One thing I've learned is just as there's buyer's remorse, there is also seller's remorse. Many decide to sell a watch only to kick themselves later down the road. And sometimes they even offer to buy the watch back. Or hunt for another one elsewhere. It is also true that the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence and your story about the rugged dude wearing the more rugged watch reminded me of that. If you didn't already own it, had he been wearing yours I bet you still would have lusted after it. Both are great watches from a brand loaded with history. Neither one could be classified as a "mistake" purchase. Not by any means. YMMV. Keep up the fun content. I liked the video even before you reminded me!
Well said. I regret all the watches I sold. I did sell them to buy other ones but looking back I know that I should have done the financial effort to buy the new ones without selling any of my watches.
Bought new Luminor Chronograph Pam01109 at an AD (Nov 2023)....my favorite daily now even over my sea-dweller anniversary. I want to say that I have wanted a Panerai for years, not necessarily this model, and finally pulled the trigger (also an impulse buy). I actually get a lot of compliments on it (especially from watch enthusiasts). The distinctive case you can see from across the room is really the key to these watches (sort of like the Rolex date bubble) but the overall look and feel is just lux/high quality.
Funny about what you said about grade 2 titanium. I had the original blue pelagos that uses grade 2. I remember telling someone that it honestly felt like plastic at times. Like, it was so light, but there was something about the metal that almost felt fake. I couldn't quite describe it. Then I later had a Grand Seiko snowflake, and that titanium was luxurious and soft... wild what a difference it makes.
I was a watch collector for years but the prices are so high now and all these watch channels in my feed encourage me to buy $7000+ watches on a regular basis. How many people can do this? Don’t you have other expenses like mortgage payments or your kid’s college tuition? Feels like a bubble and I’m out of the game. Such a shame because I still have my grails.
It can be done if you are focused on your life. No debt, not buying with cards rather ewry exe. 2 ares yust put aside 300€,$ and you hawe 7000+€ and you don't feal it yust not buy stupid things. . Ewry hobby is expensive MTB full susp. Cost 4,500€ whic is on the fence and in 1 are you put 2,3t€ in bike. That I don't understand . 2 kids 4grand for bikes .😅that is robery. I wish for Christmas's Panerai 44 :)) yust one .
Totally agree with you! Watch prices have increased over the moon. Glad that I purchased my SMP in 2020 during low price period and my Avenger Chrono 43 used for a very good price. But I wouldn't buy the SMP for that current price... seems I am out of this game as well before it even started. But I am more than happy with my two stunning pieces❤
agreed, prices are crazy and over 1 or 2k you get less and less improvements for your money. Plus, the way some UA-camrs talk about watches and how they make them feel...
I know the feeling of you being in love with a new watch and suddenly you see another amazing one.. the story keeps on and on and it will continue. we will never be happy with only one watch.
Lucky you .. keep the Pam 177, it is really nice .. I couldn't find it after all these years looking for a good one. In the end, I only managed to get a older second hand Pam 61. Wear it good.
177 all the way! You can have the Unitas 6497 movement serviced by any competent watchmaker. As we know, Panerai never made watches (except for the Egiziano) but only supplied the dials. Rolex made the case and movement for Panerai. Also used were Cortebert and Angelus movements so it certainly would have made sense for Giuseppe Panerai (pretending he was alive and still owned Panerai today) to equip the watches with a unitas 6497 movement. Let’s not forget that these were bare-bones military watches made for human torpedo frogmen!
I’ve had my PAM 422 since 2015 and it still never gets old which I think is down to the rose gold hands, the acutely domed sapphire and how it refracts light at different angles on the hands makes them glow and float above the dial in a way over yet to see with other watches. Funny thing is, I never noticed this until after I bought and I’m so happy I did.
Keep the 915! An in-house movement with eight days of power reserve is phenomenal! No doubt that it’ll cost a bit to service, but that’s high horology for you
It’s not a high horology piece. Power reserve isn’t a complication, it’s easily the most over rated spec on the market. A massive PR only matters if you never wear the watch. Many Panerai don’t even have a seconds hand let alone a date window- so how hard is it to set the time? Either way in order to get the full power reserve time, you’ve got a couple options- one is you need to wear the bell out of your watch for several days, for a full work day and then some, or you need to do a whole lot of time winding the watch. All that just so you can put it away for a week and still come back to it running? Way overrated. The time spent winding a watch with such a PR, you could have set the date in time and been on to other things faster. Don’t buy a watch based on specs alone.
@@albertopolini1970 If you’re wearing it actively for almost ten hours a day, sure it’s going to wind itself sufficiently to make it to the next day. That would be the case even if the power reserve was something more modest such as say 50-70 hours. No problem. You are wearing the watch daily and possibly relatively active. For someone who simply rotates through several watches a day or week (not my style) they would likely need to spend those three or four minutes winding the watch by hand. It’s a bit of a false economy if the watch is mostly sitting.
@@waterfordrs22you are absolutely f’ing. clueless. The 915 is a manual wind watch. It doesn’t have a rotor and it doesn’t wind itself when you wear it.
Hi Max, I've learned over the years : my buying decision is mostly derived from the specs (case weight, caliber, etc.). However, what I ware is ALWAYS motivated by feelings. 177 all the way baby 😉 On a side note, I love your strap pairing, you really have an eye for this.
I too get the buyers remorse. I recently returned a piece, a very expensive piece at that. I kept it in its case and I didn't remove any of the plastic protection coatings on the bracelet, case or back. Luckily for me I am a good client of the business so they gladly refunded me and happily took the watch back. 2 days later I went back in and purchased my first choice , so it's safe to say go with your gut and if you are doubtful at purchasing like I was don't do it just for the impulsive action.
Watching this video is exactly the same experience i had immediately my goal was set to have one and as years have gone by i still have it along with its other bros and brands. Love the panerais to this day and i can't help but smile watching this video because thats how i felt as well and it made me look back all those years where i was and doing at that time. Thanks for making this video and more power to ur channel.
