from power tools. Several involve a beef roast, a sharp knife, and glasses of wine. I’ve also shoved a chisel into my hand, sliced a beautiful crescent on the sharp underside of a steel washer lid, and - horsing around in the dorm - slammed my finger in a fire door. The novocaine shot into the knuckle for that one was the most intense pain I’ve ever felt.
@@johnsrabe Oh yeah, the anesthetic shot they gave me before stitching my hand was horrifically painful, worse than the pain from the injury (but shorter-lived). I didn't expect that. I've got just the one injury from power tools, but other scars from other tools. Slamming your hand in a door sounds really painful! I bet you didn't do that again.
I noticed that the sawdust collection system only needs to have a hose hooked up 👍👍
I’m impressed with the features and build quality, which make me a lot more likely to buy the saw than the bladestop. But it seems like the saw is a must buy for three groups:
1. Anybody who is using the saw on a job site where the saw will be unsupervised for 1 second or more. That $300 is cheap insurance against a lawsuit … which will cost you much more even if you win.
2. Woodworkers who can admit to themselves that they have some bad safety habits. That’s a mature person and $300 is not much to prevent them from doing something more stupid than usual. (Seriously no judgement here; we all have failings.)
3. Like Scott, anybody who has young people in their workshop. Kids should have ten healthy fingers to pick their noses and put in pies and such.
Me, I have never put my finger near a table saw blade since c1980 when my brother in law scolded me for doing it. All he said was, “You know how stupid that was, don’t you?” It’s stuck with me ever since. I’m much more worried about kickback and losing an eye to a flying piece of wood.
Last thing: If you don’t have a Makita track saw, get one and you’ll find yourself using your tablesaw a lot less.
Awesome Dewalt clone.
Well done Dewalt for moving the industry forward.
Fun fact: the maker of the saw stop tried to sell his design to DeWalt
I would GLADLY paint you a picture (I am not an artist at all) and be happy as all get out to listen to you tell me how terrible it is. Scott, you're a swell guy. Thank you for the ridiculously uncomplicated, refreshing content. Nate, you're no slouch either. Thanks guys!!
I'm pretty impressed, honestly in my opinion this seems better than the Festool SawStop that I've used a few times. Very disappointed with that one, maybe problems on my end but it felt very rickety and had several issues surprisingly
ty for this movie! I always learn something new about tools from your reviews!
I have yet to see anyone test the stop feature on their own finger? It’s a wonderful feature but hope it doesn’t lead to overconfidence. I am terrified of my tablesaw and I think it’s a good thing!
As it should be. Respect for the machine, not complacency.
That was always my comment-
If it works, why the hot dog? Jam that finger in there!
@@michaeldalton8374 Of course I am not an expert I just play one on UA-cam!😆
The inventor of the technology did test it on his own finger, multiple times.
@@TheDesertRat31 case closed!
Nicely thought out and designed tool. Imagine that.
I own 2 Sawstops. Best decisions ever. Wow, a lot of Sawstop haters out here. They probably hate Festool too…..just saying….
I have the Bosch 4100 jobsite saw and I can't think of a better saw for the price, especially with the 'gravity rise' stand. The nice feature of the Bosch is that you move the fence to right end of the table, flip a lever underneath and an entire section of the table slides over for rips up to 31". If you can get the Euro version, it even comes with a sliding cross-cut table on the left side of the blade.
When it comes down to it, I don't get my fingers close enough to the blade on a jobsite saw to need the safety features of a Saw Stop. In fact, even on my big General table saw in the shop, it's that respect that makes me think of safety all the time. And let's be honest, I simply can't afford a Saw Stop.
You don't get your fingers close to the blade.... yea, yea. Heard that over and over. Trust me, you are not immune to complacency and you are not invisible to change. Becareful of hubris. I truly hope you never have a saw I jury. I understand the cost of these tools, but they pale in comparison to the medical bills and the way your life is permanently altered.
Bosch had a different version of the Sawstop safety system that was cheaper to reset and Sawstop/festool sued them for patent infringement and they couldn't sell it
I was thinking THOUSANDS for a jobsite but NO. Under a thousand and within a few hundred bucks of most of the other jobsite saws. What's a finger worth?
I broke my ankle one time. Didn't have insurance at that moment..cost me 3,500. Went to catch a candle that someone knocked over. Got both my hands. Wasn't the worst burn I ever had. Cost me 4,500. Went to u of m ann arbor both times not sure that makes a difference.
Scott, I know you don't like safety rules and all that, but even a Sawstop can have kickback which is also very dangerous. Cutting off the end of a board freehand for example is just asking for a bad day.
