Essentially, you avoid conflict by getting the territory nobody wants, and you reduce conflict by taking surprise war out of the table. This lack of conflict (and the Diplomatic points we know nothing about) should make Canada very strong for a diplomatic victory. Or at least, that's what Firaxis is going for.
@@lcg3092 Yeah, their main benefit in MP is no surprise wars which is pretty good tbh but good luck getting diplo/culture victory against other humans.
@KevinGoatDurant EasyMoneySniper In MP games 5 turns of preparation is often the difference between decisive victory and losing your capital. It's a substantial advantage.
Personally I'm not a fan of killing every civ, and i only really wanna build up on my civilization, plus I'm Canadian myself so playing civ 6 as Canada will be quite fun
I don't think the Mountie is consumed when you create the park, because when they next showed the unit it no longer had the tab on the side for building improvements. I believe that when you thought it got disbanded, it was just deselected.
Canada as a unified group and also a country was created so that the US would not invade the pre-Canada British colonies, forcing all possible troops in the colonies to beat back a possible American invasion instead of all possible troops in one colony. So yeah, US v. Canada is quite accurate!
Yeah, was thinking the same... Cyrus: "You don´t surprise DOW anyone! I hate you!" Laurier: "Okay"... Cyrus: "I gonna surprise DOW you... wait a sec..." hrhr
Taters my man, I love these first look analysis videos you do. Please consider raising the volume of the lady, though. If I raise the volume enough to hear her clearly then your silky light brogue booms out quite overwhelmingly. Merci, mon petit pomme de terre.
Lol, it's a colloquiallism for potato, literally translates as "earth apple" (there's also 'pomme de la rue' meaning 'road apple', describing a lump of horse crap, languages are fun!)
Yeah I'm really worried the start bias is going to shaft them too hard. Even as Russia, you don't want to be sitting in a bunch of unimprovable tiles because of "Wow +5 Faith in this city!". It just isn't worth it, Russia's bonus is terrible. Canada's scales at least but that's still not something you want handicapping your start.
When the weakest players from rival teams lose, they are consumed by Canadians in an orgy of blood, which few outsiders realize. In fact, it's the dark heart that drives all the outward Canadian niceness! Obviously this is a labor intensive process, creating many jobs.
There's more here than can meet the eye. He is friend and have alliance with everybody. Meaning that he can do trades and make others do stuff wich can be interesting. Inmune to suprise wars, meaning he can troll you at the early game having a lot of warriors around to block you. Also settlers can run free . Yeah he looks weak but I think he has tricks. Gotta think outside the box here. With panteon and extra food early game he can make more districts faster to catch up what he is lacking. We don't know what's new in terms of cards , mechanics etc. So he can be even more trickier with those. The way I see it they are making civ. To use mechanics that has been in the game that nobody care to use and make them playable. So he sure has strategy, so far every civ from this expansion has to be use in an outside of the box set of mind in order to play it.
That makes sense. The Maoris start at sea and essentially force you to have a navy. In addition their boosts are centered on unimproved tiles. Hungary your looking at River settles exclusively and is the first shown that benefits from a volcano nearby. Canada can make Tundra work and never have to be worried about being drawn into wars
Mounties are going to be amazing; the only civilization that can build a naturalist with military bonuses. I doubt they'll be consumed when creating a National Park either. In fact, I expect them to be very useful for settling tundra tiles in the late game (since no-one else will want them), then planting a National Park easily and sticking around to defend the city as it grows thanks to the ability to place farms on tundra tiles. Just planting additional tundra cities for the park and hockey rink improvement to fuel that tourism for your culture victory or favor points.
You actually cannot declare war on a city state, since this always counts as a surprise war. The only way to conquer a city state would be indirectly by beeing at war with the civ that is its suzerain.
Canada's definitely built to be a late game civ, considering how most of their bonuses are locked behind the civic tree. Your farms aren't gonna be more valuable than Russia's bonus until Feudalism, and will only start to outpace Russia with Civil Engineering/Replaceable Parts. The fact that you need to settle with these subpar starting conditions to get to a strong lategame leaves you particularly vulnerable, with the only benefit in that nobody really wants your tundra cities to begin with. The bonus resource extraction can't be accurately judged as of now, though it would be interesting for a diplomatic strategy to be trading resources for favor. On a side note, that civil service wonder looks native american in structure. This makes sense with the Cree's bonus being tied to civil service as well, and might tie back to the longhouse's historical use of uniting tribes. If this is any indicator, this wonder could be tied to a diplomatic victory - though it's uncertain what bonus it'd specifically provide.
Maybe being immune to surprise wars helps you last longer early to reach a spike for the late game, also setling deep into tundra might keep other civs away for some time and avoid conflict. But they do seem undertuned.
Hey guys you should learn about the birth of the Iroquois/Haudnesonee Confederacy. I bet the wonder is the Lake Onondaga longhouse that housed the clans and leaders of the nations within the confederacy when they met to decide policy. It's not a Cree culture structure, and based on history of it being tied to civil service (the confederacy being born during the same real world era) I'm willing to bet hard money it's a BIG FAT HINT that the Iroquois is coming back.
@@cinnamonbeardstud I imagine what it would be like living inside a longhouse during a winter, the elders telling stories and fables from their past. Living here in Brazil it's hard to know what a harsh winter is like and we as a people have preserved very little of the native peoples culture in favor of eurocentric beliefs and customs. Would be cool to see more and more of the indigenous civs pop up in Civ VI, maybe the Iroquois and maybe some of the south american ones like the Tupi from Brazil and the Guarani from Bolivia, Argentina, Paraguai, Uruguay and western Brazil.
@@cinnamonbeardstud Yes, I had only mentioned the Cree due to how their own bonuses kicked in with civil service - something that may suggest the connection of native americans and this wonder. On further thought, the idea of a diplomatic wonder this early on got me thinking. Call it speculation, but I'd be mighty interested if this wonder could do something like Canada's UA, and convert a resource into favor. Namely, the historical interactions between Massachusetts pilgrims and natives could be a nice basis for this wonder being able to convert food into favor: maybe +1 favor/turn per 10-15 base food (unmodified by citizen maintenance).
