Why LeBron Is Still Not The GOAT
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
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Congrats LeBron on this amazing achievement. Sorry for lateness on this video as it took a long time to make because it is a long video. LeBron James is better than 99.9999% of those who've ever played in the NBA but he is still not the GOAT. Here is why.
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you're talking nothing but the truth, MJ is still the GOAT.
Goat is stupid, MJ said he didn't play against those players out of his era, so he can't say who is better.
@@yumengyan1520You don't get it. Players don't say it. Everyone else does. It's called being humble and having respect for that game. Let everyone else say who the GOAT is.
@@yumengyan1520 facts!!! this goat 🐐 debate makes no sense air Jordan is more of a killer and the king is a more complete player in every facet of the game and is way more durable in a way bigger package myG!!!
@@tonycrawford3818LGB can beat MJ one on one easily.
@@yumengyan1520 It's called not being an insecure self promoter.
One of the best takes on The G.O.A.T. debate I’ve heard.
Thank you!
I appreciated the open mindedness to not unquestioningly buy into the "it must be between MJ and LeBron" narrative.
@@vultureguy33 I just saw this now but THANK YOU! Most of the people commenting are Jordan fans and as much as I'm on their side, I wouldn't be surprised if a good portion of them didn't actually care to listen to what I had to say and just gave their take on this saying Jordan this Jordan that. He's undeniably better than LeBron but I could argue in favor of Kareem or Bill Russell too.
I appreciate you included Larry Bird in your arguments. I have L Bird higher than LBJ on my top list, due to exactly what you stated.
I also thought about including how Larry Bird told his opponents what he was about to do and would still school them and how he scored 47 in a game while playing left handed but I thought the video is already long enough. That tells me how Larry Bird mastered the art of confidence more than LeBron ever has. LeBron is still a way more confident player than most guys who've ever played like he's obviously way more confident than DeMar Derozan but there are levels to this and LeBron's level of confidence is nowhere near Michael Jordan, Kobe, Larry Bird or Magic Johnson's level.
Bro you’re absolutely delusional and a Lebron hater if you have Bird over him at this point.
4 rings>3 rings
4 FMVP’s>2 FMVP’s
13x All NBA 1st team > 9x
6x All Def > 3x All Def
4x MVP > 3x MVP
19x All Star > 12x All Star
Bird was only better at rebounding and shooting and that’s literally it. Lebron is way more athletic, a better defender at both of their peaks, and averages more points than Bird
@@Jay_draco I can only give LBJ the longevity award against other great. The dude flops, barely play full season, trades his teammates, move from team to team, struggle at free throws and worst of all. He self proclaimed as the GOAT and does the crowning gesture. How f*cking cringy is that?
To me and most people, he hasn't pass Kareem, Kobe and Duncan. And definitely not MJ. I would've given him more respect if he stayed at Cleveland win one or two chips along with his accomplishments.
@@Airlxs23 literally to you maybe, but to most people he passed Kareem, Kobe, and Duncan years ago. Unless you’ve been living under a rock then you know this too. It’s not like you ever see Kareem/Kobe/Duncan vs. Jordan debates. The vast majority of people with any type of basketball knowledge recognize the Lebron is top as of rn. Those guys have a case but it’s just not as strong as Lebron’s. The only guy with a stronger GOAT case than Lebron is Jordan now
Man yaw MFS on that fentanyl!!!!
3 years of college bball + 2 years baseball + 15 years in The NBA = *20* years longevity for Jordan
It wasn't really 15yrs. Year 2 he played like 15 games the year he came back he played 17. So it's effectively like 13
@@nathanmckenzie904 oh
You have a point there but how he dropped 49 and 63 in the first round against the 86 Celtics while lacking help a lot more than LeBron ever did is definitely impressive. He shouldn't get a pass for 18 points on low efficiency when the Bulls got swept but the first 2 games are a way better example of doing all you can against a better team than LeBron ever has. Before anyone says game 1 of the 2018 Finals, how about his 0 points in overtime of that game?
Yup
I'm most disappointed with Bron because his whole career I herd he makes his teammates better or he had no help in Cleveland. . I couldn't tell you who he made better and when he had the opportunity to prove that with ball Ingram and kuzma he literally gave up on them boys and traded that whole squad. Then they all turned around and started balling away from bron I feel like I been lied to his whole career
Or how Chris Bosh went right back to scoring 21 points per game after LeBron left before his blood clots. I've noticed from LeBron Big 3s the 3rd guy always has to really sacrifice a lot when playing with LeBron. I once thought you can say he made Mo Williams and Mario Chalmers better but when looking at their stats, no he didn't at all.
His casual fans always recite "LeBron carried bums in Cleveland" - yet those "bums" won 61 and 66 games with a Top 5 defense and Top 5 3-point shooting...all to cover up LeBrons defensive deficiency and clear the lanes due to a crap outside shooting game. Shoot, Cleveland was actually competitive against the Spurs in 2007 DESPITE LeBron, not because of him.
@@showtimenick824Yep, ask Kevin Love. They wanted him to go away from his strengths and make him a 3-point shooter.
@@bwink23 I will say those weren't championship caliber supporting casts but I do agree the notion that LeBron got no help is very overblown because of what you pointed out.
@@showtimenick824LeBum was so effing close to 2-8 in the Finals including a LeBubble ring, what does "championship caliber" actually mean for LeBum? What does that entail, how much help does he really need lol..We also talking about a dude with 2 LeBronze medals in international competition.
You have facts on top of facts. Never had someone explain in such detail and clarity👏
Thank you! I hope you're able to stay tuned for more and if you want to check out anything I've done in the past, I would definitely love to have you as part of the team! Now I will admit though that when I first started out on UA-cam, I didn't realize a lot of the things I said and you can say I was a prisoner of the moment with the Lakers on a championship run. The Lakers won the championship on my birthday so for that in a year that was otherwise terrible, I'll forever thank LeBron and AD but that doesn't mean I'll lie to my audience. I fully realized how LeBron really only fully buys in when he gets his way after he quit when AD got hurt against the Suns in the playoffs but I should've remembered how he quit after the AD trade fell through in 2019.
@@showtimenick824 I will definitely check out your video catalogue.
Appreciate the truth and your efforts
THANK YOU for going beyond the numbers. It's about time someone actually took a magnifying glass to LeBron's career. Everything you said I already knew and was waiting on someone to actually say it. Thank you.
Thank you for tuning in! I'll admit there was a time when I didn't realize a lot of the things I said. I was never a Bronsexual though. I always rooted for the Lakers and Knicks before ever rooting for LeBron but since LeBron has been a Laker and I've been able to watch him on a regular basis, I started realizing things I didn't realize before and looked back at his Finals losses, I remember laughing when people used Finals record in a GOAT argument but now I know of course it matters. It isn't end all be all but I was the foolish one for not thinking it's a good argument. I at least never defended how bad he was in the 2011 Finals as I remember how terrible he was and all the 4th quarter jokes like it was yesterday, but his other 5 losses, he absolutely deserves to be blamed for too, 2011 was just his worst one out of his 6 Finals losses.
@@showtimenick824blamed for what？
So MJ shouldn’t be blamed for the first round exits without pippen ？
What would happen if Jordan played against those KD warrior teams？
Ever thought of that？
@@showtimenick824I do agree he was terrible in 2011, that was definitely a choke job but the other five, maybe not so much.
If I really wanted to pick one. Year other than 2011 to blame him, it’ll be 2014.
Finals losses do matter but it depends on the situation.
