Until Dawn Remake Studio Makes Layoffs Before Launch - Luke Reacts
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Meanwhile Nintendo has most of their staff since the 80s
Nintendo will survive another gaming crash easily
not really true
Japan also has quite solid worker protection laws. It's hard to fire anyone. Like in Germany (and maybe other european countries) You often hear from US companies and maybe Canadian that they just lay off. Lots of contract based work and no protection. Both good and bad depending on the situation to have these laws
@@johansvensson833 compared to Western studios? Japan in general does a good job retaining talent, imagine if Nintendo fired Miyamoto because 1 game didn't sell well, because that's exactly what happens all the time in the west, instead of holding on to talent and refining it they'd rather replace it or buyout a different studio for the IP
@@Arcademan09 a lot of that is due to japanese culture. it doesn't and can't translate over to the west
I want someone to explain to me the logic with laying off your employees BEFORE the game is even fucking launched 😹
They're making a remake of a game that was already re-released and was perfect as is.... Tell me you're redundant without telling me. LOL
@@sethmurphy3516 bruv u just said they’re making a re remake???
@@rari2xx Not a remake. A remaster. Most of the assets were reused without significant upgrades. They improved the lighting and rearranged some cutscenes. That's it.
@@sethmurphy3516 Have your parents not teached you to be quiet if you got nothing good to add? Talking about redundant... Loser
@@rari2xx Spoiler alert lad if you're working on a project with "RE" anywhere in it it's not essential. Class dismissed.
made redundant is such a weird euphemism
"Made redundant" = replaced by AI.
I mean it makes sense but yeah... It's borderline dehumanizing.
I think only the British use it. It’s sort of like how Americans talk about teams “trading” athletes to other teams and Europeans always say “transferring.”
Sounds like corporate lingo
@@roland1931No it means they are no longer needed. Their role was just for the project
It didn't even need a remake absolutely pointless.
It’s an awesome game, but you’re so right. The original still holds up easily.
Exactly, if anything a "remaster" or just a simple hi res texture release w/ upscaling. The original still stands up.
@@Its_Syxx Did you even watched the comparison there is a big difference in graphics quality also there are a lot of people who didn't played the game so this is great.
@@mrX666-s9pdon’t matter how much better the graphics look no one asked for a remake of this game lil bro 😂
@@markcoleman9765 The only lil bro is you look at your cartoon avatar also clown you don't speak for everyone cry in a corner.
These game companies need to stop spending 200 million on every single AAA game. "It's expensive to make a game!" *HOW* , we have free tools and it's easier than ever to share resources, how many employees do they have?!
My thoughts exactly I can only think there’s so many people just not doing much or not anything at all
feel like it's a money laundering issue of some kind.
whats the ratio between project managers and developers?
boy do you ignoramuses have it all figured out.
Most of that "expense" is for the executives.
Everyone been saying the industry needs to crash. Well this is the first sign it's happening.
The early 2030's will be filled with games made by small studios "with devs who worked on X".
Only once that happens will the larger studios begin to re-emerge.
For anyone saying 'this game didn't need a remake', it's essentially just a PC release and PS5 remaster. If you haven't played before and wanted to but didn't have a PlayStation, you can now play it on PC. Thats kinds the point of it.
Internet goofs used to port games into roms for emulators.... For fun. And they were good at it. No upscaling, but you could generally use turbo features... They kinda stopped cause lawsuits from gane companys doin the same thing but worse, and costing tens of millions of dollars.
It also seems to be a remaster. Not a remake.
Thats why Nintendo is just so profitable. Their games have a much lower budget but we all know they're made with quality and fun in mind instead of graphics and outsell most if not all AAA UE4-5 titles 10to1 so profit margins are much higher. They have over $11B in revenue this year with 7K employees. Meanwhile Ubisoft has over 21K employees and their revenue this year is $1.6B.
Nintendo really is a big middle finger ti other companies, I love it. Not that they don’t their fair share of bs
@@sagelink2 I’ve been saying this for years! People keep talking about CEO salaries and other such nonsense and I’m sitting here looking at superfluous game design wondering how much that noise cost the studio.