I've been hunting a PAM177 for years, it's like the perfect Panerai to me. I've owned 7 Panerai's at this point. I love titanium! I had a 564 and loved it. But I bought a 915 over a year ago, and it has pretty much ended my hunt for the perfect PAM. Mine's the first series (V), with the display case back. The P.5000 is definitely not as nice to look at as the OP XI, but I still enjoy what I can see of it. Plus, sapphire display backs always make watches more comfortable to me, as the glass tends to stick to your skin and prevent the watch from flopping around (very important especially with a 44mm Bettarini steel case!). I bought a Zero (PAM000) a few months ago, thinking that might be "The One", but I still prefer the 915, so the Zero will be leaving soon. I also ABSOLUTELY LOVE the 8 day movements! You simply cannot beat a mechanical watch that runs for over a week whether you wear it or not (like in rotation), and it is an absolute joy winding her up every Sunday morning, which has become my ritual. Probably the only PAM that could replace my 915 would be a first series 510, P.5000 sandwich dial (P series I think it was), but I doubt I'll ever find one of those.
@@WatchCrunchOfficial It wasn't until recently that Panerai closed the back on the 915. When it first came out it was an open case back. I know because I have one.
@@joakimdrake1677 Far out man, thank you for that!! I'm hunting my perfect PAM and a 915 just came up (V serial). It has exhibition case back, but online I see the 915 has a closed case back. That explains it!
Thanks for making this video. I’m a small time collector with some pretty nice pieces. I bought my personal “holy grail” a year ago with the Rolex GMT Batgirl (terrible nickname). Sadly, people like us never stop looking to the next watch so here I am. Years ago, my wife bought me a leather strapped Sinn aviator watch. Black strap, case and face. I love it but I’ve also been wanting a Panerai but something different. Maybe the new Radiomir Quaranta with the white face. I’m not sure about the overlay face. Maybe a stainless case gray face Luminor. I JUST DONT KNOW. Sometimes I’ll buy an homage watch just to get the feel before dropping a ton on a watch. Ok, I’ll stop rambling. I really appreciate your take on watches. To be as knowledgeable about them without the pomposity is a gift! Please keep it up!
That's a really tough choice. I'm leaning towards the titanium case one as I have a titanium watch and I love the weight and how it's darker than the usual 316L steel.
I don't see it as a buyer's remorse. I see the discovery of the 177 as a different experience altogether and should be separate from your ownership of the 915. The range of Panerai watches is so vast that you'd get a different kind of feel with different ones, even with the same case designs but with different materials or even finishes. (You should try one of those PAMs with brushed Brunito steel. Still steel but feels and wears very differently). I suggest keeping and enjoying both for a while.
I bought my luminor GMT on a steel bracelet and it matches to Panerai database but I never opened it or looked inside it. It’s on the steel bracelet. I personally love it because it has a big and boisterous Italian personality just like me. Over time the polish on the face has maintained its glimmer and shine while the casing gets scuffed from use over the years and dulls. I haven’t tried any other straps because the steel bracelet is rare and lovely.
I absolutely get this. To the point that the polished case is a deal breaker for me. Even with sand which lume and a better movement Matt finish, titanium are my prerequisites, no bigger than 44. Within those parameters I would consider the models they have. Some like how a polished case gets scratched up but I don’t
Hi Max! I seem to recall your wrist size as being about the same as mine (6.5"). Do you feel either/both of these can wear well on a wrist that size? IF I hadn't just dropped big $$ on the new model, I think I'd definitely pick the titanium old dog. I just love the flat, tool-ish look of it. But on the flip side, that new 8-day movement... Oh my, it IS a dilemma!! Let us know what you decide. Either way, both of those straps are 🔥🔥🔥!!
Thank you for sharing, I also have a PAM177 purchase in the early 2000s in Florence Italy. I love the titanium finish because its not too blingy like the stainless steel and its a strap monster.
After significant research a pre-owned 177 was my first Panerai. Love it. And will keep it forever as it was my first entry. I think you can justify keeping both. At some point you may want to introduce other panerai cases. I have my eye on a pure no-seconds radiomir 45, model number TBD.
I have the Navy Seal version (don’t know the number designated) but when I was trying on models it jumped out at me. It looked rugged. It’s my favorite everyday watch hands down.
I bought a PAM177 when it first came out as my first Panerai. Loved it and always regretted selling it. I was never 100 percent sure I could pull off the 44mm case on a 6.75 inch wrist. That was the only issue. It’s such a cool watch though. Very old-school Panerai.
I think they are different enough to justify keeping both until you're ready to move on/up. So for now, enjoy both. I had a 310 and 244 at one point. I sold the 310 5 years later to fund an upgrade.
Keep the 177 for sure, i would sell the 915 for a 2 hander base model like a 112 or if you like the newer stuff then a 914... better yet a 372 if your wrist can handle it..
Last year I was buying my first Panerai. And I would say i pick up the right one. Pam560 with painted dial, 8 days of power reserve and 300 hundred meters water resistance. I don’t get why panerai is changing in this case
I am picking up my 915 later today, I like the 177 but I don’t trust buying a used panerai, the AD gave me 12% off the retail price and 12 months finance with no interest, that’s pretty good if you ask me
I would probably stick to Pam 915. Ease of use, 8 days power reserve! Vs a hand wind….. hassle of needing to wind it once a while and possibility of losing time due to forgetting to wind it ….. it’s mind boggling that it doesn’t comes with a power reserve meter. (Not sure if it has one) ……
Get both if budget permits. They're different enough to warrant purchase. If not the one you own is a classic / timeless piece with better horo tech. Incidentally i'm considering the 2022 submersible luna rossa (blue dial). Have you seen? Do you have any thoughts?
Hi Max. I personally prefer your first buy since I never liked titanium cases. It gives a “dirty aspect” to the watch in my opinion. I owned a Luminor Marina since about 17 years now and I still love it. My only regret is that I owned a manual winding one that I don’t wear often enough just because the hand winding drives me crazy, but otherwise the watch looks great 😊. Actually I’m going right now to my safe to get it. I’m going to wear it for awhile ☝️
I totally understand how you are feeling and it's a difficult choice to make. I am currently shopping for a Panerai and after trying on a few, its the brushed metal to does it for me. I like the rugged feel it gives and the feeling I get when wearing this. I would go for the 177 for the looks and the feeling it gives you.