Can Jordan take a bunch of scrubs like Eric snow to the finals？let along winning it. If he can, then I’ll call him the goat
@@楊晟-x5u Another Bronsexual huh? 😂 Watch the video instead of arguing just to argue. I put it all out there for you. Also, did LeBron ever score 63 points in a playoff game or 49 in a playoff game in the same series? There's no way the 86 Bulls without Jordan are as good as any Cavaliers team without LeBron that ever went to the playoffs. Michael Jordan played against plenty of elite teams. What do the KD Warriors have anything to do with how bad LeBron was in his first 2 Finals anyways? Stop listening to dolts like Nick Wright.
@@楊晟-x5u In THAT cupcake Eastern Conference where the Cavs' first 2 opponents were .500 teams and the first round opponent was without 2 of their stars? LMFAO THAT'S A CAKEWALK FOR ANY SUPERSTAR! Of course Jordan would easily make the Finals if he had to go through that! He also most certainly wouldn't get swept by that Spurs team. All 6 times Jordan went to the Finals, he beat far better teams than that version of the Spurs.
There are things that I feel MJ does not get credit for is the fact that he played in a stacked Eastern Conference. People say that his opponents in the finals were weak which feels like the reason why people say that is just because he was never pushed to a game 7 in the finals. He is a big reason why players like Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Patrick Ewing, Reggie Miller, etc have never won a single NBA Championship. He average 30 points in an era that vastly superior than today in terms of defense.
I made a whole video on this too!
This is a real Laker fan right here. You should upload more, brother.
Thank you so much and I would love to but my work schedule has interfered with my ability to upload more. When I have the money to pay someone to edit videos for me, you can fully expect me to upload more.
@@showtimenick824 Could I try it out? I live in a country where our living expenses are significantly lower than in the stateside. Let me know if there's a way I could reach you out.
@@crigonalgaming1258 I'm actually in Japan. I've been here the last 6 years. If you're wondering, yes I do speak Japanese but English is far and away my first language. But you want to edit my videos? If so the links to my social media are in the description of this video so absolutely feel free to hit me up and we can negotiate!
Imagine if Kareem were able to join the league right after high-school.
I actually was about to throw in a segment about that but then couldn't find a way to make that flow with everything else I said in this video. You are right though as he was more than good enough to go straight to the NBA from high school if that were allowed in his day and he had maybe the greatest collegiate career of all-time!
The way kobe went on after shaq, proved to everyone he was a legend, and 1 of the greatest 2 play the game. Period.
Even with Shaq, by 2001 he was easily a top 5 player in the league. Even by 1999, Kobe was a legitimate star and did outplay Shaq in the first 2 games against the Spurs when they got swept out of the 2nd round.
When Kareem broke Wilt's record, he led the Lakers to the Western Conference title. When LBJ passed KAJ's record, the Lakers was in 13th place and may not make it to the playoffs. That's the big difference.
The Lakers also won that game when Kareem broke Wilt's record. I get it that this record is prestigious and that's why I opened up with congratulations and that I do think it's amazing just when it comes to who's the GOAT, no this doesn't hold nearly as much weight as winning championships. That's what Bronsexuals fail to understand even when I said it loud and clear in this video.
LBJ only got there with the refs help over years and years
Funfact... Lebron never had a major injury until AFTER he played his first and only 82 game season. You know the feat that MJ did 9x, and was 1 game shy of that being 10X. Bron's injuries have now plagued him his entire Lakers career. Also not counting this season (22-23), he's missed on average 10 games a season for his past 19 seasons. That may not sound like a lot, but considering 10 missed games x 19 seasons = 190 games missed. That is well over two FULL regular seasons worth of games (164) that he's not played.
And only got the bubble chip because of the plandemic break. I'm sure him or AD would've gotten hurt in that season too if it was in its entirety. I don't bother with the goat debates between MJ and lebron because there isn't one and never was one. Only drummed up by this extremely influenced media. If you saw both their careers, it's plainly obvious Jordan was better. The goat debate in my opinion involves a handful of players. Jordan, Magic, Kareem, Russell.
Not to mention Jordan played all 82 games, 37 minutes a game at 40 years old...and the year before, he played every game at 39 years old until his meniscus tore in his knee...even after that happened, he tried all he could to play on it. What followed were most of the worst games of his career, he didn't care, he tried to play ..Warrior mentality
@@mpound97 We don't actually know what would've happened if the season never got suspended and it's not like everyone played well in the bubble. Giannis and Paul George or Kawhi in that game 7. It definitely was LeBron's least impressive championship out of his 4 though as fans in the stands do make a difference. The Heat were injured in the bubble, they were without Goran Drafic and Bam Adebayo for a couple Finals games. It likely would've been Lakers in 7 if they were healthy and with MJ, I doubt it would've have been more than 5 games even if the Heat were healthy. Rondo was injured in the first round before becoming the glue guy in the championship run though, lets not forget that.
I agree there never was a debate between MJ and Jordan, it's only something the media and the LeBron cult have shoved down our throats. I think your top 4 is definitely solid. Larry Bird and Kobe deserve to be mentioned too and in fact Larry Bird's Easy was tougher than Magic Johnson's West and Larry Bird was a better defender than Magic. Kobe's 2004 Finals loss does kill his GOAT case as much as I love him and 2008 Finals and getting swept by the Mavs in 2011 even though Pau Gasol was more at fault doesn't help Kobe either. Kobe in 2011 vs the Mavs definitely wasn't even close to as bad as LeBron in the 2011 Finals though. Kobe definitely is still an honorable mention for the GOAT but just isn't quite the GOAT.
@@bwink23 I actually am planning to make a video about Michael Jordan's Wizards years someday. I am aware that it's been done as I'm a big fan of Jonny Arnett but I'll have my own spin on it. I never want to plagiarize anyone, especially someone I have a high amount of respect for. I do have his Wizards jersey so I'll wear that when I make the video. His Wizards years are definitely better than he gets credit for.
jordan literally took off seasons mid career . he jus called it retired
well said...i've been saying the same for a long time...I do numbers/stats for a living and I have pages after pages of stats that prove MJ (along with Kareem and Wilt) come up more than anyone else in NBA history (well, as long as stats have been recorded)...MJ is the GOAT and it's not even close!
31:25 Reason why there are so many Kobe fans including myself. Not the most talented player, but he's always working, and he got himself to the point where he's successful both as a player, and as a businessman. Rest in peace bean.
@Cadillac Kadafi Skills from practice, not from talent. Kobe is not the most gifted leaper, not the most gifted shooter, not the most gifted physically, but he worked to get to where he was. Jordan was a great leaper and had huge mitt, Lebron is gifted physically, build like a tank.
@Cadillac Kadafi I don't think he means Kobe isn't talented because just hard work alone can't get you to the NBA. Kobe did outwork everyone to be who he is, which we can all agree on.
AmenI couldn't have said it better
As a Laker fan I can’t believe I’m saying this but I think Lebron at this point is holding us back. No matter what your opinion is, whenever Lebron is gone the Lakers are gonna be horrible so I think we should start rebuilding now to hopefully have a quicker and better rebuild but instead we keep putting it off since Lebron is around.
I'm with you and when LeBron leaves, I will wish him well. Bubble or not, the 2020 championship gave me the best birthday of my life and I even cried both tears of joy and some from still grieving about Kobe and Gigi. Outside of that though, the LeBron era has been a disaster. The Heat weren't in shambles after LeBron left because Pat Riley is no pushover and never let LeBron walk over him. Yes they got worse but they didn't competely crumble the way the Cavs did twice or how the Lakers are about to. I fully realized during LeBron's Lakers tenure that he only really buys in when he gets his way which is very childish of him.
