I bought the 2022 Trail Boss rather than the ZR2 because I wanted a standard bed that I could put a topper on and sleep in the back when on hunting trips. Since the ZR2 only comes in short bed, that is too short for me to lie down in (unless I lied diagonally and I did not want that).
@@perpelle I don't hunt but dated a girl who told me this. I guess you get close in your truck then get out and stalk. It's perfectly legal and moral if you aren't a hippie and have a license. You just can't shoot from the truck or near, across or towards a road. Hunter's safety class teaches all the rules.
@@BenKlassen1 Different laws for different countries. Where I live it's strictly forbidden to hunt/seek out/chase animals from a vehicle. You park your vehicle in the woods and then begin your hunting (which can be miles away from where you actually shoot an animal). Many animals are also not scared of some sounds. When I ride my 2-stroke enduro in the woods the moose/deers don't really care.
People don't seem to understand that when GM announced they were going to "upgrade" the interior, they were really saying, "we heard all your whining, we're going to change the interior earlier than planned but it's coming with a big price increase like all the other brands."
I test drove the F150, Ram, and SIlverado yesterday. The Silverado has by far the best interior though those Ford massaging seats are amazing. I am leaning towards the trail boss/diesel. It is 10K cheaper. I don't really need fr/r lockers and an upgraded suspension. I have a built Jeep for real off-roading.
I have the Duramax and love it. Lifetime truck MPG including towing and everything is 25.1mpg all hand tracked in Fuelly. Best MPG tank to date was 31.8mpg. It's phenomenal. It's a truck it isn't meant to go fast. I really wish the ZR2 was offered in the diesel just like the ZR2 Colorado is.
@@mahhty4279 you right, it's an Eaton locker that uses centrifugal forces or something. I too wish I could just get a locker installed in the front and rear and press a button.
I have a 2022 refresh trail boss duramax and I love it I’ve had it since April. The sunroof leather I absolutely love this truck and it just gets better ever day I drive it. I have 3275 miles on it
If I was in the market for a 1/2 ton today it would be the Silverado TB with 3.0L diesel or F-150 Tremor. Don't think you can buy a better all-around 1/2 ton pickup for the money than either of them. Whichever of the two I could get the best deal on would be in my garage.
Do not buy a 3.0l diesel. Stick with a 5.3 simple and bulletproof, and the ZR2 is a joke! Uses same shocks as the Colorado zr2. Still has the rattling plastic interior. I’m highly disappointed in my 70k$ 2020 high country 2500
@@bigbeef8935 lol wtf are smoking. GM has finally walked the segment with interior in '22+ Silverado Sierra. That 3.0 has been a tip top engine with superb mileage and behavior.
Love my Refreshed Trailboss, it’s got the 6.2L in dark ash with dark badging package, except for the Z71 emblems and sticker. Would have gotten the ZR2, but I don’t do any off roading to need all the little extras that come with it. Very content with my Trailboss..
That locker only being available in 4L is kind of a deal breaker for me on the ZR2. I was more thinking about using it at higher speeds in snow and mud.
A typical axle will have one tire that spins while the other does not in situations where footing is sketchy, such as in mud or rocky mountain trail terrain. A locker will put power to both wheels in that situation. In both axles in the case of the ZR2.
1500 ZR2 + Duramax 3.0 will be a great option.... maybe with the new LZ0 3.0 Duramax after they relocate the intercooler from behind the front bumper they will offer it.
Duramax is the best GMC engine ever. I love it on my Silverado and can’t never go back. If ZR2 make their trim available on diesel I would defintely get one; otherwise I am not interested rather than the trail boss. I wish I was trim savy before getting my truck; I Got the LT all star diesel edition which is a very beautiful truck but now I am debating to go on and actually exchange it for a trail boss diesel. However personally I am not too much of an off-roading guy but the design and the lift of trail boss really attractive.
I went went w the TB over the ZR2. The market adjustment is 10-15k over sticker where I live for the ZR2 so it was a no brainer. Plus, the rear end looks better w the dual exhaust on the TB.
He made a better choice. The 3.0 D-max is a much better setup then the 6.2. Double the mileage. Now just put the DSSV shocks on it and your 99% of the ZR2.
I think you’re underestimating the benefits of selectable lockers, while I do agree that the Boss is always customizable, and full size trucks will hardly see rock crawling, in some situations predictable accession is more favorable than an open differential and locking up after a couple of rotations. If an AEV conversion is to be available, I can’t see them accepting the conversion without the diesel as an option, and I think that a $75k diesel silver bison would be the ultimate version of this truck.
Wow I can’t believe how much payload and towing capacity you give up with these trims. I have a 2019 LTZ Z71 5.3 with the heavy automatic running boards, and my payload capacity is 1734lbs and towing is 9634lbs. About 300lbs more. That really makes a big difference when hauling a camper kids and dog and gear. Still way better than a Raptor or TRX, and F150s silly high towing capacity with low payload. Tongue weight is always added to the payload and is usually 10-15% Chevy does this right Ford is just marketing. What good is towing capacity if you can’t haul anyone or stuff with you. i actually like the 2019 front end better than the new trail boss, although the ZR2 looks really good. Great video and awesome looking trucks. 8:02
All these companies releasing off-road trims. I’d like to see Chevy do a complete turnaround and bring back the Silverado ss. Available in Crew cab or single and lower sportier suspension and with lt4. They would probably sell like hotcakes
I'm a huge fan of 2wd reg cab trucks. modified, even better. they are faster, better handling, are lower therefore easier to work out of and get better MPG than their 4wd cousins. i also can see around me that most trucks sold are the new soccermom mobile with 4 doors.(ok 99 percent) i have always hated 4 door trucks, the old ones looked like goofy limousines and the new ones look like suvs with a tiny bed big enough for a beer cooler and my lunch box...
I have had 3 of the 3.0 Duramax truck now, two were RST trim and one 2022 Trail Boss just like this one. Great power plant and mpg is super. Average of about 24.5 mpg on my daily driving which is about a 75/25% split of highway/city. Just purchased a 2023 ZR2 with the 6.2 liter motor but only about 1500 miles so far, so not much of an opinion yet. Great truck though as far as off road and suspension.
