I'm constantly trying to optimize things and automate. Work smart, not hard is one of my core goals in life. My favorite saying is one I came up with myself from realization: if I always do my best my best will get constantly better. Because if you don't push yourself to the limits you will never find your limits. We need to hit breaking point to know where it is (not break, just find the point)
Asking oneself if something is "worth their time" is something I've noticed in young xNTJs, that doesn't really appear until waaaaay later in other type's lives
At uni I decided I would get an 8 out of 10 because for some weird reason the professors NEVER give higher than 9/9,5 for great exceptions. So getting those high marks is really time-consuming but they'll throw the 8/B on decent work that takes much less time to study/write. So I aimed for 8/B and spent time accordingly, the rest of the time I was building my CV, board of editors for the uni paper, internal committees etc. My professors quipped that I wasn't serious but I did graduate with that B... 10 years later because I dropped out to take part of the .com boom and made heaps of money. So I think my strategy worked out alright. I'm doing phd research at the moment for fun, not because I need to work.
@@GraceOfTheAtlantic That's a good strategy. Some of the skills learned in school are useful but an A+ really isn't that useful long-term. For me as an ESTJ I always cared about getting good grades because I'm a perfectionist, not because I thought it really mattered.
@@叶蓉蓉-m6xcould mean just enough resources used to get it done at a high enough standard, without using too much or too little. At least that’s how I would think about it and I’m entj
I find it fascinating that INTPs naturally gravitate towards least effort, maximum reward in regards to things physical or whatever we must do that we don’t want to do. We do this without thinking… because we just want to be finished with things. If something drags on too long we lose interest and move onto something else. You want the most efficient way to do something, ask a lazy person to do it. We will bend and even break the rules to do it, even if it means using things in unconventional ways.
As an INTP, this is nearly a foreign language to me. 😅 ExTJs are honestly fascinating. It’s not so much that I can’t organize (as an adult and mother, this has changed significantly for the better), but my approach is “one day at a time”.
Think about it this way: Days are an illusion. In reality, your life clock is ticking away with every second you waste. So little time and so much to do, since no one else seems to feel like doing it. -an entj
completely foreign, like how do you even speculate so far? I don't even know how my energy levels/productivity is going to be later today, let alone plan so far (and I can't seem to see my plans through, either) I'll just go back to my chill + unorganised day-at-a-time way 'cause it just seems that's how I was wired - intp
Thought preceeds Action , love these 3 concepts to me they are common sense.. 1. Sustainability 2. Cause & effect , definitely want to sequence everything ahead , thinking 4th dimensionaly ( tho for me there's too many possibilities so I'm flexible ) 3. ROi. I'm lazy efficient 😂 use least amount of physical effort for biggest pay off These are Gold ✌️ need me Entj friends
Agreed! But there are other ways to focus on ROI, such as combining multiple lessons into one challenge - ie. Deliberately challenging oneself to learn more lessons at once, as opposed to doing more tasks which are less challenging. In other words, deliberately picking harder tasks in order to grow further in the long run - that is also a form of efficiency. Personally, I see greater value in that - but I'm trying to learn that any way can be considered "fine" as long as it gets you to your goal at the end of the day -ENTJ
I'm ENTP and I also think on the longer term... but for things that don't matter like "if I buy this item in my video game, am I actually going to be using it in the long run, or should i save up..." however i don't really plan things out beforehand into a sequence but rather think of possibilities that could happen and decide if I need to go learn how to face them in that moment. when it comes to effort and rewards I don't necessarily care about the highest reward for my effort but that it is at least fair cost and if I won't do more effort just to get more if that's already enough for me...
And this keeps me in my head so much. I forget to enjoy the process because I just have to get it done & be satisfied. I think I will work on it my entire life
I just want to point out from the Fi perspective, nothing is "normal." Normal can't be the intrinsic property of anything, cuz normality comes from comparing one object to another. Everyone and everything is unique in and of itself. Defining anything as "normal" only causes more division which has no value in and of itself, cuz we're all one. Therefore, you shouldn't define anything as "normal." Fe people need to be more careful with the wording regarding stuff about F. Causality analysis is great, don't get me wrong, but wording causality to the extent which it becomes some sort of societal standards is inherently problematic.
