The hospital told her husband she is NOT to be allowed alone with their children if she was going to be living at home and not in an inpatient setting, as it would be a threat to their children’s safety. He left her alone. She certainly planned this, but he was negligent in leaving the children in her care. His own guilt is the only reason I think he’s publicly supporting her.
@@jordanramseyerStop thinking parents don’t hold equal responsibility in protecting their children. A father holds BLAME for leaving his child with a risk to them.
That’s in the Andrea Yates case. I don’t remember reading that for this one . Please link to an article saying that she wasn’t allowed or supposed to be alone with the children.
@@kimberlypainter5169 the problem is he state she resides in will likely side with HER. She’ll be found mentally ill and sent of to a mental health institution instead of being incarcerated in prison
What's interesting about her postpartum insane defense is that she was under a doctors care and was heavily medicated so in a way this kind of shows even with meds and doctors help it might not matter for some ppls mental health. The murder of the kids was premeditated she actively made sure her husband was gone running errands she sent him to do knowing it would give her enough time to kill their kids, i feel like if she was crazy she wouldn't have made sure her husband was gone she just would have done it.
TRUTH. How does one still have enough “shame “ to make sure they’re alone to commit act of violence on the verge of an insanity crisis. Doesnt line up at all.
She probably didn’t even take her meds as prescribed. Or she may have been setting a trail that she was under a psychiatrist care to plan this out and plea insanity.
It was premeditated. She planned it out. During psychosis you don’t have time to plan and think. She’s not insane in the fact she had no idea what she was doing. The amount of people defending her is really appalling.
I work in child welfare and have worked with mothers with PPP. They do not plan things out and make sure no one is home before they go insane. Lindsay, you know what you did.
Narcissistic sociopath planned it ahead of time. She didnt just 'snap' and do something like 'post partum' emotional snapping. She was very calculated and conniving, in timing and methods. 😠😠 Poor innocent kids! 😪😪😪
The difference between this and Andrea Yates is that Andrea accepted responsibility and does not even want to be let out all these years later. One of Lindsay’s first questions was “Do I need a lawyer.” 😑
Lets not forget how Yates was also left alone by the husband. Yates husband remarried and had more kids. He just moved on. He was responsible for the deaths too. I have seen first hand how bad ppd is. Everyone loves to blame the mother. Seems they could have afforded to pay someone to be there. Needless.
He feels guilty. He knew she had problems and could have done more. I mean we all brush people off with "they'll be fine", but in actually some people won't.
Andrea Yates' case makes me SOOO SO angry, because the husband was warned by her doctor that Yates couldn't have another child, but he listened to his fundementalist pastor instead of his wife's doctor. Add in that he tried to push her into living in tight quarters IN A RENOVATED BUS with the trigger for her psychosis and no privacy before the state told him he can't do that. I mean he kept trying to push her into this unattainable ideal of motherhood and matrimony in spite of every warning sign. And because he did it out of religious belief, he gets away with it! He and his pastor share blame morally, they should share blame legally!!! And when people talk about Andrea Yates, they talk about her in terms of the mother turned monster, they don't talk about the attitudes that brought her there! If we don't learn from history we'll be doomed to repeat it! And there will keep being Andrea Yateses killing their children over and over again until we DO!
I'm sorry but all the detailed planning she done. That's not insanity. That's cold blooded. And also shes trying to say herself shes insane. Wrong crazy people dont know or think they are crazy. Prison for life
She wasn't insane, she had ppd. My daughter had ppd. It was like a switch, soon as the baby was born. They need intervention. But often they don't get it.
Oh please she planed this. She killed those beautiful precious babies. She knew what she was doing. She sent him out so she wouldn't get caught. She needs an eye for an eye.
Not to mention the fact that the husband CALLED her while he was out and he said she seemed calm cool and collected, but it sounded like she was “in the middle of something.”
Why would you want to go on with your life after you did this sick insanity. The guilt alone should make you not want to continue or even try to rebuild knowing they cant because or what you did.
I honestly believe she lost her mind she also tried to take her own life. I think it was a combination of medications and postpartum that was the main cause of her actions
She planned it. She clearly new it was wrong or she wouldn't have worked so hard to ensure the husband didn't stop it. Regardless she ended the lives of 3 kids, she should be in jail or an institution for life. I wanna see these journal entries. If she was so unstable and it was known then the people around her should not have left her alone with those kids.