I loved that video so much, it was like watching a master chef at work. The way they handled every element was so effortless and perfect, it was like they were dancing with the ingredients. And the final product was an absolute masterpiece, a symphony of flavors that left my taste buds singing. I'm so glad I watched that video, it was an experience I won't soon forget.
I made this mistake with the Marathon Steel Navigator. Loved the watch but was always a little chagrined that it was quartz. 6 months after owning it, Marathon launches the Automatic Steel Navigator.
The 177 is iconic imo. It was one of the first watches I chased and never was able to find one. Then I began to think about the balance between dressier and playful or tool looks. That’s why I wound up getting the 1351 which is a titanium watch
This might sound goofy… I modded an SKX a couple years ago. I’d fallen out of love with it until… Uncle Seiko arrived at my door with a custom curved waffle rubber strap. As for the Panerai, I agree that the Ti is maybe more “tooly”… maybe you have an office Panerai and a beach/ hiking/ weekend Panerai. Totally get that “office Panerai” probably ranks it lower on the office watch list, but there might be a day that you’ve got something going on that requires that feel…
I daily wear a 176 G series. Call me biased but I 100% prefer the matte toned down full titanium over the polished SS. The titanium patinas very well. I use a white ink eraser or super fine steel wool on small scratches that bother me.
I have a 176. It has quickly risen to one of my favorite daily/vacation watches. It’s lightweight, you don’t have to worry about it when going to the ocean, SUPER comfy to wear esp on the OEM rubber, under the radar (let’s face it not everyone knows panerai). Keep the 177. Word of advice - get the army green panerai rubber strap - thank me later. Hit me up with any questions!
Keep the 177 because of the way it makes you feel! It's unadulterated TOOL watch and you have other watches to fill that more dressy avocado-toast type of days. :) There are SO many great Pam watches out there so you can always pick up another one down the road if needed/wanted.
Had a 176 for years (similar watch, without second hand of the 177). Issue I had was it's a one-trick pony. Polished/brushed watches have more variety in appearance when swapping straps. And on the strap point, finding Ti buckles isn't the easiest, and they never come on or with a strap, even from the vast majority of the best makers. That said, a simple fiberglass brushing makes it look new again, and the patina is killer as it develops. So, I'd have one again today without hesitation; just not as my primary. Daily now is the Palm Beach 466, which ticks most boxes for me other than the painted dial.
Nice video and congrats! I continue to both love and hate Panerai. Love the watches but really dislike the corporate leaders mismanagement of the brand. But, all that said, I get why you’d want one (me too!). I honestly think I prefer the 915, but I understand your choice!
The luminor case design is by far my favorite of all time. I used to own one. However their new “in house” movements are pretty much still 3rd party. They are way overpriced at retail. Getting a preowned at a discount is the way to go. Glad you found one you love.
When I bought my Omega Seamaster Professional 300M in the Chrome dial color way, I had a lot of mixed feelings. It was my first true luxury watch, it was the watch I wanted, and it marked a significant moment in my life. But the honeymoon was rocky: I spent a substantial amount of money on a watch, I bought an unpopular color way, it felt as if it was as EDC as I first believed it to be. 4 years later, I'm wearing it almost everyday, swapping between rubber and bracelet. I've grown to love it and even enjoy the dings and scratches it has accumulated, giving it a unique patina to me.
Agreed that you have to experience many different watches to learn what your tastes really are. You discover your tastes and then sometimes they change and you have to discover that too. Both watches are great. Slight nod to the 177 because of the decreased weight.
Looks great, both watches. I assembled a look alike myself with a Unitas 6497 movement clone. Saves me a lot of money and I don't have to think about selling the watch or not :)
i'll keep that PAM917 and sell the PAM 915 . titanium is just sweet on panerai as what you mentioned , its size . it gives that low key yet amazing watch . you jump to the ocean with that PAM 917 man , shows your passionate for that model :)
Dude, why you go and cheat on your first love? Just keep both. They are both amazing pieces… you’re so detail oriented you’ll always be able to discern /appreciate the subtle differences .
I've been looking at the Panerai Submersible Blu Notte with metal band for $11K-ish. I think it is a 42mm. I have a 6" wrist and it looked fine. But I'm older and already own a white gold Rolex sub (Smurf) and Patek Aquanaut and Cartier Pasha. Not counting my wife's Reverso, Rolex, etc. So far I'm fighting the urge.
I can relate to your progression into PAMs. I too love the 44mm luminor in Ti. It just makes it more wearable. I have the PAM116 base dial in tobacco. Relatively produced in much smaller numbers and the only Panerai that has remained through the years in my collection. Congrats on the 177!
Get the PAM177 - hard to beat titanium (pun intended). BTW - the grass will always seem greener on the other side. I've learned how to admire from afar and not necessarily need to buy a watch that I fancy.
I'm now in the process of letting go of my Luminor Due 42mm, a true jewel and a piece of art, but I want something more rugged - I don't want my PAM to be limited just as a dress watch. After a deep dive into PAMs, I've found a 111 that could be mine for a nice price. Note, I plan to wear this mainly on summer season, meaning I can wear t-shirts and other light clothing so that the bulkiness will not interfere with the winter jacket's sleeve or anything, and the shiny steel case will have it's opportunity to glimmer in the sun. For winter I have thin Panerai inspired microbrand watch - a titanium Andersmann Classic, darker tone and warmer to the skin. Having a 177 as a winter watch could be an (expensive) option as well, maybe in the future? :D
"that's 196 hours for those of you gifted in multiplication" which I guess you're not 😜 8 days is 192 hours. But whatever your video is great and I love your channel!