It's also good to consider how valuable Canada's conversion of tourism -> favor can be. Previous gameplay shows that your passive generation of favor is about +1 per tier government, and +1 per suzerainship. Assuming this bonus stays constant, that means that by the endgame you're sitting at a constant +4 favor, and maybe 1 or 2 extra depending on how competitive others are for suzerainship. With Canada's bonuses towards culture, you could easily get to 500 tourism by Atomic/Information, which on its own can provide an extra +5 favor (not counting any tourism modifiers). And if Canada is gunning for a cultural victory over diplomatic, you're still going to be getting a potential +10 favor by the endgame. On top of that, we already can see several resolutions that are available in congress, and they are much stronger than civ 5: bonus amenities/no amenities from a luxury, bonus gpp/no gpp towards a certain great person, and a dev stream also mentioned strengthened chops/no chops. And of course, the diplomatic victory points. As Canada, you pretty much have dominance over every congress resolution, and can use that to support its choice of victory.
I think Canada is going to be really vulnerable until late game not just militarily, but overall as well. Canada gets NO innate yield bonuses, and Tundra farms aren't even a real gain until Feudalism. Look at the other post-Renaissance civs and what they have in the ancient/classical eras for a minute: - America: +5 combat strength on the home continent, all diplomatic policies become wild cards - Australia: Double production for 10 turns if someone declares war on you, huge yield bonuses from appeal for districts - Brazil: Yield bonuses for districts adjacent to rainforests, spend less Great Person points when recruiting one - Dutch: Adjacency bonus from rivers, culture/loyalty from trade routes - England: Get melee units from founding cities - Spain: Combat bonus vs civs of other religions Canada's defense against early war is forcing people to denounce them, which gives early warning but at best only gives them as much time to produce a military as Australia without the bonus from liberating cities during the actual war. Australia, Brazil, and Dutch all get massive yield bonuses to compensate for not having strong early bonuses, while Canada just has to wait. You don't get bonus production from Canada, and even the gold bonus from buying tiles is kind of meek considering how little tile purchasing you often do. So all Canada really has going for them relative to other civs is Favor generation. That said, depending on how RELIGIOUS tourism is weighted with their main ability, I think Canada might actually have a niche "relic spam" strategy with the Reliquaries belief where they build a silly amount of early favor and puppet other civs to make up for their lack of direct bonuses.
This looks interesting, actually. Cities on the edge of tundra will potentially benefit substantially by cheaper purchase of tundra and snow as places to put districts without crushing decent tiles. Being able to break even on food on tundra is also helpful if you're aiming for population so you can build districts. In fact, I think that will be most useful in the mid to late game. Hopefully, Canada will tend to start on the edge of tundra so that their early cities get the benefit of non-tundra tiles and then they can settle pure tundra/snow cities for later cities when tundra farms are more useful.
The good thing about all the tundra bonuses is that it doesn't mean Canada has to settle all their cities there, they will still be better off settling better land if they can get it. But it does mean that once the rush for the good land has reached its conclusion Canada will still be able to settle lands that will have been largely ignored by the others civs and still make good use of that land. Also with its dynamic being pacifistic it will enable them to take land that nobody else really wants as an alternative to having to go to war in order to continue expanding. I think it is going to play out well … so long as you aren't hell-bent on a domination victory!
@@yossarian3 In the new expansion, Strategic Resources (Iron, Plastics, Oil) are finite: each Iron Mine provides 2 Iron to build Iron-related units or structures, etc. Canada extracts twice as many Strategic Resources from Tundra, so you'd get 4 iron from a Tundra mine, so you can support twice as many Iron-related units/structures.
@@yossarian3 Since those resources are tradeable, it makes for a more granular resource, especially if you have a lot of it. Also it means civs that rely to heavily on a resource they don't have enough of will have an extra incentive to make deals or go to war (i.e. to fuel your tank army you first have to invade the civ with the most oil. Hmmmm)
If I recall correctly, in Civ V you had world Congress projects (Worlds Fair, Olympics, etc...) that you supported via production in your cities. Once it was finished you got boosts for the first, second, and third highest producers. I’m guessing that mechanic is part of what we are seeing with the World Congress screens. My prediction is tomorrow’s live stream will confirm or refute this speculation.
That would be when they add Justin Trudeau as an alternate leader. And his power would be to mimic other countries leaders and make them laugh at his ineptitude.
Canada should settle on the border of tundra. early in the game you have decent tiles with grassland and plains and later in the game you can expand in tundra for cheap to cash in those bonuses. I think they are missing a key bonus. like +4 combat strenght on tundra or snow tiles. You might need a good pantheon to defend yourself early. God of the forge seems to be a must once again for yet another late game civ. Also a good bonus early game : no one can snipe your unprotected settler so you can settle more where you please without an escort. Question : What will happen of Toronto city state?
Probably give them something like "building farms on tundra does not consume builder charges" - boom! Now they truly become adaptable to the colder climes.
The mountie doesn't consume when creating a national park (but it looks like its a one-time thing per mountie) How does this impact the strength of the unit?
15:30 Well if you're playing a multiplayer game and happen to have Canada as a neighbour you could as well just keep denouncing them every 30 turns just so they won't know exactly when you're actually gonna declare war (if you're gonna do it at all)
@10:45 I think you overvalue Russia's Faith generation on tiles. Trading 1 Production for 1 Food + Farm Housing, I can see either way. Faith yields are either passable with a religion, or essentially worthless, and a few Faith from worked tiles tends to be a very small drop in the bucket of your generation from Holy Sites and religion traits. So I don't feel like Russia benefits from Tundra either, and definitely less so over the course of the game when Farms get additional yield bonuses but Russia's bonus doesn't change or scale. I think you're spot-on as far as Tundra still being undesirable and agree with the board assessment. The starting bias is probably going to leave them very prone to weak starts and just being outpaced. I just think comparing them to Russia for Tundra was too biased for Russia's equal bonus given how worthless Faith can be and that investment in Religion can really slow you down. Ignore Religion, get a faster Campus or Theater Square or other Districts, snowball those bonuses. So I think Canada will be comparable to Russia, but stronger in Science and Culture due to foregoing Religion and having better pop growth for Districts.
1. Faith is not passable even if you're not going for religion. It has extremely powerful uses at multiple points in the game. In fact faith is probably the second most valuable resource yield in the game due to its power, flexibility and uses. 2. Tundra growth isn't actually that bad with the help of trade routes, food buildings and settling near coast. Most cities only need 2-3 Districts to be useful which can be easily achieved by Russia. Whether any of that changes in the expansion remains to be seen. Canada bonuses help in the area where Tundra doesn't need help with, which is why I doubt they'll be anywhere near as strong as russia in the hands of a player. I'd rather start with plains tiles with +Faith than tundra I have to invest build charges into just to be on par with productionless grassland.