The Essential Craftsman needs a saw stop. That stepping around the saw to drag the board through the blade is sketchy. Make yourself a push stick and stay safe.
Does the dust collect sweatshirt come with it?😊😊😊😊😊
Looks like a right decent saw.
Just wish Sawstop would sell that saw in Europe as opposed to the version currently available
Hi nothing is ever perfect but this looks a great saw. 👍🐝🌞
I've been using a tablesaw since I was around 8. Taught with care by two grandpas and a father. Those three passed with 10 fingers apiece in their 70s and 80s. Im 57. Still have all the dgits. No fancy saw replaces common sense
Just keep waiting…
You're right, but common sense also says that, if there's a thing you can buy that eliminates the possibility of horrific, painful, life-changing injuries, you should buy it. If you have a fire extinguisher in your place, you understand the value of a Sawstop.
Run a workshop where you’re hiring people and you’ll think differently
…actually, in this case it does…that’s what’s “fancy” about it…helps the rest of us that got shorted in the common sense department…or is that too empathetic?..
That's great, and as long as we only allowed people running saws who had the benefit of being taught by their parents and grandparents at an early age, I'm sure this would be unnecessary. Unfortunately not much construction would get done because 98% of the work force hasn't had that benefit and is liable to make mistakes sometimes.
When I saw the other jobsite version of the sawstop saw, I thought for you guys in America surely that's worth the investment in case of loosing finger or having to have hand reconstruction surgery? I mean how much would something like that cost in USA?
3:22 that extension feature is on the $350 skil tablesaw; the anti-de-fingerer is likely well worth the extra $500 though.
I've had my makita table saw 38 years and still going strong, awesome tool
At $1100 dollars for saw and stand and shipping...they can keep it. Considering my Metabo 10" has all the bells and whistles that this one does at half the price...and it comes with built in stand and wheels! I cant justify it, im sure some bigger companies can....by the same token...i do not let helpers use the table saw. Thanks for the video EC. Love your content!
*All* the bells and whistles? I would bet it's missing at least one feature.
Other than the obvious....smh
That's a cheap saw where i live.
Consider yourself lucky.
Chop off a finger and you'll wish you would have spent the extra $500 up front. Expensive but worth it.
Dont put your finger where you wouldnt put your member....there is no excuse for complacency....next argument?
It doesn’t stop kickback!
In the "The most impressive workbench I've ever seen" video, you mention that you'll be making a follow-up video to show its construction. Is that video still in the works?
LOVE this channel!
Thank you for the great video, I’m seriously considering getting this one, I currently have the Metabo jobsite table saw. It is a really good saw but would like to have the piece of mind In the Saw Stop.
This saw uses a lot of the same great items from the Dewalt. I prefer the Bosch Reaxx system which is a much better implementation of the safety stop feature where you don't kill your blade but SawStop saw fit to stop that. Props to the inventor for coming up with the idea but his licensing fees were way too high.
Interesting this uses the same fence system as the Metabo which I really like. I might have to pick one of these up.
Great review. I’ve been in the market for a good portable saw. Thanks….
I'd live to have one of these!! If I can't get one of these one day im gonna try to get the skil table saw that they recently released
Interesting that the fence system on that is identical to the one on the Dewalt cordless table saw.
anything that could safe a finger is good buy in my books
I have an orange version of one of these. B&D I hate the fence on mine. 90° isn't 90°. Also It doesn't have the safety stuff.
Personally I think it could do with an extention on the back to support whatever is coming off of the saw.
Shame we can't get that brand here in NZ.
Great saw, clever, safe, accurate. The worst thing about the saw stop... is the blade. It's junk.
I love how this guy just gives er with the siding. LOL.
Keep up the good work!
Love your work 👍
Great Show.
Is a saw stop worth it? You think you even have to ask?? Its unquestionably a yes answer. I thought they were too expensive... But my medical bills would have paid for several of their top line, 5 hp cabinet saws.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK
At $899.00 starting without the table, it's not tooo bad price wise either, considering the appalling job places like dewalt have been putting out for not much less. Even though I am in the uk, I may consider one of these in the future.
The Dewalt is half the price, and has the same features (besides the safety one).
Thank you for the awesome content and great videos!!