If you had learned you had severe postpartum symptoms after your first child, and was confirmed with the second child, then you should not have had a third child.
This woman knew exactly what she was doing. She felt something was wrong with her but still didn't try and reach out to someone to take the kids ... she is sick and twisted to say she's not guilty! It wasn't a reaction to one kid. it was 3! Perfectly calculated
In this case the fault quit literally falls on him! He was told she should not be left alone with them and he even adjusted his schedule and started working from home. He could’ve taken the kids with him or sent her to get the food. Of course she is at fault because she did it obviously, but he also deserves some punishment for the fact he NEGLECTED HIS children and left them alone with a ‘monster’.
Finally a crime I believe the insanity defense for. You never googled how far your favorite restaurant is from your house? That's the only thing they have to counteract the insanity defense. She was on meds, hospitalized, diagnosed with postpartum depression that might be postpartum psychosis, she's very sick.
She had him to go a restaurant farther out of the way than normal. He called while he was out and she answered the phone and was calm, cool and collected.
She is guilty of murder, if she was really sorry and mentally ill, she would plead guilty. Don't buy her insanity claim, she planned to murder her kids, I blame the husband as well, he should have never left her alone with their children, if she was so mentally ill.👎🙄
I don’t know. I’m not defending her. Postpartum depression is really scary. Dr. Krystal Cascetta who otherwise lived a very perfect life and was a brilliant cancer doctor, killed her newborn and then herself in a moment of pure insanity.
If she's exhausted from being a mother to these 3 kids, leave them to the orphanage or family members willing to care for them... Luckily, she didn't burn down the whole house..in the end, this whole tragedy is a profound topic to discuss by the top residents in the Psyche Unit...
OMG - we're not talking about sports here, we're talking about children's LIVES. Please stop treating the case like it's a football game! Talk about jaded.
@@DontBULLYothershe knew. She's previously been institutionalized because she wanted to kill her children. But although he knew, I think he just couldn't believe it.
What makes me sick is what she did. No excuse for strangling your own kids in premeditation. Stop being weird, mental illness can’t be an excuse in this circumstance
Where was the extended family!? My daughter has 3 under 3….goes to college. I have them while she’s at school and whenever she calls and says > mom I need a minute. She doesn’t abuse that. Sometimes I have to call and ask FOR them. Sigh Mothers…please help your daughters.
She’s going to be found GBMI. She will be guilty, but also found insane at the time of the crime. The Father is going to for sure be helpful for her defense. She will do prison time and also get mental help. I just can’t support that because of her planning before and after. She knew it was wrong, she made sure he was gone, it was so calculated and that just doesn’t add up for her not comprehending “right & wrong.”
Of course she had a mental health issue, no other explanation given those circumstances. Isn’t she paralyzed due to jumping out the window? Not exactly a “perfect plan”, of course the prosecution will say she planned it. And it’s totally tragic, I’m not excusing it but let’s have some common sense. A mom who is a nurse, etc doesn’t just kill her children. She’s not getting out of “jail” no matter what, she’s paralyzed. She will be in a mental institution for the rest of her life. They are not trying to get her to be “not guilty” as in - it’s ok just go home.
I am so sick to death of “ the mental health “ claim. Absolutely it plays a part but it should not stop punishment. The babies didn’t ask to be born nor die at the hands of evil . She could have place the kids with friends and family or even the state.
This is why men need to take their wives/gf’s post birth care so serious. I’m not saying she isn’t guilty, she definitely is. It was premeditated, but I know for a fact that her mental state was out of wack from having three young kids back to back basically and her struggles with mental health should have been handled and addressed before trying for another kid.
I can't tell who's more insane though. The wife who is trying to blame her premeditated murders on mental illness or her husband for forgiving her and not divorcing her based on this video after killing their children.
There is no defending a baby killer. I don’t care what anyone says that is the lowest of the low. They are innocent little babies if your that crazy then she shouldn’t live in a house with them. It’s her fault no matter how you look at it. Baby killer.
Kevin reddington is not the lawyer he used to be... His daughter will never be but this is she is... Should have got a better lawyer. His best days were 20 years ago.
She intentionally chose a place to get take out to give her sufficient time then added the CVS goose chase😡 I think she is hoping for a mental institution & not prison!
