@@FelousMF not mentionning sand land yachting which is by the way the fastest “sailing machine” in the world (126 mph !!!!!).....I’ve a couple of world title in sand land yachting, had many time tried the DN ice boat. i allways think that they should switch to some of the new land yacht generation we have. But their communitie based on the traditionnal DN is just fantastic.
I rode on an ice boat made from a windsurfer sail and mast, a triangle of plywood and some bracing, with three rough machined blades made of 1/4" steel, and that's pretty much it. Sailed in on ice much too rough to ice skate on, no problem, at terrifying speeds, on Lake Pocotopaug in East Hampton CT. My point is, it doesn't have to be high tech or expensive!
@@venture17fly heuumm..... i wouild say a foiling boat as much more to do with an ice boat or a sand land yacht that with an traditionnal boat. foiling is still not flying (despite the sport marketing :) you are still in contact with the “ground element”. OK this is just a matter of interpretation because yes the manufacturing techno are pretty close to aero
@@damientelle Hydrofoil, aerofoil, whats the difference? Yeah, the fluid they operate in is different but the same principles apply. Normal boating relies on buoyancy, which is completely different.
@@venture17fly Does drag come from dragon? The English three, four and five letter words include a lot of very strange words. Drag sounds Viking. Just like York is a Viking name. Is drag from Scandinavia? Do you know what you are saying, when you say drag, stall, laminar? Or does every pilot just say drag, without knowing the eatymogollogy? And yeah, read the comments here, people that do not really understand the fysical world around them, they can talk the most funny mistakes, omitting obvious facts. Planes and sailing boats are pretty complicated, even when you know all the theory and practice combined. Drag has huge implications, both in air and in water. Not just speed, also courses you can steer or not. If you will crash on a rocky coast or not. And you see EVERYTHING changes in shape, faster it is, every time you buy something new. When will that end? Will kite surfers evolve to glider planes, having a foiling ancre in the water, hoisting that and flying away?
Yep, same principle. Skates have hardly any drag, and if you push them sideways, you get incredible speed forward. That is exactly what a well shaped centerboard does. Those foils minimize drag. There is a bloody efficient profile to the foils. And it works funny, because the drag is so low, speeds goes up, so you feel more wind, so you go faster, so you feel more wind. That circle only stops, because the wind is turning until it would blow you right on the nose. The shape of the sail will show you the limit. Have you seen those foiling America Cup monster yachts do a tack while they keep it foiling? They are so fast, even upwind. Velocity Made Good. Yeah, made excellent!
@@outremer91 they are not weight oriented at any cost, even the opposite. ice boat, land yacht, buggy kite we are most of the time too light. i was sometimes up to 30-35 kgs ballast to keep enough righting moment regarding of the wind condition. but for the iceboat, they used the extra bend of the mast to flatten the sail profil. thus yes somehow they are playing with the safety factor. but the first target is not weigh saving. finally this kind of spaghetti mast is solved in new classes using rotating wing mast. But the ice boat DN keep their original design, just allowing carbon for somes parts (masts and if i remember skate -despite the core holding the blade is still in wood)
That would be too cool if you weren't cold or fell through the ice. I had a sail car that I had rolling along at 45 mph when your face is some 2 feet off the ground it really seems to fly by
Like most racing boats they seem very poorly designed. Why don’t they have suspension and more gradual rocker so they don’t implode when hitting potholes
100kph? Cars regularly go at that speed... often more than that. The narrator says you feel like approaching the speed of sound? I am bit confused. 100 kph doesnt seem much, is nowhere near speed of sound (1235kph)
She is using hyperbole. She’s saying it’s a tiny craft and you’re inches off the ground. It gives the sensation of going much faster than you really are.
The lower you are to the ground the faster you feel like you are going, the open air and the sound of the skates on the ice would add to this effect, also the uncontrollability of the boat may create the same feelings of a car going *much* faster
Oh.. And then there's the fact that the wind is almost blowing you over and 1 small bump in the ice can send you flying into the ice. I don't know about you, but I'd be more relaxed in my luxury car than in an iceboat going 100
Finally some recognition for iceboating
I know, coolest sport in the world and barely any recognition.
Seems like really nice subcategory of sailing but it is not feasible in most countries because of the condition needed to ice-sail
@@FelousMF not mentionning sand land yachting which is by the way the fastest “sailing machine” in the world (126 mph !!!!!).....I’ve a couple of world title in sand land yachting, had many time tried the DN ice boat. i allways think that they should switch to some of the new land yacht generation we have. But their communitie based on the traditionnal DN is just fantastic.
I rode on an ice boat made from a windsurfer sail and mast, a triangle of plywood and some bracing, with three rough machined blades made of 1/4" steel, and that's pretty much it.
Sailed in on ice much too rough to ice skate on, no problem, at terrifying speeds, on Lake Pocotopaug in East Hampton CT.
My point is, it doesn't have to be high tech or expensive!
amazing to think that the 75ft foiling yachts are now doing these speeds
Its all about drag. A foiling yacht has more in common with an airplane than a boat.
@@venture17fly heuumm..... i wouild say a foiling boat as much more to do with an ice boat or a sand land yacht that with an traditionnal boat. foiling is still not flying (despite the sport marketing :) you are still in contact with the “ground element”. OK this is just a matter of interpretation because yes the manufacturing techno are pretty close to aero
@@damientelle Hydrofoil, aerofoil, whats the difference? Yeah, the fluid they operate in is different but the same principles apply. Normal boating relies on buoyancy, which is completely different.