I chose the at4 over the zr2 just because of the diesel. I wanted the zr2 because I am coming from the Colorado zr2 diesel which I loved but Chevy blew it by not offering the 3.0 in the zr2.
@@ALMX5DP yeah, I tow a 30 foot travel trailer and live full time. A cargo van fits my lifestyle better than a pickup with a topper. Towing the Chevy gets better mpg than the Ford does, and in my opinion the Ford van is just ugly. I grew up and started driving in the 80's and drove a Dodge van for years. I just like the look of the old style vans over the European style vans.
@@woffordsoverlandjourneys8618 that's the V 8 Duramax, I would like the straight 6 Duramax, I think that would be a good combo for my need, but then again there is no replacement for displacement.
Never owned a pickup or anything close to one but I would love for the TB to be my first. The exterior is good and it’s a good truck in case u might go off-road 😉
I went with the 23 Sierra AT4 with the 3.0 Diesel. I'm getting high 20's and sometimes low 30's Mpg. Unless you're doing heavy off roading, which will likely cause damage to your truck, the Trail Boss/AT4 will do everything 99% of most buyers needs. You can add better suspension than the DSSV shocks real easily and still be way under the price of a ZR2, getting double the mileage with the diesel and much better towing.
The only thing that bothers me about Chevy now is those control arms they look so thin @3:50 I know it's to Lighten the truck for mpg but if you put bigger tires on those for sure will need to be replaced by aftermarket.
Andre, I love your videos. But, in this one it seemed like you were worried about making the TB owner feel bad by discussing the benefits of the ZR2 over the TB. So, from this video, it seems like the benefits of the ZR2 aren't worth the extra cash. From your other videos it seems like maybe you feel the opposite. I still love your videos. I'm a huge fan!
@Mark Treu I watched Andre dance the line too. It seems he glazed over the ZR2. I still believe the TB in this scenario is the better option. ZR 2 will have a following just not my style
Number one reason I didn't purchase a diesel Silverado is the belt driven cam shaft. Not chain driven belt driven and to change it you have to remove the transmission because it's located at the back of the engine.
Quit regurgitating nonsense u hear on the internet and do a little reading. Belt is good past 150k miles and u don't have to remove the trans to change it. Learn a little sumpin.
now with that new interior and the diesel option i think that Trail boss is the truck id go with, I dont need the top of the line with all the bells and whistles. this truck looks great.
Of these two trucks, I would go with the Trail Boss Duramax. It can do everything I would need it to do (and then some). Different colours and I would stick with the 18s, but I really like the tire on the 20s mind you, but these are personal choices. The truck this guy has here is a beautiful truck!! Thanks for sharing it with us! I drive a F150 Tremor with the Torsen front differential. I can use the rear locker in 4 high or 4 low, and the Torsen is always ther waiting to help out when needed, so I’m not as limited to the use. The Eaton automatic locker (option code G80) is ther in any setting 2wd 4x4 high or low,,,, no matter what, all the time. Once you get used to it, the system works very well. You just have to learn to be comfortable with wheel spin and then once it locks, keep the pressure on to the rear axel. It is an easy system. That’s why GM has been using a form of it since the 60s. It works. I’m happy with the F150 Tremor, but actually prefer the looks and interiors of the new Chevy trucks, especially the Trail Boss and ZR2. I did get the loaded (mostly for its level), but XLT level interior in the truck. It means I paid a little less than what the Trail Boss cost here. I prefer a fabric seat over leather and GM seats are the truck’s biggest downfall to me. Not a dealbreaker, but close. I did get the 2.0kw Pro Power Onboard as I had a PowerBoost F150 Lariat before and use the system all the time, but didn’t use more than 2kw so it works for me!! Both trucks here are very nice but the 3.0 Duramax would seal the deal for me!! The Trail Boss is the better truck here,,,, for my needs.
I would definitely go for the TB, just because of the duramax. Sure it's not as powerful or as quick as the 6.2 but it will definitely last longer and break down far less often.
My trail boss with the 10L80 transmission has been in the shop twice to replace the pump gear. 3 months for the 1st trip and 2 mounts for the 2nd. Be careful with the GM 10 speeds
With over a million subscribers you’d think they could enter the 2020’s and start posting their videos in 4K. There aren’t even phones made anymore with a resolution as low as 1080p.
Since there are now more and more outdoor enthusiasts world-wide, If GM was smart. They would revive the Avalanche in Gasoline or diesel then later on in EV. You have tons of bed space when the rear is folded and opened up and you can even enclose it to camp in and still have access to the cabin. You can drive off quickly if any emergency. With a regular truck you have to get out from the bed area then hop back around into the cabin. Something to think about.
I wish truck makers would stop installing 20" wheels as OEM on trucks that are marketed as off-road capable. No off-road branded truck should ever come with wheels bigger than 18".
The best would be the ZR2 with the duramax but it's not available as of now. I really like the TB with the duramax, but it's a bit pricey for 62k. I have a 2020 5.3 10 speed 2LT TB with all the options and I would love to trade it in for the new one with the duramax, however I paid 49k for mine with 7700 off msrp at the time and these new trucks are over 60k now😮
Wow, that is about the exact same deal I had gotten for my 5.3 LT Trailboss back in Oct 2020. I think with some regions or dealerships bull$hit "market adjustments" added on, the value is totally warped out of control.
Wow, that I want to see it. I so happy so much to see a duramax on it. If I have one? I will drive around in the sand dunes and I know where is trail somewhere in the Cali and o Oregon.
I got the ZR2 over the trail boss. Surprisingly, you can find 2023 ZR2's brand new on the lot at the same price as the 2024 TB. I got out the door taxes and everything at 66K for a brand new 2023 ZR2. Although, I did get employee pricing because my bro in law is an employee. The interior totally sold me. The stitching on the interior just screamed quality. The TB looked a bit more like plastic all around. The TB even had a sun roof, but the rest of the interior wasn't even close.
