Thet shouldn't have. The less civilization the better. The best places to live were always those with very little civilizational influence. The Irish civilization produced magnificent books but built very little, not much more than darkest Africa. Had they even renounced to build monasteries they would have avoided the miseries of the Viking and Norman invasions.
I’m a descendent of Ulster Scots who grew up in Southern Appalachia. First fairy I ever saw was in San Francisco. Probably not allowed to say that on yt but oh well.
Thank you sooo much! Loved this! I’ve been seeing soo many connections of late through my walk with Christ about all things ancient, and the understanding of origins in the spiritual realm through the book of Genesis, and this was the added cherry on top that blessed me with more conformation on the journey I’ve been on. Thank you, from an avid reader of all things Celtic from a young age, for allowing yourselves to be used by God in this ministry! Can’t wait for more! ❤
I’ve just read a book on folklore from North Wales. One of the photos contains the cauldron of which you speak, which came from the giant man of Ireland, but it was called the cauldron of rebirth. It possessed the power to bring people back from the dead. There is another tale where the cauldron can spawn unlimited soldiers. All very interesting stuff.
I'm Irish, and haven't visited America, but I think of Appalachia as the oldest part of America, because of the wonderful music and dance. I also think of it as the only part of America with real culture.
My understanding of the Fir Blog is that they were the 'men who carried bags' and were the ones who made the land fertile (were the 'first farmer's)! Fantastic topic, maith sibh! 👍👍👍
Nice overview of early Irish mythology. I’ve heard these stories since I was very young. Interesting aside relating to the Egyptian Queen who comes over her name is Scota. Her grave is in the south in County Kerry and her tribe were called the Scotti who later invaded the north of the island of Britain from where it gets its name, Scotland. Would love to hear a run down of the Táin or Brú Dá Deirge which are dripping in powerful symbolism.
That tidbit at the end about the Scottish mountain ranges was absolutely wonderful I had never heard that before, thank you!! You mentioned an Irish story about a cauldron that produces food so I’d just like to flag up an old Welsh poem by Taliesin that had the same object, it’s called “ Preiddeu Annwfn” and is one of the earlier entries in the Arthurian mythos, interesting reading
What a cool mix! Our kids are Korean, Chinese, Irish/Scottish, and Swedish/Norwegian. They’re 3/4 asian and a 1/4 white. I gave them the most Scottish and Irish names ever lol. Goes with the last name hehe.
Older Koreans call themselves the irish of the Orient. As an Irish man who lived there for 9 years I gradually learned there r many cultural similarities
I know this would have to be a very long video, (or at least I hope it would be) but a Universal History of France would be amazing. I'd love to hear Pagaeu's insights along with Richards knowledge of the Medieval world on this topic. It seems to be the capital of High Medievalism in a lot of peoples imagination...
Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick just posted a video with Fr. Daniel about Wales and Welsh Saints… A lot of Gaelic/Celtic content recently. I’m happy to see it. Perhaps this is chance, “if chance you call it” ☺️💚
For the french speakers here who would like to know more about Ireland and celtic culture in general (including gaulish peoples and other celtic continental tribes), there are several books in french about the subject. The authors are Christian-J Guyonvarc'h (native breton speaker who taught old gaelic in Rennes university) and his wife Françoise Le Roux (specialist in history of religions). The Book of Conquests is translated in french, as well as other very interesting texts.
Yes!! Guyonvarc'h published his own English translation of the Colloquy (mentioned by Richard at 52:00). I regret I do not know French, otherwise I would be an enthusiastic student of Guyonvarc'h.
@@myfyrioleremiticus I was pretty sure some of their books were translated in english. Unfortunatly it seems I was wrong. However, the Colloquy is, from my point of view, the most interesting study Guyonvarc'h did.
Another note about the Fir Bolg is that they interbred with both the tuatha de danann and the milesians, some tribes could even trace themselves back to fir Bolg ancestors in the middle ages, my family name 'Dineen', came from the Corcú Laoidhe tribe who came from the Érainn people and the Dáríne who allegedly had both milesian and fir Bolg ancestry! (From a native Irishman who still lives in the old Corcú Laoidhe territory thousands of years later)! 👍
This was an awesome discussion!! Can you provide a reading list of the books you referred/will refer to in your Ireland podcasts? Thank you and I look forward to the next installment!!
I think it would be great if someday this channel explored the possibility of the coptic connection to ireland, especially the similarities of their iconography, and possile influence on the book of kells!
This would be great. Egyptian papyrus was found on the Faddan Mor Psaltar which was discovered preserved in a Peat Bog in Ireland in 2006 - Saint Oengus (800a.d) refers to 7 Egyptian Monks buried in Disart Uilaig
Dang… I know it’s not exactly what he does, but I was really hoping that you would have Paul Kingsnorth join you when you did the UH of Ireland, given his recent work on “wild saints“ of the “green desert”
Listening from County Kerry, yards from Queen Scotia’s grave and near the glens where Na Fianna hunted, and the birthplace of St Brendan aka The Navigator.
