Time to Let Panerai Out of the Dog House.
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- It's become fashionable to hate on Panerai, and they've definitely shot themselves in the foot on more than one occasion. But this italian watch house has so many great things going for it. Hasn't Panerai been in the dog house long enough?
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I thought the same, Panerai will always have a special place in my heart as it was my first Luxury watch Brand that I purchased back then when I first started working. I got the PAM 441 Ceramica in 2017. Enjoyed wearing it much till 2021 and I decided to sell it to fund another brand. Sold it online but then there's this emptiness that keeps on bugging me after that. This year I got myself another Panerai and its a PAM 292. Its bigger in size but wears smaller. Eventhough its an old model but the looks of it is just beautiful. I felt complete again. Exciting to own a Panerai is.
I couldn’t agree more with you.
That was all fault of the Panerai’s new CEO. Richemont is pretty satisfied because they are doing great in Asia. So they increased sales and lowered quality.
The former CEO, who was a Italian committed to Panerai’s tradition, wouldn’t allow such horrific decisions.
The Chinese always destroy everything
Panerai is trash but it's arguably my favorite brand. The style is just swaggy. It's Italian. It's Unique and Shore to get attention. Panerai is kind of like Maserati to me in that neither can really compare to the true top performers in their genre but you know the name alone engenders passion in those who love them and even passion and those who hate them and love to hate them. I'll take mine at 44 mm please. Cool video! Great job as usual.
You are generous to call what they did a mistake and forgive them. For me, it’s a blunt insult to their fans. It’s no mistake. And, they did not “listen” to their fans; they saw their revenue loss.
With Panerai less is better and your PAM is excelente, I had a PAM111 and 422… marvelous…
1:54 Gotta polish them bewels
You know the only reason Panerai has been, and is, in the dog house?
Panerai. Just Panerai. No one else.
Only they can let themselves out, By being a *lot* better.
Design looks great. Execution of the movement is questionable for years. Imagine how much force is in this 8 days powerreserve. They are the only one adding an extra gear in the train. I wonder why other brands don't don't do this...🤔
Enjoy🖖
It has two mainspring barrels, not one like most watches. That's the secret sauce.
Nice review but I will not take Panerai out of the dog house until they fix the rattling bezel on the Submersible-that is unacceptable for any watch costing USD $1000+ let alone $9K retail.
Ooo yeah that's another one 😬
Panerai is doing very well as a company and their sins have been long forgotten. They revamped their product line and offer sizes from 38 to 47mm, different dials options, nobles metals and virtually endless straps of various colors and materials. For my wife's birthday, I took her to the Rolex boutique, the Omega boutique and the Panerai boutique and told her to pick a watch that would make her happy. After trying on three different watches she said the choice was easy: she chose a Panerai 1248 Due, 38mm, sun-brushed sandwich dial with an Arancia Rossa alligator strap. When I asked why she selected a Panerai - she replied "it's a work of art".
I like Rolex. It’s actually the brand most of my watches are from. And while I think when I only could have one watch, I would probably choose a Rolex, like a black Submariner Date, I actually have a deep affection for Panerai and just bought another one yesterday.
WRONG! 😂
ok this is JUST egregious!!!...Normally most of the " watch reviewers" who do Panerai's stay away from anything actually factual about the brand and sing the standard corporate jingle. You Sir on the other hand actually used material from Perezscope and NOT even once talked about his REAL talking points about Panerai
- Fake History
- Fake Stallone story where he "accidently" discovered Panerai in a boutique in Italy while shooting for a movie!
- The apt ineptitude of the company that starts with the CEO liking fake Panerai photos on Instagram.
So the real reason that people HATE panerai ( especially people like me who got into watches because of Panerai ) , is even if we can forgive the lies about the fake heritage, its the shitty present corporate run shit show that is the Richemont owned Panerai.
In fact, pro-tip- Anyone wanting to buy a Panerai should always get pre-owned because what they uses to make in the 2000's and early 2010's was far superior in terms of quality, water resistance and the sheer brilliance and longevity of their lume.
YES! I've literally been thinking all of these exact things. And eight days is just respect. I mean come on, that's incredible. Happy birthday and looks spectacular on you; enjoy for many more!
Great video , I'm a long term PANERAI fan . (+/- 25 years .)
I don't seem to care what others think .
Panerai has always been cool and extremely unique .
Always a good conversation when you bump into a fellow paneristi .
Yes cool and unique .