There’s no fart button on the ZR2??? I ordered one about a month ago because I want the DSSV shocks (I’m a sucker for the marketing of a good mall-crawler). But I will probably trade it in when they the new diesel comes out. Diesel power is really luxurious.
Both are great trucks, bought a 21 LT TB and saw the ZR2 and at first glance had buyers remorse for not waiting on the ZR2 but after seeing a few things am glad I got a 21. Not a fan of automatic floor shifters so that would've been a deal killer but the display is also too big imo. I looked at the TRX and between the shifter and the display being distracting and too busy, ended up going with Chevy again with no regrets. That and oh yeah, the price tag on the TRX😉 What a time we're living in with all these great ass trucks though
LT is a big down grade for amenities. ZR2 is a LTZ/ High county for only 2k more. Amenities that are missing on the LT. Power passenger seats, power folding mirrors, power steering column, wireless charging, mirror lights, cooling seats, etc.
I have a 19 LT with the 2.7 and so far it’s been a pretty decent truck the one thing I dislike is the eight speed transmission it shifts too slow and sometimes very harsh the engine on the other hand has plenty of power for passing as well as towing and the fuel economy on the highway is pretty good I would’ve like to go with the 3 L Duramax but the emission systems and DEF fluid can really get expensive once your warranty runs out
Well 52k on it and have 23.4 lifetime average mpg so works fine for me, oh and it’s paid for… Get back to me after you move out of your moms basement and get a job…..
Before the microchip shortage Ford was actually discounting the Raptor as the could produce more than the market demanded. Now there’s the TRX adding a vehicle to a niche that was possibly oversubscribed already. A 3rd player would be nice for choice, but not a good choice for profitability and sales volumes. I believe that’s why they didn’t go all out. I respect the decision as I’m not such a fan of the product as others are. I’m not exactly brand loyal but I have been driving Ford over the others due to price for content, and now that content includes Pro Power onboard, which I truly use!! A lot. Otherwise, the amount of Chevy truck you can get for the $$$ makes the decision a no brainer. In fact I run with a stubby truck camper, but could just as easily convert a topper carrying truck into what I need and be happy. That is less than the camper and the truck is less, so much so that I can build my own system that’s solar based to power things. 3 flexible solar panels @ 175 watts each (525 watts total) a 400 ah LiFePO4 battery, charge controller and 2500 watt inverter (you could go 3000 watts even). Don’t even need to use the truck’s system to charge up! (I would hook it up to the charging system of the truck though). Vs what I have paid you will still be a few thousand ahead of the game. I already had the camper and bought a F150 Tremor with the Torsen front differential before the ZR2 was available. I’m gonna stick with it for a few years at least. The F150 Tremor as equipped does 95% of what the ZR2 dies in the rocks and actually will outperform it in the snow and mud (you can still steer vs lockers that make steering difficult) so it’s a +- thing. It exceeds my needs and if you need the extra 5% on the rocks, the ZR2 is available. The ZR2 is expensive though. My Tremor is finished to the XLT level, but with most if not all, options available at that level and was thousands less than a ZR2 that the dealer quoted me on for price if I were to order one. Anyways, to each their own. I have gone way off topic,,,,,, 😂😂 Please stay safe out there, Eh!
@@shitloveaduck great info and it makes sense. I know guys with Raptor trucks and I've driven them. They are very capable offload but I cannot stand that Ecoboost engine. They should have stuck a Coyote 5.0 in that truck. I would have bought one if they did.
@@jasonpitts8395 - Thanks. I have had the original Raptor, a 2012 SuperCab with the 6.2. I bought it after I already had a 2019 Raptor SuperCab with the 450 hp EcoBoost. I had similar thoughts, but then the 6.2 was underpowered in comparison (it really wasn’t, but it’s hard to go down). I supercharged the 6.2, and then it has the power, but I guess I was used to the EcoBoost by then and actually preferred it. The torques is so way down low in the revs. The 6.2 and especially 5.0 have their torque happening much higher in the rev band. I don’t discredit the 5.0 as a motor, but it would definitely feel underpowered to the HO 3.5 EcoBoost. You would need to supercharge it, but even then the 3.5 HO can outperform many of the supercharged model 5.0s because of the launch. Maybe not in the 1/4 mile, but at legal speeds it has 70% of the torque at 1300 Rpm and that full 510 lift of torque at 3,000 rpm. The 5.0 peaks well over 4,000 rpm and i takes longer to get to the 70% even. There’s a drone to the 3.5 when you are off-road that many don’t like, I understand, but as far as actual performance, it really does outperform the 5.0 significantly. I am a retired Rancher/LEO (did both at the same time 4 as LEO then 4 days as rancher and so on) had a tire shop too, but a good manager so it was mostly hands off for me. The Ranch was 8800 acres with a 25000 head feedlot as well. I needed a good number of employees and trucks. I ran Fords from 98 on due to reliability, but more so price. Every time I put a truck bid out to the dealers, Ford came back with the best bang for the buck. I had all 5.0 trucks in my 1/2 tons after it came out for 2011. Then my buddy that owned the dealership slipped 2 trucks with the 2.7 equipped the same as the 2 trucks with the 5.0 I had just received. I ordered 4 but all 5.0. He had the other 2 on the lot if I really hated the 2.7s. Once the guys figured out the differences, they argued about so gets the 2.7 OVER the 5.0. The 2.7 was much torquier than the 5.0 and since the trucks rarely saw over 50 mph, the 5.0 didn’t get a chance to shine. My personal truck was a 5.0 work tuck and I loved it. After about 6 months I brought my main crew of 6 guys (I employed over 20 people there but many were transient, goes with the industry). I asked them about the 2 trucks and their preferences. They all loved the 5.0 for a personal truck, but 5 out of 6 preferred the 2.7 in the work truck. The torque was the thing. The trucks always had 300-500 lbs of tools and gear in them, were hauling hay, straw, fence posts, whatever, and often a trailer was needed for greater capacity. They were doing this on 2 track and worse. The 2.7 shone at these speeds. They preferred the 5.0 when towing at highway speeds. The fuel was a big thing for the business. Even though the 2.7s were the first chosen, they were about 10% better in fuel consumption. Month after month for the last 4 months prior. The first 2 months the guys were getting used to them. It floored me!!! I had not really driven the 2.7s. I had my Raptor by then (kind of a retirement gift to myself) and loved it, but off-road there seemed to be a bit of hesitation for the turbos to spool up, but it was ever so slight. In 4x4 low it really wasn’t an issue. I think it takes getting used to, but overall it’s a better performing engine. The getting used to part is where guys that truly drive both motors form their opinion. It’s either instant or some accept the difference and give the EcoBoost a try. I determined the 3.5s differences were far outweighed by the benefits. Now I will get one more 5.0 truck. It’s going to be a Lariat 2wd 5.0 and I will go with the Roush Supercharger and performance equipment. I will also lower it, throw on a colour matching topper finished in the box as well and it will be a toy. Hopefully there’s an interior update before they cancel the 5.0. I’m not a huge fan of the Ford interior now that the competition has upped their game. Sorry, another long comment. I loved the 5.0 since day one, but the EcoBoost, especially the 3.5, has grown on me and is definitely the better performer. Wonder if the 5.8 rumours are true. The factory is here in Canada and they signed on to produce the Ford V8s for the next 10 years, so,,,,,.