But that's the irony isn't it. The decisions of the Lakers front office to let Lebron choose his support cast and selling the entire franchise to do so is the reason why the Lakers will be rebuilding for years to come. When you have someone like LeBron and AD on your roster you expect not just to win but compete for championships, it's not even a doubt. But reality has not been kind reflecting the failures of Lebron's career in what should've been rather then what was. The mamba mentality of make no excuses for your failures is the pillar of greatness, something LeBron never had and even worse, never bothered to learn.
@@KentuckyWaterfall13 This comment couldn't have aged any better. He took holding this team back to a whole new level this summer with blatant nepotism and getting his podcast buddy with zero coaching experience to coach the team.
Facts even before you I needed no convincing that he is not the goat.
MJ still holds the highest playoff average. For a dude who played less he still scored more than LeBron who went to the playoffs MORE. This is facts. MJ still has more accolades than LBJ and KD combined. Put that into perspective
MJ has more accolades with less help too. Ok I think I'd rather have Scottie Pippen as my running mate than Russell Westbrook but MJ certainly never had the help that KD ever had on the Warriors. MJ never even had a 3rd option as good as 6th man James Harden who was definitely good enough to be the leading scorer on his own team which he proved just one season later, even while I'm much more harsh on James Harden than I am on LeBron, I'd at least say that. Or sure I'd rather have Scottie Pippen than Mo Williams or anyone on those LeBron led Cavs teams from the first 7 years that's not named LeBron but how bad the Cavs supporting cast was in those 7 years does get overblown. Kyrie is definitely a way better scorer than Scottie Pippen ever was but Pippen is also a far better all-around player. However, MJ never had a 3rd best player as good as Chris Bosh or Kevin Love. 2020 Anthony Davis was also better than Scottie Pippen.
MJ : I would never say I'm the greatest ever because Ive never played against the guys that came before me It would disrespectful to them.
Lebron : Hold my White Claw 🍺
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Thank you! You pretty much broke down every reason why I would still take Kobe over LeBron
Which is way more Debatable than that nonsense they try to keep pushing as a debate.
You know what's funny is in around 2006 LeBron actually called Kobe the best player in the game but over the years, LeBron did get very full of himself. At least he did thank other people when he broke the record and did ask the crowd to give Kareem a standing ovation but calling yourself the GOAT, yeah I'm glad I'm not the only one it rubs the wrong way.
For me it’s not like lebron can’t be the goat but the excuses, times he’s stopped trying and lack of accountability just keeps him away from GOAT status
Bingo! And he's not as skilled as some of the past great ones!
VERY comprehensive video! These are exactly the same points I have been making for many, many, many, many years. LeBron is the most overrated athlete in NBA history. His own peers don't like him, former NBA players don't like him but are forced to talk about him because of a paycheck, and LeBron will never escape the shadow of Jordan and Kobe Bryant. Kobe Bryant won five out of seven NBA titles. Michael Jordan won six out of six. And LeBron has only won 4 out of 10, losing to Steph Curry, his NBA peer, three times out of four appearances. There is absolutely no way he can be goated when his peer has beat him three times! I'm sorry but personally I feel like LeBron is nothing but a big joke. I know his fans hate to hear stuff like that, but in my eyes and someone who's actually coached this game and played it since I was 11, I have never seen a dude like him as athletically talented as LeBron has been in his career, who needs so much help, need so many players, needs so much from the refs, Adam Silver, and anybody else that can help him out, only to win four out of 10 NBA titles many of them having an asterix behind them. What a joke of a legacy. Hearty...har....har.😒
I appreciate your comment and your input! I at least got one hater comment but ok if anymore of his fans see this one which I have a feeling they will, oh they'll definitely get butt hurt! 😂 Especially the joke of a legacy part because I definitely didn't go that far. I agree he shouldn't need as much help as he gets for how athletically gifted he is. Sure everyone needs help but you also have to make your teammates better which he doesn't and he started the whole super team movement. I actually don't know about his all of his peers hating him because he and Dwyane Wade are tight. His teammates actually usually do praise him but there are definitely some that did not enjoy playing with him like Kyrie Irving, but funny how Kyrie has wanted to reunite with LeBron. We saw Brandon Ingram yell "LeBrick at the end of a Lakers-Pelicans game last year, that should tell us all we need to know about gow Brandon Ingram feels about LeBron quitting on the team after a failed attempt at trading him and then LeBron actually getting him traded that summer. Funny enough there was a time when I used to think a lot of the things I said in this video was hating. At least not the 2011 Finals because I saw him fold with my own eyes and remember the all the 4th quarter jokes. I used to praise LeBron a lot more than I do now but I was at least never a a Bronsexual. I at least never rooted for him over the Lakers or Knicks. When I got to see him more since he became a Laker is when I started to see the reality about LeBron. Particularly when he quit against the Suns in 2021. Although I at least do remember calling him out for his bad body language on a facebook post during his second stint with the Cavs, I really realized it's a bad habit of LeBron since he became a Laker not just a once in a while thing. Wilt may have a losing record in the Finals too and him not winning enough is why I don't consider him the GOAT but at least he lost to much better teams than LeBron has ever faced in the Finals including the KD Warriors.
@@showtimenick824 Yeah. I hate it for true Lakers fans. And I like the Lakers. I just hate what LeBron has brought to a global brand organization. We'll see...lol
@@wizmanballin8498 I've loved the Lakers since I was 7 years old and I'm 29 now. It makes me sick how much the LeBron cult has poisoned our fanbase. Especially Shannon Sharpe, the way he fanboys LeBron while sitting courtside. How he wasn't banned from the arena after what happened against the Grizzlies is beyond me. I don't like Skip Bayless either but guaranteed if Skip Bayless did this to LeBron while courtside, he would've been kicked out and banned.
@@showtimenick824 Absolutely. Lebron has tons of people paid off to be his hype train. When he leaves the league, I think we'll all breathe a bit easier...lol. It's also rumored Adam Silver may be leaving the NBA next year to go to Disney...so we'll see.
LeBron is also personally responsible for his Defensive assignments and players guarding him to receive Finals MVP lol (Iggy, Kawhi, KD twice). Not my GOAT
Wow!! Best debate I ever heard.
Thanks! What's crazy is even in 43 minutes, I feel like I could've said more but just already found the video to be long enough but I'm really glad you and many others enjoyed this video! I think it was absolutely worth it to put in as much time as I did into making this video!
@@showtimenick824You can chop this up and make shorts
Finally, another logical perspective, and person that gets it. I still wonder how can he pass Kareem, when he shouldn't even be a top 8 player. Too many other great players deserve to be mentioned before LeBron James. I'll leave the rest of this to you. Good job, and a new subscriber for telling me the truth.
Welcome to the team! Would you say he's a top 10 player though? If yes and I find it hard to exclude him from my top 10 myself but I definitely get not having him as top 8 as I asked the audience if you think we should rank Tim Duncan, Hakeem Olajuwon, Shaq and Jerry West too. Sure Jerry West's Finals record is worse and that's why he's not the GOAT but between him and LeBron, we have to look at the bigger picture. Jerry West was easily better on defense for a longer period of time. He made all 5 of his All-Defensive Teams in his last 6 seasons as All-Defensive Teams didn't exist until his last 6 seasons. Jerry West averaged 40 points per game throughout a playoff run which he probably wouldn't do today with more games and not as fast paced but that's still insane no matter what era it is. Jerry West was also definitely more finesse and had a better jump shot. Jerry West also had a very Kobe and Jordan like pump fake in his arsenal. Lastly about the Finals record, Bill Russell's Celtics were better than all of LeBron's playoff and Finals opponents including the KD Warriors and I think the 1970 and 73 Knicks absolutely have an argument over the KD Warriors too. So yeah I think I made a pretty argument for Jerry West over LeBron here. What do you think?
Respect to you for spitting all them Kobe facts. Both the good and the bad. You are a real one.
I appreciate you bro!
