Rome's New Political Order (48 to 46 B.C.E.)
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Adrian Goldsworthy, "Antony and Cleopatra" | amzn.to/2SMypSh
Arthur Weigall, “The Life and Times of Marc Antony” | amzn.to/2HlkCA6
Kathryn E. Welch, "The Career of M. Aemilius Lepidus 49-44 B.C." Hermes 123, no. 4 (1995): 443-54 | www.jstor.org/stable/4477106
Anthony Everitt, "Cicero: The Life and Times of Rome's Greatest Politician" | amzn.to/2SPtnEs
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"...and so they crossed the Pomerium with weapons."
Me, who learned about the Pomerium two months ago: "oh my god, they crossed the pomerium with weapons. Unthinkable."
VanVelding They crossed the Pomerium with weapons? How could they cross the Pomerium with weapons?? Didnt they realize they were crossing the POMERIUM WITH WEAPONS??
I literally bursted out laughing
When they crossed the Pomerium with weapons,
"ABSOLUTELY BARBARIC"
Rofl
THEY DID WHAT?!!!
It reminds me of the saying, if you owe the bank 100$, you have a problem, if you owe the bank 1 000 000 000$, the bank has a problem.
True enough. I was expecting Caesar to turn around and fan up the debt abolition movement, then pass a bill over the Senate's veto and have bags of cash to fight his war.
@@Archangelm127 that would have been genius too
There's a variation on this from the Argentinian side of my family: One night Abraham was tossing and turning in bed, unable to sleep. Sarah, his wife, was quite disturbed by the ruckus, so she finally had to ask what was wrong. Abraham groaned pitifully and told her, "Sarah, I have a debt of 100 shekels I need to pay Moses tomorrow, and I don't have the money." Sarah pondered a second, silently, then got out of bed and moved to the window. She opened it and threw a half-yelled whisper into the street: "Moses!" Nothing. Again, "Moses!" A light went on in the upstairs room of a house across the way. Moses leaned out of his window and groggily grumbled back, "What is it, Sarah?" Sarah told him that Abraham was by no means going to pay his debt tomorrow and closed her window with just enough force to give her message ample punctuation. Lowering herself back into bed, she informed Abraham that now Moses was the one who would not be sleeping tonight, turned to face the wall, and pulled the covers over herself with conclusive gusto.
Archangelm127 that’s the genius of what caesar did.
He made a bad situation a win-win for himself.
Caesar was a fucking political savant. He has a problem and he makes that problem work for him.
@Alexander Strickland It's a stroke of genius. You take your enemy's plan and make it part of your plan.
Just like Fisk in season 3 of Daredevil, or Grindelwald in Crimes of Grindelwald. Except Ceasar did it in real life which is even more impressive because he didn't have plot armour.
Friendship ended with ANTONY
Now LEPIDUS is my best friend
Caesar - 46 BC (probably)
make it a picture. xD
Also Anthonius was probably in Caesar’s will as the heir until he messed up here (since he was second cousin of Caesar’s and second in command). He didn’t know Octavian yet, and it’s unclear exactly when Caesar made him the heir. So if Antonius has managed to rule Rome competently here he would have benefited big time later. But Cicero’s accounts of his actions (which are the main sources on Antonius) have to be taken with a grain of salt, those two hated each other.
surprise plot twist:
Anthony deliberately lowered security around Caesar to allow him to be assassinated for this ...
and then he proceeded to pretend to love Caesar to whip up the crowd so as to lynch the Liberators for his own gain
Has anyone else got the impression that Caesar was a surprisingly terrible judge of character? I mean, come on, how can you not see that shit coming? He can't have been that good at hiding how much of a fuckup he would be at politics?
@@raylast3873
it may be a lack of good choices, as a manager myself i can tell you it's not easy to find the 'perfect' talent, who's also willing to serve - i mean... if they are that talented they probably either want to be your boss or become their own boss...
You know Anthony was bad when the senators are relieved that Caesar is coming back
I mean there was plenty of the of Caesar supporters in the Senate at this point. And whatever else you say about him, he never had these kinds of issues Antonius had.