They look solid. A minor tweak that might be appropriate is +1 food on city centers built on tundra tiles just to help them grow a little more in a non-scaling manner when deep in the tundra. Cities built on temperate/tundra borders will be fine, but I worry those deep tundra cities will still be problematic. This would also add a strategic element of trying to found cities on tundra tiles right next to temperate areas. To play off the bonus while still having some better tiles to work.
Why not both? Granted Canada hasn't done much compared to some of the other civs. I mean the German empire was the main power in the centra lpowers only 47 years after it formed. Still the pair of Canada and America or god help you the Trio of former British colonies America Canada and Austrlia will be a fairly peaceful alliance that will break you if it has to.
The mountie is clearly not consumed, you see it make a Nat. Park then attack the barbarians. Also, looks like you can only stock up to 50 of any strat resource & that there is a "Ski Resort" of some type you can put on a mountain tile/
@@PotatoMcWhiskey Well charges normally insinuate that after you use the last charge the unit disappears. Since their are no charges I can assume 1 or 2 things. Number One, it has unlimited charges. Or Number Two, in the description, it has the ability to only do this once per unit and then is a normal Military Unit from there onward. Sorry, but I think you might have it backwards in your assumption. Charges=Death, no charges-no death! :D
@@Rich-MarsEco I will explain my logic fully. The legion has build charges as is not consumed when using them. The naturalist has no build charges and is consumed when making a national park. Thats the extent of my logic. Y
I think Canada will benefit from settling on the border of tundra and grassland in the early game, then plonking some cities straight in the tundra and snow in the late game, taking advantage of tiles that other civs will have avoided. Looks interesting, but the early game will be a challenge.
I feel like this civ wants to build next to tundra, rather then ON tundra (early at least.) Once you get feudalism, I could see proper expansion into the area to be viable if you're picking up some good production resources.
Maybe this is too OP but what if they gave them +1 food for tundra tiles. People in Canada can get food in whatever climate they are in. The Inuit manage to survive up north in cold temperatures year round by hunting seals as well as many provinces output lots of food even with their shortened growing season
With the new future era and the expanded culture and science victories, a lategame civ will not be as bad as in the base game and RaF, I think. The industrial era will be the era in the middle, so a push starting there won't be as bad. Also, it seems like they can earn a lot of favor, so via the world congress bonuses they may be able to gain some catch up.
The problem of exponential acceration still applies, just yields will get even more rediculous. I haven't seen anything that really addresses that yet.
*Terrance and Philip lead the nation of Canada in Sid Meier's Civilization 6.* _Civ bonus:_ Not without my anus Starts with an Alliance with the United States. Default cultural victory over the United States. All American cities automatically converted to Canadian majority religion, and exert twice the pressure. _Leader Ability:_ Great day for Canada, and therefore the world. Natural gas yields are doubled when a governer is placed in the city. City amenities can go to 'hysterical' (one level above 'ecstatic'). Hysterical cities provide +10% science, +10% culture. _Unique Tile improvement:_ Pudding factory. +2 amenities, -1 appeal in all tiles. _Unique Unit:_ Celine Dion. Modern era melee unit, replaces Infantry. +12 combat strength. -2 Great Musician Points per turn.
Can I build a wall of Canadians warriors across the land so you can't pass? No suprise wars here tho! XD Oh let me surround your borders with archers . Where you going buddy? Want to attack? Sorry you can't! Offer open borders , are you sure you want to do that? XD to me feels like a troll civ. To me.
Nice video as always. I love your analysis. I think they’ll be a fun civ. so far I like them and especially the Maori a lot. Hungary seems a bit more generic. This expansion seems to address some of the biggest problems with civ VI. The late game can be boring now
If you look at 8:30, the Mountie isn't consumed when it creates the National Park. That's a rather big overlooked detail because instead of essentially spending gold/production for the Mountie with the intent of just turning it into a NP, you instead basically get the NP for free and get to keep the unit. Yes the Mountie doesn't seem as strong a unit as the Roman Legion but getting a free tile improvement on a military unit is a rare thing in the game so that bumps it up a notch; that's part of what makes the Roman Legions what they are. The Mountie also frees up all your faith for the game (assuming you're not going religion) by consuming gold/production instead which is usually a resource you have more of if you're not going religion. And the fact that Canada is a Tundra civ synergies with that because you'll have all the Tundra faith pantheons to yourself (other than Russia) which can generate insane amounts of faith.
At 21:47 there is a Ski Lift/slopes on a side of a mountain that you didn't catch! Very neat. I assume it's an Improvement due to there being two of them surrounding Hamilton. Anyways, I think they will be a strong Civ in the late game and may suffer in early game. I feel like Tundra farms should add .5 or 1 production/culture or something.... to help out "The Last Best West" trait as it's very weak if you ask me. I'm also curious if the Mountie stays with Canada the entire game and is not upgradable. I only say this because of the National Park function and the fact that Mounties are "Canada's Police" in the RCMP, they will always be a thing... I'm going to have to ask on their stream!
Seems Tundra settling necessitates settling where you have ocean access since you'd be getting resources from the shores that could compensate for low farm yield.
@@Riskaka 229? The united states is 242 years old Also for much of that time period britian (and therefore is canadian colonies) was also at war. America only has like 5 formally declared wars while there is a lot of undeclared wars cheif among them is probably the American revolution and Civil war those are the outliers in scale . The point being that america doesnt like the massive wars that typically defined Europe and Asia for centuries. Also from a game mechanic point of veiw teddy does not like wars canada doesn't either and can't declare supprise wars therefore the Ai will most likely love each other. While britain will possibly hate both of them for arbitrary reasons. WE'RE ON THE SAME LAND MASS VICTORIA AND YOUR "CONTINENT" IS SMALL ENOUGH TO ONLY HOLD LIKE 3 CITIES.
@@hexazalea1793 america has only been independant for 229 years I believe. Im not entirely sure but it's somewhere in that 200 range but yeah it's been at war for the majority of it's time
Hey, sorry for being late to the party. Amundsen-Scott Research Station wonder would be a consistent boost for Canada since the conditions to build that wonder is only viable for Canada and Russia. Also what is "extraction rate" ? Is it different from yields?