Let’s say hypothetically speaking she was going through a psychotic episode. She still tortured her innocent babies to death. Mental illness does not justify the actions of this despicable excuse of a “mother”.
She planned and executed the murders. Guilty guilty guilty.
Meds 👎
@coletteday712 speaking of meds, go take yours.
@@coletteday712 And? Guilty. 😂
@@spacemanspliff7983
Your glass house is on shaky ground 🫣
@coletteday712 -- Even if she was on meds, she still murdered her THREE babies in cold blood. Those.are FACTS not a "glass house" numbnuts.
The hospital told her husband she is NOT to be allowed alone with their children if she was going to be living at home and not in an inpatient setting, as it would be a threat to their children’s safety. He left her alone. She certainly planned this, but he was negligent in leaving the children in her care. His own guilt is the only reason I think he’s publicly supporting her.
She'll be put away in any case, and he'll divorce her and move on with his life
Stop blaming the husband. So gross
@@jordanramseyerStop thinking parents don’t hold equal responsibility in protecting their children. A father holds BLAME for leaving his child with a risk to them.
That’s in the Andrea Yates case. I don’t remember reading that for this one . Please link to an article saying that she wasn’t allowed or supposed to be alone with the children.
@notsorryyouretriggered she sent him away. Research the case please
This case makes me so sick.
@@kimberlypainter5169 the problem is he state she resides in will likely side with HER. She’ll be found mentally ill and sent of to a mental health institution instead of being incarcerated in prison
What about her husband?
@@JK-yf2vl Victim blaming
She is a murderer and it was premeditated. PERIOD.
she was drugged out of her mind and it's far more complex than your simpleton conclusion.
@@genesmith3582your mental health is your responsibility
@@genesmith3582Crimes committed while impaired are still crimes. She had enough clarity to map her husband’s route of travel.
@@genesmith3582 of course defend her, I dislike ppl with your mindset
@@genesmith3582 Nope, guilty. Deal with it
What's interesting about her postpartum insane defense is that she was under a doctors care and was heavily medicated so in a way this kind of shows even with meds and doctors help it might not matter for some ppls mental health. The murder of the kids was premeditated she actively made sure her husband was gone running errands she sent him to do knowing it would give her enough time to kill their kids, i feel like if she was crazy she wouldn't have made sure her husband was gone she just would have done it.
I agree.
Well said, and I’m a retired mental health professional and I completely agree with your comments.
TRUTH. How does one still have enough “shame “ to make sure they’re alone to commit act of violence on the verge of an insanity crisis. Doesnt line up at all.
Absolutely
She probably didn’t even take her meds as prescribed. Or she may have been setting a trail that she was under a psychiatrist care to plan this out and plea insanity.
I’m tired of people using insanity as a defense to kill their loved ones🙄
Meds 👎
I’m tired of people judging others from their glass houses
I agree .. I am sick of mental illness theory too. She killed her chidren, OF COURSE she’s nuts!
@@coletteday712SHE ENDING HER CHILDREN’s LIVES. If that’s not a damning character flaw, what is?
I mean in some way she is insane because no sane person would kill their kids. But the insane should be treated the same as any one else
It was premeditated. She planned it out. During psychosis you don’t have time to plan and think. She’s not insane in the fact she had no idea what she was doing.
The amount of people defending her is really appalling.
No your guilty
Just go to prison 🤦🏾♀️
Guilty. Seek help in prison.
I work in child welfare and have worked with mothers with PPP. They do not plan things out and make sure no one is home before they go insane.
Lindsay, you know what you did.
I dont think she's gonna find your comment, bozo
💯 agree! Her mistake was when she jumped out of the window she didn't "stick the landing" & ended up paralyzed! She expected broken limbs..imo.
Narcissistic sociopath planned it ahead of time. She didnt just 'snap' and do something like 'post partum' emotional snapping. She was very calculated and conniving, in timing and methods. 😠😠 Poor innocent kids! 😪😪😪
That’s wild changing your plea after a confession
Her husband forgiving her is wild too.
It happens often. A lot of people don't understand how the system works and that you don't have to talk without a lawyer.
Complexion Protection 😊. My head hurts so I'm not guilty
An insanity plea doesn’t mean she’s saying she didn’t do it, it means she’s saying she did do it but wasn’t in her right mind.