You can still make an solid argument for Kareem over LeBron on the All-time list AND better longevity. Kids today in this paddy-cake NBA want someone so bad to hold onto. LeBron over Jordan is not even a discussion, Jordan had to retire twice and give away 4 to 5 productive years just for anyone else to even be talked about.
The argument is way beyond solid. If anything, Kareem's longevity is more impressive.
@@mpound97I agree, Kareem averaged 78 games played a year all the way to 41 years old...on top of 3 UCLA championships in college as the focal point of every defense in his college and his prime NBA years. Finals MVP at 38. Still has played more games than LeBron. And after this year, LeBron will have averaged only 55 games a year the last 5 years. Kareem can't even spell load management.
I actually did record a part about Kareem's high school and UCLA career but then couldn't figure out how to include it and have it go with the flow of the video is why I didn't end up including that segment. Also editing a video I spent a whole hour recording for my first take only to cut it down to 43 minutes sure was a lot of work too.
“Kids today” 😂 you old heads are the only ones holding onto things for dear life. Todays nba is much more talented than in the past. That’s just how it works. The 20th best player of today would be a top 5 player in the past.
@@F76CC You are an idiot and a loser.
If you have eyes, you shouldn't need this in depth analysis and breakdown, but thank you for doing it bro, alot of blind fools out here apparently... doin the lawds work 😂
That Wilt injury would knock Kawhi out of the game for two years. All while getting his full paycheck of course. It’s his MO.
So true!
2:57 Careful now. You going to get all the Lebron simps butthurt, LMAO 😂🤣.
BronCels
It didn't take long. Look at Zack's comment LOL.
@@showtimenick824 Bron Stan’s are more obsessed of their lord and savior than Justin Timberlake was with Brittany Spears. 😂🤣
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You killed this sh!t 💯💪🏽 love the breakdown
When he quit in the 4th quarter against the Celtics is when I lost all respect for him
@@iraelliott8936 He really doesn't get enough criticism for that. I rewatched it recently enough to know it was called out in the broadcast too. I don't know when I'll do it, but one day, I may make a separate video on that. There's just so many other topics for me to want to make videos on too and not even just with basketball.
The biggest difference between the two, and what really defines greatness imo, is that MJ made a team a superteam (Made his teammates a lot better even if they were average), while LeBron needs already established superstars to make a superteam. I’m a soccer fan, so I’m not too well-versed in Basketball, but this principle rings true for soccer too. The greatest soccer players make everyone around them better, they don’t need a team of world class players to win trophies.
Anyways. Great vid, loved the content and was very entertaining despite me having to google some things so I could understand 😂 but that’s because I’m a soccer guy.
Thanks bro! Everyone has their own definition of a super team. Mine is team with 2 superstars and an All-Star or 2 with player collusion involved. So with MJ, Pippen was also homegrown and MJ never asked for Dennis Rodman. Rodman came because the Spurs were desperate to get rid of him because he became such a distraction to the team. Rodman also only made 2 All-Star Games and those were with the Pistons in 1990 and 92. I don't consider the 2008 Celtics a superteam because that team was built organically. I'm not a soccer guy but I have been told what you said about soccer before.
@@showtimenick824 Oh I agree! I meant making a superteam in the way that even if the others on the court weren’t world-class individually, MJ made them be (even if they weren’t after MJ switched teams). Also, as you mentioned, he helped develop Pippen among others to be great. Ngl, I’m still not fully sure about Rodman and what he’s done (I hadn’t heard about him before 😂) but he sounds like a trash teammate. IMO, it’s kinda sad what’s happening to sports nowadays. I feel like many of them are becoming a lot worse. They’re turning into businesses, and it’s a huge problem in soccer as well as basketball. We don’t have the level of world-class players that we used to.
Jordan is a superior level . No way to compare Jordan with someone else, the closest player died ,was kobe
Everyone keeps saying Jordan Jordan Jordan, like you guys know I mentioned other players too that I think are bettet than LeBron or at the very least have an argument.
Great video! Not even Nick Wright or Shannon Sharpe could argue against any of these points lol. Lebron shouldn't be in the goat convo because he's been caught purchasing peds in 2013.
Thanks for the compliment. I didn't hear anything about him actually getting caught purchasing PEDs though but I'd rather not comment on that because I don't want to end up getting sued. PEDs or not though, he never was anything close to being the GOAT.
Holy cow i spoke too soon.. your KILLING THIS..HEADS ARE EXPLODING
I mean you read the title of the video right? 😂
Excellent breakdown, by far the best "formal" roast ever on LeRetire.
I appreciate it! Well I didn't even try to really roast him, just tried to keep it as real as I can and not appeal to Gen Z's who don't know a lick of basketball but I'm really appreciative of the fact that you enjoyed my video!
@@showtimenick824 Sure thing, I will mention you in our upcoming videos. Thanks for replying!
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@@showtimenick824 appreciate the love fam! where are you from by the way?
I was born in Japan, raised in New York, I've been back in Japan the last 6 years.
Love the video. Watched it atleast 5 times in the last 3 days. Also loved the video regarding the finals opponents MJ faced as well. There is a VERY comprehensive blog detailing every thing about MJ. Everything people try to bring up to bring him down. The 1-9, the expansion era, the zone defenses and his wizards years to include a few. A few other good noteworthy things include a full detailed breakdown of MJ vs Kobe, Mj vs Lebron as well as the fact that how MJ would have fared against LBJs finals opponents as well as his playoff opponents win % and overall playoff strength. MJ is the ONLY player to win MULTIPLE championships with a below 60 point supporting cast(not sure if its 60 or not. Its been a while since I read it) He also has 4 out of the top 15 spots in overall playoff strengths along with the lakers. But MJs playoff series is higher. People give credit to LBJ for leading both teams in every stat. Well. Hakeem did that for THE ENTIRE PLAYOFF SERIES. FROM START TO FINISH. MJ is THE ONLY other player to come even close to that. I think he was 8 rebounds away from leading his entire team in all stats for the entire playoff series in 1997
The blog name is called Nobodytouchesjordan. It also details how MJ did when he faced sub 90 defenses. And how the allegedly "more atheletic, bigger, jumps higher" dudes from the present era did against the "old washed up burger sellers and plumbers" of the 90s
5 times in the last 3 days wow! Well thank you for spending that much time watching this! Only someone without a brain could possibly use 1-9 without Pippen against Jordan. This has been debunked way too many times already. At the end of the day, who won is what matters. I promise you Jerry West was never happy with winning Finals MVP for the losing team. He just didn't show it in the manner we saw in Winning Time. I'll check out that blog for sure. Thanks for the recommendation!
"I'll push myself to exhaustion" Legendary. Kobe never gave up. My all time favorite. MJ the goat. Kobe Second
Also Lebron is the GREATEST coach killer EVER…how many coaches has this man had??? Also HOW MANY players have been trade to appease him…about 100 players…He shouldn’t have been rookie of the year, either that should have been Melo…averaged more points and rebounds, higher shooting % and made the playoffs IN THE WEST…Not only is lebron NOT the greatest, I don’t have him in my top 5…to me he’s around 7 or 8 arguably. The man is 4-6 with superteams in a soft era…
Agreed about the coach killer! Look at Mike Brown in Sacramento right now and LeBron made him look terrible even while Mike Brown was a top tier defensive coach in Cleveland. He only didn't get Spoelstra fired because Pat Riley is not a pushover and wasn't willing to let LeBron walk all over him. You have seen the clip of LeBron bumping into Spo on his way to the bench early in his stint with the Heat right? That told me LeBron already thought he's bigger than Dwyane Wade's team that he just joined even though Dwyane Wade already has carried them to a championship with a Finals performance for the ages. Or how LeBron got David Blatt fired a year after the team made it to the Finals. He made Ty Lue look bad too but Ty Lue has done a poor job this year. I won't go by recency bias though as we have to acknowledge Ty Lue did do a great job in his first year with the Clippers but perhaps he's only good when he doesn't have pressure. At least without pressure, Ty Lue is capable of being more than a puppet. Last but not least, while yes Frank Vogel has his faults as a coach and proved to not be the most versatile, he was also set up to fail by the horrible roster construction last year. If given the right personnel, Frank Vogel is a great coach and he proved that in Indiana and during the 2020 championship run. Frank Vogel was clicking on all cylinders with his gameplans and adjustments during that championship run.
