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We grew oyster mushrooms for the first time...it was a mini farm kit. I'm going to try and grow more from the same kit after I clean it. It's all about experimenting....great lessons for us gardeners. Thanks for sharing!
Try starting your spores in a jar of rye grain and squeezing your substrate until you can barely get a few drops out of a handful. "Let's grow mushrooms" is a very good (and free) instructional series on UA-cam. If Roger Rabbit says it then you can bet it will work. Also, I would fully expect contamination with open air inoculation with spores due to the mold spores in the air that grow faster than the ones you are trying to start. Spores need to be germinated in a sterile environment. Spore prints need to be used in a Still Air Box or in front of a flow hood, Spore syringes can be used in open air if done right. Just always assume contamination is present, because it always is.
I'm new with mushrooms myself, it seems you have made some errors but still very cool experiments. The best way is trial and error so keep on shrooming brother.
Don't give up hope.. i'm sure your perseverance will pay off and you will with time get some tasty mushrooms. I'm going to have a go at growing some Wine Cap (Garden Giant) mushrooms outdoor on straw and woodchips in close proximity to my fruit trees, if successful their mycelium will also help my trees grow stronger and produce more. Good luck Gary.
I've been experimenting with growing mushrooms myself for the last year but have had little luck, although it seems like I may have gotten farther than you lol. Couple things: -Substrate as I'm sure you've heard a thousand times, should be like a wrung out sponge. Too wet and it'll just up and die on you, start to rot and smell like vomit. Too dry, obviously it just won't grow. There's quite a bit of wiggle room here though, and I find that you really can't go wrong with wrung out paper, cardboard, straw, or soaked wood. If you keep it in a container, there should be some precip on the sides. -Make sure your substrate is appropriate. For example, most of the oyster varieties available are primary decomposers (grows on wood), while king oyster is a secondary (grows on compost or manure) decomposer like portabellos (white button). Oysters in general aren't incredibly picky about the substrates though, I've personally had the best luck with newspaper in keeping a clean culture, while coffee grounds have been populated the quickest but are prone to being fouled by green mold. Keeping a clean culture has been my biggest issue. In the last year I've harvested precisely one mushroom haha. -Again, appropriate substrate, some are a little more sensitive than others. I tried growing chicken of the woods 2 years in a row before I realized conifericola means it only grows on conifers. -More spawn is always better than less. You can use whatever starter you're using on a smaller quantity of substrate, and when that is colonized, break it up and inoculate new substrate. Have you thought about trying plug spawn with logs and stumps?
That is really helpful. A wrung out sponge was actually not easy to find as a starting point. That is helpful and I found the cardboard is the easiest to regulate for moisture. The straw is hardest. I did learn the oyster like wood. Your explanation is helpful. I did learn the hens like soft wood pine and can take 3 years. My goal is oysters and white button. Thanks for taking the time to write. I will use all that info. I ordered plug spawn. It is for oysters. Do you think I have to use logs or could I drop the dowels in the substrates I am using?
Gary Pilarchik You could drop the dowels into the substrate, you could drop the dowels into a bucket with more dowels, they're not picky. However, I think the dowels were made for inoculating logs and stumps because you don't get a whole lot of surface area with dowels. If you do decide to go with inoculating logs, soak it for a night, drill the holes, and hammer the dowels in. After this, most people brush a little bee's wax over the dowels to keep pests out, and then throw some wet burlap over the whole thing to keep it damp. However, I know I'm not responsible enough to wet the burlap regularly, so I drop the whole thing in a plastic bag and skip the wax. This has been working alright with me but we'll see next year. I also keep another old stump under some wet leaves in the greenhouse and that one is doing alright too. So far, it seems like keeping a sterile culture is almost a non-issue with inoculated logs and I know most folks just keep them outdoors. Also this process is incredibly slow. Be prepared to wait a long time. Usually when I'm starting a new culture, I keep at least some of the spawn visible in the container so I can see if it's spreading. Oh almost forgot. Fungus gnats won't stop your mushrooms from growing, but you will get a pretty bad infestation because, well, it's just a big lump of food for them. My one success came out of a culture that was pretty heavily infested with fungus gnats.
Newton's Third Law Thanks. Very helpful. I will have to think about where I can set up logs outdoors and have a mushroom area. I will think of using them indoors too.
I read that cinnamon applied in potting soil is good against fungus gnats. I tried it once and didn't have any gnats at all, but I'd have to try it several times to claim that it actually works. Good luck with the mushrooms.