Every time a DOS prompt window briefly pops up on my desktop with text that I can barely read before it vanishes are now going to be called the DOS Fairies.
I hiked a tiny portion of the Appalachian trail (just for a day) by myself one year. Couldn’t help but feel like there were indeed fairies round about.
I have been receiving a lot of Celtic oriented experiences lately, beginning with listening to Scotish, British and Irish folk stories on audible (look for authors Daniel Allison and Lisa Schneidau, highly recommend both). I like to listen to audiobooks when I am backpacking. On my latest trip backpacking on the PCT, going south from Snoqualmie Pass to the Mike Urich cabin, and back, I believe I encountered faeries at night; the only other thing I can imagine I saw would be giant moths, that have incredible tree bark camouflage. They were about the size of a sparrow, but they would land/takeoff from the vertical trunks of trees (kinda like how a moth can land on a vertical wall).. I was night hiking alone (besides my two golden retriever dogs) when I saw them with my headlamp.. I left some small offerings and prayed for the Grace of the Lord to be with them.🙏
Talking about fairies, recently here in Ireland an IPAS center was erected to put in Muslim "refugees" and in the process they destroyed a fairy Fort. The day after one of the workers died in an accident on the site. Also speaking about Irish and Belgium rage, there's a famous British general by the name of Adrian Carton De Wiart, half Irish half Belgian, who was known as the unkillable soldier who survived 4 wars and 11 grevious injuries.
Jonathan & Richard, do a video on the cauldron metaphor in Irish, Welsh, and continental mythology and its connection to the primordial "deep" in Genesis
There is a legend of a place called Scotia's Glen in Co. Kerry, which is said to be the burial place of an Egyptian princess who became known as Scotia. She came to Ireland to avenge to death/murder of her husband. There is little actual evidence of this but i love the story. As far as I'm aware there have been Egyptian and middle eastern coins found in ireland at Uisneach which is a sacred place in Ireland where the Bealtine festival still celebrates the coming of Spring/Summer and where they light the first Fire. It was said to be a place of important trade in ancient times.
Lugh is pronounced Loo. He is the mitra/mithras god in irish mythology, the one who was born on the outside and raised in obscurity rises up the ranks and becomes king. In the book of invasions it's not explicitly stated, but you have the division of Tuatha and Formorians and how big a deal it was that Bres was a Formorian, who would be made king of the Tuatha. Now the part that isn't explicitly mentioned is that.. the Dagda one of the main Tuatha and father of most of them is the son of Elatha - a Formorian king. So in terms of lineage, the distinction is as hollow as the greek titans and olympian gods. The Salmon is very interesting and I hope you come back to it. It's the salmon of knowledge and as you said it was a legacy from a preflood world. In all the other cultures there was a huge focus on the secret knowledge from before the flood, which is expressed here in the salmon of knowledge. Here's a little snippet from my notes Richard might enjoy if he knows the story of Manu and Matsya in the RigVeda; Cermait mac Dagda had three sons Céthur Mac Gréine husband of Eriu, Éthur Mac Cuill husband of Banba and Téthur Mac Cecht husband of Fodla. Along the boyne river they are fishing and catch a salmon, when they grab it the salmon begins to speak and tells them that the gods are angry, the people have become selfish, they do not respect the gods or themselves and produce no children due to their own immorality. The gods have decided they are going to destroy all of mankind with a flood. They take the salmon and place him in a bowl. He tells them to prepare. Gather seeds and animals. The salmon tells them to follow the music. The waters rise all around them and flood the entire world, they sail on the ocean for nine days, each day the salmon turns into a hawk to listen to find the music. On the seventh day he hears the music and the boat sailed until it reaches a mountion top that is Tul Toinne, Hill of the Wave. Atop it are the three sister goddesses, banba, Eriu and Fodla, singing dancing and playing the harp. Golamh/Galam/Gathelus gives sacrifice ontop of the mountain and the waters recede.
In your future episodes on Irish monasticism, it would be great if the oft overlooked book were mentioned, "Egyptian Desert in the Irish Bogs" by Fr Gregory Telepneff.
@@myfyrioleremiticus There were 7 Egyptian monks who sailed to Ireland to seek refuge and recluse in the Irish wilderness. They brought with them the beehive style monastic cells but in Ireland they made them out of cobblestone since Ireland had no sandstone.
I would be extatic for Polish Universal history to be explored. ❤️ They seem to be a deeply rooted people, even today. Plenty of virtue there, from personal experiences. 🏆❤️ Hungary is also very interesting. A lot of Europe seems perplexed by Hungary, and going into their Universal history might shed some light on how they view the World💪❤️
I'd really like to know if Richard has anything to say about the Mermaid Saint Muirgen. She's not in any Orthodox saint list I've found but her story is tied to and recounted by saints. I find her fascinating.