I have a PAM 88 and an 1104…..I was ready to sell the 1104 after buying an IWC Big Pilot transitional piece (new dual Peleton spring with the old 5002 face) only 115 in the world. Then an IWC miramar top gun ceramic triple date and to round it off a Rolex Sub. However I put a thin dark brown alligator strap which feels really light and a great look. I always get compliments on my Panerai.
Hey can I ask what is the exact model of the Ostrich strap and the canvas strap did you order from Bosphorus strap please? I’ve 914 which I’m hoping to dress up.
Thank you! Can I trouble you about the canvas one? Both of them look beautiful!. Btw I’m a huge fan of Pam 176/177 too. And that I decided to reacquaint myself with Panerai and got ten 914 because of your video on your 915.
As a 177 owner, I sold my original 105 Base model because I also fell in love with the titanium case and the ability to brush out blemishes. I am now 15 years into the 177 and I will never ever let go of this watch. I am sure I would feel the same way about the 176 (same watch, without the second hand).
Two excellent videos (915 and 177). I don’t think you have buyers remorse. I think you’re becoming Paneristi. You like the 915 so much, you immediately start looking for your next Panerai. I found this really useful. I was thinking a lot about getting a 915 and tried one on (loved it) but there was also a 564 Titanium 8 Days for sale which I was watching too. The sellers discounted that this week and it was too good to resist any longer and it’s now on my wrist. Love it! Can’t now justify a 915… yet…
Both watches look awesome for different reasons the first has the shiny new look and will great as long a you keep it looking shiny and new ,but when it gets dinged and scratched it will look it’s appeal , but eventually it will develop what my South African fiancé refers to as ( hoeding) I’ve surely spelled it wrong) patina ,mileage, attitude . The titanium one already has it , its the truck that you got for 500 bucks and has 500,000 miles on it and still goin strong !!!
I'm currently deep into Panerai research, and it's actually beyond confusing with all the references, so it's understandable that the PAM177 slipped past you. I always thought a 44mm Pam on my barely 7-inch wrist would be too big, but having recently tried on a 45mm Rad I realised I was worrying about nothing! Ideally I'd prefer a 42mm Luminor but I don't care for the 1950 case shape, so I've narrowed my options down to a PAM111 or PAM183, both sandwich dial, exhibition case back, same movement, effectively the same watch just Luminor vs Radiomir, but the Titanium PAM177 is also a contender. The hunt continues... My view - Keep the PAM177... because it's a better looking / feeling watch 🙂
I really want a 1226 or 2223 - but just think Panerai is living in the past - at $6500-7000 my order would be in - just don’t have the value of Rolexes (yeah, I know I can’t get one at MSRP) in the $9000-11000 range.
I do own a PAM177. The PAM1122 is the only other Panerai, which I did consider. But it was impossible to get. I would love to see a new titanium 44mm, 300m water resistant ,Luminor with sandwich dial and normal white lumen.
I definitely understand what you are saying about trying a new watch strap. I have a favorite watch bracelet with straight end links. And whatever watch I put it on, in my collection, suddenly becomes my favorite watch. I think I like the bracelet almost more than the watches.
This is where getting too much into the weeds of watch collecting can be counterproductive as it takes away from the enjoyment of a piece. The new watch (the one you have) is epic. Sure, there might be a couple pieces out there that suit your taste a tiny bit better, but so be it. Buy a few more straps and enjoy the one you have, and admire the others from afar. They’re all very good watches. Personally, I prefer the polished stainless steel but wouldn’t bork at a titanium one either. 6 to one, half a dozen the other.
They both look nearly the same! However, my personal taste will definitely take me to the shinier watch, no doubt. Although I would personally prefer a thinner case for sure.
I wanted 915 exactly because of movement and fact that is polished. But I was puzzled cause in some cases I saw 915 with open case back. Until i catch the 915 with open case back in official Panerai boutique. So I needed to buy it and do not regret it! Love the watch it seems they made only 2000 pcs of 915 with open case back do not sell it. just buy another 177 if u love it so much ;)
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One thing I've learned is just as there's buyer's remorse, there is also seller's remorse. Many decide to sell a watch only to kick themselves later down the road. And sometimes they even offer to buy the watch back. Or hunt for another one elsewhere. It is also true that the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence and your story about the rugged dude wearing the more rugged watch reminded me of that. If you didn't already own it, had he been wearing yours I bet you still would have lusted after it. Both are great watches from a brand loaded with history. Neither one could be classified as a "mistake" purchase. Not by any means. YMMV. Keep up the fun content. I liked the video even before you reminded me!
Well said. I regret all the watches I sold. I did sell them to buy other ones but looking back I know that I should have done the financial effort to buy the new ones without selling any of my watches.
true, I bought back a couple of watches (that is, the same model)
I recently bought a Panerai pam510 the 8 day and it’s amazing. It’s quickly become my favorite watch I own.
Do the right thing...bring the PAM 177 to our next watch meet and let me take a closer look at it...and then give it a nice home 😃🙌
Bought new Luminor Chronograph Pam01109 at an AD (Nov 2023)....my favorite daily now even over my sea-dweller anniversary. I want to say that I have wanted a Panerai for years, not necessarily this model, and finally pulled the trigger (also an impulse buy). I actually get a lot of compliments on it (especially from watch enthusiasts). The distinctive case you can see from across the room is really the key to these watches (sort of like the Rolex date bubble) but the overall look and feel is just lux/high quality.
Funny about what you said about grade 2 titanium. I had the original blue pelagos that uses grade 2. I remember telling someone that it honestly felt like plastic at times. Like, it was so light, but there was something about the metal that almost felt fake. I couldn't quite describe it. Then I later had a Grand Seiko snowflake, and that titanium was luxurious and soft... wild what a difference it makes.
I was a watch collector for years but the prices are so high now and all these watch channels in my feed encourage me to buy $7000+ watches on a regular basis. How many people can do this? Don’t you have other expenses like mortgage payments or your kid’s college tuition? Feels like a bubble and I’m out of the game. Such a shame because I still have my grails.