Apparently on that screen where it showed you who voted for the World Fair, there was a bit at the top where it said they *banned* Great Generals, and no-one would get any points towards them.
So now we have Canada and the Cree. Do we still have iroquois because that would be 3 Canadian Civs. Add the Inuit, the Mi’kmaq, and the Acadians and we’ll have a full house!
A dam IS a hidro-electric plant. A dam works by making water fall from the high part to the low part, passing through a turbine and therefore generating electricity.
@@pairot01 to create reservoirs. I live near the Peak District in the UK and it's reservoir central. Factoid, 617 squadron trained for the dambuster raid at a reservoir we regularly walk or cycle round with the kids. (Ladybower, Derwent, Howden)
Did I missunderstand? To avoid surprise war really early is a MAJOR boost. To avoid them later is still usefull (not as important though). RIP Persia AI vs Canada. Especially vs the AI who starts with half an army and several settlers (way ahead off me).
Doesn't the no surprise war bonus mean they're immune to attack until ~medieval era? My civ6 knowledge is subpar to say the least, I don't remember exactly when the other CBs are unlocked
I agree with pretty much your full evaluation of Canada. As far as we know, Canada is going to be weak. I think the best bonus they have is that you can't declare surprise wars against them. However not being able to declare surprise wars yourself is a big penalty. No more sniping settlers, builders or cities. And not being able to take over city states, that's just going to make early game so damn hard.
PotatoMcWhiskey Ah okay, my bad. Hey! I really wish you’d make a vid about the devs playing the new civs! And sorry bro, but your Magnus chop tactic is gonna’ get nerfed. Thanks for teaching me but this is the end
How game breaking would it be if Canada couldn't get formal wars declared on it and you needed another causes beli (making those actually worth thinking about when facing Canada)?
Essentially, you avoid conflict by getting the territory nobody wants, and you reduce conflict by taking surprise war out of the table. This lack of conflict (and the Diplomatic points we know nothing about) should make Canada very strong for a diplomatic victory. Or at least, that's what Firaxis is going for.
I believe Canada will be able to very reliably get a culture or dip victory against the AI, on any difficulty, but will be bottom tier in MP
@@lcg3092 Yeah, their main benefit in MP is no surprise wars which is pretty good tbh but good luck getting diplo/culture victory against other humans.
@KevinGoatDurant EasyMoneySniper In MP games 5 turns of preparation is often the difference between decisive victory and losing your capital. It's a substantial advantage.
Personally I'm not a fan of killing every civ, and i only really wanna build up on my civilization, plus I'm Canadian myself so playing civ 6 as Canada will be quite fun
Canada will be a strong counter against Persia, since Persia won't be able to declare a surprise war against them.
And they're a culture powerhouse which counters the Persian tile improvement.
What do you mean, we can’t declare war?
You can’t.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE CAN’T DECLARE WAR????
I AM SORRY BUT IT IS NOT NICE
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Ppl cant steal your settlers if you send them out unprotected in the early game and you get a 5 turn warning if they are going for it.
@James Wilkinson yeah but if they are turned off you are safe to go ahead and do it
except if you turn barbs off no one cares about your opinion.
@@reno88rhino2 Im not saying that I turn them off , but there are people who do.
I don't think the Mountie is consumed when you create the park, because when they next showed the unit it no longer had the tab on the side for building improvements. I believe that when you thought it got disbanded, it was just deselected.
Possible.
@@PotatoMcWhiskey I was right, confirmed in the live stream today. :)
Anyone else noticed on the world congress screen that everyone is allied with Canada except the US?
huh...
*MANIFEST DESTINY INTENSIFIES*
Trying to be relevant to 2018
@@SilortheBlade or its a coincidence and not a statement lmao
Unrealistic. Canada does not have a single friend.
Canada as a unified group and also a country was created so that the US would not invade the pre-Canada British colonies, forcing all possible troops in the colonies to beat back a possible American invasion instead of all possible troops in one colony.
So yeah, US v. Canada is quite accurate!
It's going to be me and Russia fighting over the Tundra, every game.
Laurier's ability negates Cyrus's ability, which could be a potential plus.
Yeah, was thinking the same... Cyrus: "You don´t surprise DOW anyone! I hate you!" Laurier: "Okay"... Cyrus: "I gonna surprise DOW you... wait a sec..." hrhr
They should get a bonus to camps. It would help them out early game and makes sense given their history.
Taters my man, I love these first look analysis videos you do. Please consider raising the volume of the lady, though. If I raise the volume enough to hear her clearly then your silky light brogue booms out quite overwhelmingly.
Merci, mon petit pomme de terre.
I'll look into it. I keep her quiet intentionally.
As a Canadian I somewhat understood that French. Thank you my little apple tart? 😂
Lol, it's a colloquiallism for potato, literally translates as "earth apple" (there's also 'pomme de la rue' meaning 'road apple', describing a lump of horse crap, languages are fun!)
As long as their start bias is "near tundra" and not "in the middle of tundra and nothing else" they should be quite powerful I feel
Yeah I'm really worried the start bias is going to shaft them too hard. Even as Russia, you don't want to be sitting in a bunch of unimprovable tiles because of "Wow +5 Faith in this city!". It just isn't worth it, Russia's bonus is terrible. Canada's scales at least but that's still not something you want handicapping your start.
Like the real canada 90% of people live near the us border lol
Scratching my head over food & production coming from hockey rinks!
A hockey rink is where you cultivate hot dogs.
Nachos
Production coming from harvesting gas? @@billybobismyrealname860
Are you serious? Have you been to a hockey rink? I think it’s so obvious where the food comes from that I’m not going to say where
When the weakest players from rival teams lose, they are consumed by Canadians in an orgy of blood, which few outsiders realize. In fact, it's the dark heart that drives all the outward Canadian niceness! Obviously this is a labor intensive process, creating many jobs.
There's more here than can meet the eye.
He is friend and have alliance with everybody. Meaning that he can do trades and make others do stuff wich can be interesting.
Inmune to suprise wars, meaning he can troll you at the early game having a lot of warriors around to block you. Also settlers can run free .
Yeah he looks weak but I think he has tricks. Gotta think outside the box here.
With panteon and extra food early game he can make more districts faster to catch up what he is lacking.
We don't know what's new in terms of cards , mechanics etc. So he can be even more trickier with those.
The way I see it they are making civ. To use mechanics that has been in the game that nobody care to use and make them playable.
So he sure has strategy, so far every civ from this expansion has to be use in an outside of the box set of mind in order to play it.