Actually Derek, the clean-up of the mob was done by Anthony WITH the consent of the senate and the mob was enticed by Dolabella, one of Anthony's former rivals. Anthony became Caesar's Co-consul and Dolabella lost all political significance. That doesn't sound like an angry Caesar to me. Anthony was actually freed to spend his time getting the money back that he owed Caesar for the purchase of Pompey's property. Anthony was the only one with enough money to buy the property, yet he hadn't enough money to just buy the land of the former wealthiest man alive so he had to find some money - especially because Caesar needed the money for his campaign. Everything about Anthony being reckless is straight out of Cicero and Augustan propaganda, because they were his enemies. It is true he would dine and drink with his soldiers sometimes but his soldiers loved him for it. It seems he had been competent at the head of Rome otherwise he would not have been given the office of Consul soon after. And after Caesar died he managed to deal a peace between both the Caesarian faction and the republicans/Caesar's murderers, and that had to take a great deal of political power and competence. Lepidus also swore alligiance to Anthony without question when Caesar died so it doesn't seem there was much doubt about who was second in command.
@@DanishCamp Fortune Finder I havent read enough about Antony to dispute most of this things with certainty but I would still like to discuss them. (Im DerekGuerrero btw, just using my school account)
1) The fact that the senate approved of the clean up mop does not make it a good idea, or at least the way in which it was done, also Antony was still the un-oficciall representative of Caesar in Rome so I doubt the Senate would have much opposition to the clean up anyway.
2)Antony becoming co-consul is a rational move on my opinion disregarding his abilities, by this point Caesar had just won complete control over the Roman Republic he needed a loyal man at his side so that he could put everything back in order, I dont think that by itself proves Anthony's capabilities. If he was indeed that good after all Caesar wouldntn have skipped Lepidus over him.
3) Caesar acutally made Dolabella one of his generals and tried to elevate him to consul a couple of times so he didnt lost all political significance.
4)Regarding his actions after the assasination plot, I will agree that he perfomed pretty good managing to pull of a peaceful resolution to all of that, well at least until another civil war started against Caesars assasins which makes me think he should have assaulted the capitol hill when he had the chance and kill the members of the plot.
5) Lepidus, at least from what I can see from his role in history, always seems to me to have been more of a follower than a leader, making him joining Antony as the most logical choice at the time rather than a testament of how great Anthony was.
6) Have in mind that after the plot, Antony was left as the most powerful man in Rome, and from that position he gradually lost all his power by essentially alienating (with some help of Oc tavian no doubt) the Roman senate and public.
@@derekalbertomelladovazquez2561 (6 )You see the things from the viewpoint that Anthony is the only one with agency and that everything happens because of him and not that he is affected by structures from the outside, also. He did not alienate the senate and the republic - think about it even Caesar was assasinated by a large reublican faction in the senate out of failure to keep the peace - Anthony however, struck a deal that brought peace which is a testament to his political strenght. It is true that peace did not stay, as the leader of the republican faction, Cicero was working against him and over time turning over followers as well as Octavian working against him tuning over Caesar's veterans to hunt down the Caesar killers. In the end the control of the veterans was more important to Anthony's power than the political one and he had to react to Octavian stealing his veteran followers. In this way, he had to break the peace and chase down the Caesar killers - because otherwise he would loose veteran support to Octavian. By doing this he ensured that he still had the larger part on the veterans on his side (it was only in the following 10 years that Octavian gradually turned over more), but at the same time the peace was broken. Not because he was weak but because he could not sit back and see his power decline. Had there not been an Octavian and a Cicero granting him power, then the peace might well have been lasting for much longer.
1) When the senate encouraged Anthony to take action, they cannot have been mad at Anthony for doing so, as stated here. Although fear of Caesar would keep the senate from much, they were still a powerfactor important to enough to have the support of. The senate asked him to do it and Antony did not act first; if they were opposed to the idea they could have kept from proposing it until Anthony would force it upon them, but they did not.
We have no evidence that Caesar would have done otherwise if he was in Rome at the time that it happened. Maybe, but we cannot know.
2)If Caesar only wanted a loyal man in charge of the troops he could have just made Anthony Master of the Horse, yet he chose to give him administrative and political power by making him Consul as well.
3) Caesar would obviously try to prevent such an event again by giving Dolabella something to do without making him a martyr. In any case Caesar let Anthony block Dolabellas attempts at higher office, which is also a testament that power affects both ways and apparantly Anthony had enough power to do so. For an example, the military wasn't just followers to men of power but a powerfactor in society in themselves which is shown by them picking and choosing between commanders but also all their civil attendments giving them authority. This is why smart power is better than just hard or soft power.
If Caesar was not satishfied with Anthony he would probably not be promoting him instead of punishing from his actions. If Caesar put Anthony in a position it was exactly because he wanted him there and thought he could do best there.