Diesel Chevy gives 30 MPG on the highway? was that right? vs 17 MPO with the ZR2.. Interesting. I was making a move on the ZR2 (waiting to see the Bison trim). But this changed my view.. Thanks!
I didn't like GM trucks for awhile because they looked ugly to me but now the refresh looks a whole lot better then did years back. But dang new trucks are way too exspensive now, like buying a house in some places, so won't be able to get one if ever. Anyways the new GM trucks don't look to bad and won't mind having one if I could afford one.
Do I buy a diesel truck with the price of fuel being so high? Is the economy going to crash should I wait for trucks to become cheaper or should I bite the bullet and buy one now before inflation hikes up another few percents?
The owner of the business i work for has the 3.0 Duramax in a Denali. He has had endless problems. Every month or so the check engine light is back on for something new. As a ram guy I thought it would still be a decent engine. After watching him with his experience i just dont think i could trust it
Id rather dump $6500 in an OBS Chevy than 65k on a new one Id be afraid to use as a truck. But then again I’m not someone to buy a new truck because the previous body style has been around a few years.
Tanner! Thanks for showing your truck!
I bought the 2022 Trail Boss rather than the ZR2 because I wanted a standard bed that I could put a topper on and sleep in the back when on hunting trips. Since the ZR2 only comes in short bed, that is too short for me to lie down in (unless I lied diagonally and I did not want that).
And diesel
@@vincenatalizio8997 For hunting, gas is better; quieter for sneaking up on wildlife.
@@BenKlassen1 Yeah, because hunting with your vehicle is morally correct.
@@perpelle I don't hunt but dated a girl who told me this. I guess you get close in your truck then get out and stalk. It's perfectly legal and moral if you aren't a hippie and have a license.
You just can't shoot from the truck or near, across or towards a road.
Hunter's safety class teaches all the rules.
@@BenKlassen1 Different laws for different countries. Where I live it's strictly forbidden to hunt/seek out/chase animals from a vehicle.
You park your vehicle in the woods and then begin your hunting (which can be miles away from where you actually shoot an animal).
Many animals are also not scared of some sounds. When I ride my 2-stroke enduro in the woods the moose/deers don't really care.
Purchased a 2024 Silverado ZR2 with the Duramax. The fuel economy is definitely a welcomed surprise. I average 25-26 with a roof top tent in Colorado.
I really like the Trail Boss, would love to upgrade to a full-size one day.
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Love the new interiors, wish they hadn't messed with the grill though. Probably will never be able to afford one anyway at this rate.
People don't seem to understand that when GM announced they were going to "upgrade" the interior, they were really saying, "we heard all your whining, we're going to change the interior earlier than planned but it's coming with a big price increase like all the other brands."
That ZR2 looks so good in that Desert Tan 🤩. 👍🏻🇺🇸
I test drove the F150, Ram, and SIlverado yesterday. The Silverado has by far the best interior though those Ford massaging seats are amazing. I am leaning towards the trail boss/diesel. It is 10K cheaper. I don't really need fr/r lockers and an upgraded suspension. I have a built Jeep for real off-roading.
Congratulations on the new truck, good choice with the Diesel. 👍🏻👍🏻
Just here to see to drop a comment for no reason. But I love TFL 👌🏽
Nice looking TB! Great mileage as well, would probably be my choice for an all around 1/2 ton.
I have the Duramax and love it. Lifetime truck MPG including towing and everything is 25.1mpg all hand tracked in Fuelly. Best MPG tank to date was 31.8mpg. It's phenomenal. It's a truck it isn't meant to go fast. I really wish the ZR2 was offered in the diesel just like the ZR2 Colorado is.
Getting mine this Thursday, currently on the truck. Ship it from MI to CA. Bought it 4500 below msrp!
Trail boss just needs a E-locker in the back
Doesn't it have the G80?
Mine has the G80
It does
@@MrWeaponlord G80 is not an e-locker ron
@@mahhty4279 you right, it's an Eaton locker that uses centrifugal forces or something. I too wish I could just get a locker installed in the front and rear and press a button.
I have a 2022 refresh trail boss duramax and I love it I’ve had it since April. The sunroof leather I absolutely love this truck and it just gets better ever day I drive it. I have 3275 miles on it
If I was in the market for a 1/2 ton today it would be the Silverado TB with 3.0L diesel or F-150 Tremor. Don't think you can buy a better all-around 1/2 ton pickup for the money than either of them. Whichever of the two I could get the best deal on would be in my garage.
The Tremor just looks so gooddd
Do not buy a 3.0l diesel. Stick with a 5.3 simple and bulletproof, and the ZR2 is a joke! Uses same shocks as the Colorado zr2. Still has the rattling plastic interior. I’m highly disappointed in my 70k$ 2020 high country 2500
@@bigbeef8935 I’m buying an F150 5.0L
@@bigbeef8935 5.3 Bullet proof? What about the lifter problems?