Absolutely! Also he got his first coach Paul Silas (RIP) fired as well as Luke Walton…Lebron is NOT as popular or loved as he thinks he is. Curry is more popular and kids are imitating his style of play, not LeBron’s. Him getting booed at the superbowl and the fact that at the top 75 ceremony he wasn’t anywhere near the center of attention tells a lot. Thanks for this video, Nick. This was a very complete assessment on this topic!
Also, you’ve earned a sub from me…very impressive content here!
@@NYNJ1974 Thank you so much! Your support means a lot! Welcome to the team!
Yeah, i have him 6th, with 3 players just below i can seriously put over him with a good argument.
Also, when Pippen hid that he delayed his surgery and surprised his team by not being available for 38 games: 25-13, and most of the 13 was in the first 20 games.
I don't think that really gets talked about. 1-9 in the playoffs without Pippen is what does get talked about and that's why I had to attack how stupid it is to use that against Jordan without any context. You're right that it does show Jordan was easily more significant to the Bulls' success than Scottie Pippen could ever dream of.
This is crazy i literally agree with everything you said. And i like the breakdown of information you not just speaking an opinion.
Thank you for the video! Was excellent!! The part where kobe is giving an interview after he had just lost and says something about we could come up with a million excuses but we wont do that! Then he gives the other team the praises for winning, and says the next season starts right now! And he meant it! Now that is class!! Something leflop will never know anything about! Thanks again for the video!! Keep cookin!! 😊
@@AdamsGuitarsAndCases I'm glad you enjoyed this video that took me 3 weeks to finish making. 😂 I really do though. A more recent video I made Why The Nuggets OWN The Lakers but it doesn't have nearly as many views, I exposed LeBron's excuse making there again. Blaming the replay center when his team blew a 20 point lead and he's the one who missed that wide open 3 right before Jamal Murray hit that buzzer beater. 🤦🏻 This applies to all aspects of life. Losers find excuses, winners find a way. Kobe averaged 32 while Shaq averaged 25, Rick Fox was hurt and didn't play, Robert Horry and Brian Shaw shot under 30% in that series, and still not one excuse from Kobe.
Finally a truthful video with context no misleading narrative.
I appreciate the love bro! Gotta do what I gotta do! Some people are just helpless but hopefully this video can help some people come to their senses.
MJ was always the Goat .. Media is manipulated every little fanboy / girl and content … but in the END anyone who really knows the game knows MJ is the GOAT
I think I can still make an argument for Bill Russell or Kareem. Definitely not LeBron though. The media wants to make it between Jordan and LeBron because they're popular and that's how they get ratings, but in reality the gap between them is enormous and LeBron is not even second to Jordan, Russell or Kareem.
33:33 This is why I am not a fan of a lot of the players today. I get it, players are worth too much to risk their health nowadays, but I don't like the mentality of "Sprained ankle? Well we'll try again next season", and when next season comes, "A cramp? This season is a washed, we'll be better next season". Players today are reserving themselves for the next uncertained season instead of playing for this season.
Well said bro and even modern players themselves like Anthony Edwards has spoken out about it and even Paul George too because the Clippers' medical staff is beyond overly cautious! It's more understandable with Kawhi because he does have a chronic injury but Paul George should not load manage. People need to realize you're always at risk of injury any time you play any sport at any level! I haven't played in a basketball game in over a week, I played today, I tweaked my ankle and shoulder and badly jammed my thumb. I thought my thumb was fine and kept playing but it very suddenly started feeling stiff. I swear my name is not Anthony Davis! 😂
@@showtimenick824 PG13 also said resting too much makes you more injury prone in his opinion, because your body is not built up properly to sustain the hard long grind of the regular season. Load management weakens the body.
Dam your good, and on point, about your takes. Yes no other players have ever been treated like this for failing, in the finals. Never mind that he lost to the older Dallas Mavericks. Too many times he has way way too much help for an so called elite basketball player. Unreliable when your team needs a leader, lackluster skills in the clutch, plays no defense, has been given the benefit of the doubt for too long. How are you able to be ranked higher than your contemporaries, like Stephen Curry, whom has 4 rings just like you, has had less help, is smaller than you, yet able to impact a game as a little guy.
I will say LeBron has had his moments of being clutch too like game 6 vs the Celtics in 2012 when facing elimination but this was also when the Celtics were aging. He does have more playoff game winners than MJ but MJ had more off the dribble game winners which anyone who knows basketball knows are harder to make. LeBron has been a great defender before but his second stint in Cleveland no he wasn't. He started playing any defense at all again in 2020 and then 2021 until he hurt his ankle but since then his effort on defense has been abysmal. If Jerry West and Elgin Baylor didn't get praised like this for always losing in the Finals, why should LeBron right?
All solid takes Nick. Fellow Lakers' nation member here...
I'll add that I think alot of basketball and sports fans in general confuse the notions of Greatest and Best which misguides how they evaluate G.O.A.Ts
Greatest is relative, Best i.e. 'most skilled at something' is absolute
e.g. Babe Ruth is so far the greatest baseball player of all time by general consensus in the U.S. and around the world but he's far from having been the best ever at it. The absolute numbers clearly tell us that Barry Bonds has been the best 'most skilled' to have laced them up so far
Other e.g., Mohammed Ali is widely considered to be the greatest boxer of all time around the world. Sugar Ray Robinson has been the best boxer so far in pro boxing based on absolute numbers
In the case of MJ, he has been the greatest player and also the best at it so far based on his individual and team absolute achievements but also the discrepancies in how much and on how many instances he dominated his league compared to the greatest players he played with during his prime years and, the greatest peaks before and after him
LeBron was the greatest 2-way power forward of his era during his prime years but he's not the greatest player of all eras when you compare his domination to that of other greatest peaks across different eras (Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, Kareem Abdul Jabar, Elgin Baylor, etc.)
All great points. Just be careful because the fan police Bronsexuals are out to get us. 😂
@@showtimenick824 Bhahaha smh
Dope channel ill be watching
Thank you! I'll be sure to watch your content too!
LeBron has 2,700 3 pointers Kareem has shot 1 .and I do not believe that he would not have as many points playing 70s80sor 90s .
Definitely not with those rules and in the early 70s, you weren't allowed to go from high school straight to the NBA, but because LeBron got to do that, he had a head start.
Thank you for the Larry Bird argument. Dude had one of the top 5 NBA peaks (in my opinion) among players.
I was actually also about to add how Larry Bird played an entire game left handed and scored 47 and also how he would tell his opponents what he's about to do and still destroy them. LeBron is more confident than Dear DeRozan, Paul George, or Ben Simmons but there's levels to this and LeBron never matched MJ, Kobe or Larry Bird's level of confidence. Larry Bird was also way better off the ball.
This was one of the best commentaries on why Lebron is not the Goat I've ever heard. 👏🏾 👏🏾 👏🏾
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Bro you’re spitting straight facts I’ve never seen a more detailed explanation.
Thank you! At least most of you who clicked on this video get it! Sadly some people well obviously Bronsexuals don't get it and never will.