Overpriced ?
I don't think that's cool ?
What you talking about.. like all lux watches are overpriced. @@julienfroidevaux1143
I just bought my first Panerai and I'm obsessed with it. Beautiful watches. 😍
I find it strange for watch enthusiasts to find heritage important but then complain about Panerai's size. The large size IS part of Panerai's heritage. They were meant to be visible under foggy water. This goes for all the tool watches that were made big for functional purposes. Saying a Panerai is too big is like saying a sledge hammer is too heavy.
Anyways, nice Pam you have there. Thanks for sharing..
Congratulations! I found out about this channel because of the role with the fake Panera, and I'm very happy for you that you bought this watch, they look very cool, and most importantly they are really unique and keep their identity. All in all this is my dream watch, congratulations again!
Haha thanks for coming on this emotional journey with me!
Bought my Luminor Quaranta (PAM01370) last year. 40mm case size suits me perfectly. Been my everyday watch since.
Great video, a few weeks ago I did the same thing, but with the 914. I liked Panerai years ago, fell out of love with them, and I'm so thrilled to have one in my collection again. The design is just so iconic, nobody mistakes and for anything else.
What a choice!🔥 I recently bought the 1085 Blu Mare and I’m obsessed now. It’s good to see Pam being shown some love again.
Max, another great video. Love this! Panerai was what got me into this crazy hobby. So, I was back and forth between 914 and 915. I also felt the same about the small seconds. However I really really wanted the 3,6,9,12. I chose the 914/15 series because of the design language and the fact that it was a true Luminor (in my opinion). Sandwich dial was a must, depth rating, and price was on point (I received a nice discount from the AD). So when this series was launched I bought into it immediately and it’s a keeper.
I love the designs of Panerai. They’re just too big. But I’m glad they produced some smaller ones….
I like their design language. And I love that they have their own look that is distinctly different from other brands. But really I'd like all their watches to be downscaled about 10% in size.
No you don’t like Panerai if you want it to be smaller. With cushion case it’s 44 or else for a true Panerai.
@@tuengsak Don't forget the mighty 30 metres of water resistance.
I couldn’t agree more. I own a Panerai blackseal. I love the design but it is way to big on my wrist.
But you can buy a 40mm. Or even a 38mm. Is that still too small for you?
They do seem to be making a comeback. Not sure if they’re fully out of the doghouse at this point, but for the first time in about a decade, I’d consider buying a Panerai. I wish they’d offer sandwich dials on all their Luminor models - many of us view that as a core element of that watch’s design.
Come back story of the decade!
The sausage dials are nice too - if they were all sandwich dials it would be harder to justify to the wife why you need a second Luminor.
@@saillaw2 haha good point.
yes, I agree.. sandwich dial with black hands and white color (green) superluminova, like in 112.
Love Panerai. Can't stand brand haters. I thought the point of Watchcrunch was to avoid the type of tribalism and brand hate discussed in this video?
WatchCrunch is for watch discussions... All of them. Did you watch the video? I bought the watch 😉
Each to their own, it's a unique design and I admire the styling. Well done on the selection.
Thanks Rob!
Panerai as a company just needs to it's JCB treatment
I had the same journey. Confuesed by all the numbers after diving in the world of Panerai. Which one to buy?
Luminor -> Sandwich dial -> handwinding -> small seconds…
So I bought the PAM915.
And no joke, because of your video with coffee table, I wanted a watch from the Panerai Boutique.
Rocking the PAM on the olive green rubber strap today…
Greetings from Munich, love your channel!
Very interesting and a good looking watch. Since you liked this model and its layout, I think you will also like the new Longines Majetek. I'm looking forward to see your feedback on that.
I’ve owned a couple Panerai but I always get bored and end up selling. Because there’s not much difference in their line and because the design is so minimalistic most owners end up getting tired of them and sell.
Congratulations!!!
I had the same feeling about Panerai at the beginning too big too this too that etc…
Bought the Pam914 love it and just bought the Pam1226 it’s a beautiful and a killer looking watch…
What I love about Panerai, is I don’t see many people wearing a Panerai, so my watch looks special and different from the general audience Rolex submariner/ black bezel.
Love Panerai regardless what people say and criticize this unique and special looking crown, case, lugs, you name it !!!
What jacket is that?
The Nickelback analogy was tremendous.
Congratulations! Been on a Pam/nickelback kick myself!
Haha, no shame
still too BIG!!!!!!
