Building a Transmission Line SPEAKER - by SoundBlab
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- There is always a first for everything, and this is my first transmission line (TL) speaker build. I have heard people say that it is very difficult and time consuming to design a successful speaker of this kind, but it can produce far better quality sounding lower frequency response (bass) and a more spacious soundstage.
After initial listening tests, I can attest to the claim of better quality bass performance and a spacious soundstage. These point source full range drivers are truly very well designed. The speakers disappear and you and you are left only with the music. For my 1st TL, this came out better than expected, and honestly, I find myself listening to these speakers more and more. Even with a moderate bass response, the sound is full enough not to fire up the subwoofer to fill in the low end. A very balanced, detailed and well rounded sound indeed!
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As a car audio enthusiast that has built transmission lines and a carpenter, I said hell yeah so many times during this video I can't even recall. Excellent build, beautiful work by the way... Remember the speed of sound that's all you need to know LOL
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Nice job. I used to build transmission line loudspeakers myself but I used a design that as copyright free.
It was based on a paper written in Wireless World in 1969 and used a triangulated path rather than parallel panels with tend to produce more resonance.
I also mounted the crossover on a pice of PCB and fastened it to the cabinet.
Jeremy i also have one exactly like yours using Audax speaker during the 90s. Still using it paired with Yamaha 3020 AV. it still sound great.
Gracias again SoundLab...beautiful way of teaching and sharing...I really do hope you receive the blessings back in the way you need them most. Gracias desde Colombia
I love the music in this video. Reminds me almost of 90's computer adventure games.
Awesome build! I love transmission lines, they just seem to sound so good to me
TML speaker builds are one of the most exciting diy builds.
i have made a lot with TB speakers..these companies speakers offers a very interesting price quality but need a little little crossover build even in TML setup to sound well...like a Noch filter.
Congratulations on the nice build! My first TL was a 10" for a 3-way that I designed. I found the bass quality and speed of dynamics to be unmatched by anything I have heard previously. I'm fairly particular, but when it's right, there is something to the quality of bass that is unlike a closed or regular ported box. Every note sounds even with a walking bass line, and kick drum transients seem instantaneous.
Cool, thanks!
....what a wonderful and neat work, it's a musical instrument. Listening to the report in the video I imagine that listening to them should be an impressive and unique experience...
Thanks. Jip, I like them!
I've been designing and building Transmission Line boxes for subwoofers, and I must say, they make the absolute most bang for your buck when you can make cheap 10s on low wattage sound like high-powered 15s. I've always wondered about running mids/highs t-lines through their own t-line setup. You did a great job on this.
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your workshop looks like a dream come true
Thanks. It took many years to gather the tools that I have and fortunate enough to have acquired the studio space in which I can work and live. I wish though that I had more time to organise everything better. But all with time I suppose!
Amazing. Never knew how much work goes into this.
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Musics recorded in the "past" do not in average have such a high dynamic range that during replay, we need speaker systems that capable of re-producing Lower Freq. more distinct.
I believe Transmission Line is the answer. Long time wanting to build one but still have no chance to make it. Thanks for this good video.
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When bonding 2 flat surfaces together, one should always clamp or fasten from the middle outwards to avoid trapping air and creating voids that can lead to delamination.
Good tip!
Or use a good contact adhesive that has a slow set time and iron out all air pockets...
I am also very interested in the TL designs along with back loaded horn. Experiment and then some...which is really part of the fun of it all.
Looks like a rebirth of what was called a base reflex design in the 1960’s. Only then the box and speaker were much bigger.
The transmission line speaker was actually developed back in the early 30's if I remember right.
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I have no recollection from 1030’s - I was not around. But if I can guess right, all those developments were evolving from the same idea appearing already on Edison’s phonograph. That means a horn. The difference being that the horn (straight and later folded for travel use) was on the forward side of the sound transducer. My mother’s childhood home had an old radio with a horn speaker (instead of the earlier ear pieces). That was from early or middle 1920’s. In my own childhood home, we had a His Master’s Voice record player that contained a majestic big horn. Later on, I saw some people demonstrating travel versions that utilized a folded horn to make the whole unit more compact.