As a freelance court reporter for 22 years in the legal profession, I’ve taken verbatim testimony from many 20- and 30-year experienced professional woodworkers who have cut off fingers from using a table saw. Their lives were changed and most had to find other work because they could not hold and manipulate wood stock like they did before the accident. Several of those accidents were NOT due to operator error, and were simply the wood reacting badly. So, I ask you: Are your fingers worth protecting, at any price? I shudder every time a newbie brags about how he saved $300 by buying some other brand of table saw, one without the protecting brake of a SawStop. Why would you risk your fingers for $300? Insane. As a long-time woodworker as my avocation, I’ve watched my father, with 70 years of table saw experience, and my brother, with 30 years of woodworking experience cut their fingers badly on a saw blade that had NO brake system. If you are a woodworker, it’s not a matter of IF you’ll ever come into contact with a table saw blade, it’s when. I for one purchased a SawStop because my fingers are worth the small extra expense for that safety feature.
"Several of those accidents were NOT due to operator error, and were simply the wood reacting badly. "
This is just wrong. There's no such thing as wood "reacting badly". Avoiding getting injured is as simple as using push sticks and staying out of the way of the wood path. Every single injury I've ever heard about one of those two things wasn't done. People get complacent or distracted.
I had gotten too comfortable making multiple quick cuts on my table saw; while moving a piece off the table, I grazed my hand over the blade and it caught the glove I was wearing.
NOTHING happened; but it scared the shit out of me and all I could think about is what my life would be like if that caught the glove completely and shredded my entire hand.
The glove has a "blade rub" scratch where my pinky would run; other than that, I walked away without any harm.
I did stop work that day and thought about how to make those cuts safer and be more mindful about the saw blade.
Its never the cuts that you think are gonna hurt you; its the ones that you make all the time over and over again and you get lazy and don't respect the saw blade.
@@philblakely Not tryin' to start an argument but I have to disagree with you on this. I've had case-hardened lumber grip saw blades hard enough to stop table saw or worm drive saw blades to the point I've had to use a flat bar to open the cut and pry it off. Also, depending on the wood density and grain pattern it can absolutely react in an unexpected manner, which is where I agree with you: you can't always predict how material may go through a saw, so always use best practices, but there can be unseen factors that aren't the fault of the operator.
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Quote: "Several of those accidents were NOT due to operator error, and were simply the wood reacting badly."
That in itself is a false statement. Wood does not react badly on its own. Operator error in not reading the woodgrain and how it interfaces with any blade is the problem. Add to that the user's failure to keep hands away from the rotating blade and you've summed it up. Blades don't strike like a rattlesnake from a distance.
I still prefer my Skilsaw spt99-12 table saw, it has lots of power. 😆
looks exactly like the dewalt to be honest
LP SmartSiding is not OSB! :)
It would only be a question if they made shit saws. And comparing a job site saw to anything but other job site saws is moot. They make great saws, they all but eliminate risk. If you currently value and enjoy two fully functioning hands, it is worth it.
…I think I’ve just convinced myself…
run a steak or roast into the blade and show us how it stops and how much damage it does to the meat before stopping. That's what I want to see, because thats the real beauty of these saws.
It weighs 50% more than my now discontinued 10" Dewalt and the amount of cash I would need to take to the shop with me weighs more than twice as much. I like my Dewalt.
The safety feature annihilates any of those concerns for me. Hearing close calls and horrors stories from industry veterans experiencing freak accidents is enough to convince my risk averse ass. I love working with my hands. The prospect of being unlucky or complacent ruining that is unbearable to me
I know you have tons more experience than me in the trade. But it always makes me squirm when I see long sleeves down and a rotating blade.
Table saw safer than a circular saw. cleaner cuts with plywood do little tricks make a 2×2 out a 2×4 even cut from plywood , but every tool has his purpose still need a circular saw if you carpenter
I’ll only use skil worm drives
Please add some wheels
You didn't say anything about u cant cut wet wood with it..... unless u bypass it
Scott did mention toward the end that you can bypass the stop tech if you think your stock might be conductive.
Lol yeah he said that right when I was hitting send. I have seen 2 different saw stops active because of wet wood. Commonsense ant verry common any more. It was the same guy who did it both times.... why was he even useing a table saw to cut down a green bottom plate is what I wanted to know. Lol
You probably just sold a few saws for those folks. I would trust an experienced carpenter like you before I would a company's claims.
I thought you would plunge your hand into the blade to demonstrate the “stop” technology 😂
Jumper looks like it could come straight from the Balenciaga catalogue haha
Guys please just use an out feed table these portable saws are great but so dangerous to operate them without an out feed table
My biggest grief with any jobsite saw is how unflat the table is. How was this one?
Always go for the saw stop, $900 is always better than a $9000 hospital bill.
Looks like a well designed portable table saw. I wish they have the option to sell it without the expensive saw stop feature.
Missed the point sport…
Wow…just wow! 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@turbodog99 don't think so champ, looks like mine sailed passed you.
Run your had throw it to see how well it really is.....