4) Just killing the assassins would have put him in the same tyrant position as Caesar. By having everyone in support of him he would seat himself in a much stronger position long-term with less fear of assassinations. But as I said that plan was dumped when he had to act on Cicero and Octavians growing power.
5) Lepidus was older than Anthony and in a favorable position - he had the military at the time of Caesars death and could have chosen to either take charge or supporting others to dismiss Anthony - the fact that he and the other Caesarian leaders didn't and chose to give their full support to Anthony instead is a testament to Anthony's political power over the Caesarian faction. Also he was the obvious next person in command. Lepidus actually did take charge during the Triumvirate when he invaded Sicily and he did have a following of veterans. It is just that Octavian and Anthony had more power over the veterans overall than he had.
I Recommend you read the article by Ramsey: Ramsey, John T. Did Julius Caesar temporarily banish Mark Anthony from his inner circle? Classical Quarterly. May 2004. vol 54, no. 1: 161-173. which dicusses all of the arguements that he did somthing incompetent at this time.
Also, for the different powers of Anthony and how they evovled over time read the thesis on Academia "Mark Anthony's power base".
Maybe that was part of his plan.
Though Caesar probably didn’t expect him to be as incompetent as he turned out to be.
Caesar spinning Cicero 'round in a joyful embrace is now something I can imagine, thanks to the power of squares.
Scullys Tie “We merely quarreled a bit!”
How can two squares be so adorable?
same
Squares are warm and sensitive
Yeah, its amazing:D
Everyone in rome playin checkers while Caesar is playing Paradox-Billiards-Vostroyan-Roulette-Fourth-Dimensional-Hypercube-Chess-Strip Poker
So a children's card game?
The best game in the GALAXY
Pablo Aragon best I’m game in the multiverse
The only thing complex about this game is its ban list
Mega Ultra Chicken > all
And the Bibulus Award goes to....: Marc Antony!!!!!!
Comment of the year!!
Ye (700)
It should honestly bear both of their names
Oh boy, cant wait to see my boy caesar go back to rome and fix all the problems, then later return rome back to a republic. He will probably live for at least another 20 years right?
Yeah I bet he'll make so many more awesome campaigns and smart moves and tactics, maybe even go avenge Crassus... right?
Right???
Guys?
I don't know. He was already 55 in 46 BC, and he suffered from epilepsy. I think 20 years is a stretch.
@@GardEngebretsen 10 years is enough for the C-man.
I bet he'll invade parthia with antony and find nothing but strategic success!
@@GardEngebretsen They said Octavian would die in his 20s and he lived until 75
The day when HC will report the death of Caesar will be the saddest.
Thanks for spoiling it...
Man im dreading that episode so much. Good thing he already set up somewhat of a new series by going a bit deeper on the story of Alexander.
Don't worry. He will probably follow up this series with a new one about the life of octavian
Wait what?
Not to mention the murder of Cicero.
That square-hug was something els...
Imagine if there were paparazzis back then!
I imagined Caesar hugging Cicero, picking him up, and spinning around with Cicero still in his arms.
@@danlorett2184 yes
"No homo"
@@gaiusjuliuscaesar8450 No Romo
Caesar: "I just divided the republic in a civil war, how could things get worse?"
Mark Antony: "Hold my beer."
Mark Antony:"... Actually, I'll keep my beer."
Mark Antony: “Hold my beer”
Caesar: “But it’s empty”
Mark Antony: “ That’s why you’re holding it. Senate time baby!”
not gonna lie, Caesar's solution to the debt abolition problem blew my mind
I don't get it. Can someone explain?
Caesar basically turned a revolt which could break down Roman government into a scheme to completely remove any threat of rebellion, while also putting the rich into his pocket and churning out new politicians who are aligned with him.
Caesar has Galaxy brain 100000 IQ plays, after all
@@BetaDude40 Why would all the rural rich people lend all their money to Caesar when he was in a civil war (relatively high risk of defaulting) and debt abolition was the hot topic of the time and more or less likely to become law?
@@pary8245 Caesar was almost victorious by that point so lending him money would likely make the war come to an end on a shorter notice, thus bringing back stability. Also, the debt abolition scheme was on the agenda of Caesar's opponents.
@@pary8245 As said in the video, Caesar convinced that if rich supported his campaign, war would be over, and war is bad business for the rich
hey wait a sec this video was uploaded on the Ides of March oh god oh fuc
The Ides aren't over yet!
I would lose my shit if he posts a new video tomorrow.
Mekova, he isn’t at Ceasar’s death yet. There is still one camping in Hispania. And he did a lot of legal changes so there might be similar video to this even after that, since I think HC will make the most out of his death and not just include it in the end of the episode.