@@showtimenick824 they’re a very weird bunch. Always trying to gaslight people into thinking lebron is the greatest thing since sliced bread. I try to steer clear of them (including talking heads like Shannon sharpe and nick Wright).
@@AppleJacksCereal They are the last group of people I ever want to appeal to but of course they'll come here to argue just to argue.
Great Take
Thank you!
@18:11-18:20 is facts. I told someone giving Jordan the Russell Westbrook treatment if he played in today's game would be a huge defensive mistake. If I were the coach for the opposing team, I'm cussing that entire team out for that 😂.
Pete rose got the most hits and 3 rings in 24 years. That doesn’t mean he’s the goat of baseball.
He's not even the best singles hitter, that's Ichiro.
Him not being in the Hall of Fame is absolutely still a travesty though. But yeah his .303 career batting average is great but Tony Gwynn hit .338 for his whole career. Winning definitely impacts basketball legacies more than baseball because there's less players on a basketball team and you're involved in every play in basketball unlike in baseball where you only bat 3-5 times a game and the ball is not always hit or thrown to you or for pitchers, run support is not something a pitcher is in control of. Winning also matters more for a basketball player than a football player's legacy because you have to play both sides of the ball in basketball and you don't in football. Winning does matter in baseball and football though just not as much as it does for basketball when talking about an individual player's greatness. Pete Rose does have a career .321 postseason batting average and .388 career postseason on base percentage so that should definitely elevate his legacy though.
@@showtimenick824 Rose had almost 1,200 more hits than Gwynn.
@@showtimenick824 Rose and Shoeless Joe are tied together for me. They committed the same crime under the rules and are both Hof worthy. I cant justify one in without the other, because of that
@@greenhillscustomlawncarell1139 True in 4 more seasons. Pete Rose's hit record is probably unbreakable. I love baseball too and there's plenty of baseball content on here too if you want to check that out. Basketball is my favorite sport though but what's interesting is my most viewed videos are baseball videos.
Kobe, Shaq, Bird, Hakeem, all over Lechok the joke 😂😂😂
If you take all the three-pointers LeBrons made and make them two 2 point shots, would he have had passed Kareem record I don't think so.
That's probably true.
Everything u said is absolutely right. Why isn’t Karl Malone higher on the goat list. Even if he’s got more points than MJ.
It’s about the rings, stats, and how u played the game.
Lebron got 1 82 game season.
That’s not goat status
I watch the new games.
There are NO LEBRON RULES, They have wide open courts, no defense at all, easy layups and dunks.. Jordan was double teamed, beat, cloth lined and he still scored and won most of this games.
Jordan was hand checked too and had to play with no defensive 3 seconds or freedom of movement. I'm sure if he was mugged like MJ was, he would've retired a few years ago.
This was very enlightening. Not that I ever thought passed LeBron at 22 years old when he looked like he could become the goat but I did have him ranked right behind MJ and now I am not sure I would even consider him number two after this video.
I'm glad I was able to give you some insight that you didn't have before! I'll admit I actually had LeBron at number 2 when I started this channel but then I really looked further back on LeBron's career and realized how many of his playoff failures were absolutely his fault. The 2011 Finals is the only one that really gets remembered but you have to dig deeper than the stats to see it. For Bill Russell and his 11 rings, I could've also mentioned that he's 10-0 in game 7s for his career!
@@showtimenick824 The fact you could do this without your generation's "presentism" is very impressive. I have been trying to be open to the idea that my "Nostalgia" was preventing me from not seeing what my son who is your age is saying about LeBron. Instead after hours of videos like yours, I am more convinced then every MJ is still the GOAT! I did also learn more about guys like Russel and West who do not get enough credit today and were playing while I was in my teens and not really paying attention. So regardless if my son and I can agree or not this was fun and edifying. Keep up the good work Nick.
@@AlanBennett866 Maybe your son be convinced with this too. I hope you get a chance to check out my other videos too. Once the Nuggets win the championship, I have 2 videos I plan to make on them.
@@showtimenick824 I watched a few more of your videos today and liked and subscribed.
@@AlanBennett866 I really appreciate it! Welcome to the team!
Mate you know your soccer. What an amazing summary of stats and backing up your argument succinctly :)
What are you talking about? In what world does basketball even look remotely like soccer? Are you blind?
@@showtimenick824 bahhaha mate I'm not taking the p1ss at you, this is sort of a saying where I am which means you know your sh*t/stuff inside out. I grew up watching 90s and early 2000s basketball and am well aware players with current stats don't stack up to the rules from 70s to 90s and there was cut throat aggression, now they play soft till the play-offs.
@@afb8370 Well thank you but come on, you really told me I know soccer on a basketball video? You will never see me talk about soccer on UA-cam because no I don't know soccer at all. Thanks for the compliment though but please get the right sport next time.
@Showtime Nick Chief it's a saying like you know your thing, soccer in the sentence is just a metaphor. Overall I just wanted to mention your content and research is top notch. You'll get more subscribers like that Basketball Time Machine and Yougala channel.
@@afb8370 I never heard that metaphor before. To me that sounds like you're literally talking about soccer but ok thanks for the compliment! I only haven't uploaded much because I've had another job for the past year. I never heard of Yougala but I love Basketball Time Machine.
Next step for LeBron fans is to call him the GOAT because his total points in the play-in tournament is higher than MJ’s
LMFAO 🤣🤣🤣🤣
He rests every defensive play… and offensive play if he doesn’t actively have the ball. Opponents don’t defend him, they don’t care if he shoots and he lowers his shoulder driving and rarely gets called for offensive fouls… so a lot of time teams try to get out of his way. And GOATs don’t fall to the ground every time they attempt a layup. If he doesn’t get a call he couldnt even theoretically play D. Lol cramps, MJ played with a broken foot his rookie year against the 86 Celtics… he truly believed he could will the team to win and it was worth it. He was wrong and that was stupid and wreckless but my god, what heart.
This is gold, you are spitting facts. Just earned yourself a sub
Thank you! Welcome aboard!
The thing people miss about the all time scoring list is MJ played 4 to 5 years less than everyone else in the top five and maybe top ten. And if you take into account he had two seasons where he only played about 35 games combined its like 7 years less. He is still the superior scoring with the highest ppg in history and 10 scoring titles 7 in a row and 6 times while three-peating twice. It aint close more accolades in less time and in dominate fashion.
Great job, honeslty u did ur research and ur showcased it 👍
Thank you!
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I've been saying that Bron isn't the goat. Yes, I'm a heat fan I gave him credit for winning those two titles for us. I just didn't like how he said not 4, not 5, not 6, I never seen someone quit as much as him
If you were a fan of any other team, you probably would've rooted against LeBron for the way he went about "The Decision" right?
@showtimenick824 of course. I wasn't a fan of the heat because of lebron I was a fan before he came to us.
@@RightHandKam And I have a ton of respect for that. Being a Lakers fan, those who root for whatever team LeBron plays for, ok I won't say they're bad people just because of that but they have poisoned the Lakers fanbase being the delusional and toxic basketball fans that they are. I don't consider them one of us and I'm sure you felt that way too when he played for the Heat.
@showtimenick824 feeling is mutual. Honestly, I just don't like how his fans and the media are still hyping him up, I don't have him as the goat. I have him 7 or 8 on my top 10 of all-time. Respectfully I have curry knocking on the door at 11
I can name 5 players that's better than Bron. T-Mac, Allen Iverson, Kobe, Michael Jordan, Shaq.
At least Bron got one thing right .. not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7 Nba Championships
🤣🤣 I would be really happy if he was right about that for the Lakers though and if by some miracle that does happen, then I might actually give him more consideration for the GOAT but realistically thinking, that's likely not happening.