But the Bass Reflex idea I saw in some magazines in the 1960’s. That was the time when I built my own stereo speaker boxes, totally closed and inside padded with mineral wool, because the reflex structure was too complex for me (I had essentially no wood working tools). Moreover, I then found speakers that were optimized for use with the closed enclosures. They were weak in the first octave (I think Stravinsky’s music was used as a proof material), but were - and are still - good from 40 Hz up. Which should explain why I still don’t have my own Bass Reflex speakers. Actually, I don’t know what is inside the Radio Shack speaker boxes that I have also had since about 1980.
I built folded transmission line 20 years ago. In my design, the cross section of pipe tapers providing a lower Q and flatter response at low frequencies.
It is interesting to play around with tapered vs straight line pipes. A lot of experimentation is normally needed to get a T-line to perform correctly.
Very nice speakers and congrats on the RWC win!
Thank you! Yes, the team played well and we are all very proud of them!
A superb job, workmanship counts! some good sounding synth music along the way, thanks!
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Congratulations, and thank you, for actually constructing the enclosures where others might have just 3d-bloody-printed them.
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@Spirit Oh you poor little boy. You can't make basic things, can you? How sad that you have to print the simplest things instead of just making them.
Awesome looking speakers. Reminds me of my dad's floor standing NAD's he built when he was younger, they have the same kind of reflex. Great job bro
Thanks man!
Dear Robin I apologize for hurting , these idiots never mention the dimensions they want to to touch the soft corner of our heart. Without proper tuning you will get only noise , believe me I am the industry for past 3 decades
@@yerrakrishnarao8041 transmission lines are difficult to make, and giving dimensions can only help someone so far. As it stands though the dimensions and plans ARE included in the description of the video.
your dad might want to see a dr for that :D
very good job. it was beautiful
Thank you! Cheers!
i cant believe how good these sound. ill have to build a pair.
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I’m sure there is a master woodworking engineer on here that’s going to disagree with me, but you did a beautiful job on the veneer.
Thanks. I think the footage might be misleading just a bit. There are a few imperfections and I actually struggled with this veneer job. I have done much better jobs of it in the past. It can be tricky if you do not clamp down on the entire surface.
This is good idea for sharing to each other that plays in youtube so that other know how to build good speaker thanks for making this kind of video
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Goeie werk! Baie netjies. Talk about irony... a South African living in New Zealand, watching a video of a South African building speakers in South Africa and only realizing it at the end of the video when you started talking. Well done! Ek wonder nou al baie lank hoe sal n full range speaker aleen in n goeie boks klink. Ek hou nogals van Eminance se speakers.
Dankie!
Class workmanship. Reminds me of my youth when I admired the Transmission line speaker design and always hoped I could build one or buy one. The TLS80. From IMF
My dream
I think they used KEF drivers
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Nice project. One suggestion though. Instead of using wood glue to attach the veneers use a solvent based contact cement. Not the green water based crap but the clear solvent based stuff. (Weldon red can, not the green can) That stuff grabs and doesn't let go. It gives perfect 100% adhesion and doesn't require any clamping and you can work the piece right away. No waiting for the glue to dry. Plus some veneers can swell up and form ripples in the veneer when you use water based glues like PVA's.
Thanks. I've tried that before and I still prefer the wood glue. However, I have also used a polyurethane wood glue before for some veneers that are more difficult and cause ripples. The wood glue IMO just provides a much nicer solid feel, almost as if the veneer becomes part of whatever you glue it to.
Came for the speaker instructions, stayed for the sped-up gameboy advanced music.
Comme toujours vous faites de très belles enceintes acoustique et excellente qualité
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Craftsmanship at its finest
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Hi I would recommend not glueing the resistors on to the Capacitors and Coils because the resistors can get very hot and can influence the capacity and inductance.