Like a lemon, they juice you, get their lemonade, and discard you with no remorse.
Or the lemons are rotten and you need to throw them out.
If the lemons were rotten you wouldnt have bought them to begin with @@Garoslol
@@noobndenial7551 Lemons rot with time even when you get them fresh. At some point rotten lemons need to be thrown out.
@@Garoslol if we are using that as a basis than the real rotten lemons are the higher ups and we all know they never get replaced
@@noobndenial7551 The recent failed games have shown what lunatics the devs and people employed by the company are. The rot can be anywhere in any company.
I picked up Visions of Mana before realizing that most staff were laid off by Netease before the launch of that game as well. It's unfortunate that now devs aren't going to see the launch of their game and that's pretty disheartening. It is going to make moral go down and that will effect the games in a negative way as well.
There’s obviously solid talent at that studio but was a remaster of such a recent game really the best use of resources? It seems like a top level bad decision.
Remember to blacklist publishers from withdrawing your money.
The main problem is that execs are convinced that the more money you invest the more money it brings you, when the reality is that the consumers' money is limited and most people will choose something relatively meaningful rather than bland slop
"made redundant" no dude you're FIRED
Dont think you get it
@@zelohendricks51 explain
Just classic corpospeak
I did always think Studios would try and get projects in the pipeline in advance like for example Preproduction starting on the next project while production is on the current and then they gradually move people across on the next as production wraps on the current.
Hey Luke any chance of you talking about Bioware and EA's ATROCIOUS approach to their recent Dragon Age previews, spoiler wise? A lot of the excited community got really angry over how they've been dropping significant spoilers for early and mid-game events/battles/companion backstories, so much so that some have gone on to release "edited" versions of previews to take out the worst bits, or are refusing to watch any preview material past the initial reveal in June. I wonder how all this looks from a more casual fan's perspective, and how in general what you think the responsibility is of studios and publishers to not spoiler things to what extent when trying to build hype.
Because the project is done. This happens in every industry.
Yeah, I don't think this is weird at all.
Construction companies don't hire workers just to build a building and then fire them when the building is done being built When the building is done being built they ... move them to a different building.
Shocking I know.
Usually devs are allowed to stay and make the next project with the same company...?
@@Athasin Different industry there buddy.
Shocking, I know.
@@Random-js6ci Still applies, I know.
And Nintendo still have the same dev teams
Thats why their games are so good🔥
@@Atreus-j6r yup. Great fun games that don’t cost hundreds of millions
@@angelgomez7081 but they do
Maybe if they made Until Dawn 2 instead of a remake of a game that everyone remembers every story beat of, they wouldn't have to do this.
Everyone right considering theres billions who havent played the game lmao you literally apart of the 5% at most and thats pushing it
Im sure if Until Dawn wasn't a PlayStation exclusive and just a general video game for all consoles, we probably would've gotten a sequel. However, with PlayStation having control over Until Dawn, they prevented Supermassive Games from making a sequel.
Luke consistently makes perfect sense in explaining the ins and outs of gaming industry top marks sir
I know America has shitty protection for employees, but I didn't know the UK was the same. No wonder they aren't part of the EU anymore.
I was laid off from my first job in the industry right before our game launched more than 15 years ago. This isn't anything new, and it still sucks.
Which game?
@@Kyle15672 Golden Axe: Beast Rider.
@@ageoftheatom154 Have you worked on new games?
@@Kyle15672 Yeah, mostly mobile game stuff you probably haven't heard of. Pays the bills though, and is probably more stable than the AAA console game market.
@@ageoftheatom154 Yeah, especially with all the layoffs that's been happening.
Since the AAA market is getting so risky for those who works on those games, I wonder if a massive move to Indy/AA games would/should happen.
If you do not fire peple if they do a bad job. More people won't care about doing a good job or being good at their job if there are no consequences.
Why did they do a Until Dawn remake? That game isn't even that old. So many other games deserve a remake.
@@homebass3426 it’s almost 10 years old now.
@@chase-2200 The ps4 was out by then. The graphical difference between ps4 and ps5 isn't large enough to warrant a remake (imo, which is why I said it hasn't been long enough)
Not to mention the thousands of other games that are older that deserve a remake.