So happy u addressed Jamison n others his first stint in Cleveland superteams spoiled fans when it comes to help n Larry still better shoutout to u my boy
Or also Larry Hughes averaged 22 points per game in Washington in 2005 but that dropped down to 15 while playing for the Cavs. Before anyone says what do you expect when LeBron is supposed to score more well 1 that's even more proof he's not pass first, 2 Larry Hughes had Gilbert Arenas and Antawn Jamison on his team. Maybe I should've mentioned that too or if anyone wants to say he made Mo Williams better, Mo Williams' averages were about the same before he went to the Cavs as they were with the Cavs.
@@showtimenick824 he was decent after Lebron also Mo wasn’t no slouch n also Bron had Boozer his rookie year as well I know that’s not saying much but Carlos was pretty good yet better after Cleveland so yeah….how tf he make guys better or a pass first lol bro is good but a fraud as well
@@qdontae6 As much I don't want my whole channel to be revolve around criticizing LeBron even if that'll get me a lot of views, I may make a whole video really going in detail about LeBron does not make his teammates better since I didn't get in detail as much as I could've but this video was already really long.
Excellent breakdown. I would love for you to do a video on the top ten greatest NBA players of all time. I rank Michael Jordan, Kareem Abdul Jabber, Magic Johnson and Kobe Bryant above LeBron James.
That's a nice idea and I'm glad you're enjoying my content. I know some people will love it and some people will hate it if I ever do that video bht you know what it's all my opinion. I completely agree with you on those guys being better and I'd add Bill Russell that list, probably Larry Bird and Wilt Chamberlain as well over LeBron.
Great video. Lebron should get the blame because every team he’s played on uses his ball dominsnt system. He gets all the credit when his teams barely win. He’s gonna get the blame when his teams lose. His system is a loser just like him
I appreciate the support! I often get the LeBron hater label when I'm not the one calling him a loser. 😂 I have called James Harden a loser though. Well ok they're both way better at basketball than we'll ever be but by NBA standards. I couldn't agree more that he gets all the credit when his team barely wins and with that being the case he absolutely deserves a share of the blame when his team loses too. I'm not a fan of his heliocentric style at all that only works with a star sidekick, another perennial All-Star that gets forced to be a spot up shooter and role players that are already spot up shooters and pick and roll big men.
@@showtimenick824 You know what’s funny about that description of the types of personnel Lebron “needs” to have is that after Golden State burst onto the scene playing their Princeton based motion offense, Lebron’s Cavs tried playing like GS so bad but got crushed when they actually played GS. I’m totally fine with being labeled a “hater” as opposed to the alternative of just saying “everything is great and nothing sucks”. Nah. My respect is something that’s earned. I don’t give away my respect like some cheap whore like most of these former player turned analysts. It’s amazing how too many would rather embrace narrative laced propaganda as truth over actually doing the research themselves to discover that not everything is as it seems
He is the most overrated athlete in the history of sports
Agreed! 👍
Agree
He certainly is.
@17:27 "Bu-But Scottie Pippen brought a winning culture to the Bulls"
-Bron stans (most likely)
Bronsexuals are so weird with how badly they overrate Scottie Pippen yet grossly underrate the rest of the NBA in the 90s.
There soooo many players better than him. MJ, Bird, Magic, West, Kareem, etc. I could go on. These players, and others, made their teams better and weren't a cancer.
Even Jerry West wow! Since Jerry West's Finals record is even worse than LeBron's but Jerry West also lost to better teams in the Bill Russell Celtics than LeBron ever faced in the Finals including the KD Warriors. You can even argue that the 1970 and 73 Knicks were better than those Warriors.
Lebron makes his teams worse? He’s a cancer? Larry Bird???? Jordan fans are out of touch go read a book loser
@@jalemcatlin9461 He does make his teams better but not his teammates. He just gives them a superstar presence of his own.
Man look at who LeBron James played in the play in and no one is afraid of LeBron James
I didn't even talk about the play in tournament because that didn't exist yet when I made this video and even if it did, it's not meaningful enough anyways.
Awesome Video 🫡
Thank you!
Lebron: most playoff loses all-time ✔, most committed turnovers all-time ✔, most shots taken all-time (but he's pass 1st?) ✔, most missed shots all-time ✔, only player to be Swept in 3 finals series ✔ 7th worst +/- in NBA finals history -86 ✔ 2nd worst NBA finals record all-time 4-6 ✔ that's not a top 5 player all-time
Don't underestimate Lebron's latest accomplishment of being the only "great" swept in 3 different decades 😀
As a Lakers fan, I'm not happy about it but that is funny. 😂 But also this video was made before the Lakers made their roster overhaul so of course I couldn't talk about that.
The truth is LeBron is top 10 at best. Lebron has had the most helped in NBA history and underachieved with EPO.
Top 10 at best is still an amazing career. You can't be the GOAT with a 4-6 Finals record, especially with self created super teams, one of which you couldn't even make the play in tournament with.
He will never be GOAT with 4 rings.. if he had 5 maybe.. but 4 no way... 4/10?
I don't remember LeBron James or the media making a big fuss when he became the all-time leader in turnovers... Why is this accomplishment never talked about? All this talk about James "always making the right play", how he's "a basketball genius", but has more turnovers than anyone else EVER. Also it's not just about the turnovers, what's interesting about advanced stats nowadays is that you can see how many of them were simply just bad passes because they compile that now haha
Only efficiency fits their narrative. Efficiency does have any merit at all but it's not even close to end all be all when your stats can easily be inflated, especially today. The whole making the right basketball play narrative, seriously sometimes as the best player on your team, you have to take the most difficult shots to put the team on your back. It's very obvious when watching LeBron play that he cares about his field goal percentage.
@@showtimenick824 Agreed! If only he cared as much about his FT% lol Insane to me that someone who leads the entire NBA (all-time) in turnovers, who shoots sub 75% from the stripe while playing with all-stars and future HOFers can be in the conversation for the GOAT. I mean, that's some great PR and LeBron is unquestionably the GOAT in that category. Take your top 10 to 15 spot and acknowledge that this league has seen some incredible talent!
If lecrybaby didn't have the three ball he'd still be chasing, he would have just passed MJ in year 20, almost 7,000 pts via the three!
He likely wouldn't last 20 years with all the modern medical treatment and with the soft rules that exist today.
For me, as someone who watched MJ play, I thoroughly enjoyed this video.
Just remember that you aren't going to convince any LeBron fans that MJ is better. And I kinda understand why. Keep in mind that for most of their lives, LeBron was the best player in the league. For their whole lives. He was THEIR superstar and MJ was just somebody that older people liked.
In other words, it's an emotional attachment to LeBron and you can't argue with it.
I don't have LeBron in my top 5 all-time. I'd have MJ, Bird and Kobe (among others) ahead of James. You gotta have the drive to win no matter what and James just never had that. In his own words "It's just basketball".
And just to clear things up about Bird. He was quite 'athletic'. You can't be great without being atheletic. What he wasn't, was smooth and graceful. Jordan and Kobe were both of those things.
I'm glaf you enjoyed it. I have a video on MJ's Wizards years saying he was better than people remember if you want to watch that. You do have a point about LeBron fans. Thing is, I've seen LeBron's whole career, I only saw Jordan's Wizards years. I'm 30. I have watched full games of Jordan on UA-cam though. The "It's just basketball" quote, yeah you don't want your star player ever saying that but they won the next game so it's hard to argue with the results there. But for him to make excuses about officiating and the replay center, especially when that had nothing to do with what the reporter asked him in the first place, or making excuses about injuries when he fakes them just to load manage and he and AD played over 70 games this year, what a coward.