I am trying to grow mushrooms, not started yet, just getting everything started. I don't thing your Straw Substrate is composted enough. I will also be adding Bran, Urea and Chicken Manure to mine. Mushrooms like a high Nitrogen.
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i believe the reason some are harder to grow in a farm setting is because they need a natural symbiosis to a native plant to feed it.....plants give mushrooms sugar in exchange for water
I hope it works out for you. I raised an eyebrow about everything being sterile. I presume that is more for your scientific approach more than for the needs of the mushroom. I only mention it because I wondered if there is something that is missing that the mushroom needs that is not present because of everything being sterile. I have no clue myself, just sharing a thought that breezed through my cranium.
I am thinking the same thing as Nature has a lot of stuff floating around outdoors but indoors might lend itself to more molds without Nature to keep it in check.
Maitake is way too advanced for beginners start off with grey or pearl oysters, they are the easiest to grow and will consume contaminants as long as there isn't way to many. Also create a primary culture from something high in sugar such as corn, rice, rye, then add into secondary substrate; either straw, sawdust, cardboard or manure. After this it's up to you if you want to use a casing or not. other easy strains; shiitake, beech, elm, poplar, lions mane and buttons. also incubation for grey and pearl are 65 - 75, and fruiting can be as low as 45 to 65.
I know this experiment happened 7 years ago, but the 2 biggest problems I noticed was your substrate needs to be room temperature, and im assuming you were using tap water which may contain chlorine and or chloramine. Either the heat or the tap water killed your spawn. If your substrate is too wet, some of the mycelium will still grow, just not very well.
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good luck. I see hyphae growing in my woodchipped swales, when the conditions are right the spores will grow mycelia and mushrooms will be there. mushrooms take time. don't give up.
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Hey gary, are your containers air tight? For your button mushrooms drill two 1mm holes in the container lid. Also if the room gets to 90 degrees and the pots are sealed, you could end up with the growing medium becoming too hot as it will start composting and producing energy in the form of heat making it get well above 110 degrees! You want the growing compound itself not to get much above 90, not the ambient temperature of the room! Hope I helped you mate:-)
Yeah coffee filters work fine under the holes:-) also try a tray with manure and black plastic bin liner stretched over it;-)) again punch a couple holes. no need to use a filter on the bin liners too.
Mushrooms arent like plants at flowering stage, the cells divide in mycelium untill they pin up for fruiting. Eat the hen of the woods its good, but you needed cells from the chicken shroom, you needed stems cells for reproduction. Otherwise the cells only enlarge never reproducing... apparently its a fine art. So im planning the dowels go in my forest tree stumps this fall.
coffee ground try pasteurizing coffee grounds and using them. people get crazy about their mushroom growing and keeping stuff super staralized they get mean too when people post videos about growing stuff from cheap alternatives like just cutting up mushrooms and planting spores in containers, people confuse me lol.
I try and make the fewest moving parts when it comes to gardening. I figured I would start my approach on mushrooms the same way and add in degrees of sterilzation as needed.
yeah i see it the same way. some times the hard core enthusiasts get a little over board when it comes to how sterile it needs to be and what is acceptable to make it work
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+Gary Pilarchik (The Rusted Garden) A mix of vermiculite and bown rice flour should be a good substrate, you could also use a syringe with water mixed with the spores. Ryegrains should also be a good substrate. You can scatter them on to some sterilized dirt afterwards.
Shoulda started with Oysters Gary! AB is not an easy one to grow. Even the pros struggle. I have had success making spawn from Agaricus Bisporus (AB) Still have 2 jars left and used up two when you mentioned the experiment on your fb group. I started them with grocery store mushroom. It colonized the substrate now I'm waiting for it to fruit. But in all honesty you should grow Oysters first then move on to the harder grows like AB, Shiitake etc. Good Luck.
Oh oysters are in there and white buttons. They are the easy ones. The other one was more for an example. Thanks. Firs t goal is to see some mycelllium. I have good feeliing about this round.
I've never heard about growing mushrooms using the fruit body. I understand that you can have mycelium starting to develop from the spores, but what is the point of putting the flesh of the fruit body on the substrate? It contains neither spores nor mycelium. I've seen people succeed by putting pieces of the outmost end of the foot in the substrate (where some mycelium might be left from cutting of the mushroom).
