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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2024
- Aerodynamics are a dark art in Grand Prix racing 💨
Downforce and drag, it's all a balancing act that needs to be right for outright performance! Ducati's Gigi Dall'Igna explains all!
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Never heard Gigi speak before but I've seen him a thousand times 😄
True for me
@@ridwan783 hahahahahahahaha
Normally he would just scrubs his beard 🤣
hahahaha, its true
Gigi is genius bro,i like him because he genius for the revolution for motogp
That effort of doing wind simulation animation in moving video overlay...
That must be some good graphics team crew doing it 🍻
impressive!
They have the same thing with Formula 1, but they don't show it on TV. It's an interactive Computer-aided Fluid Dynamics simulation. In its lowest setting, such as here, it can do real time calculations and overlay graphics. At highest settings, it takes about 10 minutes to simulate every single atom of air going over the surface of a vehicle. There is a reason that Lenovo, Hewlett-Packard, etc, are partners with a LOT of motorsports and powersports teams, as the computing grunt needed for CFD is massive.
It has improved drastically over the past two years, however, with the release of real-time ray tracing GPUs, which, when set up with error-correcting memory and in special cards (Radeon Pro, nVdia Quadro), they can do CFD and RT in real time, which is what I think was happening here. Notice the bike is also locked hard in place, so it was probably overlaid a 3D simulation of it in that 3D space, so the graphics align
thank you, highly appreciated. The animation is based on a high res CFD, which was done by the aerodynamics team of Ducati Corse. The particles are emitted from a virtual smoke rack which is either controlled by Gigi using a 3D tracker or at a fixed position. Pecco and the Desmo are real, but have virtual counter parts needed for occlusion. The bike can move, as it can be tracked as well. A steady cam is fitted with a redspy to allow for precise camera tracking and unlimited freedom. Animating and rendering the particles is done in realtime using Viz Engine 4 on an RTX A6000 inside a Lenovo P620. Compositing is also done in real time using the same software and hardware with very little latency so Gigi and the camera man get instead feedback.
Dont forget bagnaia's effort on this vidio 🤣
Team ? U only need proxessing power
Believe this or not. More than 15 years ago on a popular international Motogp forum I asked why aerodynamics were not employed on MotoGP motorcycles. At the time I was not only a rider, but an F1 fan as well. It made sense to me that with the machines capable of going over 200mph, it would be beneficial to make onrushing air your friend instead of your enemy. I was told at the time by the forum "experts" that it was not possible and was a silly idea! Lol - here we are 15+ years later and aerodynamics are an accepted part of MotoGP machines.
wow amazing
But they really haven't changed much. OK we added 'wings' and the rear tire scoop but that's about it. Well i guess you could throw in the humped suit too. But the bikes haven't changed much. Aero had been apart of racing for a long time. We had full fairings back in the '50s but were banned/limited because of side wind issues. Race bikes with fairings was common back in the '70s. The design of the Hayabusa was odd and new because it was developed in the wind tunnel testing back in the '90's. Riders have been tucking behind fairings and handle bars for almost a 100 yrs. Testing in wind tunnels at least 50 yrs. So being wind friendly is not a new concept imho.
I wouldn't be surprised if the experts on the forum you speak of weren't self declared experts.
Another thing, teams that were doing testing and making small discoveries and implementing changes may play it down a wee bit as to not reveal their progress.
I think you were 'punked' (and gullible)....sorry.
what about in tracks like Assen or Australia, is it really that useful in slow speed corners? And you said "beneficial". Like there's no compromise when you put those ugly stuff and it just "magically" benefits the bike in all scenarios? I do wonder though, why not go all the way through! why not try active and passive aero for the bike!
Hey mike are from tnt riding group ?
Taking advantage of aerodynamics in MotoGP in the same way they do in F1 its still not possible. The reason why F1 laptimes are like 30% faster then Motogp is because with those massive wings they can pull of 4, 5, even 6 g's of acceleration, but bikes LEAN when they corner, therefore a fixed wing pushing down when the bike is straight will push partially down and partially to the outside when the bike is leaned for cornering, effectively nullifying the extra grip it provides.
More of this please this was AWESOME !
Yes, please!
Hat's off to Ducati Engineering 🙌✨❤️
agreed they are very innovative. But still the bike is not there.
Srini Krish
Have to disagree, ducatis were the only bikes consistently at the top this year, fabio clinched the title because he was so consistent. But if you look over the races from this year the ducatis blitz everything on the straight like usual, but their usual weakness of poor corner speed compared to other manufacturers was lessened to make it probably the best bike in the paddock this year, hence why they won the constructors championship. If their riders were more consistent they would have walked it this year, it looks as if pecco will do just that next year, unless Marc is back with full fitness
@@sean5431 Spinning rears have always been a prob for ducati in the corners. especially out of the corner. Another thing would be too many Ducati's took points out of each other where as FAbio was lone wolf.
@@pummyy This didn't age well
Interesting they removed the ground effect module for this. Ducati keeping the big cards close to their chest huh👀
When I saw the first pictures of the 2021 bike, I was thinking they've worked on that while the bike is in the leaned over position.