If this is wrong I don't want to be right. Classic!
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I bought my first panerai 20 years ago, and I still love this brand. Recent year I just purchase pam1088, pam1226, and pam1548. All these models can bring smile on my face 😊
Very timely video as I'm considering my first Panerai after loving the look for years. Iconic for sure and I love the fact they've never really changed. I too may go the AD route just because of the fake debacle. Enjoy and Happy Birthday!
I now own six, bought the 422 and my wife a luminor due in Florence this year will always love panerai .
Just bought the pam914 a couple weeks ago. Agree with the style but for me I think a two hander Panerai looks badass.
Couldn’t agree more with your sentiments. I started out the same way with Panerai but I think it’s become too common to write them off and almost become a meme. Buying Panerai is like rediscovering them, almost like counter culture in the watch community
Luminor forever... Solid and stylish. Who could ask for more?
Hell yes!
me
OMG, the Nickelback comparison. Soooo true!! Btw, I still love my old PAM237 and recently started dailying it again, regardless of the brand image of late.
Really like the brand...waiting for a 40mm
My fear is then it won't feel like a Panerai
@@WatchCrunchOfficial I guess that's the challenge for Panerai isn't it? If Panerai just continue to do the same thing, well, I think that's going to be unnecessarily limiting for the brand in so many ways. Rumour has it that there is a smaller Submersible in the works. If it's still a serious dive watch but smaller (around 40mm), then I'd be really interested in it. I don't think Panerai's DNA is solely reliant upon size, far from it in fact. There is so much more to the brand than "we just make big dive watches".
You need a PAM 00048 (or 01048).
@@WatchCrunchOfficial Didn't the fake 00048 you bought feel like a Panerai?
Well they're out of my dog house! I am currently looking to add a 12th PAM to my collection this week. There are a couple for sale right now, but I see the others sticking around. I've become quite adept at sourcing them from reputable sellers at extremely favorable prices, my average coming in at under $5K USD/piece (if we take the EoT out of the mix, otherwise a little over $5K). I feel the value proposition is there, though perhaps not at RRP. As similar as they all are, they are all so unique. I've tried to cover as much of the design variety as possible. 44mm-47mm, hand wind and auto, Radiomir and Luminor, wire lug and fixed lug, simple 2 hander and complications up to EoT, range of dial colors, OG to 2021 releases. I would never have thought a handful of years ago that I would own a literal watch box full of Panerai, but here we are!
And now for a Nickelback story... In my consulting days, I used to travel around all over the province of Alberta (Canada). One day I was out visiting some folks in a very rural area. Pleasant little house on a working farm. I was talking with the gentleman about this and that while we were sitting working at the kitchen table. He mentioned that he was off to the Grammy's the following week. I continued working for several more seconds while trying to work out just why it is that a real salt of the earth fellow working in agriculture would be heading to NYC for the biggest night in music. Turns out he was married to Chad & Mike Kroeger's mother. We went on to have a great chat about the band and the music industry. And yes, I've always liked their music. ;)
As someone with large wrists that loves dive watches, I’ve grown pretty fond of Panerai. It took a while to appreciate just how different they are from every other watch(aesthetically), but as I’ve grown in hobby I appreciate that more! I definitely need to own one in the future and I love the idea of a no-date, sandwich dial, small seconds, manual wind version.
I have the Panerai Radiomir PAM00572 and absolutely LOVE IT!! One of my most worn watches in my collection. Slim, automatic, 3 days power reserve, sandwich dial and case back. It’s perfect
Great vid. I share your feelings about Panerai. I love 'em but am so supremely disappointed in the company's flubs, current direction and its leadership (not to mention being over priced). And yet, despite all of that, I still want one! My fear is that they are resting on their laurels and are able to do so thanks to people like myself, all too willing to turn a blind eye to their complete disrespect for their heritage and their customers.
Let's keep giving them an earful while enjoying the good pieces 😁
Looks good on you, congrats. I’m toying with the idea of a 42mm Submersible - having made the mistake of putting it on my wrist once 🙂
Keep them in the doghouse, this helps me buy them with a discount / cheap on the 2nd hand market. Been on my wrist for 22 years. I don’t want a dinky, slimmed down watch. I like the brutalism and heft of Panerai. The 243 is peak Panerai in my book.
100%. Niche is how we like them so much better.
I really love the look and vintage aesthetic...I do wish it was 40mm x 12 thick though.... need to try on in person.