That makes sense. The Maoris start at sea and essentially force you to have a navy. In addition their boosts are centered on unimproved tiles. Hungary your looking at River settles exclusively and is the first shown that benefits from a volcano nearby. Canada can make Tundra work and never have to be worried about being drawn into wars
Mounties are going to be amazing; the only civilization that can build a naturalist with military bonuses.
I doubt they'll be consumed when creating a National Park either. In fact, I expect them to be very useful for settling tundra tiles in the late game (since no-one else will want them), then planting a National Park easily and sticking around to defend the city as it grows thanks to the ability to place farms on tundra tiles. Just planting additional tundra cities for the park and hockey rink improvement to fuel that tourism for your culture victory or favor points.
The farms can be incredibly strong with st. basils cathedral.
It's not the farms that are strong in that scenario. It's the St. Basil's Cathedral :D
@@NeWildeSache its the fact that you can have both
Every time Civ uploads a video, I eagerly await yours next....
The best thing about Canada is that when playing against them, they cannot conquer your city states^^
Well they can, it's just you will be able to know about it in advance :P
You actually cannot declare war on a city state, since this always counts as a surprise war. The only way to conquer a city state would be indirectly by beeing at war with the civ that is its suzerain.
I just downloaded a mod that gives city states some starting units and build walls earlier on
Canada's definitely built to be a late game civ, considering how most of their bonuses are locked behind the civic tree. Your farms aren't gonna be more valuable than Russia's bonus until Feudalism, and will only start to outpace Russia with Civil Engineering/Replaceable Parts. The fact that you need to settle with these subpar starting conditions to get to a strong lategame leaves you particularly vulnerable, with the only benefit in that nobody really wants your tundra cities to begin with. The bonus resource extraction can't be accurately judged as of now, though it would be interesting for a diplomatic strategy to be trading resources for favor.
On a side note, that civil service wonder looks native american in structure. This makes sense with the Cree's bonus being tied to civil service as well, and might tie back to the longhouse's historical use of uniting tribes. If this is any indicator, this wonder could be tied to a diplomatic victory - though it's uncertain what bonus it'd specifically provide.
Maybe being immune to surprise wars helps you last longer early to reach a spike for the late game, also setling deep into tundra might keep other civs away for some time and avoid conflict. But they do seem undertuned.
Hey guys you should learn about the birth of the Iroquois/Haudnesonee Confederacy. I bet the wonder is the Lake Onondaga longhouse that housed the clans and leaders of the nations within the confederacy when they met to decide policy. It's not a Cree culture structure, and based on history of it being tied to civil service (the confederacy being born during the same real world era) I'm willing to bet hard money it's a BIG FAT HINT that the Iroquois is coming back.
@@cinnamonbeardstud I imagine what it would be like living inside a longhouse during a winter, the elders telling stories and fables from their past. Living here in Brazil it's hard to know what a harsh winter is like and we as a people have preserved very little of the native peoples culture in favor of eurocentric beliefs and customs. Would be cool to see more and more of the indigenous civs pop up in Civ VI, maybe the Iroquois and maybe some of the south american ones like the Tupi from Brazil and the Guarani from Bolivia, Argentina, Paraguai, Uruguay and western Brazil.
@@cinnamonbeardstud Yes, I had only mentioned the Cree due to how their own bonuses kicked in with civil service - something that may suggest the connection of native americans and this wonder.
On further thought, the idea of a diplomatic wonder this early on got me thinking. Call it speculation, but I'd be mighty interested if this wonder could do something like Canada's UA, and convert a resource into favor. Namely, the historical interactions between Massachusetts pilgrims and natives could be a nice basis for this wonder being able to convert food into favor: maybe +1 favor/turn per 10-15 base food (unmodified by citizen maintenance).
It's also good to consider how valuable Canada's conversion of tourism -> favor can be. Previous gameplay shows that your passive generation of favor is about +1 per tier government, and +1 per suzerainship. Assuming this bonus stays constant, that means that by the endgame you're sitting at a constant +4 favor, and maybe 1 or 2 extra depending on how competitive others are for suzerainship. With Canada's bonuses towards culture, you could easily get to 500 tourism by Atomic/Information, which on its own can provide an extra +5 favor (not counting any tourism modifiers). And if Canada is gunning for a cultural victory over diplomatic, you're still going to be getting a potential +10 favor by the endgame. On top of that, we already can see several resolutions that are available in congress, and they are much stronger than civ 5: bonus amenities/no amenities from a luxury, bonus gpp/no gpp towards a certain great person, and a dev stream also mentioned strengthened chops/no chops. And of course, the diplomatic victory points. As Canada, you pretty much have dominance over every congress resolution, and can use that to support its choice of victory.
You can easily get 2000+ tourism per turn with national parks and great works and bonuses, so it could be 10-40 diplo points per turn late game.
I think Canada is going to be really vulnerable until late game not just militarily, but overall as well. Canada gets NO innate yield bonuses, and Tundra farms aren't even a real gain until Feudalism. Look at the other post-Renaissance civs and what they have in the ancient/classical eras for a minute:
- America: +5 combat strength on the home continent, all diplomatic policies become wild cards
- Australia: Double production for 10 turns if someone declares war on you, huge yield bonuses from appeal for districts
- Brazil: Yield bonuses for districts adjacent to rainforests, spend less Great Person points when recruiting one
- Dutch: Adjacency bonus from rivers, culture/loyalty from trade routes
- England: Get melee units from founding cities
- Spain: Combat bonus vs civs of other religions
Canada's defense against early war is forcing people to denounce them, which gives early warning but at best only gives them as much time to produce a military as Australia without the bonus from liberating cities during the actual war. Australia, Brazil, and Dutch all get massive yield bonuses to compensate for not having strong early bonuses, while Canada just has to wait. You don't get bonus production from Canada, and even the gold bonus from buying tiles is kind of meek considering how little tile purchasing you often do. So all Canada really has going for them relative to other civs is Favor generation. That said, depending on how RELIGIOUS tourism is weighted with their main ability, I think Canada might actually have a niche "relic spam" strategy with the Reliquaries belief where they build a silly amount of early favor and puppet other civs to make up for their lack of direct bonuses.
This looks interesting, actually. Cities on the edge of tundra will potentially benefit substantially by cheaper purchase of tundra and snow as places to put districts without crushing decent tiles. Being able to break even on food on tundra is also helpful if you're aiming for population so you can build districts. In fact, I think that will be most useful in the mid to late game.