May not be viable but several videos and places say you can get something growing. Often it is used for cloning exact mushroom. But as stated this is an experiment and it might be that it doesnt work. Next is wood dowels with mycellium on them. I just ordered 100.
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6:15 the colored part of the white mushroom has the spores i think. Also i think that the darker the mycelium part the better, the spores will be more mature. You need to find and cut a bigger mushroom or with darker mycelium? Be careful when you're searching/finding for mushrooms into woods, because i've heard that normal edible (white - yes white mushroom can grow in wilderness too) mushrooms which looks normal ,can be poisonous due to naturally cross-mutations with poisonous species but i'm not sure if its true or its just a false TV bad advertise (or news) so people to be forced to buy mushrooms from store...and not from mushroom collectors from woods, some kind of inverse advertise ,most people will believe it if it's on television..:)) Thats why i dont trust sometimes what they say on TV.
I'm beginning to learn this too. Do you think that the sealed containers are hindering your growth? From what I've been reading they need to breathe, Especially during fruiting. I rubberbanded squares of sheet that i soaked in alcohol and of the two containers for my first experiment - the one without liquid has started growing mycelium. the one with water in which we blended some mushrooms the coffee grounds compacted and there were no anthill like spaces. Good luck!
Aha. There's a LOT wrong, and if I've permission to explain (rather extensively): 1. What you're attempting to do is to SPAWN rather than inoculate a substrate-with SPORES, and THAT WILL NOT WORK. You inoculate SPAWN substrate with substrate that's colonized (germinated spores). 2. TOO MANY SUBSTRATES MIXED TOGETHER. How you managed to escape a mold-monster of environmentally dangerous proportions is beyond me, but bless you anyway. Understand that substrate is substrate, and no species naturally prefers any particular beside the one it CAN thrive on; so you can literally use hair if there's enough nutrient. Straw + Coir doesn't sound like a good substrate from the beginning since coir absorb MUCH more moisture than straw will hold (probably why its too wet). Manure + straw I think is what you want, but you want to SPAWN IN that not use it as a primary substrate. 3. DO NOT STERILIZE SPAWN- PASTEURIZE! Especially STRAW, which is NOT contam resistant enough NOT to invite every microbe in the world to colonize if it is sterilized. 4. PLASTIC we know today leeches horrible chemicals into water. I've learned the hard way that plastic containers like the ones you are using will not work, not only that, they are NOT lightproof, and should be lined with opaque material in order to germinate. As long as you have Oyster spawn it should be no trouble to get a pasteurized straw/poo substrate to colonize in a spawn-bag. Did you THOROUGHLY WASH YOUR STRAW ?
STERILIZATION: Intends to kill ALL microbes in a substrate. PASTEURIZATION: Removes ONLY harmful competitive mold while retaining beneficial bacteria. That's why milk is pasteurized and would spoil before it was packed if sterilized. The last most important thing is your work environment. Inoculating in a kitchen? NO. that's THE least microbe free place on earth (besides a bathroom, but since bathrooms are small are easier to work sterile in once cleaned). Get a heat resistant PE bag and mix wood pellet/straw and manure substrate. Tie the bag and PASTEURIZE (140-160º) for 1 hour. Use a closed box (glovebox) in clean room and drop some spawn pellets in that. Knead the bag and re-seal.
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Have you tried buying from online some syringe with mycelium and put that instead of buying mushrooms from the super market? I think that's the problem i'm trying this with shrooms from the store as well, but i don't think it's gonna work out and if not then i'm gonna try with some ready mycelium in a syringe from online for more accurate results.
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Sorry man but nothing on that table is technically sterile, especially your hands. You probably meant CLEAN or PASTEURIZED, but not sterile. Sterility is a process that requires a lot more.
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@@THERUSTEDGARDEN I bought a pot of champignons in a supermarket, they had already some small fruths. I were watching some videos and reading some stuff to figure out what to feed it. As I have had some 3 huge and really tasty ones, but already the pot have like 2 cm from the pot to the mycelium, so I wanna know what to fill the gap with or if I should repot it.
My advice is to do a lot of research online before you attempt another grow. First, you should be completely sterile wearing masks, gloves, anything you can to keep contamination from happening. I don't think you can just cut store bought mushrooms to use as innoculation you have to buy spores or syringes first. I don't know what your substrate was, but poo is spawn to help already established mycellium grow. I could explain the many reasons why you failed, but you need to do a lot of reading friend. Especially with fungus the last thing you want to do is grow something that's poisonous or will make you sick. I feel since you put raw fruit material with your hands you'll at the least grow some common green house mold. Good luck!