Hi EC 😊
From the get-go when Saw Stop first came out, I have had a wary eye on their business model. They coerced retailers and lawmakers to accept their "revolutionary" approach to saving fingers. Well, they have succeeded into carving out a niche in the tablesaw market through fear and instilling fears of litigation that Scott alluded to. I don't like that.
I have been in the carpentry trade for 43 years, still have all ten of my fingers and its not by luck. Anyone using a tablesaw needs to learn where their hands SHOULD NOT GO before they get anywhere near the switch for their first time using it. It shouldn't be necessary to catastrophically destroy a sawblade to accommodate stupidity and failure to read the danger level of what one is doing. My Powermatic 66 cabinet saw cuts just fine (as does my jobsite Makita portable). I read and feel the wood as it goes through the blade for kickbacks, and pushsticks alleviate any need to place my hands into the danger area of a rotating blade.
Lets face it... there are some who should not operate a table saw, plain and simple. Saw Stop might be made for them.
I get what you're saying, but it is impossible to be 100% perfectly safe 100% of the time, for decades. I triggered my Sawstop last year for the first time, after having it for 7 years. It's the reason I still have two of my fingers.
Normally I wouldn't buy one because I agree that the company's approach, lobbying to make their technology mandatory, really bothers me. But I will make an exception if the alternative is so dire.
I see having a Sawstop as being the equivalent of having fire extinguishers. We are careful about fires, we don't leave oily rags in piles, etc, yet we all have fire extinguishers because we all recognize that, despite our best intentions and efforts, sometimes bad things happen.
I'll never understand the "it destroys an expensive blade and cartridge when it fires!" argument. If you're firing the safety system that often, you shouldn't be anywhere near power tools. Was it worth it to destroy $170 worth of stuff to save my fingers? Hopefully I don't have to answer that. It could cost $2000 and I wouldn't care. Having all of my fingers is priceless to me.
Ultimately, the cost difference between a Sawstop and a regular saw is what, $1500-$2000? Who, after losing a finger, would say "I'm glad I didn't spend that extra money"? The people most likely to get hurt are those of us who use these saws every day, that is, professional woodworkers. It's a no-brainer then, given that I'm making money with the tool and it's a tax write-off. It's also a very good saw, aside from the safety. I have the cabinet version so I can't speak for the portable one, but if I was a contractor, I'd have one of those.
my basice safety rule: Stick as MUCH of your anatomy into the machine that you wish to lose.
I'll agree that Steve went about marketing his technology wrong initially. His saws are top notch. He should have started saw stop at the outset and win on his high quality AND safety technology. It's a good thing you're Mr. Perfect. You might fingveven you are not immune to complacency or hubris. It would sure be nice to have that second chance after that mistake you said you would never make.
@@bmay8818steve gass was very passionate about increasing the safety of table saws. He underestimated how little the big tool conglomerates would care.
@@TheDesertRat31 If you're addressing me, I never claimed to be perfect... far from it. I also didn't say I would never make a mistake... I've made plenty. Please don't distort what I, or anyone else has written. Serious subject at hand here... no need to corrupt the conversation.
Yea, he needs a sawstop, those are some pretty careless uses of a tablesaw in the startup of the video.
If Sawstop really cared, the idea wouldn't be patent encumbered, I bet Gass would use insulin if he was diabetic, I bet his car has a 3 point harness...
This wasn't a review, this was an Ad. This is what always happens when people are given expensive equipment for free. Not a single negative comment. For example, when you are sawing lumber and there is one of those staples on the wood that holds the bar code on and it causes the safety mechanism to trip, destroying the blade and the block it goes into and costing you hundreds of dollars to replace. And if you don't have a local store that sells the Sawstop blocks, you are out of commission until you can get one delivered.
Also, some blades do not work with the safety mechanism, so if you put one of those on and do something stupid because you think it will protect you, you are in for a big, expensive and possible life altering surprise.
Finally, people get injured on these saws all the time. It may not be as bad as it would have been on a different saw, but it still happens. It can be argued that people are even more likely to get injuries because they will do stupid things that they would never do on another saw because they think it is safe. I have yet to see anything touching the blade at a normal speed. Every test I have seen has been something moving extremely slow into the blade. Nobody moves that slow in reality.
You’re ignorant. Plenty of fast tests out there
I thought you would show the Hot Dog test that stops the blade.
It's an expensive and time consuming reset after doing that.
Most people don't realize you have to buy new parts when that happens. It also happens with wood with too much moisture.
You can find some videos on youtube of it working on people's fingers. Saw one where the guy likely would have lost 3 or 4 fingers had it been a normal table saw.
Dayum 😍
Scott said "sexy". Watching too much AvE?