How to use Dante with Vmix
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- Опубліковано 7 жов 2024
- In this video we look out how to Get audio in and out of Vmix to a Dante audio network.
Next video will go into a bit more detail on the routing within vmix for caller audio returns,and how You can get 8 separate mix minus dante mixes to 8 different callers on the same vmix machine :)
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Please do another one about the external encoding. Would love to bring this concept full circle. Cheers!
Thank you, that is a great workflow !
Hi! I would like to see a video of how you setup your X32. Best of regards / Markus
Jon, excellent explanation ! Great videos thanks for doing these tutorials.
Really well presented and a great detailed walk through. Excellent. Thank you
Glad you enjoyed it!
Just found your video. Great job! I would like for you to expand on latency.
Great stuff, thanks!
This is an excellent walk through and thank you for taking the time to make it. How often are you looking to upload videos?
Thanks, quite regularly. This week every day, then a couple per week. The more questions I get asked the more content :)
@@Streamingtech That's great news! I think I coudl fire a million questions at you! One thing I would really be interested in is your network for Danta and NDI, why you use the switches you do and what changes have you made to them for optimum performance. To me, in a digital workflow, the network is like the foundations of a house and it's so important to get it right but I keep reading conflicting views on which approach is best.
@@Streamingtech Also, how you get on with Windows 10 in a production enviroment and if you have any processes or techniques to make them more reliable? For example, pausing updates or turning off features etc
I extensely use Dante as my main go to protocol to route everything in my direction, but I've notice this strange fact: everything I route from the mixer to vMix ( using DVS in ASIO on the vmix workstation ) is resulting to have a lower volume than what it should be. I mean if I route anything in Dante in the LAN ( for example a pc to vmix, or a send bus from the sq-5 to a pc holding a zoom call ) the audio is quite high volume I always have to go -12 to -6 db everytime, but as far as I send an aux or an output from the sq-5 mixer to vmix in Dante I've to crank up the volume on the bus or the output to +15 db and I don't recieve the same db audio level if I compare to any other device in the Dante Network I'm using. It seems to output a really low volume Dante signal from the console to any other devices in the Dante Net using DVS... Any Idea ? I mean vmix had full meter scale fader while my mixer had of course analogue stile meters, so if I'm at 0db on the consolle I should expect -18db I think, but if I use an AVIO USB compared to the DVS i don't have this problem, the signal comes into vmix at really high volume...
[ ps. I've got lvl.3 certification on Dante; but I can't seriously get what might the problem be at this point! ]
Hi Jon! Excellent walk-thru!! I have a question regarding the return path out of the X32 and back to vMix using Buses E-G. You have eight callers and their paths out of vMix were: Caller 1 (A,L), Caller 2 (A,R) ... Caller 8 (D,R). On the return path for the Mix- you used only Bus E (Host, Caller 1), Bus F (Caller 2) and Bus G (Caller3). However, would you configure Buses E-G exactly like you did A-D? For example, Host-Caller 1 (E,L), Caller 2 (E,R), Caller 3 (F, L) ... Caller 8 (G,R)? Is my reasoning/logic correct if I have eight callers for a vMix show?
Hi. Glad it was helpful. Alas you can't do this on the returns as the buses sent back to the caller's cannot be split left/right, they get both sides of a bus :( for 8 caller's I would route all 8 out as described, and use two busses for returns. Assuming you have a host, Buss E to the host, which would I include all other caller's - the host of course and any other audio you want to send them. For me it would be a TalkBack (IFB) mic so I can talk to them as well. The other 7 caller's would receive bus F which you route all 8 caller's to internally in vmix. Vmix will sort the mix minus. I would then add an IFB mic to that mix as well (via Dante for me) so I can talk to all the others if I wanted. You then can mix the on air audio with your Dante mixer to get a better quality sound, but the caller's 2-8 are getting direct audio within vmix. If you wish you could do the same for your host, on their buss and bypass the Dante return all together. Hope that makes sense. It's a shame that you can't split a bus l/R to two caller's though :(
Jon with your contribution laptops why not run DVS in WDM mode so that it appears as an audio device in zoom? That would save the hardware solution of the Avio converter.
Yes, absolutely you can do this, and works well. What I like about the Avio adapters is once configured, I can just plug them into any system I want. If a laptop goes down, I can just plug it into a backup :) Also if your not running Dante Via, and no other hardware, they are the cheapest Dante Clocking device. However, where cost is an issue or you already have it installed, then yes DVS works great.