@@bigbeef8935 lol wtf are smoking. GM has finally walked the segment with interior in '22+ Silverado Sierra. That 3.0 has been a tip top engine with superb mileage and behavior.
I'm definitely buying this new Silverado Trail Boss, with the diesel! I'm even going to copy and go for the midnight package as well! LOLOL
Good choice!
How many times does Andre say “the ZR2 is a more premium truck” to Tanner. Not like he’s trying to rub it in or anything…
The trail boss with the 6.2 is the sweet spot in price and what you get.
I just got a trail boss I can’t be any happier
I did a muffler delete on a Silverado ZR2 on my channel! AWESOME truck! Going to be doing content on it all summer long!
Both are awesome and would love to have one of those in my driveway
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GM products are garbage get ready for problems.
Love my Refreshed Trailboss, it’s got the 6.2L in dark ash with dark badging package, except for the Z71 emblems and sticker. Would have gotten the ZR2, but I don’t do any off roading to need all the little extras that come with it. Very content with my Trailboss..
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Dark ash is so nice, looks almost black with overcast skies.
did you get the 18 or 20" wheels? I have the 18's but debating on swapping for 20's
@@raddadization Why would you want a 20" wheel on an off road truck?!
No sound exhaust comparation, come on Andre!
Great truck Tanner, thanks for sharing
That locker only being available in 4L is kind of a deal breaker for me on the ZR2. I was more thinking about using it at higher speeds in snow and mud.
What does locker do ?
A typical axle will have one tire that spins while the other does not in situations where footing is sketchy, such as in mud or rocky mountain trail terrain. A locker will put power to both wheels in that situation. In both axles in the case of the ZR2.
Wrong the rear locker can lock in 2wd or 4 hi the front locker is only 4 lo
1500 ZR2 + Duramax 3.0 will be a great option.... maybe with the new LZ0 3.0 Duramax after they relocate the intercooler from behind the front bumper they will offer it.
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Agree would be perfect, MPG's, locking diff, good shocks from factory. Hopefully bump up the HP a little too.
Duramax is the best GMC engine ever. I love it on my Silverado and can’t never go back. If ZR2 make their trim available on diesel I would defintely get one; otherwise I am not interested rather than the trail boss. I wish I was trim savy before getting my truck; I Got the LT all star diesel edition which is a very beautiful truck but now I am debating to go on and actually exchange it for a trail boss diesel. However personally I am not too much of an off-roading guy but the design and the lift of trail boss really attractive.
Great truck Tanner! 30 MPG wow!
I went went w the TB over the ZR2. The market adjustment is 10-15k over sticker where I live for the ZR2 so it was a no brainer. Plus, the rear end looks better w the dual exhaust on the TB.
I hate the HDMI ports of the rear... wish there was a delete option for the TB.
He made a better choice. The 3.0 D-max is a much better setup then the 6.2. Double the mileage. Now just put the DSSV shocks on it and your 99% of the ZR2.
I think you’re underestimating the benefits of selectable lockers, while I do agree that the Boss is always customizable, and full size trucks will hardly see rock crawling, in some situations predictable accession is more favorable than an open differential and locking up after a couple of rotations. If an AEV conversion is to be available, I can’t see them accepting the conversion without the diesel as an option, and I think that a $75k diesel silver bison would be the ultimate version of this truck.
The 6.2 is the more reliable truck. Focus on what matters.
Those dssv shocks will not interchange with the Trail Boss or any other Silverado
at least a selectable rear locker and I think that would be perfect match with the diesel.
@@captaininsano2777 Do your research....No its not. And the 3.0 gets much much better milage.
Wow I can’t believe how much payload and towing capacity you give up with these trims. I have a 2019 LTZ Z71 5.3 with the heavy automatic running boards, and my payload capacity is 1734lbs and towing is 9634lbs. About 300lbs more. That really makes a big difference when hauling a camper kids and dog and gear. Still way better than a Raptor or TRX, and F150s silly high towing capacity with low payload. Tongue weight is always added to the payload and is usually 10-15% Chevy does this right Ford is just marketing. What good is towing capacity if you can’t haul anyone or stuff with you. i actually like the 2019 front end better than the new trail boss, although the ZR2 looks really good. Great video and awesome looking trucks. 8:02
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That zr2 grill is beautiful. Just wish silverados came with a larger fuel tank option
All these companies releasing off-road trims. I’d like to see Chevy do a complete turnaround and bring back the Silverado ss. Available in Crew cab or single and lower sportier suspension and with lt4. They would probably sell like hotcakes
That's stupid..
Buy a car...
Nobody is buying low rolling 2WD trucks, except for OG Cholos (& I say Cholo w/ respect, which is about half my neighbors here in CA).
Get an RST
@@czrmtz2431 Really Stupid Truck...
I'm a huge fan of 2wd reg cab trucks. modified, even better. they are faster, better handling, are lower therefore easier to work out of and get better MPG than their 4wd cousins. i also can see around me that most trucks sold are the new soccermom mobile with 4 doors.(ok 99 percent) i have always hated 4 door trucks, the old ones looked like goofy limousines and the new ones look like suvs with a tiny bed big enough for a beer cooler and my lunch box...
I have had 3 of the 3.0 Duramax truck now, two were RST trim and one 2022 Trail Boss just like this one. Great power plant and mpg is super. Average of about 24.5 mpg on my daily driving which is about a 75/25% split of highway/city. Just purchased a 2023 ZR2 with the 6.2 liter motor but only about 1500 miles so far, so not much of an opinion yet. Great truck though as far as off road and suspension.
I Loved Both Of Them.
Thirty MPG on highway in a diesel and a full size truck. That’s impressive.
I can't wait to get my AT4 diesel, these 3.0L are getting very popular
Got 4k on my 3.0... very impressed with it. Came from a GM 6.2 and Ram 6.4 V8
I chose the at4 over the zr2 just because of the diesel. I wanted the zr2 because I am coming from the Colorado zr2 diesel which I loved but Chevy blew it by not offering the 3.0 in the zr2.