It’s definitely not a hobby for anyone who doesn’t have a considerable amount of disposable income.
It can be done if you are focused on your life. No debt, not buying with cards rather ewry exe. 2 ares yust put aside 300€,$ and you hawe 7000+€ and you don't feal it yust not buy stupid things. . Ewry hobby is expensive MTB full susp. Cost 4,500€ whic is on the fence and in 1 are you put 2,3t€ in bike. That I don't understand . 2 kids 4grand for bikes .😅that is robery. I wish for Christmas's Panerai 44 :)) yust one .
Totally agree with you!
Watch prices have increased over the moon. Glad that I purchased my SMP in 2020 during low price period and my Avenger Chrono 43 used for a very good price.
But I wouldn't buy the SMP for that current price... seems I am out of this game as well before it even started. But I am more than happy with my two stunning pieces❤
agreed, prices are crazy and over 1 or 2k you get less and less improvements for your money. Plus, the way some UA-camrs talk about watches and how they make them feel...
The solution is to unsubscribe from these watch channels.
I know the feeling of you being in love with a new watch and suddenly you see another amazing one.. the story keeps on and on and it will continue. we will never be happy with only one watch.
Lucky you .. keep the Pam 177, it is really nice .. I couldn't find it after all these years looking for a good one. In the end, I only managed to get a older second hand Pam 61. Wear it good.
177 all the way! You can have the Unitas 6497 movement serviced by any competent watchmaker. As we know, Panerai never made watches (except for the Egiziano) but only supplied the dials. Rolex made the case and movement for Panerai. Also used were Cortebert and Angelus movements so it certainly would have made sense for Giuseppe Panerai (pretending he was alive and still owned Panerai today) to equip the watches with a unitas 6497 movement. Let’s not forget that these were bare-bones military watches made for human torpedo frogmen!
Thank you for making high quality videos!Love MAMACOO ’s watches
I’ve had my PAM 422 since 2015 and it still never gets old which I think is down to the rose gold hands, the acutely domed sapphire and how it refracts light at different angles on the hands makes them glow and float above the dial in a way over yet to see with other watches. Funny thing is, I never noticed this until after I bought and I’m so happy I did.
Keep the 915! An in-house movement with eight days of power reserve is phenomenal! No doubt that it’ll cost a bit to service, but that’s high horology for you
I own the 915. Great watch!!!
It’s not a high horology piece. Power reserve isn’t a complication, it’s easily the most over rated spec on the market. A massive PR only matters if you never wear the watch. Many Panerai don’t even have a seconds hand let alone a date window- so how hard is it to set the time? Either way in order to get the full power reserve time, you’ve got a couple options- one is you need to wear the bell out of your watch for several days, for a full work day and then some, or you need to do a whole lot of time winding the watch. All that just so you can put it away for a week and still come back to it running? Way overrated. The time spent winding a watch with such a PR, you could have set the date in time and been on to other things faster.
Don’t buy a watch based on specs alone.
@@waterfordrs22io la riserva di carica del mio 915 la trovo COMODISSIMA. E pazienza se ogni 9,5 giorni devo perdere 3-4 minuti x caricarlo !
@@albertopolini1970 If you’re wearing it actively for almost ten hours a day, sure it’s going to wind itself sufficiently to make it to the next day. That would be the case even if the power reserve was something more modest such as say 50-70 hours. No problem. You are wearing the watch daily and possibly relatively active. For someone who simply rotates through several watches a day or week (not my style) they would likely need to spend those three or four minutes winding the watch by hand. It’s a bit of a false economy if the watch is mostly sitting.
@@waterfordrs22you are absolutely f’ing. clueless. The 915 is a manual wind watch. It doesn’t have a rotor and it doesn’t wind itself when you wear it.
Hi Max,
I've learned over the years : my buying decision is mostly derived from the specs (case weight, caliber, etc.). However, what I ware is ALWAYS motivated by feelings. 177 all the way baby 😉
On a side note, I love your strap pairing, you really have an eye for this.
I too get the buyers remorse. I recently returned a piece, a very expensive piece at that. I kept it in its case and I didn't remove any of the plastic protection coatings on the bracelet, case or back. Luckily for me I am a good client of the business so they gladly refunded me and happily took the watch back. 2 days later I went back in and purchased my first choice , so it's safe to say go with your gut and if you are doubtful at purchasing like I was don't do it just for the impulsive action.
Watching this video is exactly the same experience i had immediately my goal was set to have one and as years have gone by i still have it along with its other bros and brands. Love the panerais to this day and i can't help but smile watching this video because thats how i felt as well and it made me look back all those years where i was and doing at that time. Thanks for making this video and more power to ur channel.
I've been hunting a PAM177 for years, it's like the perfect Panerai to me. I've owned 7 Panerai's at this point. I love titanium! I had a 564 and loved it. But I bought a 915 over a year ago, and it has pretty much ended my hunt for the perfect PAM. Mine's the first series (V), with the display case back. The P.5000 is definitely not as nice to look at as the OP XI, but I still enjoy what I can see of it. Plus, sapphire display backs always make watches more comfortable to me, as the glass tends to stick to your skin and prevent the watch from flopping around (very important especially with a 44mm Bettarini steel case!). I bought a Zero (PAM000) a few months ago, thinking that might be "The One", but I still prefer the 915, so the Zero will be leaving soon. I also ABSOLUTELY LOVE the 8 day movements! You simply cannot beat a mechanical watch that runs for over a week whether you wear it or not (like in rotation), and it is an absolute joy winding her up every Sunday morning, which has become my ritual. Probably the only PAM that could replace my 915 would be a first series 510, P.5000 sandwich dial (P series I think it was), but I doubt I'll ever find one of those.
For me, the 915 all day long. The thinness factor makes a huge difference. I also love it on that ostrich strap.
Yeah it's a beauty
@@WatchCrunchOfficial It wasn't until recently that Panerai closed the back on the 915. When it first came out it was an open case back. I know because I have one.