Bonjour Jonathan. J'aime beaucoup ton travail. Je suis de Montreal. I will switch to English for the audience of this conversation. I was drawn to this subject because my grand mother is a Kavanagh. They origi😂nally came to the Gaspe area by boat between the 1830-40s after the potato disete. They were recuperated by the French speaker of the Gaspe area and not the English speaker because they were Catholics. We learned about the Sidhe a little as we celebrated St Patrick's Day when I was little.. Anyway this is not the point. Back to symbology. I cannot help to make the parallel with these 4 tools of power brought to the early Irish people with the 4 elements and the tarot: air/ swords; water/ caldron/ cups; fire/ spare/ wands and finally earth/ stone/ pentacles. Is n' t that amazing?
just saying a personal observation, the Koreans are the Irish of Asia.^^ I've also observed many Korean-Irish marriages, seems more common than other mixes.
"Bolg" in modern Irish means "bag" but also "belly/gut". In Ireland, we were always told that the "Fir bolg" were the "bag men" because they were slaves who had to carry sacks up and down mountains in Greece.
Can you guys do a video about Armenia and it’s symbolism with Noah’s ark etc. Also I spent some time in Brugge Belgium and there’s a huge Roman Catholic legend regarding the Holy Blood brought by a crusader to Brugge. Although it’s Roman Catholic it would be a great analysis on how that affects the modern Brugge/Belgium. Also, I was talking about Morocco with a good friend and we found out that Morocco has a huge connection to Hercules. That would be a great video too.
enya fan and Celtic woman lover for life where! also my husband and I went to Ireland for our honeymoon and I can say that land is still alive and steep in invisible prayer, much the way I felt in Wales, it just hits you. England also feels alive but Wales and Ireland just hit you with their... magic, that's the only word I have for it
the notion of "listen to it backwards" is about a rearranging of words and sounds that are played forward, and connecting dots with the empty spaces. If they say "up" you say "down".
The name Fogarty, derived from the Gaelic personal name "Fogartach," has ancient origins in Irish history and genealogy. The exact age of the name Fogarty is difficult to determine precisely, as it dates back many centuries and has evolved over time through Gaelic naming traditions and linguistic changes. The Fogarty surname is associated with the Gaelic clan of the same name, who were Lords of Eliogarty in County Tipperary, Ireland. The Fogarty clan has a long and storied history in Ireland, dating back to medieval times and possibly earlier. Given the historical context of the Fogarty family's prominence in County Tipperary and their involvement in Gaelic society, it can be inferred that the name Fogarty has been in use for several centuries, making it an ancient and well-established Gaelic surname in Irish genealogy.
Could fairies be to the Irish as land spirits are like gnomes and elves to Nordic countries? Sounds similar to me. Especially the burial mound association.
That's kinda a universal idea everyone intuits. You ask a Japanese man if fairies are like yokai, he'd probably agree and vice versa. We seek out a universal categorization, just like with Dragons
The short answer is yes, if you'd like to read about it try Tolkien's essay 'On Fairy-Stories' or get a copy of lady gregory 'gods and fighting men' and just read the stories.
I've been collecting folk from the area and I say yes. The Tolkien connection is relevant because it reminds us there was a transcendent soul culture forgotten up there and their descendants went all the way west to Ireland but many places in the spaces in between had a new culture arrive after. The first people made of the earth were primordial souls, like Adam. Elves were derived from them and baptized, lived harmoniously, richly. The story goes they were being slain and used some kind of sorcery upon their own departure to curse the ones responsible. Now they exist someplace else that is not a place but cannot return. Dwarves, gnomes, lesser fae exist as derivations of primordial souls as well and were similarly trapped at the end of their time to echo in place. Modern men were like lesser derivations made mortal. That they resemble Adam as shreds and reflections of the First. The fair folk can interact with mortals and often desire to but are restricted by rules of the great maker. They can be tricksters and make deals but aren't compelled to be malicious, they're rarely more than bitter. They served the Maker in their own way but are ...outdated. Not genuinely evil. We can imagine them as something that existed in the background when this world was made around them. This video interprets this fairly well in the Christian story. It's also good to note that the Maker may have abandoned care of *them* but they exist in His image and desire to care for humans and the earth.
Ireland also produced men like Eriugena who was the best philosopher of the West after Boethius (Merovingian/Carolingian era), he translated many Greek Patristic texts (St Gregory of Nyssa and St. Maximus the Confessor) that were unavailable in the Latin West and his theology is very Eastern and Platonic.
Look at Graham Hancock's research, Egypt was pre-flood. The Great Pyramid and Sphinx, pre-flood monuments. That would make sense of them being seen as strange in the accounts mentioned in this video.
Claíomh Solais if you look up that you will see how it's depicted and the stories. The sword of light. I think it predates irish learning about Eden. Later stories are from about 200 AD so I'd think these are before even that
Ideas of previous peoples likely melded with the Irish Pantheon. But ultimately just about all the celtic dieties, with exception of Manaanan Mac Llyr (the ocean god) is merely a splinter of Indo European dieties brought by the Celts from the Continent.