As for Larry Bird, I did say he was more athletic than people claim he was. It is true he wasn't the best athlete, but I know he wasn't nearly as slow as people say he was. Athleticism helps, but IQ and fundamental matter more. We're seeing Jokic and Luka dominate today while being slow footed white Europeans in an era where people claim is more athletic than ever before. I know that's a huge myth, but nonetheless, 2 of the best players today are far from the being the best athletes.
You my friend are FRYING these LeBron addicts💯
Winning>stats. MJ had great stats and won 6 championships while being the best player on all of those championship teams. That's why MJ is the GOAT. On the other hand, Lebron puts up great stats and then gets swept by a mid team in the playoffs.
The 2018 Warriors were definitely not mid and they just weren't as dominant in the regular season as their other dynasty years because of injuries. The 2 other teams LeBron got swept by did win the championship, he can at least say that but plenty of teams MJ beat were easily better than the 2007 Spurs and last year's Nuggets.
Why nobody talk about the fact that lebron is the alltime leader in turnovers.
Because they're way too focused on shooting efficiency. Of course that matters too but I'm glad you and I agree turnovers do too and also shooting efficiency needs context with eras, positions, playstyles, and who's on your team to even try to evaluate it. I bring up who's on your team because I think criticizing Allen Iverson's efficiency is dumb due to the fact that he had to chuck because of who was on his team in Philly.
And Lebron is close to surpassing Kobe for most shots missed in NBA history as he’s in 2nd place currently.
@@Theterminato2013 Great point! I wasn't even aware until now! Since we don't really hold that against Kobe, I think we should keep the same energy for LeBron. However, when LeBron surpasses Kobe in most missed field goal attempts, it will be funny to see all the Bronsexuals get butt hurt knowing they can no longer use an argument they've used against Kobe for years. 😂
This video is accurate keep up the great work
Thanks and I hope you enjoy my other videos that I've made too!
Rick Mahorn and Rodman would make Bron Bron scared crapless of driving to the basket!!!!
Sorry for the late reply but he would definitely need to develop his ability to stop on a dime and shoot from midrange in that era. The way MJ was getting mugged, if LeBron got mugged like that consistently, there's no way his body would've held up to be able to make it to year 20.
Great video! I’m very impressed with your NBA knowledge
Thank you and you're more than welcome to check out what else I've done on this channel! I make videos on baseball and football too but basketball's my favorite sport.
Thank you for making SO MANY VALID points. Bron is physicallly great but vastly OVERRATED! Bron is NON-clutch. Bron has blatantly LIED on camera. Bron is definitely No goat but since he has been the #1 draw for the Leagues Billions... media hypes up a fake debate... so deep money just flows in. Its a Business.
I agree with most of this although LeBron has had his clutch moments. What he did against the Celtics in game 6 of the 202 ECF even though that was not at all the same team that won the championship as Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen were getting old, LeBron having that performance in an elimination game was definitely clutch but also not nearly as impressive than something like Magic Johnson in game 6 of the 1980 Finals without Kareem and definitely not more impressive than Kobe in 2001 putting up 36 in game 3 and 48 points and 16 rebounds vs the Kings in game 4 then following that up with 45 in game 1 vs the Spurs and outplaying Shaq for that series too.
People had different opinions tht will never changed....at the end of the day the debate will still go on and on....
You are right about that but I just can't agree that LeBron even has one good argument to be the GOAT and I'm pretty confident I've heard every single one at this point.
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I didnt like Bird. But as a grown man now Bird was COLD AS ICE He was all around NICE with it
I wasn't born yet but being a Lakers fan for 22 years, I don't think I would've liked him back then either because of the Lakers-Celtics rivalry. I can appreciate greatness though regardless of what Bronsexuals think in their delusional minds. Larry Bird is the only small forward I'd even consider taking over LeBron yet Bronsexuals get butt hurt over that.
@@showtimenick824 well I was.. I grew up during this time. Special disdain for Bird and Boston overall because Boston was still racist af..back then was worse but.. now as a full adult Bird was fing COLD with it..his basics and IQ were crazy
@@TheSet6145 I did get an idea the racist city that Boston has been known to be when I saw the Bill Russell documentary. I knew before I saw it that he was a civil rights activist that marched with MLK though. I don't have any evidence of Larry Bird himself being racist though. Even in recent times, yeah I don't know if you follow baseball but Adam Jones who played for the Baltimore Orioles was a victim of racial slurs during a game against the Red Sox at Fenway Park a few years ago.
@@showtimenick824 nah I didn't peg Larry as that but being young and knowing that city I was like ehhhh F Boston and F Bird...
The Bubble was not a true Nba Championship. 4 month rest, No travel, Private luxury complex.
To be fair, it's not like everyone was good in the bubble. Look no further than the Clippers in game 7 against the Nuggets or Paul George for much of the bubble. Or Giannis against the Heat. It's not LeBron or AD or any other Lakers' fault that they choked in the second round or that James Harden is too predictable in the playoffs against better defenses or Russ doesn't space the floor and has a poor IQ with fans or not. I will say it doesn't move the needle for anyone's legacy but the Lakers were contenders before the world had to completely stop. It is still easily LeBron's least impressive championship though. The private luxury complex though, don't teams always get that on the road? Except being trapped there for a couple months, I don't know if I'd really enjoy that a whole lot but fans in the stands absolutely do make a difference, especially for momentum shifts.
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ITS THE FREAKIN TRUTH LEBRON IS NOT THE GOAT NOT EVEN CLOSE EVERYONE KNOWS WHOS THE GOAT HE PLAYED FOR THE BULLS 😎😎😎
I think this debate over the goat is quite funny. Jordan himself said that you can't compare players that played in different eras cause they never played against each other.
I think it would be great just to acknowledge that and respect that what each of the all-time greats have accomplished?
If you even watched my video at all, you should know I did exactly that. Why is watching the video before commenting so hard for some of you? 🤦🏻 Unbelievable.
@@showtimenick824 i was referring to the comments i've read, not to your statements. Just to get that straight.
@@michacarolus6571 Alright fine. Just that I'm getting so many comments about Michael Jordan even though he was only one segment of this entire 43 minute video. I probably only talked about MJ for 4 minutes maybe if I'm not mistaken? This was a while back so I don't really remember but I know I definitely talked about plenty of other guys I think are better than LeBron or at least have an argument. Not just Michael Jordan.
@@showtimenick824 i really can't remember it exactly too 😆 but i remember you mentioned others, not just MJ
@@michacarolus6571 Thank you! I'm glad we cleared things up since I got so many comments making this between MJ and LeBron. I hate the media had to make the GOAT debate between just the 2 of them but between the 2 of them, I think anyone with the least bit of common sense agrees MJ is more worthy of being called the GOAT.
Emmitt Smith played longer and has more rushing yards. Anyone considered him better than Barry Sanders?
My friend told me her husband said so so I helped her with some ammunition of my own. If anything this comment should sound way more biased than this video since I'm a New York Giants fan but I think I'm being fair am I not with these points? Yeah Emmitt Smith has those rings while Barry Sanders never played in a Super Bowl. However, Emmitt Smith had a way better offensive line and even if we exclude Emmitt Smith's Cardinals years, Barry Sanders was a better receiver and had more rushing yards per game and carry than Emmitt Smith. Who was the better pass blocker though, to be honest I'd need to watch to be able to answer but at least I'm confident in saying Barry Sanders was the better runner and receiver.
the greatest athletes played thru hardships, not doing the easy way out
Exactly! They also don't clout chase either because they know they're truly that amazing at their sport and let their play do the talking.
Great video, real facts
There are only a few people in the media that fuel this nonsense that James is the Goat. He is not even top 5 to me. 6-10 maybe if I am being nice.
A few people in the media that give a voice for an entire cult.