@@joakimdrake1677 Far out man, thank you for that!! I'm hunting my perfect PAM and a 915 just came up (V serial). It has exhibition case back, but online I see the 915 has a closed case back. That explains it!
Thanks for making this video. I’m a small time collector with some pretty nice pieces. I bought my personal “holy grail” a year ago with the Rolex GMT Batgirl (terrible nickname). Sadly, people like us never stop looking to the next watch so here I am. Years ago, my wife bought me a leather strapped Sinn aviator watch. Black strap, case and face. I love it but I’ve also been wanting a Panerai but something different. Maybe the new Radiomir Quaranta with the white face. I’m not sure about the overlay face. Maybe a stainless case gray face Luminor. I JUST DONT KNOW. Sometimes I’ll buy an homage watch just to get the feel before dropping a ton on a watch.
Ok, I’ll stop rambling. I really appreciate your take on watches. To be as knowledgeable about them without the pomposity is a gift! Please keep it up!
That 177 is legendary... just had to snag one as my first panerai but it seems like the ultimate version of what the brand should be in my mind
That's a really tough choice. I'm leaning towards the titanium case one as I have a titanium watch and I love the weight and how it's darker than the usual 316L steel.
I don't see it as a buyer's remorse. I see the discovery of the 177 as a different experience altogether and should be separate from your ownership of the 915. The range of Panerai watches is so vast that you'd get a different kind of feel with different ones, even with the same case designs but with different materials or even finishes. (You should try one of those PAMs with brushed Brunito steel. Still steel but feels and wears very differently). I suggest keeping and enjoying both for a while.
Old Panerais are the best!
I bought my luminor GMT on a steel bracelet and it matches to Panerai database but I never opened it or looked inside it. It’s on the steel bracelet. I personally love it because it has a big and boisterous Italian personality just like me. Over time the polish on the face has maintained its glimmer and shine while the casing gets scuffed from use over the years and dulls. I haven’t tried any other straps because the steel bracelet is rare and lovely.
Just discovered this channel and is right away my preferred watch channel.
I absolutely get this.
To the point that the polished case is a deal breaker for me.
Even with sand which lume and a better movement
Matt finish, titanium are my prerequisites, no bigger than 44. Within those parameters I would consider the models they have.
Some like how a polished case gets scratched up but I don’t
Brushed looks the business 😎
👍 Esp for a sports watch. Polished for dress…
Hi Max! I seem to recall your wrist size as being about the same as mine (6.5"). Do you feel either/both of these can wear well on a wrist that size? IF I hadn't just dropped big $$ on the new model, I think I'd definitely pick the titanium old dog. I just love the flat, tool-ish look of it. But on the flip side, that new 8-day movement... Oh my, it IS a dilemma!! Let us know what you decide. Either way, both of those straps are 🔥🔥🔥!!
I’m trying to find this watch now to see it in person to see how it fits my wrist. So far no luck
“A new band come sometimes trigger a new perspective” right on! Subbed as well👍
I’ve got the titanium base model 176. Love it. Titanium all the way. The older case is more brutish, the newer models are too refined.
Thank you for sharing, I also have a PAM177 purchase in the early 2000s in Florence Italy. I love the titanium finish because its not too blingy like the stainless steel and its a strap monster.
After significant research a pre-owned 177 was my first Panerai. Love it. And will keep it forever as it was my first entry. I think you can justify keeping both. At some point you may want to introduce other panerai cases. I have my eye on a pure no-seconds radiomir 45, model number TBD.
Personally, on a smaller wrist, the thinner case of the 915 is going to be a better wear despite the heavier weight.
I have the Navy Seal version (don’t know the number designated) but when I was trying on models it jumped out at me. It looked rugged. It’s my favorite everyday watch hands down.
I bought a PAM177 when it first came out as my first Panerai. Loved it and always regretted selling it. I was never 100 percent sure I could pull off the 44mm case on a 6.75 inch wrist. That was the only issue. It’s such a cool watch though. Very old-school Panerai.
What's the strap on the 177 ? Looks really cool !
I think they are different enough to justify keeping both until you're ready to move on/up. So for now, enjoy both. I had a 310 and 244 at one point. I sold the 310 5 years later to fund an upgrade.
Keep the 177 for sure, i would sell the 915 for a 2 hander base model like a 112 or if you like the newer stuff then a 914... better yet a 372 if your wrist can handle it..
Last year I was buying my first Panerai. And I would say i pick up the right one. Pam560 with painted dial, 8 days of power reserve and 300 hundred meters water resistance. I don’t get why panerai is changing in this case
Haha - Bought my 177 a dozen years ago and still love it! Great seeing you speak of it 👍
I am picking up my 915 later today, I like the 177 but I don’t trust buying a used panerai, the AD gave me 12% off the retail price and 12 months finance with no interest, that’s pretty good if you ask me
I would probably stick to Pam 915. Ease of use, 8 days power reserve! Vs a hand wind….. hassle of needing to wind it once a while and possibility of losing time due to forgetting to wind it ….. it’s mind boggling that it doesn’t comes with a power reserve meter. (Not sure if it has one) ……
I need to know more about the strap on that 177. A perfect rugged strap for a perfect rugged watch.
Which bosphorus strap is that on 177? Patina canvas grey? Thanks.
great video and I love the subtle emotion you exhibit while talking about these watches. We can tell you love them both.
where to buy that canvas strap?
Get both if budget permits. They're different enough to warrant purchase. If not the one you own is a classic / timeless piece with better horo tech. Incidentally i'm considering the 2022 submersible luna rossa (blue dial). Have you seen? Do you have any thoughts?
Hi Max. I personally prefer your first buy since I never liked titanium cases. It gives a “dirty aspect” to the watch in my opinion. I owned a Luminor Marina since about 17 years now and I still love it. My only regret is that I owned a manual winding one that I don’t wear often enough just because the hand winding drives me crazy, but otherwise the watch looks great 😊. Actually I’m going right now to my safe to get it. I’m going to wear it for awhile ☝️
Completely agree about Titanium. It feels too light and cheap on the wrist ... like a plastic Swatch. You need some heft in an expensive time piece.