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I sure wish that that Duramax was available in the 2500 cargo Van.
That would be cool. Had to check the site and was pleasantly surprised that the 4.3 and 2.8 are still offered, so at least it has those.
@@ALMX5DP yeah, I tow a 30 foot travel trailer and live full time. A cargo van fits my lifestyle better than a pickup with a topper. Towing the Chevy gets better mpg than the Ford does, and in my opinion the Ford van is just ugly. I grew up and started driving in the 80's and drove a Dodge van for years. I just like the look of the old style vans over the European style vans.
It is in earlier vans ! I have one
@@woffordsoverlandjourneys8618 that's the V 8 Duramax, I would like the straight 6 Duramax, I think that would be a good combo for my need, but then again there is no replacement for displacement.
They currently have the 2.8 from the Colorado. But I think that's for fleets only
Never owned a pickup or anything close to one but I would love for the TB to be my first. The exterior is good and it’s a good truck in case u might go off-road 😉
I felt the same way back in 2020. I have had several VW GTI's, a Subaru WRX but got a 2020 Trailboss and I am enjoying the truck experience.
I love my 22' Refreshed 6.2l Trail Boss. It took 10 weeks to get . Wish I would have gotten the 20" wheels though.
Just ordered a 22 trail boss yesterday. Was it 10 weeks total from order or 10 weeks from allocation?
I went with the 23 Sierra AT4 with the 3.0 Diesel. I'm getting high 20's and sometimes low 30's Mpg. Unless you're doing heavy off roading, which will likely cause damage to your truck, the Trail Boss/AT4 will do everything 99% of most buyers needs. You can add better suspension than the DSSV shocks real easily and still be way under the price of a ZR2, getting double the mileage with the diesel and much better towing.
I would be doing cartwheels to own either of these beautiful trucks
Interviewer: “So Dre, why did you decide to go with the ‘Trail Boss’?”
Me: “The name duh.”
HAVE A BEAUTIFUL DAY EVERYONE
The updated Trail Boss looks so nice.
Ordered my TB duramax 3 months ago. Suppose to arrive next week!! Would have been a ZR2 but they don't put the diesel in it. 😕
Ill take that Diesel Trailboss or AT4 anyday before a ZR2 with the 6.2L.
The only thing that bothers me about Chevy now is those control arms they look so thin @3:50 I know it's to Lighten the truck for mpg but if you put bigger tires on those for sure will need to be replaced by aftermarket.
Andre, I love your videos. But, in this one it seemed like you were worried about making the TB owner feel bad by discussing the benefits of the ZR2 over the TB. So, from this video, it seems like the benefits of the ZR2 aren't worth the extra cash. From your other videos it seems like maybe you feel the opposite. I still love your videos. I'm a huge fan!
@Mark Treu
I watched Andre dance the line too. It seems he glazed over the ZR2. I still believe the TB in this scenario is the better option. ZR 2 will have a following just not my style
I like the is video. Straight to the point. I like this guy had a Tundra, I can’t wait to get rid of my Tundra.
Number one reason I didn't purchase a diesel Silverado is the belt driven cam shaft. Not chain driven belt driven and to change it you have to remove the transmission because it's located at the back of the engine.
Quit regurgitating nonsense u hear on the internet and do a little reading. Belt is good past 150k miles and u don't have to remove the trans to change it.
Learn a little sumpin.
Great comparison.
now with that new interior and the diesel option i think that Trail boss is the truck id go with, I dont need the top of the line with all the bells and whistles. this truck looks great.
both trucks are very nice
They should have made ZR2 available with the diesel.
Of these two trucks, I would go with the Trail Boss Duramax. It can do everything I would need it to do (and then some). Different colours and I would stick with the 18s, but I really like the tire on the 20s mind you, but these are personal choices. The truck this guy has here is a beautiful truck!! Thanks for sharing it with us!
I drive a F150 Tremor with the Torsen front differential. I can use the rear locker in 4 high or 4 low, and the Torsen is always ther waiting to help out when needed, so I’m not as limited to the use. The Eaton automatic locker (option code G80) is ther in any setting 2wd 4x4 high or low,,,, no matter what, all the time. Once you get used to it, the system works very well. You just have to learn to be comfortable with wheel spin and then once it locks, keep the pressure on to the rear axel. It is an easy system. That’s why GM has been using a form of it since the 60s. It works.
I’m happy with the F150 Tremor, but actually prefer the looks and interiors of the new Chevy trucks, especially the Trail Boss and ZR2. I did get the loaded (mostly for its level), but XLT level interior in the truck. It means I paid a little less than what the Trail Boss cost here. I prefer a fabric seat over leather and GM seats are the truck’s biggest downfall to me. Not a dealbreaker, but close. I did get the 2.0kw Pro Power Onboard as I had a PowerBoost F150 Lariat before and use the system all the time, but didn’t use more than 2kw so it works for me!!
Both trucks here are very nice but the 3.0 Duramax would seal the deal for me!! The Trail Boss is the better truck here,,,, for my needs.
I would definitely go for the TB, just because of the duramax. Sure it's not as powerful or as quick as the 6.2 but it will definitely last longer and break down far less often.
Andrey talking about all the specs that the owner obviously knows already, and just mm-hmm's at him is hilarious. Very good Andrey, you know things.
My trail boss with the 10L80 transmission has been in the shop twice to replace the pump gear. 3 months for the 1st trip and 2 mounts for the 2nd. Be careful with the GM 10 speeds
With over a million subscribers you’d think they could enter the 2020’s and start posting their videos in 4K. There aren’t even phones made anymore with a resolution as low as 1080p.
Just picked up my z71 Suburban after ordering it 6 months ago, wish it had the new truck interior.
The Z71 suburbans look awsome though. I think the interior is nice in them tbh.
Hate the shifter in the console, no reason for it to be there taking up storage space
I like the all windows fart button 😂
Since there are now more and more outdoor enthusiasts world-wide, If GM was smart. They would revive the Avalanche in Gasoline or diesel then later on in EV.