@@Streamingtech The Avio USB device is a great piece of kit especially if you need to get audio out of someone else's computer, but for me putting DVS into WDM mode is the best solution for your own computers. Jon, Nice to see you back on - used to watch your old Broadcast Now program with KitPlus (actually think it was before KitPlus?). I really like Vmix but I don't like computers as my main bit of kit. So I'm building out my system for doing this with my ATEM Constellation using MADI out through an RME Digiface Dante to an SQ6 and back again. In some ways the Vmix way is easier but I like Hardware solutions. :-)
Hey Cool. The constellation is an amazing VMixer for thr Monday, and what your doing with it sounds great. I'm with you in that I love to have a hardware platform where possible. I will say vMix is amazingly robust, and I have Never had it crash on me in all the years I have used it. However as you say hardware as thr backbone is best. SQ range is awesome, I have an SQ5 and SQ7 and about to pull the trigger on an advantis :)
@@Streamingtech I'd be interested in your thoughts on the Avantis. I did consider it, but for my use application I couldn't see the extra value considering the SQ6 was the same price as the Avantis Dante Card. I liked it because you could have two cards... MADI and Dante in the system at once. However the RME Digiface Dante carrys out the conversion between MADI and Dante very competently. The whole system was literally 25% the cost of doing the same with Avantis....?But it does look nice :-) what do you see as the benefits over your SQ7?
I'm a live sound engineer as well. So although I love the SQ range the advantis just gives me more options, especially in bussing and channel count over the SQ. Its kind of SQ/Dlive hybrid. For most applications outside of large live work the SQ rocks though and would always recommend. I pair mine with a Waves card and soundgrid server, and that is bloody amazing. :)
Hi Jon. Loving your videos. I've always been strictly hardware based, but vmix is looking so much easier. Couple of bits, DVS is fine with all windows applications in WDM mode (although it does always deliver all 16ch), but this would negate the expense of the AVIO adapters. It would however mean you couldn't throw in any laptop quickly if you needed to, is this one of your considerations? Also if you are running vmix calls on the independent machine, is there any reason you didn't let it do its own mix-minus and only feed in the extras like VT and yourself? I am inspired by your setup and love the videos. Thanks!
Hey Swindon. Thanks for the comment, you are of course correct about DVS in WDM mode. Regarding vmix mix minuses. I do exactly as you say when sharing a single return feed amongst a set of callers :) let vmix deal with mix minus and add in the extras from dante. Think that is covered in my next video.
Forgot to say, I work a lot with hardware system, like Ross, grassvallet, and Blackmagic. Still love a good hardware vision mixer for cutting, however vmix is an amazing, and stable system, and for remote broadcast is the way to go :)
@@Streamingtech hey., thanks for the reply. Those were my thoughts entirely. Keep up the good work.. S.
Thanks for a refreshingly clear explanation. I, along with some other vMixers have experienced considerable latency when round tripping to an external mixer via Dante. Have you encountered audio latency issues with this workflow?
It can be an issue. But if you encode for the stream on another device, you dont need to go back into vmix, and you can sync everything. I still have to delay my audio coming out of vmix to Dante, before it is embed back into SDI for encoding the stream. Followup video tomorrow on more vmix routing and ways to get 8 dante mix minus returns for 8 callers.
@@Streamingtech Ah good! I was just about to ask how if you are using 4 buses for the 8 calls, how do you get 8 mix minus back to the callers with only 3 buses left!
I have problem with Dante when it’s output to a zoom session, the sound will become buzzing sound after awhile
Thanks for the great explanation of the entire workflow. Very clear and concise. These video will be valuable resources for broadcaster looking to spice up their tech setup.
Question about VMix callers. You have 8 callers and have them in your Dante system, but you are only returning 3 Dante channels back to VMix for talent return. With each person needing their own mix-minus, do you just route audio within Vmix for the other 4 or 5 callers since it automatically mix minuses their audio or is there another solution that you have come up with?
Thanks. Yes, so what I normally do is send let's say callers 2-8 to bus F internally in vmix, so they always hear each other. I then send a mix via dante of everything else to that bus.
Thanks, I was going to aske the same question! Guess I should accept there is no hope of finding a X32 core on eBay now and get a rack or a m32c.