Now I fear that we will have to wait for another year until we get to that part ...
... but wait, we don't use the julian calendar anymore, so we might be still good there!
@Alexis Hazel DeSilva You know you spoiled HC's wonderful story, right? A pox on you house!
@Alexis Hazel DeSilva THEY HAVE SUNLIGHTBLADE AND THE HORNET RING CAESAR WATCH OUT!
Every time Mark Antony made something I imagine Cesar getting drunk screaming Labienus name and crying himself to sleep.
I wondered why Italian Aristocrats, Conservative Senators, and the Adiles absolutely hated Mark Antony's guts (before his embarrassing loss in Parthia) when from a political policy standpoint, he Antony was a better match than Caesar or Augustus to their interests. And now I know that during his time in charge he alienated pretty much everyone possible.
@@alex_zetsu You saw how he treated them. He was dependant on caesar's name and protection to do all that idiocy.
why why, how could a man who met caesar be so childish....
Yeah, I have no idea how he could be so petty. If Antony was no Labienus but at least a capable tactician just a mediocre politician, I bet Caesar and Antony would both have much longer careers (and in the case of the latter, a lot more successful)
LOL
Caesar might have been "crazy like a fox".
Antony was hated by most other Romans.
That meant that he had little to no chance of overthrowing Caesar and promoting himself from #2 to #1.
After Julius Caesar died, Antony tried to make himself #1 ... and lost to Caesar's much younger nephew, Octavius.
Did Caesar deliberately put a weak-willed man in the #2 position to make it easy to control him, and for his heirs to defeat him?
It's an unanswerable question, but Caesar was quite good at outmaneuvering opponents by anticipating their moves.
Nobody heard from Caesar for 6 months.
Caesar: swims across the port with a bunch of maps.
I've noticed that there is a relationship between me watching Historia Civilis youtube channel and playing Total War game series
Yup! I watch this series, I replay Rome total war. First one, of course.
Yup, I've been in this cycle for decades!
same! rather play against the romans than with them though
A positive correlation
me too
Caesar giving Cicero a hug is the most wholesome thing I've ever seen
Wholesome squares moment
If there's a single moment that demonstrates the utter brilliance of the little coloured squares concept, it's this.
(That, or the zoom on CATO in that other episode).
I loved that moment : )
I still love that moment :))
Caesar: "I like you Lepidus. Your name sounds like Labie- I mean, you're a good general. You won't betray me"
Lepidus: "cool, thx"
Labienus more like La penus
I laughed a lot at this but I don't have any friends to send this to, no-one will get this
See, this is why i love Julius Ceasar. There's a lot of generals who could take a large, well trained army and win battles. There's fewer who can pull out absurd plans and win battles they've no right to, but i really cannot think of anyone else quite on the same level when it comes to ignoring politics back home to a nearly critical degree, then spining it into their own favour with such apparent ease.
Well Caesar was successful politician firts and later in life became a general as well. That’s why he is different to many other generals.
Napoléon
@Cesar Adolfo the apex of roman glory and power was in the empire
@Cesar Adolfo you could argue that he and especially augustus strengthened the republic by transforming it to an empire, as the republic had too many unsolvable issues and has been in decline long before caesar.
Just goes to show how similar everyone else either tries to be or is naturally just a clone and how shocking free thinking choices can seem
When you get into so much debt that you would be the biggest beneficiary of debt abolition
Outstanding Move.
And you use that fact to enforce your political objectives, avoiding debt abolition (when you would be the biggest beneficiary of debt abolition). This is beyond genius.
He also effectively created a pretty effective ultimatum for Rome’s land owners to back him. If I don’t win you’ll never get your money back.
@@infidelheretic923 This is what I don't understand. Why would land owners want debt abolition in the first place? They were wealthy enough to lend money to Caesar so that means they weren't in debt to anyone. People owed them. What would be their benefit of debt abolition?
@@clansman89 It wasn't to convince the land-owners, it was to convince the anti-caesarians to stop promoting the policy which had basically become a rallying cry for anti-caesarians
It would be like if in the US many left-wing/democrat protests started popping up to make transgender political candidates have votes for them be valued more than non-transpeople, and then the entire republican party announced themselves as trans
@@wilsonsilva2918 That's a pretty good idea actually
Your videos are the highlight of my month!