The movement looks amazing
They wear really well 👍
Love it and glad they are making their way back to the forefront. I have owned by PAM 111 for 20 years almost... still getting complements on it
Brooo...Nickelbag ?? ;)) Really..that's low. and Congrats on your choice
I’m sure many luxury watch companies have done the same or worse as Panerai just never got caught..
Off topic can I ask you your thoughts about the P.9010 movement?
Thank you
Nice Vid, thank you. And I love my PM00754 Black Seal. Also don't care what others think...
Congrats on the watch. I've been an on and off fan of panerai, and have owned the 111, 351 and 1033 across the years. For my next Pam purchase, I'm torn between the 915 and the 1312.
I think they have a far smaller audience than their competitors... Perhaps its that circle -on- square case shape which is a clash of forms.........To my eye anyway.........
I like the timeless shape of the Panerai watches. Still, I would buy anything new from them. I just bought a 231 to have a more formal watch from Panerai as well. If I compare it to the current offerings, I have to say the new offerings Tara inferior in design, artistically and quality wise and even value. Who offers a bronze watch for $18k? This is a joke! The watch has best case a material value of $100 more than the stainless steel version. And the water resistance of all these new watches is still too low. Panerai is traditionally a diving watch! Come on! Get a real Ontian industrial designer in place and a CEO with integrity who is allowed to make the right decisions and the brand will go up again. The current management should get fired. They don’t understand the basics of brand image, reputation, and marketing to the right audience. Again, I love the older Panerai watches. The new stuff with fake in-house movements, exorbitant pricing, wild material choices that nobody needs, and inferior moments and design, I don’t personally need it. I can do better things with my money than supporting the “new” Panerai organization.
Hey Max. Great video and WatchCrunch is one of my favorite UA-cam watch channels. Sorry, but not a fan of Panerai. Just too big, really. Even for my 7" wrist. Cheers!
I like them, but more so the discontinued models. I have a 24 & 111. Basic ETA movements. & not crazy expensive either.
I read in a Perezcope article some very negative things, but I find they disqualified themselves a bit when they said the pillar construction of the P.5000 was something cheap, found in “unrefined table clocks”. Come on now.
The high availability of replica models has reduced confidence in the brand, I think.
I still wear my PAM335 cos they’re discontinued and I am too fucking poor to buy a Rolex.
Why do you ruin your videos with voice over music? Your talking should be the only thing reacing the ears. My music background, check all the music in my playlists, the ears goes straight to music and your message is cluttered and miss what you are saying. It is compounded with this $50 K setup surround sound specifically designed for music. Everything music is amplified. This is an 'information' video. UA-camrs try to make it boith information with music, becomes annoying and distracting. 😐👎
From someone who collected Panerai way before it hit the high way back from 2002, I don’t understand people who “like Panerai but want it to be smaller”. Why? Panerai is big bold and unapologetic about being all that. That’s the only reason they were the most popular brand in early to late 2000’s. Not Rolex not AP it’s PANERAI back then. Their vintage Pre V models fetched astronomical price at auction. They were the OG of premium over retail watch brand back then when Rolex sport could be bought under retail straight from AD. They messed up their brand image because they tried, and failed, at trying to attract too many target groups with their “smaller case design”. Enough with that. Panerai’s charm is their masculine design language mainly for men who like things to be rough around the edge and women who want to be bold. That’s why Panerai were so successful. Yet, somehow, there’s still thinking Panerai should release more small cases? Luminor Due anyone? They’ve tried that and failed miserably. That differentiates their core followers such myself and dilutes their most unique character without gaining any ground. People who like small watches will never buy a Panerai, they just say they like it for the sake of being critic of the brand. Enough of the wussification of Panerai and bring the brand back to its root already.
I have a Pam 312. Had it a few years and I still love it. Panerai’s look so cool on wrist. Go anywhere, tough as shit.
still think their pieces are not my taste- to the EXTREME!!! But it is a bit weird to see one watch reviewer flipping his mind over Panerai, about a month ago- and like mushrooms after the rain- you guys falling like dominos…… not original. Quite disappointing.
Just my opinion, apologies to anyone offended.
I love it , the only thing left in this specific model is the 1950 case
You would have to pay me Stallone money to wear any Panerai, I'm a kid of the 90's (I was an adult but heck) and I always hated what "stars" liked, I mean I'll actively avoid Hollywood promoted brands and things.