Joseph Smith the 18th century Mormon prophet, spoke about an angel with a flaming sword, and a salamander (maybe it was a salmon?), I guess he borrowed all his stuff from the myths of the pre- mediaeval past.
I recommend doing ancestry. They have LOTS of Irish documents on there. I was able to track my husband’s lineage back into the 1400 or 1500s. They did a really good job putting the records on the internet. I was even able to find a picture of his great grandfather through immigration records. It’s really cool. You might find out where Troy comes from.
The Celts do have connections to Troy through Brutus (where we get the names Britain and Briton) and Cornelius (where we get Cornwall and Cornish) who were both veterans of the Trojan War and went to Britain after their campaign, according to the History of the Kings of Britian, but that's for Brythonic Celts. I'm not sure if Goidelic Celts have any relation to the Trojans.
I love this storytelling, magical, inspiring, and deeply satisfying to my celtic soul. 💜🙏🇿🇦 Love from a Southern African old lady.
Long live south africa! From an Irish Man 🙂
Yes, from another old lady in South Africa, originally from all over.
Love from Ireland and God bless you all. ☦🙏
I thought you were a staunch atheist? Did you see the light?
@@gearoidwalsh8606 I thought I was too. But the past 5 or so years have taught me differently. :)
Good to hear 🙏
@@gearoidwalsh8606 Did we have some spicy interactions back in my "new atheist" days?
There’s a book called “how the Irish saved civilization” that goes into detail about this story in a large way.
Great book!
Thet shouldn't have. The less civilization the better. The best places to live were always those with very little civilizational influence. The Irish civilization produced magnificent books but built very little, not much more than darkest Africa. Had they even renounced to build monasteries they would have avoided the miseries of the Viking and Norman invasions.
I’m a descendent of Ulster Scots who grew up in Southern Appalachia. First fairy I ever saw was in San Francisco. Probably not allowed to say that on yt but oh well.
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Mind your keys.
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What was it like/what exactly do you mean? 😮
UA-cam gave me a Lucky Charms commercial when I started this video.
Same lol
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No!!!😂
I got a Bones Coffee commercial🤷🏼♀️
@@kastelk Perhaps it is also magically delicious
I will never stop begging you to please put a UH homeschool curriculum together. C’mon guys! FOR THE CHILDREN.
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This is my dream as well!! 🙏🏻
I am from IRELAND. Thanks for this video ... ; )
Greetings from Donegal,Ireland☘️
As a person from Chicago with a Great Grandma who immigrated from Ireland, really looking forward to this one.
Sometimes you two put out videos that are so cool that I wanna die.
Well don’t do that. Thanks
@@sallyjom-cooper470 LOL! no kidding. Thanks.
Thank you sooo much! Loved this! I’ve been seeing soo many connections of late through my walk with Christ about all things ancient, and the understanding of origins in the spiritual realm through the book of Genesis, and this was the added cherry on top that blessed me with more conformation on the journey I’ve been on. Thank you, from an avid reader of all things Celtic from a young age, for allowing yourselves to be used by God in this ministry! Can’t wait for more! ❤
I'm mad excited for the follow-up conversations. I got into a lot of Celtic stuff back in my "spiritual not religious" days.
I’ve just read a book on folklore from North Wales. One of the photos contains the cauldron of which you speak, which came from the giant man of Ireland, but it was called the cauldron of rebirth. It possessed the power to bring people back from the dead. There is another tale where the cauldron can spawn unlimited soldiers. All very interesting stuff.
It's a pot of plenty, like the Greek cornucopia. Whatever is drawn from Dagda's cauldron or bag is drawn in abundance.
With that ending, I hope you'll give us the Universal History of Appalachia one day!
That would be awesome!
Yessss
Orthodox in Appalachia here, that would be awesome!
I'm Irish, and haven't visited America, but I think of Appalachia as the oldest part of America, because of the wonderful music and dance. I also think of it as the only part of America with real culture.
Appalachia is an extension of the Irish story anyways!
My understanding of the Fir Blog is that they were the 'men who carried bags' and were the ones who made the land fertile (were the 'first farmer's)! Fantastic topic, maith sibh! 👍👍👍
Nice overview of early Irish mythology. I’ve heard these stories since I was very young. Interesting aside relating to the Egyptian Queen who comes over her name is Scota. Her grave is in the south in County Kerry and her tribe were called the Scotti who later invaded the north of the island of Britain from where it gets its name, Scotland. Would love to hear a run down of the Táin or Brú Dá Deirge which are dripping in powerful symbolism.
That tidbit at the end about the Scottish mountain ranges was absolutely wonderful I had never heard that before, thank you!!
You mentioned an Irish story about a cauldron that produces food so I’d just like to flag up an old Welsh poem by Taliesin that had the same object, it’s called “ Preiddeu Annwfn” and is one of the earlier entries in the Arthurian mythos, interesting reading
Pumped about this one! My father is half Irish, half Korean.