Nevertheless your builds are nice👍
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I never knew you needed a crossover for a full range speaker.
Nice build from 👍 Texas
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Excellent work
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Nice build.
Thank you
Very handsome enclosures.
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Yeah... this is a new type of enclosure to me! I must say that I have no idea how in might sound, since I have never seen these Transmission Line Systems in action.
Thanks for the video! A study is needed [ for me, of course :) ]! As usual, an incredible demonstration of building enclosures!
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Look up cyburgs needle TL speakers. Small speakers, cheap and way more sound than you will expect
Regarding speakers, there was a write up on it in 1965, the actual execution way before that. The full understanding (as in physics and mathematics), acoustic waveguides which what this is, should have gone back a hundred or more years.
Very good job 🎉👍
Thank you 👍
Music bring's me back 35 year's to old tv's cartoon's lol
это как телевизор слушать)))
T-LINES are my favorite enclosures. When designed and executed correctly they can perform well beyond expectations.
Tuning can be a pain(stuffing) but after u get a hang on what type to use/combination, how much and most important where in the enclosure u can get some amazing response curves.
My first one I ever did before I knew how to design them was copying PMC designs from UA-cam videos lol :)
Awesome vid.
That driver is a little gem.
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You might want to copy PWK instead of PMC ua-cam.com/video/k_Bp8dOsZE8/v-deo.html
1994 we built 8 pair of Transmission Line loudspeakers....thanks to J G. Great speakers....
If someone doesn't like your speakers you can simply say, "diplomatic immunity"
😂 "..it's just been revoked.."
Nice work. But I would have the port exit either on the bottom or on the back side of the cabnet. Not on the top where it is visible and such a dust collector !!!!!!
Other than that, very well put together and an excellent job. !!!
Bro u always put love and sweat in building a lot of respect and love from lahore pakistan
Thank you!
And just when you wanted to hear them ....silence!
And just as I was hoping you would also watch some of my other videos ...you didn't. Here is the clip to the sound demo... ua-cam.com/video/Ivk_FkIExiY/v-deo.html
I would use black screws and paint the all thing white, but this project is a must try. Just what I was looking for. Thanks
I like it!
Those are really really nice 👍🏼
Thank you! Cheers!
So awesome absolutely great 👏👏👏👏👏
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Beautiful work. I hope they sound as good as they look 👍
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Brilliant work.
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Might I suggest using E6000 adhesive instead of hot melt glue for gluing the crossover components? It adheres better, and the slight flexibility of the glue will keep it all together much better. Works great for large heavy inductors, too.
even better yet, buy a pack of the plastic wire ties with the screw mount built in. Put one around each end of the components and screw them to a board through the wire tie. I also use hot glue underneath the component when I do this, but more for the sake of vibration. Make sure you don't mount through the middle of the air core inductors, as the screw will change its value.
Nice to see a new video from you Hanri.
A pair of transmission line speakers are on my to do list.
I think I am going to make a pair of frugal horns as my design skills don’t quite match yours.
Hi Richard, thanks man!
Fyi: the base should be filled with sand or cat litter, to prevent standing waves / resonance etc.
That probably would have been better. However, the base is not open to the rest of the enclosure, so no standing waves can get to it. The concern is more to do with the metal ringing and influencing the sound. But this driver has fairly low output and limited bass response, so from my experience in listening to it, it will make a marginal difference.
Satisfying... Nice build.
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Really good!
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Danke! Sehr informativ dargestellt. Interessant wären wie Materialien wie Marmorgehäuse oder Stahlgehäuse, Aluminiumgehäuse, sieht bestimmt Eddl Space futuristisch aus, Interessant wie Plexiglas sich im Klang verhält, das aussehen kann nur ein sehr Edles sein!