@Don’t mind Me Skillz
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Its strange. Its all so perfect. The narration, the story, the graphics... just too good.
couldnt agree more
Why is Lepidus like a second Labienus
*le-benis* haha lol lol!
shoutout the 1 person that upvoted my le-benis comment, ur epic
Groovy Greg ur epic
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One is a good governor, and the other is a good general.
I remember being shocked at how HBO Rome portrayed Antony thinking some producer must have had an axe to grind only to realize that wasn't even the half of it. It's too bad no one ever recorded what caused Caesar to dump Labienus for Antony and I suspect he probably intended to replace Antony with Lepidus permanently at some point had he been given the chance. The guy (Antony) was like antiquity's version of a perpetual fratboy.
You are saying this because of the views of Cicero who was Marcus antonius enemies
@@ap9812 Cicero wasn’t just making stuff up, at worst he was embellishing. Antony was not known for his prudence or his calm temperament. Antony was an excellent commander and a mediocre politician with a self control issue.
@@Dap1ssmonk he exaggerated things, many people will not know that ceaser was also in huge debt too before entering politics and that ceaser was also a drunk ands womanizer too but Cicero had to attack Antony with all of those immortalizing and spoiling the name m. Antonius and his reputation for all time
@@ap9812 Caesar was a womanizer but he swore off drinking early in his life, he still struggled with it occasionally but he was certainly not a drunk.
@@Dap1ssmonk I can see you are defending ceaser but you eagerly condemn Antonius for the same vice, Antonius was just unlucky, even the enemies he faced in battle from 44 bc were top class the only midiocre opponent he faced he easily defeated Armenia unlike other Romans who could conquer small countries and hype up their military victories Antonius never had such luxuries and I quote Plutarch no other roman was able to defeat Parthia as at the time of his writing life of Antonius
"The plan that Caesar came up with is just so next level you just have to marvel at it"
*Caesar pulls some spectacular 4d chess moves*
"But here's the really genius bit"
Oh, Caesar, you've done it again...
*gets stabbed 23 times for it*
By this point I half-expect Historia Civilis to ask about how he can elist in the 13th every time he visits Italy.
Finally, the other channels can try to talk about Ancient Rome but there is only one consul.
There was actually 2 every year. Even during the empire
@@saraskywalker2127 r/whoooosh?
There is only one Dictator.
@@duxveritatis2569 Dictator wasn't the same as consul.
Sara Skywalker But historia civilis is the senate, so your statement is treason
@@saraskywalker2127 r/whooooosh on the double
Hyped! This is an excellent morning present!
"Io Caesarnalia?"
"Io Juliusnalia?"
Uploaded on the Ides of March...
*FORESHADOWING INTENSIFIES*
Well, more like backshadowing chronologically speaking.
@@izzyj.1079 Time does not move in lines. It moves in circles, THAT IS WHY CLOCKS ARE ROUND!
I remember a few years ago, when I started reading about Caesar on wikipedia. I'd never learned about him in school but when I read the wiki page, his entire life story was so fascinating. I read his wiki page, and then each one of the julio-claudian emperors. I got a little annoyed after reading about Nero. Every time I watch your videos, it's that same same fascination coming up the surface again, and then finishing with that smooth-as-fuck outro music. Your channel is one of the best on youtube.
its hard to judge nero properly, as many of his actions were only documented after his death by his enemies. most famous example would be his reaction to the burning of rome.
Nero amd caligula always irk me the most, tbh after ceasar the emperors got progressively worse. And ceesar was already a shaky moral standard to start from
My first day off in 12 days and this gets posted? The gods are indeed good.
oWallis why does this say “6-days-ago”?
Slav Patriarch makes sense
The god*
@Yummy Bread You're welcome to your beliefs, but other people are welcome to theirs too.
Besides, I don't think it was serious. Probably was a Game of Thones reference actually, people say "if the gods are good" or "gods be good" all the time in the books.
@@Pro_Butcher_Amateur_Human I get it is from pop culture, but I grew tired of it because it is still blasphemy, I grew tired of ignoring because an urge grew inside my chest to spread the right word. I am letting steam off a bit by bit in ahealthy way withouth turning it into a vile chain of comments.
6:40 Caesar and Cicero a big ol' hug visualized, _colored_ (48 to 46 B.C.E.)
Nice animation :D
Will Cesar manage to paid up his debt ? What will happen to Mac Anthony , and will Rome republic restore . Next time on Dragon ball Z
Find out, after the break! (music plays)
*Ancient Rome Z.