That is a pretty epic mix
What a cool mix! Our kids are Korean, Chinese, Irish/Scottish, and Swedish/Norwegian. They’re 3/4 asian and a 1/4 white. I gave them the most Scottish and Irish names ever lol. Goes with the last name hehe.
Older Koreans call themselves the irish of the Orient. As an Irish man who lived there for 9 years I gradually learned there r many cultural similarities
@@francestaylor9156 awesome!
@@nmoriss interesting!
I know this would have to be a very long video, (or at least I hope it would be) but a Universal History of France would be amazing. I'd love to hear Pagaeu's insights along with Richards knowledge of the Medieval world on this topic. It seems to be the capital of High Medievalism in a lot of peoples imagination...
Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick just posted a video with Fr. Daniel about Wales and Welsh Saints… A lot of Gaelic/Celtic content recently. I’m happy to see it. Perhaps this is chance, “if chance you call it” ☺️💚
Great video
Tad Deiniol
@@drcrispyjohnson2242right! Yes. I just didn’t want to spell his name wrong 😅 a wonderful priest, we’re blessed and grateful to have him 😊
The story of Saint Brendan the Voyager would be a great movie.
He will be be my patron saint, hopefully.
My namesake, it's a great story!
For the french speakers here who would like to know more about Ireland and celtic culture in general (including gaulish peoples and other celtic continental tribes), there are several books in french about the subject. The authors are Christian-J Guyonvarc'h (native breton speaker who taught old gaelic in Rennes university) and his wife Françoise Le Roux (specialist in history of religions). The Book of Conquests is translated in french, as well as other very interesting texts.
Yes!! Guyonvarc'h published his own English translation of the Colloquy (mentioned by Richard at 52:00). I regret I do not know French, otherwise I would be an enthusiastic student of Guyonvarc'h.
@@myfyrioleremiticus I was pretty sure some of their books were translated in english. Unfortunatly it seems I was wrong. However, the Colloquy is, from my point of view, the most interesting study Guyonvarc'h did.
Another note about the Fir Bolg is that they interbred with both the tuatha de danann and the milesians, some tribes could even trace themselves back to fir Bolg ancestors in the middle ages, my family name 'Dineen', came from the Corcú Laoidhe tribe who came from the Érainn people and the Dáríne who allegedly had both milesian and fir Bolg ancestry! (From a native Irishman who still lives in the old Corcú Laoidhe territory thousands of years later)! 👍
This was an awesome discussion!! Can you provide a reading list of the books you referred/will refer to in your Ireland podcasts? Thank you and I look forward to the next installment!!
Thanks for your video, the piece I've seen is marvellous, I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of it tomorrow evening.
I'm so excited for this. I'm doing a seminar about St. Patrick later this year. This will be so helpful, I'm sure.
Please do more of these talks. Im looking forward to the tales about the Irish saints.
I think it would be great if someday this channel explored the possibility of the coptic connection to ireland, especially the similarities of their iconography, and possile influence on the book of kells!
This would be great. Egyptian papyrus was found on the Faddan Mor Psaltar which was discovered preserved in a Peat Bog in Ireland in 2006 - Saint Oengus (800a.d) refers to 7 Egyptian Monks buried in Disart Uilaig
@@samuelstruthThe Irish monks that re-civilised Europe somewhere around that time did go as far as Egypt in their mission.
Coptic style monasticism was preserved the longest in the west In Ireland
Great episode! And it's always great to hear Tim Powers getting some love.
Can't wait to watch this.
Dang… I know it’s not exactly what he does, but I was really hoping that you would have Paul Kingsnorth join you when you did the UH of Ireland, given his recent work on “wild saints“ of the “green desert”
Add him on!
Listening from County Kerry, yards from Queen Scotia’s grave and near the glens where Na Fianna hunted, and the birthplace of St Brendan aka The Navigator.
I've been waiting for this! Lovely stuff guys, thanks very much. Beannacht Dé oraibh agus go raibh míle mhiath agaibh. ☘️❤
Would be good to have reading list from these broadcasts. Excellent stuff. 🙏🏼 1:04:27
Someone call Uberboyo NOW
Please!
Ta talk about tings?
@@Ac-ip5hdin Ireland we use a soft th, not a t.
Every time a DOS prompt window briefly pops up on my desktop with text that I can barely read before it vanishes are now going to be called the DOS Fairies.
I hiked a tiny portion of the Appalachian trail (just for a day) by myself one year. Couldn’t help but feel like there were indeed fairies round about.