Hopefully, Canada will tend to start on the edge of tundra so that their early cities get the benefit of non-tundra tiles and then they can settle pure tundra/snow cities for later cities when tundra farms are more useful.
The good thing about all the tundra bonuses is that it doesn't mean Canada has to settle all their cities there, they will still be better off settling better land if they can get it. But it does mean that once the rush for the good land has reached its conclusion Canada will still be able to settle lands that will have been largely ignored by the others civs and still make good use of that land.
Also with its dynamic being pacifistic it will enable them to take land that nobody else really wants as an alternative to having to go to war in order to continue expanding. I think it is going to play out well … so long as you aren't hell-bent on a domination victory!
Canada should have oil sands and fracking.
They do! They get double extraction on oil wells in Tundra
Meaning more production shields or that 1 well equals the same as having 2?
@@yossarian3 In the new expansion, Strategic Resources (Iron, Plastics, Oil) are finite: each Iron Mine provides 2 Iron to build Iron-related units or structures, etc. Canada extracts twice as many Strategic Resources from Tundra, so you'd get 4 iron from a Tundra mine, so you can support twice as many Iron-related units/structures.
Thanks. I didn't know that. It's a little disappointing that the devs would cut off those resources. Could be hard to build a tank army.
@@yossarian3 Since those resources are tradeable, it makes for a more granular resource, especially if you have a lot of it. Also it means civs that rely to heavily on a resource they don't have enough of will have an extra incentive to make deals or go to war (i.e. to fuel your tank army you first have to invade the civ with the most oil. Hmmmm)
I wonder if that symbol in the Professional Sports civic is for a Ski Resort - as it looks like a tree with a pair of skis planted in the snow.
If you look at 22:00, there is a ski resort next to the national park
@@nicksterpick Cheers - I missed that :)
really like your work since i first came across it, cheers from scotland
Cheers
If I recall correctly, in Civ V you had world Congress projects (Worlds Fair, Olympics, etc...) that you supported via production in your cities. Once it was finished you got boosts for the first, second, and third highest producers. I’m guessing that mechanic is part of what we are seeing with the World Congress screens. My prediction is tomorrow’s live stream will confirm or refute this speculation.
I think the new item under Professional Sports is a Ski Mountain. I have seen that upgrade in other videos
Thought Canadian cities would automatically receive a luxury resource "marijuana" upon reaching the information era.
@Blue .Barrymore Canada just legalized recreational cannabis for the whole country.
That would be when they add Justin Trudeau as an alternate leader. And his power would be to mimic other countries leaders and make them laugh at his ineptitude.
Canada should settle on the border of tundra. early in the game you have decent tiles with grassland and plains and later in the game you can expand in tundra for cheap to cash in those bonuses.
I think they are missing a key bonus. like +4 combat strenght on tundra or snow tiles.
You might need a good pantheon to defend yourself early. God of the forge seems to be a must once again for yet another late game civ.
Also a good bonus early game : no one can snipe your unprotected settler so you can settle more where you please without an escort.
Question : What will happen of Toronto city state?
Toronto will be renamed
Your proposed strategy pretty much sums up Canadian history
Probably give them something like "building farms on tundra does not consume builder charges" - boom! Now they truly become adaptable to the colder climes.
No one in Canada likes Toronto anyway.
@@YukitsuTimes That's true
So I wonder if Toronto will be replaced as a city state considering its part of Canada
No, there will be two Torontos, obviously.
@@sineporfa9053 Well Seoul was a City State until Korea entered the game. Babylon took its spot
I'm sure it will, they said the same about Stockholm
@@goldosprey Babylon is now a civ in the new frontier pass.
The unique building unlocks before industrialization.
22:00 there is a ski resort build on a mountain :o
Good video!
The mountie doesn't consume when creating a national park (but it looks like its a one-time thing per mountie) How does this impact the strength of the unit?
Its much stronger
15:30 Well if you're playing a multiplayer game and happen to have Canada as a neighbour you could as well just keep denouncing them every 30 turns just so they won't know exactly when you're actually gonna declare war (if you're gonna do it at all)
Thank that forest with the airplane at 13:00 is probably the ski resort.
The new building at Professional Sports civics is probably the Ski Resort
Aye, good point, couldn't figure out what it was haha
@10:45 I think you overvalue Russia's Faith generation on tiles. Trading 1 Production for 1 Food + Farm Housing, I can see either way. Faith yields are either passable with a religion, or essentially worthless, and a few Faith from worked tiles tends to be a very small drop in the bucket of your generation from Holy Sites and religion traits. So I don't feel like Russia benefits from Tundra either, and definitely less so over the course of the game when Farms get additional yield bonuses but Russia's bonus doesn't change or scale.
I think you're spot-on as far as Tundra still being undesirable and agree with the board assessment. The starting bias is probably going to leave them very prone to weak starts and just being outpaced. I just think comparing them to Russia for Tundra was too biased for Russia's equal bonus given how worthless Faith can be and that investment in Religion can really slow you down. Ignore Religion, get a faster Campus or Theater Square or other Districts, snowball those bonuses.
So I think Canada will be comparable to Russia, but stronger in Science and Culture due to foregoing Religion and having better pop growth for Districts.
1. Faith is not passable even if you're not going for religion. It has extremely powerful uses at multiple points in the game. In fact faith is probably the second most valuable resource yield in the game due to its power, flexibility and uses.
2. Tundra growth isn't actually that bad with the help of trade routes, food buildings and settling near coast. Most cities only need 2-3 Districts to be useful which can be easily achieved by Russia.
Whether any of that changes in the expansion remains to be seen.
Canada bonuses help in the area where Tundra doesn't need help with, which is why I doubt they'll be anywhere near as strong as russia in the hands of a player. I'd rather start with plains tiles with +Faith than tundra I have to invest build charges into just to be on par with productionless grassland.
They look solid. A minor tweak that might be appropriate is +1 food on city centers built on tundra tiles just to help them grow a little more in a non-scaling manner when deep in the tundra. Cities built on temperate/tundra borders will be fine, but I worry those deep tundra cities will still be problematic.
This would also add a strategic element of trying to found cities on tundra tiles right next to temperate areas. To play off the bonus while still having some better tiles to work.
I'm still gonna go for a religion, just so I can found Beaverism.