Merlin Russak I'm pretty sure , and so is yours , however it will get contaminated as soon it leaves you're body due to the fact that there are spores and other shit in the air .
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We grew oyster mushrooms for the first time...it was a mini farm kit. I'm going to try and grow more from the same kit after I clean it. It's all about experimenting....great lessons for us gardeners. Thanks for sharing!
Try starting your spores in a jar of rye grain and squeezing your substrate until you can barely get a few drops out of a handful. "Let's grow mushrooms" is a very good (and free) instructional series on UA-cam. If Roger Rabbit says it then you can bet it will work.
Also, I would fully expect contamination with open air inoculation with spores due to the mold spores in the air that grow faster than the ones you are trying to start. Spores need to be germinated in a sterile environment. Spore prints need to be used in a Still Air Box or in front of a flow hood, Spore syringes can be used in open air if done right. Just always assume contamination is present, because it always is.
I'm new with mushrooms myself, it seems you have made some errors but still very cool experiments. The best way is trial and error so keep on shrooming brother.
Only way to learn.
I once threw old mushrooms out on the grass an they grew on their own
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What type of mushrooms and where do u live?
Don't give up hope.. i'm sure your perseverance will pay off and you will with time get some tasty mushrooms.
I'm going to have a go at growing some Wine Cap (Garden Giant) mushrooms outdoor on straw and woodchips in close proximity to my fruit trees, if successful their mycelium will also help my trees grow stronger and produce more.
Good luck Gary.
I've been experimenting with growing mushrooms myself for the last year but have had little luck, although it seems like I may have gotten farther than you lol.
Couple things:
-Substrate as I'm sure you've heard a thousand times, should be like a wrung out sponge. Too wet and it'll just up and die on you, start to rot and smell like vomit. Too dry, obviously it just won't grow. There's quite a bit of wiggle room here though, and I find that you really can't go wrong with wrung out paper, cardboard, straw, or soaked wood. If you keep it in a container, there should be some precip on the sides.
-Make sure your substrate is appropriate. For example, most of the oyster varieties available are primary decomposers (grows on wood), while king oyster is a secondary (grows on compost or manure) decomposer like portabellos (white button). Oysters in general aren't incredibly picky about the substrates though, I've personally had the best luck with newspaper in keeping a clean culture, while coffee grounds have been populated the quickest but are prone to being fouled by green mold. Keeping a clean culture has been my biggest issue. In the last year I've harvested precisely one mushroom haha.
-Again, appropriate substrate, some are a little more sensitive than others. I tried growing chicken of the woods 2 years in a row before I realized conifericola means it only grows on conifers.
-More spawn is always better than less. You can use whatever starter you're using on a smaller quantity of substrate, and when that is colonized, break it up and inoculate new substrate.
Have you thought about trying plug spawn with logs and stumps?
That is really helpful. A wrung out sponge was actually not easy to find as a starting point. That is helpful and I found the cardboard is the easiest to regulate for moisture. The straw is hardest.
I did learn the oyster like wood. Your explanation is helpful. I did learn the hens like soft wood pine and can take 3 years. My goal is oysters and white button. Thanks for taking the time to write. I will use all that info.
I ordered plug spawn. It is for oysters. Do you think I have to use logs or could I drop the dowels in the substrates I am using?
Gary Pilarchik You could drop the dowels into the substrate, you could drop the dowels into a bucket with more dowels, they're not picky. However, I think the dowels were made for inoculating logs and stumps because you don't get a whole lot of surface area with dowels.
If you do decide to go with inoculating logs, soak it for a night, drill the holes, and hammer the dowels in. After this, most people brush a little bee's wax over the dowels to keep pests out, and then throw some wet burlap over the whole thing to keep it damp. However, I know I'm not responsible enough to wet the burlap regularly, so I drop the whole thing in a plastic bag and skip the wax. This has been working alright with me but we'll see next year. I also keep another old stump under some wet leaves in the greenhouse and that one is doing alright too. So far, it seems like keeping a sterile culture is almost a non-issue with inoculated logs and I know most folks just keep them outdoors.
Also this process is incredibly slow. Be prepared to wait a long time. Usually when I'm starting a new culture, I keep at least some of the spawn visible in the container so I can see if it's spreading.