Roman Ball Z
Next time on Ancient Rome Z, Antonius Goku will use the jupiter balls to wish back Julius Caesar, but can be do it in time? Can he revive Rome's Greatest Leader before the evil King Freisus of Germania sacks Rome? Tune in next week to find out!
Meanwhile in 43 BC...
Roman: "ain't nobody can challenge Antony's power now!"
Octavian: *"hold my wine"*
Love the little detail were you replace 'beer' with wine BRILLIANT eye to detail. beer WHAT are you some kind of barbarian!?
"hold my milk bottle"
Oh man that debt thing was a true galaxy brain move
Ive read about Caesar and Rome numerous times, but by watching your videos i realized one thing i had in front of my eyes all the time: Caesar did a lot of awesome Stuff that at the same time helped dig his grave. It was like a Snowball effect. I love Caesar man, most baddas/smartest politician
Some say that Caesar is man that pull ever more audacious acts to escape the consequences of the previous audacious acts until he accidentally ends up becoming a legendary hero.
"Sometimes ancient societies would find themselves in a financial death spiral, were an ever growing number of poor people would find themselves saddled with multi generational debt."
.... "ancient"?
dont tell me youre cool with debt abolition. Tell me youre cool with fixing corrupt or broken legislation through legal and just means. Tell me youre cool with impeaching corrupt or broken statesmen. But dont tell me youre cool with debt abolition.
@@jamesfinlinson5545 - I'm cool with debt abolition... within reason of course. I don't want people to buy mansions and sports cars and then get off scot-free. But there's plenty of families and students who are just starting out and whose future is already crippled by the iron grip of insatiable banksters, and I think the state tends to side with the wrong people here and that needs to change.
Brother, the state has no business in people's private affairs. It may well be true that a reasonable debt abolishment could come in handy, and yet, why does the state have a say there? Multi-generational debt is a no-no. That's the only thing that the state should have a hand in, making that illegal. As for debt, there should be no other interactions between a state and a private institution.
@@jamesfinlinson5545 - I don't buy this idea of "the state has no matter in private affairs", because it does not exist in reality. Every state that has ever existed meddles in private affairs all the time, it's what makes it a state in the first place. The question is how, and we need to shape this "how", and I think it's biased towards big business right now.
@@steve1978ger I disagree. States were designed to serve the public by protecting the public's rights. States *do not* have the right to violate people's privacy, unless an individual person has given reason to not be trusted. I think that you are right when you say a state that respects people's privacy doesn't exist. But I think they should exist, and that we should create one nonviolently and of our own volition. States shouldn't have the right to interfere with corporations, unless it's because the companies' actions are directly harmful to the public. In which case, the State has the right to interfere, *only* because the company is harming the state's masters.
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I... damn... I just... I saw Caesar's plan and I yelled "What?" because... geez... that man was a genius...
Wonderful video as always, loving the simple but effective style. Great job with all of this, and happy Ides of March!
Box politics is back. :D
Praise the Boxissiah!
Would be great if the news took that format for todays politicians.
Game of Boxes
ROUMAN BAWKSES
And now back to Championship Boxing!
Things are getting juicy
The scariest creepypasta is the Roman political system
The episode about Caesar’s death is gonna be sadder than the ending of infinity war.
Historia Civilis: Caesarity War
...sorry
E tu Mr. Stark.
mr Cicero i dont feel so good
Rooomy Tobber
The senate: what did I cost?
Caesar: everything
@@R3GARnator *Et tu
Another awesome installment. Proud to be a Patreon supporter of this content!
"Caesar ran up and gave Cicero a big ol' hug" is so cute, honestly. :-)
That borrowing money part was indeed genius. I am currently studying the rise of the State in 17-18th Centuries France and this is exactly what modern states are made of: a huge debt that gives incentive to everyone contributing to it, to root for the government, otherwise they stop getting interests. The sole difference (but an essential one) is that it was Caesar himself that got in debt and not an hypothetical Roman State. Interesting.
Could you give some reading on this? I know a little about the subject but little about the debt you speak of
When you watch historia civilis and want it to last forever but that outdo music comes ;-;
Historia Civilis is the best! I instantly watch any video you upload. Keep it up!
Same
Same
“We should abolish personal debts to make poor people’s lives easier”
“I feel personally attacked”
LOL nothing has changed
@masakasama Jeff Bezos really needs to stop visiting those payday loan companies...
@masakasama
Deep in the kool-aid, eh? Payday loans are purposefully predatory and designed to entrap the poor. People get payday loans when they need food, rent, have emergency expenses, or need to cover bills immediately. No amount of sophistry will change the facts.