I love Panerai, every time I see one in the wild it makes me smile. What a great looking watch
If you love the watch, ignore the noise. Panerai are a good purchase at these prices...and the Q models and older are of excellent quality.
If you wear a watch due to what others folks say and do, then a PAM is not for you.
If you're a real person that's strong and attracted to the brand, you'll love the feel and the gusto the piece brings on your wrist!
NOTHING looks like a Panerai...and the history speaks for itself.
love them … I have a PAM 1313 … I want to buy a Luminor Marina Titanium … 177 or 564(8 giorni)
I Still prefer the PAM 510 over the PAM 915 because it has a see through case back.
You think it's bad admitting you like Panerai well I'm a fan of Hublot just think of the blowback from that.
Nope. Come on Max, us$7k for THAT? For a Selita mvt? You're kidding mate. It's a rip-off!
No, no. Stay away! I recently dumped my Panerai collection after the service center damaged two of my watches. Once, okay. Twice? Poor quality control, even poorer customer service. Panerai lost a Panersiti in me, sold off 12 watches. Panerai can never recover my loyalty. Will never purchase another, not even used.
I bought a PAM00127. The only PAM I am willing to buy and own.
Yep that watch is miles to big bud. Nobody wants a trivially copied oversized 90s watch anymore. Dead brand. Really tasteless too. You had a bang on the head?
Love Panerai for the design. Did buy the 914 as I wanted 300m and Sandwich dial. But the faultina did not work for me. Sold it but will get one back. Maybe just the base logo. Well there comes the issue with pressed in caseback and just 100m. Might get it still as I sort of dig the look and a 111 is not to easy to get. Cheers
I love it.
I have a pam00086, 572 and 372 + a few Homages. 😊😊😊
Search for "The Stallone-Panerai Logo Story Debunked".
I loved them, I hated them and I miss them. I am not sure if I will ever buy them again as there is so many other choices out there and Pam is too big for me now. But I keep looking at them and the 911 is something stay at the back of my mind..may be one day.....just may be......
if the due came in a base model like the 44mm does i would consider saving for one. i also think that panerai might do well with some new color choices.
Panerai is a brand where people recently insist on focusing on what they don’t like, which is a bit odd.
Nickelback
Why are so many people worried about what other people are going to think or say in regards to their watch choices/preferences? Who the fuck cares what others think. If you like something, you like something.
It was never a watch, it was a tool, and now it's like wearing a hammer on your wrist, pretending it's fashionable because it's Italian. Sorry. it does not pass my test. Just my two cents.
really, you contribute to Panerai's failure by buying new? this is not okay, so many other brands actually makeing an effort to build nice watches, and you paid Panerai
Sorry to ask. Did they offer a discount?
Why the PRX didn’t do it for you? For me it looks and feels so much better than Vario and Brew.
I love them, but unfortunately I have a small wrist and can not pull off the look . Had many homages to try out and never bought one because of the size is just not for my skinny arms .
Had this exact watch twice and regret both times trading it in. Wears beautifully and the winding of the crown is superb! I have a 6.5” wrist and even though it looked too “big” it didn’t feel that way and wore very comfortably. Congrats and looks great on you!
How much did u get it?
@@ganbatte1260 Bought it new the first time for $6,900 through Panerai then sold it and bought it again later used for $4,850 from Chrono24
@@Appalachian-Toad now i saw it 10,500 new. I just got it 2016 R series very good like new for 5200$. Seems little bit too expensive.
@@ganbatte1260 So, I'm talking about the PAM00915 which retails for $7,100 on Panerai's website new now. I wonder if you have a different model maybe. Congrats on the purchase though very cool!
@@Appalachian-Toad ohhh sorry.. i bought the PAM 422 haha 😄.. my mistake..
love the samller models
Any love out there for Chronoswiss? Also unpopular yet quite unique . I own one and love it.
Comeback? I hope not, I buy these second hand. Leave my Panerai alone!
Paneri has a history of using outside movements and claimed (in-house). For this reason I don’t trust paneri.
Nice brown strap. Calf? Official from Panerai?
Max, very nice looking watch! Yes, the size is a tad large, but it does not look it. The cut out dial looks good. Box and papers!!!
Absolutely 💯
this watch looks like you're wearing you're dad's suit. one day you'll grow into it.
Way to much money for what you get. Love the look though. Wish they’d make a quartz.
I have luminor panerai automatic power reserve titanium build
The white dial version is my favorite; harder to find at a reasonable price.