They say being in a psychiatric unit is worse than being in prison 🤷♀️
So by taking a ton of drugs to self medicate means you are not liable for killing 3 people? Im typing this while drinking and driving and need to know
You're only guilty for this if you're speeding
Lmao wow
@@karliann1😂😂😂 only guilty if you get caught or crash 💥
@@DontBULLYothers yep 🤣
@@karliann1 what a great point.
Guilty for reason of being Evil. Nothing else.
The difference between this and Andrea Yates is that Andrea accepted responsibility and does not even want to be let out all these years later. One of Lindsay’s first questions was “Do I need a lawyer.” 😑
Great point.
Lets not forget how Yates was also left alone by the husband. Yates husband remarried and had more kids. He just moved on. He was responsible for the deaths too. I have seen first hand how bad ppd is. Everyone loves to blame the mother. Seems they could have afforded to pay someone to be there. Needless.
That husband is wild. If those were my children, you better pray you stay in prison.
Real talk
Definitely.
Facts
He feels guilty. He knew she had problems and could have done more. I mean we all brush people off with "they'll be fine", but in actually some people won't.
I get it but she truly is mentally ill. You could not change a thing. This was going to happen no matter what. Her brain is cooked
Andrea Yates' case makes me SOOO SO angry, because the husband was warned by her doctor that Yates couldn't have another child, but he listened to his fundementalist pastor instead of his wife's doctor. Add in that he tried to push her into living in tight quarters IN A RENOVATED BUS with the trigger for her psychosis and no privacy before the state told him he can't do that. I mean he kept trying to push her into this unattainable ideal of motherhood and matrimony in spite of every warning sign. And because he did it out of religious belief, he gets away with it! He and his pastor share blame morally, they should share blame legally!!! And when people talk about Andrea Yates, they talk about her in terms of the mother turned monster, they don't talk about the attitudes that brought her there! If we don't learn from history we'll be doomed to repeat it! And there will keep being Andrea Yateses killing their children over and over again until we DO!
How does a mother go through all the work of pregnancy, childbirth, and raising 3 kids to this age only to kill them?!?!?
Deep Hatred
A question that should have been asked in the interview: Is a planned murder eligible for an insanity defense?
Yes. Insane does not have to mean "spontaneous"
I'm sorry but all the detailed planning she done. That's not insanity. That's cold blooded. And also shes trying to say herself shes insane. Wrong crazy people dont know or think they are crazy. Prison for life
She's guilty!
the nerve of this woman-
If your insane,you don’t know that you are insane.
She wasn't insane, she had ppd. My daughter had ppd. It was like a switch, soon as the baby was born. They need intervention. But often they don't get it.
*you're
A psychotic break is characterized by disordered thinking not premeditation
Oh please she planed this. She killed those beautiful precious babies. She knew what she was doing. She sent him out so she wouldn't get caught. She needs an eye for an eye.
💯 sad but so true!
The defense is never going to convince a jury that an insane person acts with such level to detail. The call for food, the mapping etc
Not to mention the fact that the husband CALLED her while he was out and he said she seemed calm cool and collected, but it sounded like she was “in the middle of something.”
@ Proves she had enough rationale to answer her phone because he could’ve been on the way back.
Why do they keep making excuses for her . She’s guilty as charged
This case will be a very hard on jurors. 🙏🏻
Why would you want to go on with your life after you did this sick insanity. The guilt alone should make you not want to continue or even try to rebuild knowing they cant because or what you did.
Side note, she was a labor and delivery nurse at Boston's #1 hospital
Sad.
That’s nuts! She cracked
Thats the point I'm trying to make. She had not only more, but the best resources for help and she did nothing.
She premeditated their murders!!!! Sorry you don't get away with saying oops I was mentally stable.
Absolutely disgusting is what this is
Killing 3 is crazy, go to jail.
Nope, she knew what she was doing was wrong or else she wouldn't have sent her husband away right before she did it.
I honestly believe she lost her mind she also tried to take her own life. I think it was a combination of medications and postpartum that was the main cause of her actions
her husband should divorce n & move on
I believe/read that he has. Plus he moved to New York????
6:20 That fool loves her. What are you talking about?