Personally, I'm more interested in the history aspect of civ 6 rather than the strategy aspect
Why not both? Granted Canada hasn't done much compared to some of the other civs. I mean the German empire was the main power in the centra lpowers only 47 years after it formed. Still the pair of Canada and America or god help you the Trio of former British colonies America Canada and Austrlia will be a fairly peaceful alliance that will break you if it has to.
Ghandi nuking a Cree aircraft carrier is super historical
pizzaspy yeah, I also find the alternate history event to be kind of funny and a bit hillarious
@@hexazalea1793 I wish there was British India and British south Africa along with New Zealand
@@dnrspdr03canadian95 there is a special circle of civ6 hell for people like you. It involves a lot of Gandhi's in the atomic age.
The mountie is clearly not consumed, you see it make a Nat. Park then attack the barbarians. Also, looks like you can only stock up to 50 of any strat resource & that there is a "Ski Resort" of some type you can put on a mountain tile/
If you watch carefully, The mountie doesn't have build charges, so I am making the assumption that they are.
@@PotatoMcWhiskey Well charges normally insinuate that after you use the last charge the unit disappears. Since their are no charges I can assume 1 or 2 things. Number One, it has unlimited charges. Or Number Two, in the description, it has the ability to only do this once per unit and then is a normal Military Unit from there onward. Sorry, but I think you might have it backwards in your assumption. Charges=Death, no charges-no death! :D
@@PotatoMcWhiskey Only one way to really find out! twitter.com/CivGame/status/1072621345886924800
Legion doesn't die upon making fort
@@Rich-MarsEco I will explain my logic fully.
The legion has build charges as is not consumed when using them.
The naturalist has no build charges and is consumed when making a national park. Thats the extent of my logic.
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I think Canada will benefit from settling on the border of tundra and grassland in the early game, then plonking some cities straight in the tundra and snow in the late game, taking advantage of tiles that other civs will have avoided. Looks interesting, but the early game will be a challenge.
Canada seems good, but it's hard to say since nobody knows how good diplomatic favor is.
It's about time Canada was considered a civ and not the city state of Toronto
White Memilege or vancouver and quebec
I feel like this civ wants to build next to tundra, rather then ON tundra (early at least.) Once you get feudalism, I could see proper expansion into the area to be viable if you're picking up some good production resources.
O Canada, O Canada,
O artful land
O Canada
I don't know how it goes, okay? Never thought I'd ever say anything about Canada.
Maybe this is too OP but what if they gave them +1 food for tundra tiles. People in Canada can get food in whatever climate they are in. The Inuit manage to survive up north in cold temperatures year round by hunting seals as well as many provinces output lots of food even with their shortened growing season
If Canada get a tundra bias starting spot, you are probably going to get quite often the Island wonder spot.
A+. Mountie seems pretty strong.
I HAVE WANTED TO BUILD FARMS ON TUNDRA FOR SO LONG!
extra long for my maple lovers
With the new future era and the expanded culture and science victories, a lategame civ will not be as bad as in the base game and RaF, I think.
The industrial era will be the era in the middle, so a push starting there won't be as bad.
Also, it seems like they can earn a lot of favor, so via the world congress bonuses they may be able to gain some catch up.
The problem of exponential acceration still applies, just yields will get even more rediculous.
I haven't seen anything that really addresses that yet.
Please someone mod this to Terrance and Phillip!!!
*Terrance and Philip lead the nation of Canada in Sid Meier's Civilization 6.*
_Civ bonus:_ Not without my anus
Starts with an Alliance with the United States.
Default cultural victory over the United States. All American cities automatically converted to Canadian majority religion, and exert twice the pressure.
_Leader Ability:_ Great day for Canada, and therefore the world.
Natural gas yields are doubled when a governer is placed in the city. City amenities can go to 'hysterical' (one level above 'ecstatic').
Hysterical cities provide +10% science, +10% culture.
_Unique Tile improvement:_ Pudding factory. +2 amenities, -1 appeal in all tiles.
_Unique Unit:_ Celine Dion.
Modern era melee unit, replaces Infantry. +12 combat strength. -2 Great Musician Points per turn.
@@OmanshuThapliyal. Hidden Agenda: "I'm not your friend, guy!". Refusing a declaration of friendship request from Canada results in a formal war.
@@Edward-uy6qo Splendid!
Now all we need is someone to mod this.
Can I build a wall of Canadians warriors across the land so you can't pass? No suprise wars here tho! XD
Oh let me surround your borders with archers . Where you going buddy? Want to attack? Sorry you can't!
Offer open borders , are you sure you want to do that?
XD to me feels like a troll civ. To me.
just denounce them
@@SirAroace 5 turn wait.
In effect, the mounties now have the ability to create a large fort to defend borders. And this fort generates other useful resources.
Nice video as always. I love your analysis. I think they’ll be a fun civ. so far I like them and especially the Maori a lot. Hungary seems a bit more generic.
This expansion seems to address some of the biggest problems with civ VI. The late game can be boring now
If you look at 8:30, the Mountie isn't consumed when it creates the National Park. That's a rather big overlooked detail because instead of essentially spending gold/production for the Mountie with the intent of just turning it into a NP, you instead basically get the NP for free and get to keep the unit.
Yes the Mountie doesn't seem as strong a unit as the Roman Legion but getting a free tile improvement on a military unit is a rare thing in the game so that bumps it up a notch; that's part of what makes the Roman Legions what they are. The Mountie also frees up all your faith for the game (assuming you're not going religion) by consuming gold/production instead which is usually a resource you have more of if you're not going religion. And the fact that Canada is a Tundra civ synergies with that because you'll have all the Tundra faith pantheons to yourself (other than Russia) which can generate insane amounts of faith.
He looks like senator Palpatine of Naboo.
At 21:47 there is a Ski Lift/slopes on a side of a mountain that you didn't catch! Very neat. I assume it's an Improvement due to there being two of them surrounding Hamilton.
Anyways, I think they will be a strong Civ in the late game and may suffer in early game. I feel like Tundra farms should add .5 or 1 production/culture or something.... to help out "The Last Best West" trait as it's very weak if you ask me.
I'm also curious if the Mountie stays with Canada the entire game and is not upgradable. I only say this because of the National Park function and the fact that Mounties are "Canada's Police" in the RCMP, they will always be a thing... I'm going to have to ask on their stream!
Canada is the best Potato!
Seems Tundra settling necessitates settling where you have ocean access since you'd be getting resources from the shores that could compensate for low farm yield.