8:24 they've taken that lower wing off for this presentation too.
3:15
Pecco: "please hurry, my back itching :("
I love MotoGP for bringing this type of videos for us presented by the very teams racing.
Thank you Ducati and MotoGP, this is a fantastic video!
Pecco n Gigi big respect! Gigi is a GoD when it comes to bikes! Pecco had that race. Damn air temp dropping at end of race coast him that race. But pecco went with the hard infront he be on top if the air temp just stayed a few degrees higher for the last 2 laps. Breaks my heart. Ducati gotta win it all 2022!
This is why MotoGP is the most advance motorbike racing in the world. The engine, electronics, and aerodynamics can be developed as a prototype bike, seems like R&D on day to day basis.
Oh, and not forgetting the Computational Fluid Dynamic also.
This! This is the content we’ve been waiting for. Excellent video, keep them coming!
Working with aircraft you see the elements of aerodynamics incorporated into all vehicles now days . I remember unlimited hydroplane’s and when they added inlet cowls for better engine performance and to deflect water from going in the engines , adding side strakes to keep the boat from sliding in turns rear wings to produce down force all of these elements have been incorporated into most racing vehicles . Very cool to see how it is applied to the motorcycle to help cooling , stability and speed . Thanks for the video
When watch the new technique from Rossi before cornering, I am thinking…Why don’t add a “Wing” on the suit? Just add a triangular elastic fibre wing behind the knee, thigh and calf. That should increase the surface area for decreasing the speed. And during the straight line, the extra wing acts like an aerodynamic side wing? It’s only my thought…
This Is defenatly a great idea man!
One of the most informative video I've seen recently
Ducati has always been the pioneer of technology in MotoGP and they have the best bike on the grid which now can technically win at any circuit. I think once they get the “team management ” right, they’re gonna be unstoppable like Mercedes in F1 from 2014-2020.
Of course, I hope other teams catch up too. Close racing is why we love MotoGP after all .
So they are the Ferrari of F1?
Fitting XD
@@Someone25948 More like the Lotus
Honda is the best
I never thought I'd enjoy this much. Keep up your good content!
I always suspected Gigi might be a wizard, 2:57 is the proof. In all seriousness, keep the technical stuff coming guys. Mr Crafar was probably a little bummed out that he couldn't do this one. His tech talks and the "Hot Seat" onboard videos are my favs.
Love these new videos keep them up!
At its introduction I hated the looks of the '21 Duck but must admit that thing does look badass screaming past EVERYBODY at 230 mph. What a ride!
Animation is epic. Fun to watch and easy to understand. A 🏆 for the winning display.
Thank you for showing us this. It was very informative.
Impressed with the presentation and valuable info #Gigi the mastermind!
These wings really really work it’s going to be exciting to see them improve and eventually become active
i like how editor make the wind simulation, its look great class.
Forza Ducati Team MotoGP 👊🏿❤️🔥
I'm guessing the next logical step in MOTOGP is to start working on the inclusion of Air Breaks. By using pop out fins as per break input.
Or....rotating winglets 😉 and the side fairing opening slightly like a butterfly 🦋
They already have that, they call it the rider.
Not viable, as it can not be actuated by an electric or a hydraulic system. Aka active aero components are banned in MotoGP. The biggest air brake they have is the rider himself, and the carbon brakes do a good enough job anyway.
@@Dinara1up good to know 🙂 thank you
Wingless were illegal in the beginning...they became legal eventually.
What's ban now...may be the next step of evolution 👀
Look at street Hawk 😉
@@Thomas-qn4hj true. Just an imagin riders having winglets too 😄
Banned for safety reasons years ago, also they would add unnecessary weight to the bike
Thank you for this video. This bike is amazing. Goog job guys 😉👍
Wonderful video thank you !
! QUE PADRE ESTA ESTA MOTOCICLETA! 👍 👍 😃
SALUDOS DESDE MÉXICO 🇲🇽!
So glad and excited to listen that CFD is important for racing as well!!
Where you been for the last 10 years?
Really good content, keep it up🔥
The details! more videos like this
Awesome awesome video. That live CFD simulation was mind boggling, I'm still trying to figure out how they did it! Not a fan of Ducati bikes due to their looks but can say they're very functional machines!
Basically its Augmented Reality, the LED acts as a Wand.
Just like how it works with VR, it maps the room for obstacles(bike, rider, & everything within set-visible area),
this is the pass-through(see-through) vision of it, or Augmented Reality, because all they're allowing to show(on video) is the CFD live feedback as Overlay.
The LED is infrared.
Brilliant 👏
I saw this the first time but they removed it😂😂
The Coolest Graphic Representation of Air Flow I Have Ever Seen!! Bravo!
thank you. happy to hear.
Great informative video! 😉
Definitely the most interesting "Tech talk" of the year.
Thanks guys great video thanks.
Wonderful video about aerodynamics ❤
Awesome explanation
2022 Ducati doing comeback..great aerodynamic by ducati
Nice visuals
The force is strong with Gigi.