Hard to claim insanity when this horrific act was clearly premeditated. Sickening and heartbreaking 💔
She planned it. She clearly new it was wrong or she wouldn't have worked so hard to ensure the husband didn't stop it. Regardless she ended the lives of 3 kids, she should be in jail or an institution for life. I wanna see these journal entries. If she was so unstable and it was known then the people around her should not have left her alone with those kids.
Thank you for covering this, and keeping us updated. Sooooo sad 😢😢😢😢
If you had learned you had severe postpartum symptoms after your first child, and was confirmed with the second child, then you should not have had a third child.
Your comment assumes choice is available.
@@TinyRanterShe knows how babies are made. She chose to have more children.
And why would her husband want to have more children knowing this?
My wife had it on our 3rd child, and fine on our 4th.
💯
If she putted that much planning and thoughts into what she did, she wasn’t insane at the time of the murder.
She is GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY! She planned it and needs to be punished.
she planned the whole thing
What was going through those poor children's minds. OMG
Reminder it took ten years to prove Andrea Yates mental state. This comment section reflects that
Wow, this creature is getting a lot of sympathy ☹️
This woman knew exactly what she was doing. She felt something was wrong with her but still didn't try and reach out to someone to take the kids ... she is sick and twisted to say she's not guilty! It wasn't a reaction to one kid. it was 3! Perfectly calculated
Something terrible was wrong! Mothers love their children!
Unpopular opinion but her husband is just as guilty🤷🏽♀️ he left those poor babies when he knew she was ‘ill’.
I don’t think that means he murdered them but he definitely shouldn’t have left her alone with them knowing she was having massive issues
It's always the husband's fault, isn't it?
She sent him away. Women need to learn what accountability. He can't always be there he has to work as well
Disturbing comment
Someone commented that he was told he shouldn't leave her alone with the kids, but he did it anyway
In this case the fault quit literally falls on him! He was told she should not be left alone with them and he even adjusted his schedule and started working from home. He could’ve taken the kids with him or sent her to get the food. Of course she is at fault because she did it obviously, but he also deserves some punishment for the fact he NEGLECTED HIS children and left them alone with a ‘monster’.
BS defense
Couldn't they potentially push responsibility on the husband? Knowing the condition? 8:30
It's always the husband's fault!
There is nothing to ever indicate the father was told to not leave her alone.There is no proof of that..
Finally a crime I believe the insanity defense for. You never googled how far your favorite restaurant is from your house? That's the only thing they have to counteract the insanity defense. She was on meds, hospitalized, diagnosed with postpartum depression that might be postpartum psychosis, she's very sick.
She had him to go a restaurant farther out of the way than normal. He called while he was out and she answered the phone and was calm, cool and collected.
Father is also to blame. Not just a victim. Should have paid someone to be there when he was not. Something....
He loved her & just couldn't imagine that she REALLY wanted to kill his children even though she'd previously said she wanted to hurt them.
She is guilty of murder, if she was really sorry and mentally ill, she would plead guilty. Don't buy her insanity claim, she planned to murder her kids, I blame the husband as well, he should have never left her alone with their children, if she was so mentally ill.👎🙄
I don’t know. I’m not defending her. Postpartum depression is really scary. Dr. Krystal Cascetta who otherwise lived a very perfect life and was a brilliant cancer doctor, killed her newborn and then herself in a moment of pure insanity.
Never leave her alone? Really, that's insane.
@@TiffTheTyrantsounds like defending her to me
If she's exhausted from being a mother to these 3 kids, leave them to the orphanage or family members willing to care for them...
Luckily, she didn't burn down the whole house..in the end, this whole tragedy is a profound topic to discuss by the top residents in the Psyche Unit...
Such a sad thing but I’m sorry she deserves lots of jail time
She planned it.
Sad thing is she may get a light sentence. She's pretty, pink and privileged, the trifecta
Can't spell privileged without spelling vile...
Her pictures creep me out. She looks possessed
Made me think of Andrea Yates case. No words… poor babies
Yes and just like Andrea Lindsey is sick mentally. It took ten years to prove this for Andrew
OMG - we're not talking about sports here, we're talking about children's LIVES. Please stop treating the case like it's a football game! Talk about jaded.
😢 agree
Husband is trippin sounds like he knew🤢🤢🤢
Cheaper than child support
I think he just knew she had mental illness problems but didn’t know she wanted to hurt the kids
@@DontBULLYothershe knew. She's previously been institutionalized because she wanted to kill her children. But although he knew, I think he just couldn't believe it.