@@venture17fly Does drag come from dragon? The English three, four and five letter words include a lot of very strange words. Drag sounds Viking. Just like York is a Viking name. Is drag from Scandinavia? Do you know what you are saying, when you say drag, stall, laminar? Or does every pilot just say drag, without knowing the eatymogollogy?
And yeah, read the comments here, people that do not really understand the fysical world around them, they can talk the most funny mistakes, omitting obvious facts. Planes and sailing boats are pretty complicated, even when you know all the theory and practice combined. Drag has huge implications, both in air and in water. Not just speed, also courses you can steer or not. If you will crash on a rocky coast or not. And you see EVERYTHING changes in shape, faster it is, every time you buy something new. When will that end? Will kite surfers evolve to glider planes, having a foiling ancre in the water, hoisting that and flying away?
Yep, same principle. Skates have hardly any drag, and if you push them sideways, you get incredible speed forward. That is exactly what a well shaped centerboard does. Those foils minimize drag. There is a bloody efficient profile to the foils.
And it works funny, because the drag is so low, speeds goes up, so you feel more wind, so you go faster, so you feel more wind. That circle only stops, because the wind is turning until it would blow you right on the nose. The shape of the sail will show you the limit. Have you seen those foiling America Cup monster yachts do a tack while they keep it foiling? They are so fast, even upwind. Velocity Made Good. Yeah, made excellent!
Of course this is a thing and of course it's awesome.
a wonderful day of iceboating, made MORE wonderful by the sounds of the Bard Brass Band!
Sailed a DN as a young man in Walled Lake back in the '70's. Great fun until you hit a block of ice from a fishing shanty.
I still have one and it's for sale. Like new condition. My Father built it in the mid seventies.
I live on walled lake! I’m 17 and I’ve been building one
I grew up in Michigan..I remember seeing these guys ripping it out on the lakes in the cold…Looks fun!
More, please!
My Father was Commodore of KEWASA ice yacht club in the 60's. Finger Lakes Region, Upstate NY.👍
Good video.
the shape of that rig under load made me feel queasy
just think that years ago the mast was in wood. the carbon allow higher bend but it was also the case with a “wood stick” !
@@damientelle These guys use so little carbon to save weight as well so that thing is probably near it's safety factor.
@@outremer91 they are not weight oriented at any cost, even the opposite. ice boat, land yacht, buggy kite we are most of the time too light. i was sometimes up to 30-35 kgs ballast to keep enough righting moment regarding of the wind condition. but for the iceboat, they used the extra bend of the mast to flatten the sail profil. thus yes somehow they are playing with the safety factor. but the first target is not weigh saving. finally this kind of spaghetti mast is solved in new classes using rotating wing mast. But the ice boat DN keep their original design, just allowing carbon for somes parts (masts and if i remember skate -despite the core holding the blade is still in wood)
@@damientelle Amazing works of engineering these things are. Thanks for the insight!
I'm going to be the first person to sail all the way from pole to pole with one of these and a small island cruiser.
Mad people having fun!
Show us the other classes of ice boats please , there are much faster than that .
This definitely falls into the "Why am I watching this" category
Crazy fast for laying on your back..
I love this
Do we know what DN stands for?
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Teşekkürler.
Awesome
Cuts to black are not transitions.
That would be too cool if you weren't cold or fell through the ice.
I had a sail car that I had rolling along at 45 mph
when your face is some 2 feet off the ground it really seems to fly by
Never seen a truer example of an apparent wind boat. I dont think there was a single time where someone wasn't sheeted in block on block
minecraft reference?
"Good luck, 47."
Like most racing boats they seem very poorly designed.
Why don’t they have suspension and more gradual rocker so they don’t implode when hitting potholes
the one thing missing from breath of the wild
Bros playing minecraft
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So that ice is flat, right?
LaaaAAAaaabs!
"yachting"
What do you mean by "kph"? Not knots, right?
kilometers per hour
Michigan man die from ice boat bring me here
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Weed is illegal, and this isn't?
i do live in Jamaica and i had practiced ice boat/ sand yacht somes years ago..... I couldn’t better agree with your comment ! :)))))
Not clear to me how you can run faster than wind, the same wind is pushing you... (?)
Many sailboats can. Sails are wings not parachutes. You are not really "pushed" ....
Kia ora
Wazzzup broos
Wellingtonian here. I did three days of this in Sweden about 15 years ago. Much fun
100kph? Cars regularly go at that speed... often more than that. The narrator says you feel like approaching the speed of sound?
I am bit confused. 100 kph doesnt seem much, is nowhere near speed of sound (1235kph)
4 - 5 times faster than the true wind on an open boat, surrounded by ice.
She is using hyperbole. She’s saying it’s a tiny craft and you’re inches off the ground. It gives the sensation of going much faster than you really are.
Speed perception is very different from absolute speed. Going down a hill in a shopping kart at 30 kph feels a lot faster than 100 kph in a car.
The lower you are to the ground the faster you feel like you are going, the open air and the sound of the skates on the ice would add to this effect, also the uncontrollability of the boat may create the same feelings of a car going *much* faster
Oh.. And then there's the fact that the wind is almost blowing you over and 1 small bump in the ice can send you flying into the ice. I don't know about you, but I'd be more relaxed in my luxury car than in an iceboat going 100
Pretty sure anyone doing this is rich as f
minecraft
Same, I thought this in minecraft was just quirky videogame physics, not real life. Today I learned otherwise.
35 knots in 5 knots of wind? I call BS!
Nah, it’s deffo on the upper end but 7 times the windspeed is not impossible