Oh almost forgot. Fungus gnats won't stop your mushrooms from growing, but you will get a pretty bad infestation because, well, it's just a big lump of food for them. My one success came out of a culture that was pretty heavily infested with fungus gnats.
Newton's Third Law Thanks. Very helpful. I will have to think about where I can set up logs outdoors and have a mushroom area. I will think of using them indoors too.
I read that cinnamon applied in potting soil is good against fungus gnats. I tried it once and didn't have any gnats at all, but I'd have to try it several times to claim that it actually works. Good luck with the mushrooms.
Thanks. Hopefully I get something growing.
I'm going to buy some Tupperware stock tomorrow.
I am trying to grow mushrooms, not started yet, just getting everything started. I don't thing your Straw Substrate is composted enough. I will also be adding Bran, Urea and Chicken Manure to mine. Mushrooms like a high Nitrogen.
Thanks. Some varieties do want more decomposed material for sure. Good luck.
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Nice video, I look forward to following your progress... :-)
i believe the reason some are harder to grow in a farm setting is because they need a natural symbiosis to a native plant to feed it.....plants give mushrooms sugar in exchange for water
I hope it works out for you. I raised an eyebrow about everything being sterile. I presume that is more for your scientific approach more than for the needs of the mushroom. I only mention it because I wondered if there is something that is missing that the mushroom needs that is not present because of everything being sterile. I have no clue myself, just sharing a thought that breezed through my cranium.
I am thinking the same thing as Nature has a lot of stuff floating around outdoors but indoors might lend itself to more molds without Nature to keep it in check.
You don't want the mushrooms wasting energy fighting for resources/not getting enough because of an invading fungi/bacteria
Maitake is way too advanced for beginners start off with grey or pearl oysters, they are the easiest to grow and will consume contaminants as long as there isn't way to many. Also create a primary culture from something high in sugar such as corn, rice, rye, then add into secondary substrate; either straw, sawdust, cardboard or manure. After this it's up to you if you want to use a casing or not. other easy strains; shiitake, beech, elm, poplar, lions mane and buttons. also incubation for grey and pearl are 65 - 75, and fruiting can be as low as 45 to 65.
+Vandy Niyomkham Thanks for the info.
The good news, is now you can learn more about mushrooms as in last 2 years there are more videos on the process, and great books.
Thanks again
Great video, thank you!
I'm curious why you can't use mushroom compost and your own spores, but I'll keep watching.
Hen of the woods is the best, my dad has it growing wild in his back yard in Rhode Island
They are delicious. If anything at least I found a great tasting mushroom.
I know this experiment happened 7 years ago, but the 2 biggest problems I noticed was your substrate needs to be room temperature, and im assuming you were using tap water which may contain chlorine and or chloramine. Either the heat or the tap water killed your spawn. If your substrate is too wet, some of the mycelium will still grow, just not very well.
Thanks so much
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good luck. I see hyphae growing in my woodchipped swales, when the conditions are right the spores will grow mycelia and mushrooms will be there. mushrooms take time. don't give up.
Thanks. I will stick with it. I am half suspecting my throw away will spawn something in the compost bin... as you say when the conditions are right.
was it eukaryotic?
haha no, you must have failed bio
Permaculture Prepper what are you talking about? lol
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My wife would chuck a hissy fit so bad you could hear from your place if I put cow manure on the kitchen bench let alone boiled straw/dirt on the cook top!!! You MUSN'T have a woman around your place.. LOL
She was out!
omg haha so true
The house normally is the kingdom of the wives, as you said, when you do such experiments wife shouldn't be around, they give bad luck to the results. looool
Good luck.Hope it works out this time.
Thanks I think I will get some growth this time. Hopefully not mold,.
Hey gary, are your containers air tight? For your button mushrooms drill two 1mm holes in the container lid. Also if the room gets to 90 degrees and the pots are sealed, you could end up with the growing medium becoming too hot as it will start composting and producing energy in the form of heat making it get well above 110 degrees! You want the growing compound itself not to get much above 90, not the ambient temperature of the room! Hope I helped you mate:-)
Thanks I do have holes. And that is good point about composting heat. I have to put a filter beneath holes too.
Yeah coffee filters work fine under the holes:-) also try a tray with manure and black plastic bin liner stretched over it;-)) again punch a couple holes. no need to use a filter on the bin liners too.