I totally understand how you are feeling and it's a difficult choice to make. I am currently shopping for a Panerai and after trying on a few, its the brushed metal to does it for me. I like the rugged feel it gives and the feeling I get when wearing this. I would go for the 177 for the looks and the feeling it gives you.
Brushed is the way to go!
Views on the 1226 white dial sub?
I loved that video so much, it was like watching a master chef at work. The way they handled every element was so effortless and perfect, it was like they were dancing with the ingredients. And the final product was an absolute masterpiece, a symphony of flavors that left my taste buds singing. I'm so glad I watched that video, it was an experience I won't soon forget.
For versatility I bought the Quaranta, 40mm Luminor, it has now become glued to my wrist.
I made this mistake with the Marathon Steel Navigator. Loved the watch but was always a little chagrined that it was quartz. 6 months after owning it, Marathon launches the Automatic Steel Navigator.
titanium is also extremely hard to refinish, just FYI. My buddy owns a watch store with in-house service. Just something to consider.
The 177 is iconic imo. It was one of the first watches I chased and never was able to find one. Then I began to think about the balance between dressier and playful or tool looks. That’s why I wound up getting the 1351 which is a titanium watch
This might sound goofy… I modded an SKX a couple years ago. I’d fallen out of love with it until… Uncle Seiko arrived at my door with a custom curved waffle rubber strap.
As for the Panerai, I agree that the Ti is maybe more “tooly”… maybe you have an office Panerai and a beach/ hiking/ weekend Panerai. Totally get that “office Panerai” probably ranks it lower on the office watch list, but there might be a day that you’ve got something going on that requires that feel…
I daily wear a 176 G series. Call me biased but I 100% prefer the matte toned down full titanium over the polished SS. The titanium patinas very well. I use a white ink eraser or super fine steel wool on small scratches that bother me.
I have a 176. It has quickly risen to one of my favorite daily/vacation watches. It’s lightweight, you don’t have to worry about it when going to the ocean, SUPER comfy to wear esp on the OEM rubber, under the radar (let’s face it not everyone knows panerai). Keep the 177. Word of advice - get the army green panerai rubber strap - thank me later. Hit me up with any questions!
Keep the 177 because of the way it makes you feel! It's unadulterated TOOL watch and you have other watches to fill that more dressy avocado-toast type of days. :) There are SO many great Pam watches out there so you can always pick up another one down the road if needed/wanted.
Yep, that's where I'll leaning
Had a 176 for years (similar watch, without second hand of the 177). Issue I had was it's a one-trick pony. Polished/brushed watches have more variety in appearance when swapping straps. And on the strap point, finding Ti buckles isn't the easiest, and they never come on or with a strap, even from the vast majority of the best makers. That said, a simple fiberglass brushing makes it look new again, and the patina is killer as it develops. So, I'd have one again today without hesitation; just not as my primary. Daily now is the Palm Beach 466, which ticks most boxes for me other than the painted dial.
Nice video and congrats! I continue to both love and hate Panerai. Love the watches but really dislike the corporate leaders mismanagement of the brand. But, all that said, I get why you’d want one (me too!). I honestly think I prefer the 915, but I understand your choice!
I own a PAM00172 and have my eyes on another. Great/fun watches.
I have a 915 that I just got in April. I'm trilled with it. The 8 days of power reserve is hard to beat.
I know right?!
The luminor case design is by far my favorite of all time. I used to own one. However their new “in house” movements are pretty much still 3rd party. They are way overpriced at retail. Getting a preowned at a discount is the way to go. Glad you found one you love.
When I bought my Omega Seamaster Professional 300M in the Chrome dial color way, I had a lot of mixed feelings. It was my first true luxury watch, it was the watch I wanted, and it marked a significant moment in my life. But the honeymoon was rocky: I spent a substantial amount of money on a watch, I bought an unpopular color way, it felt as if it was as EDC as I first believed it to be. 4 years later, I'm wearing it almost everyday, swapping between rubber and bracelet. I've grown to love it and even enjoy the dings and scratches it has accumulated, giving it a unique patina to me.
whats that panerai homage that has a skull on the dial
Nice. Like the rough one brushed even more 😊
Agreed that you have to experience many different watches to learn what your tastes really are. You discover your tastes and then sometimes they change and you have to discover that too. Both watches are great. Slight nod to the 177 because of the decreased weight.
Frustratingly part of the journey
Whats the background song?
Did you consider the 564? Same power reserve as the 915 and an in-house movement over the 177…
Looks great, both watches. I assembled a look alike myself with a Unitas 6497 movement clone. Saves me a lot of money and I don't have to think about selling the watch or not :)
I’ve got the Pam 1033 love the watch , thanks
i'll keep that PAM917 and sell the PAM 915 . titanium is just sweet on panerai as what you mentioned , its size . it gives that low key yet amazing watch . you jump to the ocean with that PAM 917 man , shows your passionate for that model :)
Dude, why you go and cheat on your first love? Just keep both. They are both amazing pieces… you’re so detail oriented you’ll always be able to discern /appreciate the subtle differences .
Overanalysis is my brand 😅
@@WatchCrunchOfficial 🤣🤣🤣
I've been looking at the Panerai Submersible Blu Notte with metal band for $11K-ish. I think it is a 42mm. I have a 6" wrist and it looked fine. But I'm older and already own a white gold Rolex sub (Smurf) and Patek Aquanaut and Cartier Pasha. Not counting my wife's Reverso, Rolex, etc. So far I'm fighting the urge.
I can relate to your progression into PAMs. I too love the 44mm luminor in Ti. It just makes it more wearable. I have the PAM116 base dial in tobacco. Relatively produced in much smaller numbers and the only Panerai that has remained through the years in my collection. Congrats on the 177!
Get the PAM177 - hard to beat titanium (pun intended). BTW - the grass will always seem greener on the other side. I've learned how to admire from afar and not necessarily need to buy a watch that I fancy.