"Normal" in this context means "I thought everyone does this thing, but It was only me" A thing only only the persons who have the same personality type as me do. If you prefer the title could be : "The things each type thought everyone do, but it is just a thing only this personality type does." Normal can also means : the majority.
Take note that least effort from ENTJ is like the max effort / normal effort for majority of people, hence we rarely do 100% just to save the energy haha
When I wonder if I’m really an ENTJ, I hear things like this and absolutely know I am. For anyone that’s wondering, ROI is Return on Investment. It’s really financial terminology but can easily be used as a concept with anything in life.
Sequencing I think about as an ESTJ event planner, it's a good skill to be able to work backwards from an end goal and figure out when things need to be done, that's also useful for cooking. ROI is part of Te so I relate to that too. I don't think about sustainability very much, I'm more focused on whether something works in the short-term, but occasionally I'm keeping in mind what could be changed for next year's event at work, or trying to think whether my lifestyle is sustainable (usually it's not lol)
I'm still annoyed, about two decades later, that I had a boss that thought it was better to under calculate a clients payment to their creditors, thereby making it easier on them until they think they are done paying and then letting them clear up the little messes that come from some interest still being owed; as opposed to doing it the way I was, wherein the full suspected amount of interest was calculated into their payments and, at the end of it all, when we told them they were done they were not only really done but actually getting a small check back from one or more creditors. Of course, that boss was not dealing with the angry letters and form letter responses to the clients that had that "What? But, you told me I was done! Why do I still owe $$$!" shock. Didn't want to listen to me. Constantly upset because I would look them straight in the eye and say "Oh, sorry I forgot. By the way, here's the check from the creditor to give to the client when they come in." Would take credit for it, but would still tell me I was wrong even though it made the client and their creditors happier.
#2 feels very estj to me - ENTJ can learn to appreciate process but it’s so low on the priority list - the impact/outcome is the point. We care about the strategy, and we make plans but we want to move to execution and fast - i don’t care about things being done “right” or just being done “one time” - were totally ok to be wrong because we quickly course correct
I think it depends on your interpretation on what sequencing means. If described in the manner you referred to than yes, it does sound like Si. However, I think within this context she is talking about how she "has the end in mind" when starting the task and has the strategy in mind, which sounds more Ni. As such, she notices when people don't have a plan and lack a strategy.
As an entj, I don't like doing stuffs that won't be useful to me. I even skip subjects in school that i don't think r worth LOL... Also I am extreme at time management. Even if im running late, I'll end up doing it in the least amt of time required.
an INTJ who's often mistyped as ENTJ here (depending on the questions lol) anw yeah those 3 are relatable. I realised not everyone thinks about those 3 actually, and I come across as intense.
This is so true. How long is this process,person, place or thing is going to be here, and can this be managed ? Thoughts on sustainability. Sequence how many minutes hours days or weeks or steps does this take or these are the steps to do this right sequence.
I think the second thing sounds more intj. I never pause. I do the planning as I go along. I often have to do things over. I am still faster than most. But maybe I am not a normal entj?
I think sequence is not as accurate as “scoping”. ENTJs scope and do so quickly and accurately. Then we fill in the blanks as we go along or as data presents itself or if we need to plan next steps. So I think it’s scope then sequence which is also seen as planning stage.
Yes, I'm thinking about the effort/reward of getting out of bed to go get ice cream. I'd have to get up, go downstairs, let the ice cream thaw long enough to dip and give proper mouth texture, and put the dirty dishes in the dishwasher... Never mind, it would take too long and too much effort. Low ROI. Instead, I',ll whine and get my wife to bring me a bowl of ice cream. As ENTJ's, we are superior problem solvers.
I love rationals. They are so precise and time-saving. It is beautiful to watch them do what they do.
I'm constantly trying to optimize things and automate. Work smart, not hard is one of my core goals in life. My favorite saying is one I came up with myself from realization: if I always do my best my best will get constantly better.
Because if you don't push yourself to the limits you will never find your limits. We need to hit breaking point to know where it is (not break, just find the point)
These things aren't normal because being intelligent isn't normal.