Recent media is nothing but sequels, spin-offs and remakes. Very few have fresh ideas.
@@homebass3426 meh, I kinda like the idea of a remake. It would give me another reason to play again. I think remakes are usually needed, unless the game is technologically very outdated.
The only part about this remake I care about is a PC version, other than I don't give a shit about that they remake it. Atleast they said they add some new extra scenes which is always good if done right, it can add more to the lore.
Laying off before the game even comes out. That's some faith in their product.
Sounds like they were temperary hires
"The thing is, Bob, it's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care. It's a problem of motivation, all right? Now if I work my ass off and Initech ships a few extra units, I don't see another dime; so where's the motivation? ...That's my only real motivation is not to be hassled; that, and the fear of losing my job. But you know, Bob, that will only make someone work just hard enough not to get fired."
That movie is so quotable in life....
I think this isn’t just a games industry issue but it’s been really prevalent in the games industry
"I don't want to be milked for everything I'm worth" Luke starting no-nut November early.
Damn. they are not even waiting for the game to launch
I was just going to say, that how can you get the best out of your staff creatively when everyone is terrified on losing their jobs? Security. Hard to think if your in survival mode all the time. So many bad decisions being made in the AAA industry. it's heartbreaking to see so much money wasted, burning out talent, etc. AAA has become extremely risky in the way of trying to play it safe all the time. Yes games are expensive to make, however leadership is the real problem. All the executives continue to fail upwards and I hate it. Don't forget that nobody is too big to fail.
Helldivers worked because it didn’t take itself seriously, was funny, was the lightest lover service game out there, and had memes carrying it on to great success. But it still suffered from the same problems most live service games have.
It's crazy to me that Until Dawn gets a remake while Bloodborne is completely ignored year after year. Sony sucks ass.
How many times now have gamers told a dev every step of the way " We don't want this."? And the company responded with " That just a small group of hater. Or bigot. Or far right." ? These nuts grossly over estimate how many people think like them.
Main development is complete and the game is in final polish phase so the cuts have started. Going to be interesting to see how buggy this is upon release since last minute bugs are unlikely to be addressed.
Sony mandating PC gamers to link to a PSN account. Why would I trust Sony with my personal information when they are far and away the worst when it comes to getting hacked and losing customers credit card and personal information? A Sony one and done game, maybe. Sony live services can GDIAF.
Honestly im just bummed that the remaster changed the whole visual style and tone of the game. Sure it looks "prettier" i guess, but the cold blue darkness of the original has been lost.
Can you imagine the amount of great or awesome games we would have today if we had less live service games/mobile games and more single player games, or just full fully fledged games like we had in the 360 era
"Made redundant" is code these days for AI is replacing the position...
We are edging ever closer to algorithm based interim staffing, even in a creative field like game design.
Thinking the same thing today lol … playing great games but there missing the love that small garage projects have
Layoff's are common these days nothing surprising to hear about that in 2024.
So much self-deception from the money men and the heads of these game studios. (see Bungie)
I wonder how, of course some character design changes would be needed, Concord might have been as a like Call of Duty big single player Guardians story and then some solid MP (not team shooter) on top.
The Solution is too cut the executive’s salaries drastically! They do Almost Nothing. The staff makes the products…
Not enough pre-orders - good.
Looks like games production is heading toward the same model as films where studios hire people per project rather than permenent staff.
I would love to know what the market looks like for games currently. It would be interesting if overall spending on games is up YoY but spending on AAA games is down.
You do realize studios hire contractually in this industry and once the project they hire for is done they cut the people loose? What are they supposed to do? Keep every person they hire even when there’s nothing to work on?
Looks like they are hiring these people as contractors instead of full time employees and once their part is done their contract is terminated.
70€ is waaaay too much. The sales are gonna flop.
I'll pick it up when it's $10 like I did with the PS4 version.