Grüße aus Nord Germany✌
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Great job. Greatings from Mexico. North America
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I really love your work sir 🙂
Thank you so much 😀
Ciao mi permetto di darti un paio di consigli: alla base della cassa acustica crea un piccolo doppio fondo dove mettere il crossover ed i cavi devono essere aderenti al pannello perché le pressioni interne sono enormi e le vibrazioni vanno a sporcare il suono. Ho visto la doppia tavola sul frontale, molto bene.
Da quel progetto ridimensiona un po ed adotta un 2 vie, tweerter e woofer da 16 cm, crea una camera di compressione dove alloggiare il tweeter Il condotto deve stare isolato da tutti i componenti a parte il woofer. Complimenti bel lavoro. La mia prima linea di trasmissione la ho progettata e costruita 25 anni fa con risultati incredibili. Confronto fatto con gli stessi componenti montati anche su una reflex.
Thanks, I appreciate the tips and think they are good ideas.
You do REALLY good work!!
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Awesome work i should rate you . salute you , what a lovely job
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Super pěkná práce.Klobouk dolů.
Wow,those speakers sound fantastic!
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@@SoundBlab And where is it in video how they play?? Or is this just a sarcasm.
Thats a really nice build. I built the JB Lord transmission line sub woofer with 12 foot folded pipe..Hi-Fi News
Beautiful
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Always buy clamps. Buy more than you ever think you'll need.
You can never have enough clamps!
I have about 50 still looking for more. Sometimes pocket holes and a brad nail gun save the day.
@@kimchee94112 you can make cheap and long clamp with 1m threaded rod
@@stoklasajiri2426 I have pipe clamps as well.
EPI design from the 70's used JBL 4" full drivers from 901 series, the 4" drivers where made at the Jensan plant in Punxsutawney PA. I sold a ton load at my stereo shop 1971-1977 $100 bucks a pair.
EPI used originally Rola drivers. The EPIs were totally open inside with very erratic frequency response. They bragged about the 'organ piping' which was a part of the problem. They were good for really low powered systems though. They had at least 2 drivers. They were a very different design.
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love to watch someone do fine work
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Do you have a link to the adjustable bladed hole cutting tool you're using on your drill press?
I want to call it a hole saw but it's more like a hole "knife".....lol!
Thank you and I love your channel!!!!
I know this is an older video but wow....just wow! I'm really into car audio fabrication so I'm loving the idea of using less speakers in the car like you're doing in your cabinets. More of a full range or wide band approach.
Once again. thank you!
Thanks man! Try this link to a few options: www.amazon.com/s?k=Adjustable+Circle+Cutter&ref=nb_sb_noss
GOOD JOB! FANTASTIC! I WAITING TO TEST!
Thanks. yes, aiming for next week.
WAITING IMPATIENT!
В алюминиевые опоры я бы посоветовал засыпать кварцевый песок )))
Use an x-acto knife to trim the wood like cover or a down cut router bit. You can also leave it a bit bigger and trim it with a sandpaper.
So you built them, but why? what materials did you choose and why did you choose them? The building is the weakest part of the process when it comes to understanding speakers. How beaky was the the finished product?
look very nice nice job
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jesus.. you got a garage for all those clamps???
Dude! If he had 100- clamps it would not be enough!!
@@cavebeastdemon3631 agreed, you can never have too many clamps, as I find out the hard way all the time.
Every time I go to Harbor Freight to get something I buy at least two clamps because you can never have to many.
A twenty clamps later.
Looks nice but can't help but think the port exit area is larger than the speakers cone area. Some 45s in the corners would go abit further than a box full of wool.
Oh my god. so nice and seem sound very very good.
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, very nice job
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Perfekt 👌 it’s great 👍 from Germany 🇩🇪 Kai
Did you measure the frequency response on these? Published is 70 Hz to 20 KHz. I built 2 pair from a damaged PMC AB2 I purchased as salvage and disassembled it. It showed me exactly the proper measurements and damping.
You did a fine job sir.
I think I did, but don't have it on file. Thanks.
incredible as usual.
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Not sure why you couldn't let us hear them right here. I'm impressed you built your own xovers but not sure why you need on a single driver.