-an entj
Asking oneself if something is "worth their time" is something I've noticed in young xNTJs, that doesn't really appear until waaaaay later in other type's lives
At uni I decided I would get an 8 out of 10 because for some weird reason the professors NEVER give higher than 9/9,5 for great exceptions. So getting those high marks is really time-consuming but they'll throw the 8/B on decent work that takes much less time to study/write.
So I aimed for 8/B and spent time accordingly, the rest of the time I was building my CV, board of editors for the uni paper, internal committees etc. My professors quipped that I wasn't serious but I did graduate with that B... 10 years later because I dropped out to take part of the .com boom and made heaps of money.
So I think my strategy worked out alright. I'm doing phd research at the moment for fun, not because I need to work.
Can you give exact ages? How young are we talking and how late
@@GraceOfTheAtlantic That's a good strategy. Some of the skills learned in school are useful but an A+ really isn't that useful long-term. For me as an ESTJ I always cared about getting good grades because I'm a perfectionist, not because I thought it really mattered.
@@yoshiyolo30 + is my guess
Entj also always know what they want. They’re practically born knowing exactly what they want to achieve in life
I like ENTJ, they are sooo effective and time-saving. I am an INTJ , btw
We like you guys too bro - ENTJ
I can confirm the above, kind like the INTJs - ENTJ
And we love INTJs -ENTJ
Entj is ambitious and yet efficient - Your fellow intj
I have ENTJ coworkers at my workplace who thinks exactly the same way. Long term, effecient, sufficient and proficient! 👍
Sorry could you explain what you mean of sufficient, I can’t quite get that 🥺
@@叶蓉蓉-m6xcould mean just enough resources used to get it done at a high enough standard, without using too much or too little. At least that’s how I would think about it and I’m entj
I'm an INFP and I've come here to trigger you guys :)
As an infj, i relate to the ROI! Least effort, max results, hell yeah!
I love you efficient ENTJ 😍💖
yeah, I suspect that I'm an INFJ too and I relate both to the sustainability thing and the ROI. Must be an Ni thing as well.
Applies more generally to both xNTJs.
I find it fascinating that INTPs naturally gravitate towards least effort, maximum reward in regards to things physical or whatever we must do that we don’t want to do. We do this without thinking… because we just want to be finished with things. If something drags on too long we lose interest and move onto something else. You want the most efficient way to do something, ask a lazy person to do it. We will bend and even break the rules to do it, even if it means using things in unconventional ways.
Entj is basically Edna Mode from Incredibles
As an INTP, this is nearly a foreign language to me. 😅
ExTJs are honestly fascinating. It’s not so much that I can’t organize (as an adult and mother, this has changed significantly for the better), but my approach is “one day at a time”.
Think about it this way:
Days are an illusion. In reality, your life clock is ticking away with every second you waste. So little time and so much to do, since no one else seems to feel like doing it.
-an entj
@@artisticautistic9664i just checked my phone. It literally went from 1:43 pm to 1:44 pm. It hit me... -Intp
completely foreign, like how do you even speculate so far? I don't even know how my energy levels/productivity is going to be later today, let alone plan so far (and I can't seem to see my plans through, either)
I'll just go back to my chill + unorganised day-at-a-time way 'cause it just seems that's how I was wired
- intp
These really vibe with me (intj)!! 😁
Me 2. Intj.
That is the normal way to think!
I wish more people think like way because the world would be a better place to live!
She doesn't think it's normal if she notices most people don't do it. She just thinks it should be normal
this was scarily accurate
That ROI, facts 🔥
Yup - but this is VERY normal for those with an MBA
Thought preceeds Action , love these 3 concepts to me they are common sense.. 1. Sustainability 2. Cause & effect , definitely want to sequence everything ahead , thinking 4th dimensionaly ( tho for me there's too many possibilities so I'm flexible ) 3. ROi. I'm lazy efficient 😂 use least amount of physical effort for biggest pay off
These are Gold ✌️ need me Entj friends
Agreed! But there are other ways to focus on ROI, such as combining multiple lessons into one challenge - ie. Deliberately challenging oneself to learn more lessons at once, as opposed to doing more tasks which are less challenging. In other words, deliberately picking harder tasks in order to grow further in the long run - that is also a form of efficiency. Personally, I see greater value in that - but I'm trying to learn that any way can be considered "fine" as long as it gets you to your goal at the end of the day -ENTJ
Wait, other people don't think about ROI for everything? That's hard to believe to me.