Mushrooms arent like plants at flowering stage, the cells divide in mycelium untill they pin up for fruiting. Eat the hen of the woods its good, but you needed cells from the chicken shroom, you needed stems cells for reproduction. Otherwise the cells only enlarge never reproducing... apparently its a fine art. So im planning the dowels go in my forest tree stumps this fall.
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try using egg carton for the cardboard it loves that boil water pour in/on carton
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coffee ground try pasteurizing coffee grounds and using them. people get crazy about their mushroom growing and keeping stuff super staralized they get mean too when people post videos about growing stuff from cheap alternatives like just cutting up mushrooms and planting spores in containers, people confuse me lol.
I try and make the fewest moving parts when it comes to gardening. I figured I would start my approach on mushrooms the same way and add in degrees of sterilzation as needed.
yeah i see it the same way. some times the hard core enthusiasts get a little over board when it comes to how sterile it needs to be and what is acceptable to make it work
How are you going to remove the substrate from the jar without breaking it?
Did the containers have any drainage/aeration holes?
They had aeration holes in lid. No drainage.
Have you tried Liquid Culture? It is a rather simple method. Don't get discouraged, I am starting out just now and have already found tons of info on YT :) Good Luck!
+flower power Not yet. I want to get back to it but just seem to busy.
+Gary Pilarchik (The Rusted Garden) A mix of vermiculite and bown rice flour should be a good substrate, you could also use a syringe with water mixed with the spores. Ryegrains should also be a good substrate. You can scatter them on to some sterilized dirt afterwards.
Shoulda started with Oysters Gary! AB is not an easy one to grow. Even the pros struggle. I have had success making spawn from Agaricus Bisporus (AB) Still have 2 jars left and used up two when you mentioned the experiment on your fb group. I started them with grocery store mushroom. It colonized the substrate now I'm waiting for it to fruit. But in all honesty you should grow Oysters first then move on to the harder grows like AB, Shiitake etc. Good Luck.
Oh oysters are in there and white buttons. They are the easy ones. The other one was more for an example. Thanks. Firs t goal is to see some mycelllium. I have good feeliing about this round.
Ah to AG is the white button. Is it hard to grow. Dang I got some bad info.
Have you seen the grow mushrooms boxes you can get at Whole Foods. I have not tried them..
I've never heard about growing mushrooms using the fruit body. I understand that you can have mycelium starting to develop from the spores, but what is the point of putting the flesh of the fruit body on the substrate? It contains neither spores nor mycelium. I've seen people succeed by putting pieces of the outmost end of the foot in the substrate (where some mycelium might be left from cutting of the mushroom).
May not be viable but several videos and places say you can get something growing. Often it is used for cloning exact mushroom. But as stated this is an experiment and it might be that it doesnt work. Next is wood dowels with mycellium on them. I just ordered 100.
way too wet. straw should be pasteurized, not boiled, to allow bacteria to remain but get rid of competitor fungi. interesting experiments.
Thanks for sharing. It is odd that mushrooms can grow in only cardboard. There is no nutrients in cardboard.
They dont really use NPK. They digest thing like wood and therefore cardboard works.
Since mushrooms drop spores so easily is ok to be dealing with different types and touching and moving them around at the same time?
Technically probably not but this was just for home use.
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6:15 the colored part of the white mushroom has the spores i think. Also i think that the darker the mycelium part the better, the spores will be more mature. You need to find and cut a bigger mushroom or with darker mycelium?
Be careful when you're searching/finding for mushrooms into woods, because i've heard that normal edible (white - yes white mushroom can grow in wilderness too) mushrooms which looks normal ,can be poisonous due to naturally cross-mutations with poisonous species but i'm not sure if its true or its just a false TV bad advertise (or news) so people to be forced to buy mushrooms from store...and not from mushroom collectors from woods, some kind of inverse advertise ,most people will believe it if it's on television..:)) Thats why i dont trust sometimes what they say on TV.
Thanks. I would want to find a reliable supplier too. Cross mutations I did not know about.
I'm beginning to learn this too. Do you think that the sealed containers are hindering your growth? From what I've been reading they need to breathe, Especially during fruiting. I rubberbanded squares of sheet that i soaked in alcohol and of the two containers for my first experiment - the one without liquid has started growing mycelium. the one with water in which we blended some mushrooms the coffee grounds compacted and there were no anthill like spaces. Good luck!
So 2 years later those containers still hold mycelium that is viable. No issue.