Very cool coverage
I have been receiving a lot of Celtic oriented experiences lately, beginning with listening to Scotish, British and Irish folk stories on audible (look for authors Daniel Allison and Lisa Schneidau, highly recommend both). I like to listen to audiobooks when I am backpacking. On my latest trip backpacking on the PCT, going south from Snoqualmie Pass to the Mike Urich cabin, and back, I believe I encountered faeries at night; the only other thing I can imagine I saw would be giant moths, that have incredible tree bark camouflage. They were about the size of a sparrow, but they would land/takeoff from the vertical trunks of trees (kinda like how a moth can land on a vertical wall).. I was night hiking alone (besides my two golden retriever dogs) when I saw them with my headlamp.. I left some small offerings and prayed for the Grace of the Lord to be with them.🙏
Loved that! Thank you! 🍀😊🍀
Yes!! So excited for this!!
This was awesome! You should talk about Stonehenge sometime.
I want to hear more stuff like this. It's fascinating.
Talking about fairies, recently here in Ireland an IPAS center was erected to put in Muslim "refugees" and in the process they destroyed a fairy Fort. The day after one of the workers died in an accident on the site. Also speaking about Irish and Belgium rage, there's a famous British general by the name of Adrian Carton De Wiart, half Irish half Belgian, who was known as the unkillable soldier who survived 4 wars and 11 grevious injuries.
Jonathan & Richard, do a video on the cauldron metaphor in Irish, Welsh, and continental mythology and its connection to the primordial "deep" in Genesis
There is a legend of a place called Scotia's Glen in Co. Kerry, which is said to be the burial place of an Egyptian princess who became known as Scotia. She came to Ireland to avenge to death/murder of her husband. There is little actual evidence of this but i love the story. As far as I'm aware there have been Egyptian and middle eastern coins found in ireland at Uisneach which is a sacred place in Ireland where the Bealtine festival still celebrates the coming of Spring/Summer and where they light the first Fire. It was said to be a place of important trade in ancient times.
Lugh is pronounced Loo. He is the mitra/mithras god in irish mythology, the one who was born on the outside and raised in obscurity rises up the ranks and becomes king.
In the book of invasions it's not explicitly stated, but you have the division of Tuatha and Formorians and how big a deal it was that Bres was a Formorian, who would be made king of the Tuatha. Now the part that isn't explicitly mentioned is that.. the Dagda one of the main Tuatha and father of most of them is the son of Elatha - a Formorian king. So in terms of lineage, the distinction is as hollow as the greek titans and olympian gods.
The Salmon is very interesting and I hope you come back to it. It's the salmon of knowledge and as you said it was a legacy from a preflood world. In all the other cultures there was a huge focus on the secret knowledge from before the flood, which is expressed here in the salmon of knowledge.
Here's a little snippet from my notes Richard might enjoy if he knows the story of Manu and Matsya in the RigVeda;
Cermait mac Dagda had three sons Céthur Mac Gréine husband of Eriu, Éthur Mac Cuill husband of Banba and Téthur Mac Cecht husband of Fodla. Along the boyne river they are fishing and catch a salmon, when they grab it the salmon begins to speak and tells them that the gods are angry, the people have become selfish, they do not respect the gods or themselves and produce no children due to their own immorality. The gods have decided they are going to destroy all of mankind with a flood.
They take the salmon and place him in a bowl. He tells them to prepare. Gather seeds and animals. The salmon tells them to follow the music.
The waters rise all around them and flood the entire world, they sail on the ocean for nine days, each day the salmon turns into a hawk to listen to find the music. On the seventh day he hears the music and the boat sailed until it reaches a mountion top that is Tul Toinne, Hill of the Wave. Atop it are the three sister goddesses, banba, Eriu and Fodla, singing dancing and playing the harp.
Golamh/Galam/Gathelus gives sacrifice ontop of the mountain and the waters recede.
fascinating and mysterious
Great work. Thanks you.
If you do a symbology of Egypt you might consider Lucas Vos - an Egyptologist who Paul van der Klay would know. One of 'our' guys
How about a review of the animation 'The Secret of Kells'...about the 'illuminated manuscripts' (Book of Kells) and a 'tower and a city'...
And Song of the Sea and Wolfwalkers.
@@gumbypokey The Secret of Kells is one of the greatest movies ever.
@@chief_tobias_just came across alot of your comments on this vid. Maybe Jonathan should invite on his channel 😊
@@outoforbit00 I'm not sure I'm worthy but I wouldn't say no!
John... did you just wake up??? Lol, I can't wait to hear this discussion. I have wondered about this for some time now so thank you both! ✝️🐑
These episodes are always two hours too short.
Thanks
Listening from Ath Fhirdia Ardee in county louth site of some of the greatest heroic celtic tales.
Pls do Romania next. Romania always gets overlooked.
Great stuff!
Can’t wait for the Wales episode ☺️ 🏴
Okay, now we need a universal history video on Appalachia!
LET'S GOOOOOO!!!!!
AR AGHAIDH LIIIIIIIIIIIIN!!!!!
In your future episodes on Irish monasticism, it would be great if the oft overlooked book were mentioned, "Egyptian Desert in the Irish Bogs" by Fr Gregory Telepneff.