Sound demo in the next video after this one. It's not really a crossover, but rather a flattening circuit to correct the frequency response.
Very nice! However, id figure the port would sound much better if it were pointing downward? Ive always gotten better resonance from having subs or ports closer to the ground. Also, wish you would’ve shown them playing
I feel like there really ought to be a retaining ring around and a support grid under the mesh at the top of the speakers.
Definitely South African!!! Howzit Boet!!!
Howzit!
Well done, great clean job.
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Awesome build as always :)
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i think black screws would look better (maybe allen key heads)
and you could fill the square pipe with sand
btw. great job!
Thanks man! I considered a few options for screws, but ended up using what I had on hand and thought would look best. I would also prefer black though.
Very nice. But you forgot to fill the stand tubes with a sand or lead shots. It's still could be done if you make a thru hole with a plug at the bottom the base.
Thanks. It did think of it and then decided against it for no good reason really. I am sure it will add somewhat to the weight, but I probably thought it was not worth it.
@@SoundBlab Yes it will add weight to the bottom and will make the towers way more stable but it would also eliminate any possible ringing of that bottom tube.
good job.the last song pls😎
These speakers are fuckin marvelous
Nice build. for transmission iine speakers you need to fill the line with wool or fiberglass. this slows the waves down effectively making the line of an infinite length. that's the theory anyway.
Everybody saying well, good job and thing like these, you shoud say, how do you calculate the tl lenght and volume, what is the increasing of emitted spectrum with tl Vs an enclosed box....
If jou are just judging as a woodworking it is well made, but it has to sound good, not looking good
Thanks Alex, the next video on my channel after this one is the sound demo. Doing all of that in one video is complicated and will make for a very long video which is not what I am focussed on right now. But I could do that somewhere in the future. Thanks for the feedback.
@@SoundBlab thank you too for the aswer, i made several boxes and while is relatively simple doing one good box for a full range speaker, it is very difficult to find the right resonance frequency to actually enhance the speaker performance. If you tune your Port/box at 50hz and the speaker has 60/20khz, i think you can widen the frequency respinse, but If you tune it at 30hz, for sure it won't work, just work as a vented box, with the result of a bigger box in terms of sound (lower pneumatic elasticity).
So, how did you calculate those ports related to the box dimensioni and the speaker carachtersistics?
The final result is good when it matches your design aim.
It will be intresting to know what were your aim and what is the result..
For this design, I used a typical TL model provided here: www.mh-audio.nl/Calculators/TML.html
And then experimented a bit with how the stuffing in the TL will influence the frequency response. Ultimately I felt I ended up with a result that was very much pleasing to my ear and gained more knowledge on this type of enclosure and how they work.
a unique designed, your good
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Quality build!
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You have to rebuild the crossover ! Study a bit about magnetic fields and freq's...the coil must be assembled in a specific position away from the resistors (are coils also)
In some cases I think this can make a difference, however I did not notice any deviations from my modelled FQ response in this case.
Good looking floor stander. But isn't this a full range driver? Why the crossover?
Great build...love the double layer baffle. Please explain the electronic components. I don't understand why these would be used on a full range driver.
My guess is it is some sort of power reducer? These speakers have a low power rating so if hooked up to a regular stereo it may be too much? Just my guess.
Thanks. Full range drivers will not measure a flat frequency response once mounted on a speaker baffle and put into an enclosure, even if it has a flat response as measured on a large infinite baffle as specified by IEC standards. For this reason I needed to compensate for the higher midrange that I measured in this enclosure with a compensation network to get the FQ response as flat as possible.
These remind me of the style of the excellent speakers by Tony Gee.
I'm baffled that you left those tubular standoffs empty. Why didn't you fill them with sand or something to deaden any resonance that could emanate from them. Other than that I really enjoyed your vid. Some premium woodworking there.
Thanks. It was one of those moments where you pause for a moment and ask yourself, should I fill these with sand, and then move on with the process, glueing up and then realising that it is too late!