Nice. A continuing culture?
imagine a wood land ,lihgt is dimmed , and tey is no big variaton of temperatur
Aha. There's a LOT wrong, and if I've permission to explain (rather extensively): 1. What you're attempting to do is to SPAWN rather than inoculate a substrate-with SPORES, and THAT WILL NOT WORK. You inoculate SPAWN substrate with substrate that's colonized (germinated spores). 2. TOO MANY SUBSTRATES MIXED TOGETHER. How you managed to escape a mold-monster of environmentally dangerous proportions is beyond me, but bless you anyway. Understand that substrate is substrate, and no species naturally prefers any particular beside the one it CAN thrive on; so you can literally use hair if there's enough nutrient. Straw + Coir doesn't sound like a good substrate from the beginning since coir absorb MUCH more moisture than straw will hold (probably why its too wet). Manure + straw I think is what you want, but you want to SPAWN IN that not use it as a primary substrate. 3. DO NOT STERILIZE SPAWN- PASTEURIZE! Especially STRAW, which is NOT contam resistant enough NOT to invite every microbe in the world to colonize if it is sterilized. 4. PLASTIC we know today leeches horrible chemicals into water. I've learned the hard way that plastic containers like the ones you are using will not work, not only that, they are NOT lightproof, and should be lined with opaque material in order to germinate. As long as you have Oyster spawn it should be no trouble to get a pasteurized straw/poo substrate to colonize in a spawn-bag. Did you THOROUGHLY WASH YOUR STRAW ?
STERILIZATION: Intends to kill ALL microbes in a substrate.
PASTEURIZATION: Removes ONLY harmful competitive mold while retaining beneficial bacteria. That's why milk is pasteurized and would spoil before it was packed if sterilized. The last most important thing is your work environment. Inoculating in a kitchen? NO. that's THE least microbe free place on earth (besides a bathroom, but since bathrooms are small are easier to work sterile in once cleaned). Get a heat resistant PE bag and mix wood pellet/straw and manure substrate. Tie the bag and PASTEURIZE (140-160º) for 1 hour. Use a closed box (glovebox) in clean room and drop some spawn pellets in that. Knead the bag and re-seal.
Oh and BTW... how do I know all this?
www.shroomery.org/
I cant find a follow up to this video. How did it go?
Life got in the way but it worked. I found over time, buying mushroom spawn is best. A lot of companies have started up and its really inexpensive overal.
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Have you tried buying from online some syringe with mycelium and put that instead of buying mushrooms from the super market? I think that's the problem i'm trying this with shrooms from the store as well, but i don't think it's gonna work out and if not then i'm gonna try with some ready mycelium in a syringe from online for more accurate results.
Thank You
Update?
since mushroom needs to be in a hygienic environment, why do you use manure ??? that is dirty isnt it? shit will never be clean
Outdoors is different. They been dealing with stuff for ever. But indoors there are no checks and balances.
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Sorry man but nothing on that table is technically sterile, especially your hands. You probably meant CLEAN or PASTEURIZED, but not sterile. Sterility is a process that requires a lot more.
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did . you give them air holes?
I did. This video is quite old. I haven't done much since that year.
@@THERUSTEDGARDEN I bought a pot of champignons in a supermarket, they had already some small fruths. I were watching some videos and reading some stuff to figure out what to feed it. As I have had some 3 huge and really tasty ones, but already the pot have like 2 cm from the pot to the mycelium, so I wanna know what to fill the gap with or if I should repot it.
My advice is to do a lot of research online before you attempt another grow. First, you should be completely sterile wearing masks, gloves, anything you can to keep contamination from happening. I don't think you can just cut store bought mushrooms to use as innoculation you have to buy spores or syringes first.
I don't know what your substrate was, but poo is spawn to help already established mycellium grow. I could explain the many reasons why you failed, but you need to do a lot of reading friend. Especially with fungus the last thing you want to do is grow something that's poisonous or will make you sick. I feel since you put raw fruit material with your hands you'll at the least grow some common green house mold. Good luck!
there is just no thing as sterile hands.. they can never be sterile.. or your clothes or air...
But my piss is sterile ;D
😀 you think?
Merlin Russak I'm pretty sure , and so is yours , however it will get contaminated as soon it leaves you're body due to the fact that there are spores and other shit in the air .
I think he just meant that it was all clean
That's a myth. Urine is not sterile.
Why can't you talk with gloves on?
LOL as I always talk with my hands. It was a joke.