@@myfyrioleremiticus There were 7 Egyptian monks who sailed to Ireland to seek refuge and recluse in the Irish wilderness. They brought with them the beehive style monastic cells but in Ireland they made them out of cobblestone since Ireland had no sandstone.
Hello from the land of Éiru
Dia 's Muire duit as Méiriceá!
Beatifull Beatifull work!❤❤❤ inspiring
Ar aghaidh liiiiiiiin! Buíochas!
Naomh Breandán guigh orainn!
Naomh Íte guigh orainn!
Naomh Aonghais guigh orainn!
Na Naomh Uile guigh orainn!
Cuimhnigh orainn a Naofa!
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Hi Irish now Australian, very interesting subed up now ❤😊
You could do Poland next. I believe that Polish messiahnism or the story Mary the Queen of Poland (The Mary) would be really interesting for you.
Agreed, and the blend of East & West
Seems like a good idea. I've also been thinking about how the Hungarian story would fit into Universal History.
I would be extatic for Polish Universal history to be explored. ❤️
They seem to be a deeply rooted people, even today. Plenty of virtue there, from personal experiences. 🏆❤️
Hungary is also very interesting. A lot of Europe seems perplexed by Hungary, and going into their Universal history might shed some light on how they view the World💪❤️
I'm glad you referred to it as " vaguely " Irish music .
Will these videos be behind a pay wall or on Symbolic World?Also, do you have anything to say about Jonathan Strange and Mr Norell book?
I'd really like to know if Richard has anything to say about the Mermaid Saint Muirgen. She's not in any Orthodox saint list I've found but her story is tied to and recounted by saints. I find her fascinating.
Is the inferno course gonna be made available to buy or rent?
Anybody know what's the source for the St. Patrick story about the last two giants ?
I wonder if that Fairies being leftover hierarchies can connect to the SCP fairies
Yes.
More more more!!!
Where can I get an actual copy of the book of invasions translated?
Mexico is a place that come to mind when I think of mythology and things like this.
Richard Rohirim🐎
What was the book he mentioned about Irish faeries and kgb intelligence??
"Declare" by Tim Powers
@@etheretherether oh nice! Thank you I appreciate you! 🙏🏻
Declare by Tim Powers
The Irish Men's Rosary on the streets in public is a great success
Bonjour Jonathan. J'aime beaucoup ton travail. Je suis de Montreal. I will switch to English for the audience of this conversation. I was drawn to this subject because my grand mother is a Kavanagh. They origi😂nally came to the Gaspe area by boat between the 1830-40s after the potato disete. They were recuperated by the French speaker of the Gaspe area and not the English speaker because they were Catholics. We learned about the Sidhe a little as we celebrated St Patrick's Day when I was little.. Anyway this is not the point. Back to symbology. I cannot help to make the parallel with these 4 tools of power brought to the early Irish people with the 4 elements and the tarot: air/ swords; water/ caldron/ cups; fire/ spare/ wands and finally earth/ stone/ pentacles. Is n' t that amazing?
just saying a personal observation, the Koreans are the Irish of Asia.^^ I've also observed many Korean-Irish marriages, seems more common than other mixes.
I hear there’s fairies in Newfoundland as well. Also part of the same mountain range I think.
Pronunciation:
Tuatha - tua
Bolg - bolug
@@chief_tobias_ all the irish lads doing triage in pronunciation :)
It starts to grind my gears when somebody says 'like' more than once per sentence
Hello from cork city Ireland
Next up: Portugal. Pretty please. Christian Roy says he's up to for it.
Yes, Lusitânia please!!
Brazil the follow-up of Portugal into the promised land
"Bolg" in modern Irish means "bag" but also "belly/gut". In Ireland, we were always told that the "Fir bolg" were the "bag men" because they were slaves who had to carry sacks up and down mountains in Greece.
Can you guys do a video about Armenia and it’s symbolism with Noah’s ark etc.
Also I spent some time in Brugge Belgium and there’s a huge Roman Catholic legend regarding the Holy Blood brought by a crusader to Brugge. Although it’s Roman Catholic it would be a great analysis on how that affects the modern Brugge/Belgium.
Also, I was talking about Morocco with a good friend and we found out that Morocco has a huge connection to Hercules. That would be a great video too.
enya fan and Celtic woman lover for life where!
also my husband and I went to Ireland for our honeymoon and I can say that land is still alive and steep in invisible prayer, much the way I felt in Wales, it just hits you. England also feels alive but Wales and Ireland just hit you with their... magic, that's the only word I have for it
the notion of "listen to it backwards" is about a rearranging of words and sounds that are played forward, and connecting dots with the empty spaces. If they say "up" you say "down".
The name Fogarty, derived from the Gaelic personal name "Fogartach," has ancient origins in Irish history and genealogy. The exact age of the name Fogarty is difficult to determine precisely, as it dates back many centuries and has evolved over time through Gaelic naming traditions and linguistic changes.