But WHY???
She was very mentally ill and she was on way too many meds. These other comments make me sick people don’t seem to understand mental illness
What makes me sick is what she did. No excuse for strangling your own kids in premeditation. Stop being weird, mental illness can’t be an excuse in this circumstance
@@Wyaldd Andrea Yates case is nearly identical. I hope this woman gets the help she really needs instead of prison.
@@Emma_esthetician You clearly don't understand very much.
I’m very curious what comes out in the trial.
@@Emma_estheticianyes but Andrea Yates doesn’t want to be free. Thats the big difference here.
Where was the extended family!?
My daughter has 3 under 3….goes to college. I have them while she’s at school and whenever she calls and says > mom I need a minute. She doesn’t abuse that. Sometimes I have to call and ask FOR them. Sigh
Mothers…please help your daughters.
She’s going to be found GBMI. She will be guilty, but also found insane at the time of the crime. The Father is going to for sure be helpful for her defense. She will do prison time and also get mental help. I just can’t support that because of her planning before and after. She knew it was wrong, she made sure he was gone, it was so calculated and that just doesn’t add up for her not comprehending “right & wrong.”
This case is so ridiculous and heartbreaking
Did she ever tell anyone that she wanted to or hallucinated about killing her children?
Of course she had a mental health issue, no other explanation given those circumstances. Isn’t she paralyzed due to jumping out the window? Not exactly a “perfect plan”, of course the prosecution will say she planned it. And it’s totally tragic, I’m not excusing it but let’s have some common sense. A mom who is a nurse, etc doesn’t just kill her children. She’s not getting out of “jail” no matter what, she’s paralyzed. She will be in a mental institution for the rest of her life. They are not trying to get her to be “not guilty” as in - it’s ok just go home.
I am so sick to death of “ the mental health “ claim. Absolutely it plays a part but it should not stop punishment. The babies didn’t ask to be born nor die at the hands of evil . She could have place the kids with friends and family or even the state.
This is why men need to take their wives/gf’s post birth care so serious. I’m not saying she isn’t guilty, she definitely is. It was premeditated, but I know for a fact that her mental state was out of wack from having three young kids back to back basically and her struggles with mental health should have been handled and addressed before trying for another kid.
Of course she was not in her right mind. Too much medication and postpartum.
She'll get off. Massachusetts has a warped sense of justice
So if her mental health was that bad why she have rights as parent or individual. She shouldn’t have right to refuse meds or tx after this
She needs to rot in prison for the rest of her life. An insanity defense but the whole thing was planned out well beforehand? She is so full of it.
I can't tell who's more insane though. The wife who is trying to blame her premeditated murders on mental illness or her husband for forgiving her and not divorcing her based on this video after killing their children.
There is no defending a baby killer. I don’t care what anyone says that is the lowest of the low. They are innocent little babies if your that crazy then she shouldn’t live in a house with them. It’s her fault no matter how you look at it. Baby killer.
She had to have been crazy to do something like this.
They all play the insanity game….
Kevin reddington is not the lawyer he used to be...
His daughter will never be but this is she is...
Should have got a better lawyer.
His best days were 20 years ago.
I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but where are her tears?? Any outbursts of regret, shame? I haven't seen it.
And presenting, First Place in the 2024 Defense Awards: Insanity 🏆
Did she already said her husband was abusive that why she did it?
She's guilty and it was premeditated.
She intentionally chose a place to get take out to give her sufficient time then added the CVS goose chase😡 I think she is hoping for a mental institution & not prison!
Let’s say hypothetically speaking she was going through a psychotic episode. She still tortured her innocent babies to death. Mental illness does not justify the actions of this despicable excuse of a “mother”.
LOVE THIS LAWYER
Only insane people do these horrible acts. She needs help for sure.
She obviously aint well,,,,
Very sad story both ways
Sad
The husband should of known
lauren dickerson tried that trick out too.....timaru New Zealand
Then if she had issues then WHY DIDN'T GET HELP AND ALSO BLAME HER HUSBAND BC HE KNEW TOO
Plz just do your time u know what happened to it for those babies
Meds 👎
BS. She planned it. Guilty.
🤢
Usual suspect
common american excuses
Whamen are evil