@Stephen Jenkins
Payday loans are used to cover current living expenses and emergencies. They aren't large enough to fundamentally change a person's standard of living and interest rates on them are generally over 400%.
@masakasama The idea there even is a middle class in this society is propaganda made specifically to eschew actual class analysis. Call them 'first world, employed middle class citizens' all you want -- they don't control the means of production, their material economic relations render them working class.
@@ihatelaypeople8603 "Working class" that live far above the means of actual workers and would get the Holdormer treatment by those screeching about "helping the working class".
Patrons get to watch a week earlier? Dude, that's awesome.
My ides of March hasn't been good. Got a 70 on my Latin Exam. Thanks for posting this, really boosted my spirits.
This was one of the first history related channels I started watching, its unfortunate that the uploads have slowed down a bit, but the catalogue is worth going through at least twice. Thank you for all the work over the years.
It would be cool to have your videos with this level of detail until the fall of the empire. That would be super awesome.
The Eastern Empire I hope, that way he will be forced to keep producing them for the next 50 years
He could at the same time also do the holy roman empire to add another 30 years
"It's complicated, but sometimes ancient societies would find themselves in a financial death spiral where an ever growing number of poor people would find themselves saddled with multi-generational debts."
Oh, yes, very complicated, nothing at all like today. Next I suppose we'll here that the Patricians who were owed the debts declared themselves "Too Big To Fail" and demanded the Senate bail them out, while leaving the Plebians to their fates.
Well I mean the patricians are job creators and Atlas would let the sky fall on us if the patricians weren’t paid back. Cato-nomics 101 bro
@@keokihiga8462 you know, this is why people my age are embracing the term "slave revolt". Sure, Spartacus may have been bad, but with you guys, everything is a slave revolt. Increase the grain dole? "That would be a slave revolt!" Debt forgiveness? "Sounds like slave revolt to me!" Well, I'll tell you something: if you guys keep calling every halfway decent idea to fix the Republic slave revolt, we're going to come to the conclusion that slave revolt isn't such a bad idea!
Yep. My guy, nobody is too big to fail. You can only be too good to fail. The state should never bail out anyone; if you get yourself into a hole, you get yourself out of the hole. For you Far-Right people, that goes for the Patricians and for you Far-Left people, that goes for the Plebeians.
@@keokihiga8462 Sorry to have two comments in the same thread here, but Keoki if you're being sarcastic, keep in mind that if you don't want Atlas to let any skies fall on the Plebeians, don't let Atlas hold the sky.
@@jesseberg3271 That's such a braindead retort that my eyes are rolling back into my sockets, wtf
Edit: Also, sorry, but the Plebians of Roman society literally lived under what can be described as "absolute poverty" where people can barely survive. Unless you live in a society where 99.99% of the population live under such conditions, you have no business comparing your spoiled modern understanding of rich and poor to near-slaves of the Ancient world. So no, it's NOT comparable at all.
Caesar knew exactly what he was doing by unleashing Antony on Rome.
What I love about this channel is that unlike man, many other channels on Roman History, this focuses more on the political side, rather than all military history, something that is hugely underlooked in many other Roman History videos. Please keep at it HC! We love this so :D
Is it just me or does anybody else found a colored square spinning "out of control" way too funny?
You're a good narrator and the plain and minimalist representation really works. Keep up the good work man.
This is like that TV show you check in on every month or so to see how your favourite characters are doing and how the plot elements set up in previous episodes will figure into the story.
Anyone else let out a sigh of relief everytime a new vid comes out? I love this channel
Uploaded on the Ides of March. We see what you did there!
The first and only Patreon I ever subscribed to, please keep making these great videos
I've always enjoyed binge watching your videos. The recent comeback of videos about Rome is comforting. I hope you continue the work!
Caesar is almost as good at politics as he is as a general, holy JEBUs that debt abolition move was bloody genius.
You deserve so much more credit for the work you do
At least my consulship ended with a coronation.
Caesar ended with knives to his rear...
You are awesome dude. Both of you are my favourites
He died as a martyr. You died as a looser
He was a dictator perpetuo at that point.
Spoilers!
@@aramhalamech4204 Ironically, Napoleon was such a genius and his last oppoent, Governor of Saint Helena, Sir Hudson Lowe so petty and foolish that by the time of his death, the Emperor had the entire world convinced he died a martyr to British cruelty...
I can not believe how many of my favorite channels released videos this week. This is awesome. Thanks!
Are you going to cover the change Sulla made, making the curses honourum?