The Fogarty surname is associated with the Gaelic clan of the same name, who were Lords of Eliogarty in County Tipperary, Ireland. The Fogarty clan has a long and storied history in Ireland, dating back to medieval times and possibly earlier.
Given the historical context of the Fogarty family's prominence in County Tipperary and their involvement in Gaelic society, it can be inferred that the name Fogarty has been in use for several centuries, making it an ancient and well-established Gaelic surname in Irish genealogy.
Have you ever looked into the tuath da danann being of the tribe of Dan?
Great discussion. Yes, we Irish are literally HAUNTED.
Could fairies be to the Irish as land spirits are like gnomes and elves to Nordic countries? Sounds similar to me. Especially the burial mound association.
Fairies are more like elves in Tolkien for irish
That's kinda a universal idea everyone intuits. You ask a Japanese man if fairies are like yokai, he'd probably agree and vice versa. We seek out a universal categorization, just like with Dragons
@alxwkr look up Jim Fitzgerald irish myths to see wondeful images of irish fairies. Nothing like victorian idea
The short answer is yes, if you'd like to read about it try Tolkien's essay 'On Fairy-Stories' or get a copy of lady gregory 'gods and fighting men' and just read the stories.
I've been collecting folk from the area and I say yes. The Tolkien connection is relevant because it reminds us there was a transcendent soul culture forgotten up there and their descendants went all the way west to Ireland but many places in the spaces in between had a new culture arrive after.
The first people made of the earth were primordial souls, like Adam.
Elves were derived from them and baptized, lived harmoniously, richly. The story goes they were being slain and used some kind of sorcery upon their own departure to curse the ones responsible. Now they exist someplace else that is not a place but cannot return.
Dwarves, gnomes, lesser fae exist as derivations of primordial souls as well and were similarly trapped at the end of their time to echo in place.
Modern men were like lesser derivations made mortal. That they resemble Adam as shreds and reflections of the First.
The fair folk can interact with mortals and often desire to but are restricted by rules of the great maker. They can be tricksters and make deals but aren't compelled to be malicious, they're rarely more than bitter. They served the Maker in their own way but are ...outdated. Not genuinely evil.
We can imagine them as something that existed in the background when this world was made around them. This video interprets this fairly well in the Christian story. It's also good to note that the Maker may have abandoned care of *them* but they exist in His image and desire to care for humans and the earth.
Ireland also produced men like Eriugena who was the best philosopher of the West after Boethius (Merovingian/Carolingian era), he translated many Greek Patristic texts (St Gregory of Nyssa and St. Maximus the Confessor) that were unavailable in the Latin West and his theology is very Eastern and Platonic.
Look at Graham Hancock's research, Egypt was pre-flood. The Great Pyramid and Sphinx, pre-flood monuments. That would make sense of them being seen as strange in the accounts mentioned in this video.
What about the Chieftains?
@@jeffreyhoward6319 Great band. 👍🏻
There is also a story that Jeremiah ends up in Ireland
does the Celtic sword idea have any relation to the sword in the garden of eden?
Claíomh Solais if you look up that you will see how it's depicted and the stories. The sword of light. I think it predates irish learning about Eden. Later stories are from about 200 AD so I'd think these are before even that
Ideas of previous peoples likely melded with the Irish Pantheon. But ultimately just about all the celtic dieties, with exception of Manaanan Mac Llyr (the ocean god) is merely a splinter of Indo European dieties brought by the Celts from the Continent.
The glowing sword is an Claíomh Solais. It used be on a stamp
Is that pronounced like "Cleave Solace"
@ryanparker4996 yes, that is a good rendering. If you made is cleeuv soluce, almost the same as cleave solace then you are on the money
@@ryanparker4996 Yes but because of 'i' before the 's' in solais it's pronounced "solaish". Also it's a short 'o' not a long 'o'.
Joseph Smith the 18th century Mormon prophet, spoke about an angel with a flaming sword, and a salamander (maybe it was a salmon?), I guess he borrowed all his stuff from the myths of the pre- mediaeval past.
Whats the connection to Troy? I'm half irish and it's my mother's maiden name as well as my first name.
Ireland doesn't have a connection to Troy, it's not a place mentioned in any of the mythological texts.
I recommend doing ancestry. They have LOTS of Irish documents on there. I was able to track my husband’s lineage back into the 1400 or 1500s. They did a really good job putting the records on the internet. I was even able to find a picture of his great grandfather through immigration records. It’s really cool. You might find out where Troy comes from.
Troy is a Norman surname introduced during the Norman invasion of Ireland, nothing to do with ancient Greece.
The Celts do have connections to Troy through Brutus (where we get the names Britain and Briton) and Cornelius (where we get Cornwall and Cornish) who were both veterans of the Trojan War and went to Britain after their campaign, according to the History of the Kings of Britian, but that's for Brythonic Celts. I'm not sure if Goidelic Celts have any relation to the Trojans.