You have tons of bed space when the rear is folded and opened up and you can even enclose it to camp in and still have access to the cabin. You can drive off quickly if any emergency. With a regular truck you have to get out from the bed area then hop back around into the cabin. Something to think about.
I wish truck makers would stop installing 20" wheels as OEM on trucks that are marketed as off-road capable. No off-road branded truck should ever come with wheels bigger than 18".
The best would be the ZR2 with the duramax but it's not available as of now. I really like the TB with the duramax, but it's a bit pricey for 62k. I have a 2020 5.3 10 speed 2LT TB with all the options and I would love to trade it in for the new one with the duramax, however I paid 49k for mine with 7700 off msrp at the time and these new trucks are over 60k now😮
Wow, that is about the exact same deal I had gotten for my 5.3 LT Trailboss back in Oct 2020. I think with some regions or dealerships bull$hit "market adjustments" added on, the value is totally warped out of control.
Wow, that I want to see it.
I so happy so much to see a duramax on it.
If I have one? I will drive around in the sand dunes and I know where is trail somewhere in the Cali and o Oregon.
Young guys love their blacked out trucks with 20” or larger rims
Good choice in truck. Horrible choice in color unless you ceramic coat it immediately. The diesel w the 10 speed is smoove as butter in my Yukon.
I got the ZR2 over the trail boss. Surprisingly, you can find 2023 ZR2's brand new on the lot at the same price as the 2024 TB. I got out the door taxes and everything at 66K for a brand new 2023 ZR2. Although, I did get employee pricing because my bro in law is an employee. The interior totally sold me. The stitching on the interior just screamed quality. The TB looked a bit more like plastic all around. The TB even had a sun roof, but the rest of the interior wasn't even close.
There’s no fart button on the ZR2??? I ordered one about a month ago because I want the DSSV shocks (I’m a sucker for the marketing of a good mall-crawler). But I will probably trade it in when they the new diesel comes out. Diesel power is really luxurious.
I have a 2017 GMC Canyon SLT 2.8 duramax I’m getting 52 mpg hwy and 32city baybay!!
Sweet ride! Although it’s strange it has a gas pedal? 🧐😂☘️🙏
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Both are great trucks, bought a 21 LT TB and saw the ZR2 and at first glance had buyers remorse for not waiting on the ZR2 but after seeing a few things am glad I got a 21. Not a fan of automatic floor shifters so that would've been a deal killer but the display is also too big imo. I looked at the TRX and between the shifter and the display being distracting and too busy, ended up going with Chevy again with no regrets. That and oh yeah, the price tag on the TRX😉 What a time we're living in with all these great ass trucks though
I tow so AT4 HD is my sweet spot :)
LT is a big down grade for amenities. ZR2 is a LTZ/ High county for only 2k more. Amenities that are missing on the LT. Power passenger seats, power folding mirrors, power steering column, wireless charging, mirror lights, cooling seats, etc.
Well with the diesel, you want have to worry about the lifters failing. Con is the even higher price of diesel right now.
Will the Silverado ZR2 ever get the LZO?
Has it now :-)
They dosn't offer the max towing option with the 2” lift
I have a 19 LT with the 2.7 and so far it’s been a pretty decent truck the one thing I dislike is the eight speed transmission it shifts too slow and sometimes very harsh the engine on the other hand has plenty of power for passing as well as towing and the fuel economy on the highway is pretty good I would’ve like to go with the 3 L Duramax but the emission systems and DEF fluid can really get expensive once your warranty runs out
Full size with a 4cylinder huh? You’re special
Well 52k on it and have 23.4 lifetime average mpg so works fine for me, oh and it’s paid for…
Get back to me after you move out of your moms basement and get a job…..
I wonder if Chevy / GMC will make a truck that would compete with the TRX or Raptor R? The current line up doesn't even compare.
Before the microchip shortage Ford was actually discounting the Raptor as the could produce more than the market demanded. Now there’s the TRX adding a vehicle to a niche that was possibly oversubscribed already. A 3rd player would be nice for choice, but not a good choice for profitability and sales volumes. I believe that’s why they didn’t go all out. I respect the decision as I’m not such a fan of the product as others are. I’m not exactly brand loyal but I have been driving Ford over the others due to price for content, and now that content includes Pro Power onboard, which I truly use!! A lot. Otherwise, the amount of Chevy truck you can get for the $$$ makes the decision a no brainer. In fact I run with a stubby truck camper, but could just as easily convert a topper carrying truck into what I need and be happy. That is less than the camper and the truck is less, so much so that I can build my own system that’s solar based to power things. 3 flexible solar panels @ 175 watts each (525 watts total) a 400 ah LiFePO4 battery, charge controller and 2500 watt inverter (you could go 3000 watts even). Don’t even need to use the truck’s system to charge up! (I would hook it up to the charging system of the truck though).
Vs what I have paid you will still be a few thousand ahead of the game. I already had the camper and bought a F150 Tremor with the Torsen front differential before the ZR2 was available. I’m gonna stick with it for a few years at least. The F150 Tremor as equipped does 95% of what the ZR2 dies in the rocks and actually will outperform it in the snow and mud (you can still steer vs lockers that make steering difficult) so it’s a +- thing. It exceeds my needs and if you need the extra 5% on the rocks, the ZR2 is available. The ZR2 is expensive though. My Tremor is finished to the XLT level, but with most if not all, options available at that level and was thousands less than a ZR2 that the dealer quoted me on for price if I were to order one.
Anyways, to each their own. I have gone way off topic,,,,,, 😂😂
Please stay safe out there, Eh!
@@shitloveaduck great info and it makes sense. I know guys with Raptor trucks and I've driven them. They are very capable offload but I cannot stand that Ecoboost engine. They should have stuck a Coyote 5.0 in that truck. I would have bought one if they did.