I'm ENTP and I also think on the longer term... but for things that don't matter like "if I buy this item in my video game, am I actually going to be using it in the long run, or should i save up..." however i don't really plan things out beforehand into a sequence but rather think of possibilities that could happen and decide if I need to go learn how to face them in that moment.
when it comes to effort and rewards I don't necessarily care about the highest reward for my effort but that it is at least fair cost and if I won't do more effort just to get more if that's already enough for me...
I don’t understand how this isn’t normal. It’s efficient, time saving and precise. If it’s truly not normal it should be!
as an intj, this makes sense
OMG THIS IS ME TO A T‼️THIS IS MY PERSONALITY TYPE ANYWAYS SO I’M NOT SHOCKED
Yes! My train of thought is how do I get the most out of something while putting the same or less effort 😂. Sounds like we’re lazy but far from it. 😅
Yeah its not even about lazy, its about maximizing cus more is best
Yeah, we're not lazy. We've got 100 other plans we like to focus on as well. -ENTJ
This is sooo me, i absolutely do all of them, they are like the underlying philosophy of my life. I’m entj
the ROI and sustainability are very real!
I'm not an ENTJ but this was probably the most relatable video I've ever seen.
These are spot on!
I can see the value in this as an Enfp, must be my tertiary Te
I mean, anyone who doesn't see value in sustainablity and efficiency is the one not normal.
Embracing it constantly is entj thing tho, yeah
And this keeps me in my head so much. I forget to enjoy the process because I just have to get it done & be satisfied. I think I will work on it my entire life
Who the hell is this ENTJ woman?
I think I'm in love!
Lol
As an INTJ, YES ❤
Define normal
She meant normal as "expected"
I just want to point out from the Fi perspective, nothing is "normal." Normal can't be the intrinsic property of anything, cuz normality comes from comparing one object to another. Everyone and everything is unique in and of itself. Defining anything as "normal" only causes more division which has no value in and of itself, cuz we're all one. Therefore, you shouldn't define anything as "normal." Fe people need to be more careful with the wording regarding stuff about F. Causality analysis is great, don't get me wrong, but wording causality to the extent which it becomes some sort of societal standards is inherently problematic.
"Normal" in this context means "I thought everyone does this thing, but It was only me" A thing only only the persons who have the same personality type as me do.
If you prefer the title could be : "The things each type thought everyone do, but it is just a thing only this personality type does."
Normal can also means : the majority.
@@Elodie_N_INTJ_Analyzes yes you are right. And how we identify or define NORMAL is different for everyone I think.
@@judmm832 Yes, surely 16 different perceptions of what is normal
yeah I don't think this sort of person floats my boat 🙃 they'd be too demanding and I wouldn't be able to deliver
- intp
But... This is normal 😂
Shh! We're here to become more ego identified, not less.
Take note that least effort from ENTJ is like the max effort / normal effort for majority of people, hence we rarely do 100% just to save the energy haha
Least effort biggest reward is my life motto. Idk if its Te dom only or if it relates to Ni as well
When I wonder if I’m really an ENTJ, I hear things like this and absolutely know I am. For anyone that’s wondering, ROI is Return on Investment. It’s really financial terminology but can easily be used as a concept with anything in life.
Sequencing I think about as an ESTJ event planner, it's a good skill to be able to work backwards from an end goal and figure out when things need to be done, that's also useful for cooking. ROI is part of Te so I relate to that too. I don't think about sustainability very much, I'm more focused on whether something works in the short-term, but occasionally I'm keeping in mind what could be changed for next year's event at work, or trying to think whether my lifestyle is sustainable (usually it's not lol)
What do you mean its not normal? Its perfect.
(INTJ) We do speak the same language.