If you work for a corporation you are a CONTRACTOR whether you accept it or not.
why does Luke have two keyboards lol? i just noticed that haha
well he does have two systems. one of the systems is dedicated to do the capturing
I mean, it's not a surprise that this happened, especially to this company, i mean, just look at the lineup of games after until dawn. It's been downhill. even there latest game has been reviewed mixed. Their stories haven't been great and also have been buggy.
They can remake "Until Dawn," which nobody wants and which will net them very little profit, but they still refuse to release Arkham Origins for the PS4, something they have done for every other entry in the Arkham franchise and which people actually want to happen. Good thinking, Sony,
Don't blame executives only, there are a lot of mediocre designers there. Now it's just a survival of fittest. The best companies with the best specialists in their fields will survive. Ballistic Moon probably doesn't have approved project in their pipeline that's why there are layoffs there and doesn't matter that it's happening before launch of remake.
I fundamentally don't understand why they made this remake. I'm guessing it was to train the team for a sequel but it clearly went horrifically wrong - if they are now being axed, I guess so much for the sequel. The game might be technically more advanced but it ends up looking stylistically worse, and destroys the game's night time setting. Did they just read the word Dawn, and not Until. In the end, the game ends up looking adjacent to the original, different and not for the better.
Just tighting up the overhead 😅
And I thought Silent Hill 2 remake was unnecessary
To be fair this is almost the same as every film, tv, and animation studio around the world.
Yes until dawn does need a Remake
We have an 8 year delay for games. We'll get tones of crap coming out soon, because companies are so slow in development now.
I hate to see people lose their jobs, but this game didn't need to happen. Remakes are the laziest form of game development these days. No creativity, it rarely pays off, and nobody was asking for this.
Is it confirmed these aren’t just contracts that aren’t being renewed? PlayStation tends to hire through contracts on top of the employees in the studios.
it’s important to remember this isn’t Supermassive. this is the dev team that did the remaster. Still a bummer, but just wanted to share that.
Surely they’re looking at games like black myth wukong and Elden ring shadow of the erd tree and thinking “hey, we don’t need live service, we just need a good game, then it’ll sell well” - I’d rather they bring back paid dlc post launch like cod map packs and separate dlc addons like Alan wake American nightmare than carry on with these subpar games with the mantra “but look, all content post launch is free, but make sure you buy our skins otherwise we’ll cancel post-launch support in 9-12 months!”
Going to be nice re-experiencing on PS5 😊
This game seems like the most unneeded remake possible. It still looks good and it isn't much of a game in the first place.
I platinumed the original so I loved it. But I gotta ask, who was asking for this remaster? Devs and publishers need to start listening. This might sell well and hope it does just clueless imo
These people were paid for the work they performed . I’m tired of hearing about how people have to like the product they’ve produced because they worked hard on it. These same people take no issue with complaining about their Starbucks order being wrong even though the barista worked hard to produce it. It’s not the product they wanted and they’re allowed to express that; just like we’re allowed to express our dissatisfaction with games.
It’s still baffling to me how these execs really have no idea of how their industry works and the difference of spending between demographics.
I agree and we should go way further. IMHO we have to remove Mobile Games from game industry calculations and from the setting of goals for console and PC games. The mobile game market is mostly just India and China, two markets Western studios can't break into, even if they try really hard, because especially China will have their big companies, like Tencent and NetEase, make a similar game which will get a way louder PR and by default has more platform rights than any Western project ever will have in those markets. So why gaslight each other in the West by always including Mobile into Game Industry calculations for the West?
The only reason people hold onto Mobile Gaming for industry calculations, in my opinion, is that some big games are also on mobile, even when they are originally PC games like Genshin Impact or Fortnite. But that's all a giant self-gaslighting in my opinion. Unless a Western studio truly finds a way to break into the Indian and Chinese Mobile Game markets. Which i highly doubt will ever happen. And until then including Mobile Game calculations is irrelevant and a complete falsification of industry numbers.
This is not a rant against India or China, i love both countries and their cultures and history. Mahatma Gandhi is my hero and Lao Tzu my guide. And i welcome China in the traditional Western game market with Black Myth Wukong, my personal GOTY for this year. We Westerners just have to stop always wanting everything, because we can't have everything! Nobody can have everything!