Get the x32 rack. As its got analogue in and out on it, it also doubles as a analogue to dante converter. Video tomorrow on how You can get 8 separate mix minus dante mixes to 8 different callers on the same vmix machine :)
Video tomorrow on how You can get 8 separate mix minus dante mixes to 8 different callers on the same vmix machine :)
@@Streamingtech I guess you still obviously need a X32 dante card to do so? or can I do it via network with virtual sound card?
hi jon , thank you for this interesting video and these insights. one question: why is it not possible to use DVS on the laptops running zoom, teams, etc. for the audiostreams (in/out)? DVS is patchable in zoom, etc. in the audio settings. thanks for your detailed answer. best, andi
Andy you are correct. I forgot that audinate add wdm support for dvs a while ago. However its locked to that laptop, so the avio in my opinion is still the best way as you can easily move it from Machine to machine. Although of course its four time as expensive!
@@Streamingtech thanks. that's a good point! great!
I have a 10gbps network card in my main PC works great, something like 30 NDI Connections work perfectly. If I have the dante network plugged into it as well that network link acts like a 1gbps connection despite everything in the computer saying its still 10gbps. Only 8 NDI inputs and task manager feeds back that it stays around the 800-900mbps mark. Do you know or have any ideas about this kind of issue? Is anyone else in the comments having a similar issue? Otherwise please keep up the good work!
I love your Work! I Have bad experience with the Dante Virtual Soundcard. When booting my pc prior to the x32..i.e DVS does not appear as sound card on the pc...this is wahat Audinate Support wrote to me: “The Dante Virtual Soundcard does require a Dante hardware device to be on the network for it to clock from, i.e. DVS will not function correctly on its own without the x32”…..this generated problems with my employees who are not so deep into the config stuff. In a professional setup one can not keep track of the order in which devices are turned on
I just want people to be aware of this issue….
How do you deal with that?
The order of that things switched on is not an issue. All you need is one hardware device on the network to be the Dante clock. In your case the x32. Just make sure that is powered up. Dante has been used is professional environments for 10years, this is not an issue. You can power up you pc before your x32, it just won't link onto the Dante network until the x32 is up or a other Dante hardware device is powered on. Or you can use Dante via software instead of DVS which can act as a clock for the network without a hardware device. However if you have an x32 with Dante interface that should be your clock.
Hi, is that a Beyerdynamic headset you are using? Is it dynamic or condenser mic? Best regards,
Hi. It's actually a Audio Technica bphs1 headset. Realy comfortable when worn all day :) www.audio-technica.com/en-gb/bphs1
@Streamingtech - Could you please talk about your routing. I cannot seem to get the audio from the mix bus to the vMix input. Every caller input and VT input has audio and is working in the mixer. On my X-32, I have the user inputs on card, Inputs on card, and outputs both user and outputs on card. Where should they be routed? Also, the vMix audio outputs; Master Output I have selected as my local speaker in my monitor. I also had 15+16 and got no sound. I had to change that to 1+2 to get anything out. Does that mean I'm listening to the Dante channels 1+2? That's A left and right as I understand your video.
I'm almost there with my audio routing, but need a nudge apparently.
Thanks in advance.
I keep getting subtle clicks and pops on my vmix outputs when using dvs. Nothing is reporting as high latency in Dante controller. Can you confirm what vmix audio output settings have worked for you? 32bit float or pcm16?
Hi assuming you have latest version of vmix, it will be a driver issue on your pc, probibly with the network card. 32 or 16 is fine. I run at 16. Make sure your net card has all its power saving functions turned off. Also check you switch has not power saving functions on and change the network cable.
I'm having issues with audio artifacting that sounds like a clock issue whenever I roundtrip vMix calls to my X32 via Dante and then back to vMix. Have you ever run into this?
Hi. Worth checking things like power saving is turned off on your net card and hopefully your network switch also has no energy efficienct options as they cause issues with Dante. Also look at running latency monitor on the pc to see if there is anything causing latency issues on the system. www.resplendence.com/latencymon
@@Streamingtech I do not have an energy efficient switch but I haven't checked power saving on my network card. Fingers crossed that's the ticket.
What do you choose as the clock leader in Dante Controller? Also, have you experienced any issues in vMix 24 vs. 23?
Did this fix your problem? Having the same issues currently
what is VT Audio?
VIDEO Tape :) old school way of saying Video audio. E. G. Playing a video in vmix.
@@Streamingtech thank you!
Can I get your social handle ?
Oi amigos eu sou um dantes