I'm now in the process of letting go of my Luminor Due 42mm, a true jewel and a piece of art, but I want something more rugged - I don't want my PAM to be limited just as a dress watch. After a deep dive into PAMs, I've found a 111 that could be mine for a nice price. Note, I plan to wear this mainly on summer season, meaning I can wear t-shirts and other light clothing so that the bulkiness will not interfere with the winter jacket's sleeve or anything, and the shiny steel case will have it's opportunity to glimmer in the sun.
For winter I have thin Panerai inspired microbrand watch - a titanium Andersmann Classic, darker tone and warmer to the skin. Having a 177 as a winter watch could be an (expensive) option as well, maybe in the future? :D
"that's 196 hours for those of you gifted in multiplication" which I guess you're not 😜 8 days is 192 hours. But whatever your video is great and I love your channel!
I have a PAM 88 and an 1104…..I was ready to sell the 1104 after buying an IWC Big Pilot transitional piece (new dual Peleton spring with the old 5002 face) only 115 in the world. Then an IWC miramar top gun ceramic triple date and to round it off a Rolex Sub. However I put a thin dark brown alligator strap which feels really light and a great look. I always get compliments on my Panerai.
Hey can I ask what is the exact model of the Ostrich strap and the canvas strap did you order from Bosphorus strap please?
I’ve 914 which I’m hoping to dress up.
Ostrich patina coffee
Thank you! Can I trouble you about the canvas one? Both of them look beautiful!.
Btw I’m a huge fan of Pam 176/177 too.
And that I decided to reacquaint myself with Panerai and got ten 914 because of your video on your 915.
How much did you lose selling it?
I have the Panerai 177 on the mario paci sharkskin strap. Looks similar to Stallone’s with that strap. Would never sell it! Great review!
As a 177 owner, I sold my original 105 Base model because I also fell in love with the titanium case and the ability to brush out blemishes. I am now 15 years into the 177 and I will never ever let go of this watch. I am sure I would feel the same way about the 176 (same watch, without the second hand).
I need to look into how to get rid of scratches
Wearing a Pam915 at present. I did join watch crunch. Good luck whatever you do. 6 months still love my pam.
See you there!
Two excellent videos (915 and 177). I don’t think you have buyers remorse. I think you’re becoming Paneristi. You like the 915 so much, you immediately start looking for your next Panerai.
I found this really useful. I was thinking a lot about getting a 915 and tried one on (loved it) but there was also a 564 Titanium 8 Days for sale which I was watching too. The sellers discounted that this week and it was too good to resist any longer and it’s now on my wrist. Love it! Can’t now justify a 915… yet…
The Panerai swingers metaphor was wild
I may look into this as I am soon to be a new hire firefighter and looking for something more robust.
My watch and I tried counselling first before looking at new straps, glad to report it worked!
What's your wrist measure? I have a 6.5 inches wrist and I didn't put a Panerai on it yet! What do you think? Much appreciated!
6.5 as well
Hey luv the channel. Your “try a new strap” suggestion is spot-on to my experience. Keep up the great work!
Both watches look awesome for different reasons the first has the shiny new look and will great as long a you keep it looking shiny and new ,but when it gets dinged and scratched it will look it’s appeal , but eventually it will develop what my South African fiancé refers to as ( hoeding) I’ve surely spelled it wrong) patina ,mileage, attitude . The titanium one already has it , its the truck that you got for 500 bucks and has 500,000 miles on it and still goin strong !!!
good comments, thank you ! congratulations for you Pans
I'm currently deep into Panerai research, and it's actually beyond confusing with all the references, so it's understandable that the PAM177 slipped past you. I always thought a 44mm Pam on my barely 7-inch wrist would be too big, but having recently tried on a 45mm Rad I realised I was worrying about nothing! Ideally I'd prefer a 42mm Luminor but I don't care for the 1950 case shape, so I've narrowed my options down to a PAM111 or PAM183, both sandwich dial, exhibition case back, same movement, effectively the same watch just Luminor vs Radiomir, but the Titanium PAM177 is also a contender. The hunt continues...
My view - Keep the PAM177... because it's a better looking / feeling watch 🙂
Good luck on your pam journey 🤞
I really want a 1226 or 2223 - but just think Panerai is living in the past - at $6500-7000 my order would be in - just don’t have the value of Rolexes (yeah, I know I can’t get one at MSRP) in the $9000-11000 range.
I wouldn't get to a first date with a Panerai. ps. I get 192 hours for 8 days, or do they advertise 196 hours?
You need a Different dating pool 😉
@@WatchCrunchOfficial 😄 I prefer smaller and less chunky.
Panerai only claims 8 days of power reserve. You seem to be the only one who dared to challenge his arithmetic so far.
I do own a PAM177. The PAM1122 is the only other Panerai, which I did consider. But it was impossible to get.
I would love to see a new titanium 44mm, 300m water resistant ,Luminor with sandwich dial and normal white lumen.
I definitely understand what you are saying about trying a new watch strap. I have a favorite watch bracelet with straight end links. And whatever watch I put it on, in my collection, suddenly becomes my favorite watch. I think I like the bracelet almost more than the watches.
This is where getting too much into the weeds of watch collecting can be counterproductive as it takes away from the enjoyment of a piece. The new watch (the one you have) is epic. Sure, there might be a couple pieces out there that suit your taste a tiny bit better, but so be it. Buy a few more straps and enjoy the one you have, and admire the others from afar. They’re all very good watches. Personally, I prefer the polished stainless steel but wouldn’t bork at a titanium one either. 6 to one, half a dozen the other.
They both look nearly the same! However, my personal taste will definitely take me to the shinier watch, no doubt. Although I would personally prefer a thinner case for sure.
I wanted 915 exactly because of movement and fact that is polished. But I was puzzled cause in some cases I saw 915 with open case back. Until i catch the 915 with open case back in official Panerai boutique. So I needed to buy it and do not regret it! Love the watch
it seems they made only 2000 pcs of 915 with open case back
do not sell it. just buy another 177 if u love it so much ;)
What did you do?