Best information for us
Yamaha has the smallest winglets because their bike is the least powerful and hence their is requirement of less downforce while accelerating hard. The opposite goes to Ducati.
Looking forward to see the evolution of the Gp22 Aerodynamic in the first test of the year at Sepang on Feb 5 -6 then at Mandalika.
The Ducati has so much more power than the other brands that it can run more downforce and still out accelerate them. This is a great benefit.
The new wing style looks good on some bikes. Some not so much. But helping keeping the bike down takes seconds off of lap times. It's a big plus.
Fantastic video!
When You See Gigi Talk, Thats Like A Moon And Sun Have Friendly. Imposible But Amazing 🤣
Ducati looking seriously strong with their machine and riders for the 2022 season. Going to be tough for Marc, Fabio and possibly Joan Mir
The former hero of aprilla turned ducati into a monster 7:55
I love the look of the current Ducati GP bikes. Best looking bike on the grid in my opinion. Somehow it's both technological and beautiful!
It looks like an angry pig . As a Ducati fan it took me more than 7races to accept the looks ! For me the KTM is the most elegant one .
absolute beautiful machine
Perfect video
Excellent video!
Gigi, un genio de Motogp
Excellent
Best Tech MotoGP video ever
I thought only Simon crafar was doing tech to talks. 😊 Nice upload.
I was really hoping to hear about those carbon covers they sometimes use on the wheels, especially the rear one.
Wow, Steve Day is not only doing his job as commentator, but he also doing a job as Sam Collins of MotoGP.
Excellento!
loved it
at 2:48, what is that device in his hand?
It's computer generated he is just shooting a light over different parts of the bike. It's not green screen but something like it. Saw the air stream thing on another video about computer graphics video editor.
@@kevinmccaffrey2471 Thank you Kevin
Sorry, I answered this a while ago, but the comment keeps disappearing. If you are still interested, this is an LED beacon, which is part of the stYpe follower setup. The position of the beacon is tracked in realtime in 3d space. Virtual smoke particles are emitted from this position into the computer simulation. This gives Gigi control over what he wants to explain. E.g. holding the beacon in front of the bike illustrates hiding the rider, whereas holding it in front of the winglets lets him explain downforce. Hope this helps
Is crazy that i just found out i understand Italian perfectly
Without the wings, they'd do 370-380 by now.
Crazy visual...
increible como se entiende casi todo el italiano que se habla en este tema
Great video...
awesome vid
I already miss MotoGP. Can't wait what next year brings us. Ducati domination?
Best video ever!
Very interesting 👍
inovasi ducati di motogp memang luar biasa hebat dan mendominasi motogp.
I hope in the future my son can do it
Ducati very very Cool🥰
Ducati 🚀 🇮🇹 😎 ✌️🔝 Tecnologia da anni.
Cool Ducati
And other team in 2015 only thinking about what is the colour of the livery next year.
I'd like to know about how it changes as the bike turns over (the roll). It seems like a whole other dimension, being used to thinking of aero in terms of autoracing, where the thing stays straight up and down, hopefully no roll. What a mindf**k!?!
Like, as the bike leans over, the angles of those wings relative to the level ground changes. But do you want the DF perpendicular to the track or along the angle of the bike? And how even useful is it in smooshing the bike into fast corners?
Till now only Casey Stoner has won with Ducati...
Incoming...
Ducati need to buy Marc Marquez to win Championship
Schite, they had Rossi and he couldn't make it sing.
Not happening with Miller....he's still eyeing up 7th this season....one off next week,probably where he'll end the season
If only he would race more, Ducati would have won a lot more.
Very cool video
Okey bos ku mantap🔥🔥
Ducati now like combination of yamaha and honda
I still remember when casey stoner win world championship, even the car its was so hard to move in corners they only have speed speed not even corners but they still win 🏆 that was amazing
How did they did they do the live simulation that cool
Woalah layak Ducati kerep menang, aero dynamikane apik tenan yo..
I wonder if the wings start to cause a problem when the bike is at a very extreme lean angle? Surely the down force created at the front wheel would tend to push the bike sideways rather than downwards. Perhaps it is the relatively low speeds involved at extremely lean angles that makes this not a problem?
NICE
And the age of aerodynamics finally arrives to motorcycles, well done!
all that power needs a good aero
The spoon is used to pull the bike down from wheelies as well
@motogp please put this video in your Moto GP explained playlist, thank you
Hopefully someday there is some kind of DRS on motogp bikes, like maybe they open up the winglets on the straights and close it to an angle while entering and exiting the corners to optimize downforce
They have Ride-height tho, and I think slipstream is more than enough
I think the point of F1 having DRS is to overcome the effect of dirty air in the corners. As long as there's not much dirty air in MotoGP, slipstream is enough.
@@naufalfarras1556 Nope, the point of DRS is to get more top speed so u can pass someone
gigi are the professor in motogp
waw this AR technology.. 😍😍😍
Nice bike
wow what a video
how about the surface of golf ball "dimple effect"? could it be capable to reduce air drag if developed to the body of motogp bike,perhaps on F1 racing car too