Here I was thinking we'd get a Tar Sands improvement XD
the ice hokey rink probably doesn't have 6 base culture it was just adjacent to 6 snow tiles
You are correct
He's THE BRAIN
Good Video. At 8:20 you can see a Technology bonus witch says own 3 privateers
CANADA!
thanks, potato
Lets just add the natural resource Maple Syrup to dominate.
canada and the US would make great neighbors in game, both loving peace and being able to create the worlds finest national parks.
both with unique cavlery units.
When has the US ever enjoyed any peacetime?
The US has been at war for like 222/229 years of it's time.
@@Riskaka 229? The united states is 242 years old Also for much of that time period britian (and therefore is canadian colonies) was also at war. America only has like 5 formally declared wars while there is a lot of undeclared wars cheif among them is probably the American revolution and Civil war those are the outliers in scale . The point being that america doesnt like the massive wars that typically defined Europe and Asia for centuries. Also from a game mechanic point of veiw teddy does not like wars canada doesn't either and can't declare supprise wars therefore the Ai will most likely love each other. While britain will possibly hate both of them for arbitrary reasons. WE'RE ON THE SAME LAND MASS VICTORIA AND YOUR "CONTINENT" IS SMALL ENOUGH TO ONLY HOLD LIKE 3 CITIES.
@@hexazalea1793 america has only been independant for 229 years I believe. Im not entirely sure but it's somewhere in that 200 range but yeah it's been at war for the majority of it's time
21:45, steel no longer gives you battleships or reveals oil on the map
Well observed!
5:10 - I think, based on the information given, it's going to be +1 Culture per adjacent Tundra tile.
The national park guy didn't die, nor did it have charges...
infinite parks????
It will probably either be consume or only have 1 use.
It'll probably be like the Roman legion that has build charges.
Hey, sorry for being late to the party. Amundsen-Scott Research Station wonder would be a consistent boost for Canada since the conditions to build that wonder is only viable for Canada and Russia.
Also what is "extraction rate" ? Is it different from yields?
Amudsen comes too late into the game to be relevant.
Extraction rate refers to how much of a strategic resource you get per turn. Its a new feature in Gathering Storm
Having (for example) a mine on iron now gives you iron per turn rather than just 1 iron, and Canada's ability doubles this amount.
@@PotatoMcWhiskey I'm assuming that it being too late also takes into consideration the new era's introduced correct?
@@khianidude It might change things, hard to tell.
Canada? CANADA? Nooooooo!
Just kidding I love you guys.
13:14 winter games, probably
The hard part is going to be surviving until the industrial era, once you are there you might have a real chance
Maybe, depends on what other ways the game changes
13:25 pretty sure that is the defense against waves from the first trailer
Time to analyse the new stuff in the canada livestream play- tunnels, rock bands, and so on.
Apparently on that screen where it showed you who voted for the World Fair, there was a bit at the top where it said they *banned* Great Generals, and no-one would get any points towards them.
Powerful Civ? Maybe not. Sure seems fun to play though.
Agreed
So now we have Canada and the Cree. Do we still have iroquois because that would be 3 Canadian Civs. Add the Inuit, the Mi’kmaq, and the Acadians and we’ll have a full house!
At the start you mention builders cost 2 food to maintain, I cant find anything about that on civ6 wiki, can you explain what that is?
Workers I.E. Citizens in a city. Not Builders.
A dam IS a hidro-electric plant. A dam works by making water fall from the high part to the low part, passing through a turbine and therefore generating electricity.
not all dams are powered.
@@PotatoMcWhiskey Really? Then why build it in the first place?
@@pairot01 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dam Endless reasons
@@pairot01 to create reservoirs. I live near the Peak District in the UK and it's reservoir central. Factoid, 617 squadron trained for the dambuster raid at a reservoir we regularly walk or cycle round with the kids. (Ladybower, Derwent, Howden)
Did I missunderstand? To avoid surprise war really early is a MAJOR boost. To avoid them later is still usefull (not as important though). RIP Persia AI vs Canada.
Especially vs the AI who starts with half an army and several settlers (way ahead off me).
Wee! I'm gonna love this Civ
oh shit i bet the pottery wonder is gobleki teppi
I called the ability to aid foreign powers in the wake of a natural disaster. Awesome inclusion
Devin Fernandez hah I like that too. And it fits with the real world
Doesn't the no surprise war bonus mean they're immune to attack until ~medieval era? My civ6 knowledge is subpar to say the least, I don't remember exactly when the other CBs are unlocked
Actually, now that strategic resources are stockpiled, double extraction will ensure that Canada stays strong, economically, in the the early game
I agree with pretty much your full evaluation of Canada. As far as we know, Canada is going to be weak. I think the best bonus they have is that you can't declare surprise wars against them. However not being able to declare surprise wars yourself is a big penalty. No more sniping settlers, builders or cities. And not being able to take over city states, that's just going to make early game so damn hard.
Makes sense we are just getting canada in the new dlc because we only got created 150 years ago
if they cant declare surprise war can you run an unprotected settler though other players territory and pick up all the tundra?
Is that ski resort? 21:52
Ma Boi lol how did he miss that? Good catch btw
8:47 yes yes it is
We already saw that in the first live stream. But the new thing here, we can see 2 Ski Resort, so it's definitely not a Wonder, but a building.
@@superawesomecaptainmcfluff9506 I saw it but didn't know what it was.
PotatoMcWhiskey Ah okay, my bad. Hey! I really wish you’d make a vid about the devs playing the new civs! And sorry bro, but your Magnus chop tactic is gonna’ get nerfed. Thanks for teaching me but this is the end
I think they should improve all the old basic civilization .With all these new mechanics i lost the interest to play them
Not remove. But definitely update
I cant wait for Guðni TH gets added
@de You should make a video about the 3 best civs for each of the 6 victory conditions.
Will Drake be a great musician?
Canada could be quite powerful if you stack tundra bonuses since hardly anyone uses them
isn't that a new leader next to roosevelt? I dont recognize it from the game, and its not a revealed one either
That's Canada's new icon.
Matthias?
How game breaking would it be if Canada couldn't get formal wars declared on it and you needed another causes beli (making those actually worth thinking about when facing Canada)?
can the tundra farms get food boosts form flood plains?
Yes
I wonder, if you take Canada's city as another civ, would it destroy all the tundra farms, or they just stop producing anything?