I wonder if he covers up to Augustus winning the Civil Wars and the goes back to the Gracchi. Because continuing on Augustus’s rule would be much less interesting that the earlier politics.
Well a story about Sejanus might be interesting. How his intrigue and strategy led to his death and rise of Caligula.
Thank Jupiter, another vid from HC. You’re one of the best content creators on YT!
Im going to Rome wth school starting tomorrow for a week! Yay, Im hyped
Have fun
Dont cross the pomeruim with weapons
These videos are absolutely brilliant. The way you tell stories is amazing. I have been put on the edge of my seat for months while watching boxes move across a map.
Another masterpiece. My favorite U-tube channel. The other channels that are covering the Gallic wars that have more effects and perhaps a larger budget do not even come close to matching the entertainment and information from your videos.keep up the great work and thank you for all your work it truly is a treasure.
Good history videos make you want to go and learn more about a topic. Great history videos make you want to avoid spoilers lol. This is a great for sure
If I owe the you $1000, that's my problem. If I owe the you $1Billion, that's your problem
You’ve gotten much better and smoother in reading your script. Keep it up
I'd just like to say that this is probably my favourite youtube channel. Love the work you're doing.
Every time I see a HC video I feel the urge of see all the previous ones too. This narration is more fascinating than any political intrigue novel or GoT.
Yeah! No other channels do this to me.
The consul in the lower left is just a trouble maker. He's always the dissenting voice, no matter the topic ;)
Highlight of my day seeing you have posted another video. Thank you
I get more excited for these videos than a lot movies or TV shows out there. The content is just so good. Who knew that little spiny boi boxes and great narration could be so good?
I bought a Caesar salad today because it's the Ides of March, and it's the perfect thing to eat while watching this video.
Never would i have thought ancient politics would be so damned awesome. Thank you for the best videos on youtube
that should be a tv series with Historia Civilis being the main advisor of how to make an accurate story with introduced details about battles and battletactics. Like a 5 or 6 seasons. Ive been binge watching this and it is sooo interesting. So clear and visually so easy to follow with a great sense of humor. Historia Civilis has made something really really special.
Can’t wait to see the next instalment of this story next month! Keep up the good work man
Never clicked on anything so fast. You make the best content on youtube my friend.
Man, I miss Labienus. If only Caeser had kept him in the know and trusted him as an equal he would’ve been a far far better Marc Antony
I don't think Labienus left Caesar because he felt mistreated. He left because he was a republican and Caesar vilate the law of the Republic ^^'
So not like Marc Anthony at all
Krankar Volund yeah I think it was as both. If Caesar had confided in him he would’ve agreed. But due to his treachery against the republic AND leaving him in the dust he turned on him.
@@TehMiner21 Yeah, maybe. Caesar was a master politician and tactician, but I think he was also an arrogant asshole ^^
@@krankarvolund7771 funny how often those coincide
I found this channel on Monday. I've watched almost every video and today is Friday. This is awesome
NEW VIDEO! literally love your channel, one of the best of all time imo
This video brought to you by Octavian and the enemies of Mark Antony.
I don't know why I love this channet so much.
Maybe my favorite.
The the mood is so perfect.
Thank you.
The music is so well matched to the storyline.
These 'behind the scenes'/'reasons for all the fighting' videos are excellent, it's great to have the perspective on why these things took place.
The planning and thought that goes behind these videos, is as clear as daylight when you judge the quality. I love you and your videos (but mainly your videos)
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I love the drunken Antony square puking in the Senate 😁
When I see a video from Historia Civilis, I just simply click!
Was having such a terrible day and i saw that you posted a video and immediately felt a bit better
Just wanna say I love these Rome videos. I put them on in my car all the time like audio books. Keep them up I’ll watch every one!
*"My allegiance is to the Republic, to democracy"!*
Frosty14748 Funnily enough, they were more like an oligarchy.
*From my point of view the Jedi are evil*
RIP Julius Caesar
Well, not it in this time frame
Yo!!! SPOILERS!
You know sometimes I forget I'm subbed to you because you post so infrequently, but that just makes it all the more fun when you do post.
How difficult was the waiting! Finally a new video from HC! I hope you realise that you are one of the best channels on youtube about history.
These videos just keep getting better every month.
Not gonna lie, this is the first time I've ever seen anyone say anything positive about Lepidus. I pretty much only know him as the junior member of the second triumvirate who was basically politically neutered by the end.
One of my absolute favorite channels! Great video as always!
I love your videos and appreciate the enthusiasm you bring to each one. Keep it up man!