@@jasonpitts8395 - Thanks. I have had the original Raptor, a 2012 SuperCab with the 6.2. I bought it after I already had a 2019 Raptor SuperCab with the 450 hp EcoBoost. I had similar thoughts, but then the 6.2 was underpowered in comparison (it really wasn’t, but it’s hard to go down). I supercharged the 6.2, and then it has the power, but I guess I was used to the EcoBoost by then and actually preferred it. The torques is so way down low in the revs. The 6.2 and especially 5.0 have their torque happening much higher in the rev band. I don’t discredit the 5.0 as a motor, but it would definitely feel underpowered to the HO 3.5 EcoBoost. You would need to supercharge it, but even then the 3.5 HO can outperform many of the supercharged model 5.0s because of the launch. Maybe not in the 1/4 mile, but at legal speeds it has 70% of the torque at 1300 Rpm and that full 510 lift of torque at 3,000 rpm. The 5.0 peaks well over 4,000 rpm and i takes longer to get to the 70% even. There’s a drone to the 3.5 when you are off-road that many don’t like, I understand, but as far as actual performance, it really does outperform the 5.0 significantly.
I am a retired Rancher/LEO (did both at the same time 4 as LEO then 4 days as rancher and so on) had a tire shop too, but a good manager so it was mostly hands off for me. The Ranch was 8800 acres with a 25000 head feedlot as well. I needed a good number of employees and trucks. I ran Fords from 98 on due to reliability, but more so price. Every time I put a truck bid out to the dealers, Ford came back with the best bang for the buck. I had all 5.0 trucks in my 1/2 tons after it came out for 2011. Then my buddy that owned the dealership slipped 2 trucks with the 2.7 equipped the same as the 2 trucks with the 5.0 I had just received. I ordered 4 but all 5.0. He had the other 2 on the lot if I really hated the 2.7s. Once the guys figured out the differences, they argued about so gets the 2.7 OVER the 5.0. The 2.7 was much torquier than the 5.0 and since the trucks rarely saw over 50 mph, the 5.0 didn’t get a chance to shine. My personal truck was a 5.0 work tuck and I loved it. After about 6 months I brought my main crew of 6 guys (I employed over 20 people there but many were transient, goes with the industry). I asked them about the 2 trucks and their preferences. They all loved the 5.0 for a personal truck, but 5 out of 6 preferred the 2.7 in the work truck. The torque was the thing. The trucks always had 300-500 lbs of tools and gear in them, were hauling hay, straw, fence posts, whatever, and often a trailer was needed for greater capacity. They were doing this on 2 track and worse. The 2.7 shone at these speeds. They preferred the 5.0 when towing at highway speeds. The fuel was a big thing for the business. Even though the 2.7s were the first chosen, they were about 10% better in fuel consumption. Month after month for the last 4 months prior. The first 2 months the guys were getting used to them. It floored me!!! I had not really driven the 2.7s. I had my Raptor by then (kind of a retirement gift to myself) and loved it, but off-road there seemed to be a bit of hesitation for the turbos to spool up, but it was ever so slight. In 4x4 low it really wasn’t an issue.
I think it takes getting used to, but overall it’s a better performing engine. The getting used to part is where guys that truly drive both motors form their opinion. It’s either instant or some accept the difference and give the EcoBoost a try. I determined the 3.5s differences were far outweighed by the benefits. Now I will get one more 5.0 truck. It’s going to be a Lariat 2wd 5.0 and I will go with the Roush Supercharger and performance equipment. I will also lower it, throw on a colour matching topper finished in the box as well and it will be a toy. Hopefully there’s an interior update before they cancel the 5.0. I’m not a huge fan of the Ford interior now that the competition has upped their game.
Sorry, another long comment. I loved the 5.0 since day one, but the EcoBoost, especially the 3.5, has grown on me and is definitely the better performer. Wonder if the 5.8 rumours are true. The factory is here in Canada and they signed on to produce the Ford V8s for the next 10 years, so,,,,,.
A Diesel is a Diesel .... No comparison , big fat vehicles always should be with a Diesel Engine
You probably have a comment already about the blurry thumbnails on your videos lately. But they are blurry
I tried buying the ZR2, but they tried to sneak a 10 market adjustment. ZR2 is definitely not worth 80k! I'm stuck waiting for the Toyota TRD PRO!
Why do listings for the trail boss say 16/18 city/hwy but actual reviews tout 24mpg or better ?
This was a great video
Honestly i prefer the 2021 front grill. If only they that that new interior.
Ranchos on the TrailBoss suck! Can’t wait to replace mine with some Bilsteins.
Diesel Chevy gives 30 MPG on the highway? was that right? vs 17 MPO with the ZR2.. Interesting. I was making a move on the ZR2 (waiting to see the Bison trim). But this changed my view.. Thanks!
Ah the memories of owning a black truck. Water spots and swirls, no thanks.
Spray wax has come along way now. All you do is spray before drying and you got a perfectly waxed shiny sexy black truck👍
I've gone from black to dark grey and now to white
Glad to see the Trailboss with a diesel.
Should’ve used this in your Fuel comparable video…..Full size get in 30 !!! WOW
I didn't like GM trucks for awhile because they looked ugly to me but now the refresh looks a whole lot better then did years back. But dang new trucks are way too exspensive now, like buying a house in some places, so won't be able to get one if ever. Anyways the new GM trucks don't look to bad and won't mind having one if I could afford one.
Do I buy a diesel truck with the price of fuel being so high? Is the economy going to crash should I wait for trucks to become cheaper or should I bite the bullet and buy one now before inflation hikes up another few percents?
Both of them Chevy trucks are both nice trucks
Both are great looking trucks but, I think I would get the diesel Trail Boss also. Thanks the review.
Can you put the Silverado ZR2 grill on the Trail Boss?
Love the trailboss
The owner of the business i work for has the 3.0 Duramax in a Denali. He has had endless problems. Every month or so the check engine light is back on for something new. As a ram guy I thought it would still be a decent engine. After watching him with his experience i just dont think i could trust it
Id rather dump $6500 in an OBS Chevy than 65k on a new one Id be afraid to use as a truck. But then again I’m not someone to buy a new truck because the previous body style has been around a few years.