Many video game companies also pay higher executives way too much (while giving too much credit on shady stakeholders) so it creates inequality within the business and cuts are made on fundamental tools (and staff) needed to create great quality games. Working in the VG industry kind of feels like the orangutan meme trying to build something with one nail and a hand saw at the moment.
all companies do
Some will land on high profile indie team
it's not a live service game, it's a single player game with no after sale service so why would the studio retain the developers?
Think, it's common sense.
Maybe to make another award winning single player game...
Its just a commission project.
Off topic I know this probably won't get attention but if you could talk about Test drive unlimited solar crown in one of your next videos. It's another game that needs to be talked about.
There's plenty of IP'S that haven't even seen any attention for DECADES, they went out of business remaking a game that didn't need it, don't feel a shred of sympathy.
There’s not 12 live service games in development at PlayStation. Concord, Helldivers 2, the cancelled TLoU and Spiderman online games. So there should be 8 left. Including Fair Games and the Horizon live service. So there should be 6 we haven’t heard oh yet. Oh boy. Lets hope the majority get canned before they even get announced
@@jazzifizzleno16 Sony said they canceled half of them, didn't they?
holy sony was going real deep with live service
It's more of an interactive movie than a game. Why would anyone re-buy it? You didn't even need to purchase the game to get all out of it as watching it on YT is just as fulfilling as the "gameplay"
Larian Studios didn’t do that with their devs and look at what they made. Just saying
they shouldve just made a new game why remake a game that's not that old.
They are about to lose more as most including myself are not buying another $70 game for graphical enhancements.
This should of been at most a $20 upgrade
"Made redundant" can only mean..."replaced by AI".
Why a remake? Didn't the original release, like, yesterday?
With these inflated budgets and now engines being more user friendly and can use ai to help.. I have got to think there’s many people at these studios doing nothing or barely anything. Where does all the money go? This was a basic port and apparently it cost too much? wtf
My theory is as the gaming generation grows older, they become more conscious of their spending and are looking more into 40hr+ narratives than dealing with people in Co-op or MMOs. We're just tired mentally and physically and just wanna sit back and fucking enjoy a damn game.
and the issue if they do not buy the devlopers will not make games for them
All they needed to do is just update the game for ps5.
A huge problem with these companies are the devs
Wait, they're remaking Until Dawn? Fucking why?
Well that just makes me even less encouraged to buy this game.
Bro you’re wrong about live service and concord lol people hated the game not live service. Look at hell divers, the first descendant, marvel rivals.
Remake? Its been like 10 years these guys gotta calm down make a new game yall got Until Dawn and The Quarry that's two titles!
When I was under threat of being furloughed during the lockdowns I developed my skills in order to make myself invaluable to my employer. That these people are “redundant” tells me they were never all that valuable in the first place and easily discarded.
This is exactly how the game of capitalism works. It comes for everyone eventually, starting with the poor, now the middle class, now the upper middle class, etc. Everyone is expendable. Does it have to be this way? No, but this is the world that we have created for ourselves, and now we have to sleep in that shitty bed.
This does not bode well for any future projects and something tells me any feedback on gameplay improvements, like personality traits actually impacting which path you take or are forced to take due to AI responsiveness, has fallen on deaf ears.
Regardless of stance, I hope the fired personnel find jobs equal to their talents.
i didn't even know there was going to be an until dawn remake lol wtf
this is even less necessary than the last of us remake
Never understood «Hate playing» jesus there so many great games out there. If u dont like it dont talk about it dont play it. This rage-bait era of YT is a downer and I remember years ago Luke called out Yong Yea for it.
Why do I feel like live service games ruined the gaming industry
It's because they did, due to them offering potentially endless profit and of course that's the wet dream of any greedy executive.
This game didn't need a remake.. it still looks fine. Why do they keep wasting money on such stupid projects. If anything just put out an upscaling patch.. but they probably think it's an easy double dip for more $$$. I really hope they didn't invest much into this.. about to watch the video, guess I'll find out.
This is just Depressing News man. I preferred “Until Dawn” over ALL those other copycats that came after it. It just felt Finished and more thought out. Goddamnit🤦🏾♂️