I'm still annoyed, about two decades later, that I had a boss that thought it was better to under calculate a clients payment to their creditors, thereby making it easier on them until they think they are done paying and then letting them clear up the little messes that come from some interest still being owed; as opposed to doing it the way I was, wherein the full suspected amount of interest was calculated into their payments and, at the end of it all, when we told them they were done they were not only really done but actually getting a small check back from one or more creditors. Of course, that boss was not dealing with the angry letters and form letter responses to the clients that had that "What? But, you told me I was done! Why do I still owe $$$!" shock. Didn't want to listen to me. Constantly upset because I would look them straight in the eye and say "Oh, sorry I forgot. By the way, here's the check from the creditor to give to the client when they come in." Would take credit for it, but would still tell me I was wrong even though it made the client and their creditors happier.
#2 feels very estj to me - ENTJ can learn to appreciate process but it’s so low on the priority list - the impact/outcome is the point. We care about the strategy, and we make plans but we want to move to execution and fast - i don’t care about things being done “right” or just being done “one time” - were totally ok to be wrong because we quickly course correct
I think it depends on your interpretation on what sequencing means. If described in the manner you referred to than yes, it does sound like Si. However, I think within this context she is talking about how she "has the end in mind" when starting the task and has the strategy in mind, which sounds more Ni. As such, she notices when people don't have a plan and lack a strategy.
This sounds exhausting
This is so accurate I'm entj
Periodt. 😌. This is my default framework - i just dont understand how people operate outside of these.
As an entj, I don't like doing stuffs that won't be useful to me. I even skip subjects in school that i don't think r worth LOL...
Also I am extreme at time management. Even if im running late, I'll end up doing it in the least amt of time required.
Now I feel special
I am a minimalist entj
I expect the best result with the least try
Uh those 3 things are normal af, oh wait, I'm also ENTJ
As an INTP these are pretty basic things to me. I always thought everyone thinks like that but more I know people more I learn they are not
ROI got me
Yeah, I thought this was normal especially the sequencing
an INTJ who's often mistyped as ENTJ here (depending on the questions lol) anw yeah those 3 are relatable. I realised not everyone thinks about those 3 actually, and I come across as intense.
We do think that way! 💯💯
ENTJs should look into permaculture. I think they were made for each other.
Stop exposing us girl!😭
Not my problem.
Y'all, im and entj and actually thought these were normal...
ENTJ here sustainability and sequencing or more precisely patterns
This is so true. How long is this process,person, place or thing is going to be here, and can this be managed ? Thoughts on sustainability. Sequence how many minutes hours days or weeks or steps does this take or these are the steps to do this right sequence.
I think the second thing sounds more intj. I never pause. I do the planning as I go along. I often have to do things over. I am still faster than most. But maybe I am not a normal entj?
I think sequence is not as accurate as “scoping”. ENTJs scope and do so quickly and accurately. Then we fill in the blanks as we go along or as data presents itself or if we need to plan next steps. So I think it’s scope then sequence which is also seen as planning stage.
I really look up to ENTJs. I think they are great at corporate
I'm pretty sure this is both entj and Intj list
Roi is important
Facts.
These are all normal right?
-ENTJ
Accurate 😂
yes yes and yes
Sam sulek ?!
These are the same thing.
Wait… you guys don’t do this?
Factss
I can relate 💯
So true
How *DA FUQ* is this not normal??????!😡
Gem
WHAT IS THE CHINESE GIRL TALKING ABOUT. ?
Is that it ? What's the big deal ?
Sam sulek
Sequencing is delusional but the other 2 aren't bad ideas.
No amount of up-front planning will prevent changes later.
Yes!!!😂
😍
This isn't normal?
Yes, I'm thinking about the effort/reward of getting out of bed to go get ice cream. I'd have to get up, go downstairs, let the ice cream thaw long enough to dip and give proper mouth texture, and put the dirty dishes in the dishwasher...
Never mind, it would take too long and too much effort. Low ROI.
Instead, I',ll whine and get my wife to bring me a bowl of ice cream.
As ENTJ's, we are superior problem solvers.
I think most intelligent planners and pragmatists (including ENTJs) will think about these concepts when undertaking important projects and tasks.