The Chemistry Behind Feeding Bees Part 2
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- Опубліковано 13 сер 2022
- A presentation at the Macon County Beekeepers in Franklin North Carolina on the chemistry and mechanics of feeding bees.
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Hey Bob.
I used to use the 5lb honey jars, but
I use a 1/2 gallon, WIDE mouth canning jar now, and just set it over the hole much like you do with the pails. It has worked fine for me for years and is much cheaper than the 5lb honey jars..
I also bought plastic lids to replace the metal ring/lid.
Metal lids rust and become very difficult to get on/off after a while.
Bob, thank you for taking your valuable time & effort to share your knowledge and experience with others. It has a bigger impact than you know. 👍
Been watching videos about nutrition, the different types of sugars bees are typically fed. How they had pros and cons which dictated when best to feed each type, fascinating stuff.
Thanks for sharing Mr binnie. Always enjoy your Sunday morning videos.
House of Cans in Lincolnwood, IIl (near Chicago)carries the 1/2 gal economy mayo jars. I have never ordered those from them but I have ordered #10cans and other large glass jars. They have always given me great service.
Always great information Bob. Thank you for sharing
Thanks for sharing. Always good solid information in you videos
My family has learned a lot from the knowledge you share on your videos! Thanks!
thank you for sharing my brother, hopefully it will be useful and inspire many people 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Well watched the rest of video, looks like frame feeders will work, thanks for such valuable!
Thank you. You are a gift to beekeepers all over the world. My regards
Thanks for the great information. After the winter, I was reported to the Ministry of Agriculture in Turkey for adding bleach to the sugar syrup I made to feed my bees. People thought I was doing an unhealthy job, even though I hadn't put the honey box in the hives yet. If I hadn't proved that it doesn't mix with honey, it would prevent me from doing beekeeping, maybe they would have culled my bees. Unfortunately, most of the beekeepers in my country could not understand the purpose of this process and reacted harshly by being prejudiced. Luckily, Bob had answered my questions about this before and saved me from worrying. Thank you again for being such a humble person.
I have seen the movie Kovan and beekeepers in Turkey are depicted as very conservative. Glad to hear you did not get slammed by the authorities.
@@joakimsaxin6135 thank you. They did not impose any penalties as bleach was allowed to clean the hives, equipment and was not in the nectar period. There are five honeybee subspecies and their ecotypes in Turkey, but they cannot be protected. Foreign bees entering the country illegally provide extreme hybridity. There are new breeding projects, but they are progressing very slowly and beekeepers bring smuggled queens from abroad. The situation is a little complicated. Thanks again.
@ That is interesting. In Scandinavia we have one native subspecie. The first of all to be named in Latin, thus called Apis Mellifera Mellifera. We have to breed them on islands to not cross with English, Italian and Slovenian.
@@joakimsaxin6135 We are very lucky in this regard. A.M. Anatolia (central and western), A.M. Caucasus, A.M. Meda, A.M. We have Syrian bees. These bees did not breed based on yield. Many beekeepers work by bringing productive bee breeds from abroad. In recent years, studies on our bee races have started, maybe in the future we will do crossbreeding as you said. I have an artificial insemination device where I can keep my fertile Carniolan bees.
Thank you for your generosity and the wealth of information you share Bob. You're an excellent speaker and have a real talent for communicating this information. I look forward to sharing your hand at Hive Life in a few days.
Hello Bob,
Watching your video lecturs gives us lots of info. thank you (all the way from a beekeeper in Israel).
Thank you.
Great 2 part series with very important information. On a side note, I just ordered a bottle of your Sourwood Honey. I had been patently waiting, lol. Get it while it’s hot folks! Blue Ridge Honey Company is the name of his business.
Great info, Bob. Thank you.
It's called a tint plug because that's how the add tint to make your color selection! Thanks for all the bee info!
Thanks for all the good info, up here in mn, I like always have the 2 outside frames full of honey, minimum, when checking in spring, take your dead out,honey frames that are full and slide them in your big colonies on the outside if they need them, because like you said, they can starve in a hurry in spring ,especially your bummer colonies, I've seen some with a lot of brood at that time.
Great info Bob! I’m also a beek from Kentucky and I do the exact same thing to overwinter. I only run single deep hive management in my apiary and I will use a Vivaldi board over winter to feed my bees sugar. I pull the vast majority of their honey in the fall (except the stores in the deep) and feed sugar brick through the winter.
I looked at your channel home page and your hive boxes are beautiful. I find myself wondering if that is a family project.
@@bobbinnie9872 What a wonderful compliment Bob. Thank you! I’m just a one man crew over here. I assemble and paint everything myself. 🙂 Big fan of your channel, I hope to one day be able to contribute and educate as you do. Cheers!
Good information Bob 👍 thank you sir. Good health and God bless
Thank you. 👍
Thanks for sharing
Hello Bob. This is a great video on feeding bees. I am finishing up my apiguard treatments today. I like to finish up my apiguard treatments a little early. So if don't have the results I want. I can retreat with apivar. I will start feeding in a couple of weeks.
A great strategy.
I love you bob )), thank you very much for sharing this amazing knowledge..
Thank's. Merci .شكرا
Would love to see how this could be adapted for backyard/small scale beekeepers!
I do water treatment, when you were talking about chlorine the first thing to come to my mind was the dissipation, then you touched on it. If you are using tap water to make your syrup then it already has some in it. Also liquid chlorine bleach comes in different percentages 15% to 65%
We're using the common bleach found in grocery stores.
@@bobbinnie9872 yea it's about 15% bleach. It's not only a disinfectant it's also an oxidizer. While I'm on here, I'm extracting my last round and I've noticed in the past and today, sometimes there are a small cluster of cells, like nickel or dime size that are harder than normal and was just wondering why that is.
Thanks Bob for the video, now I know why my bee's drink my cats water instead of the well water. The cat water is city water.
A tint plug is removed to inject the pigments or tint into a new pail of a base paint prior to mixing.
Here in Ont. Cda, thank you. This is our 1st winter 🤞🏼
Cold!! Good luck. 👍
Thanks for another great video. Could you sometime make one discussing the proper use of queen excluders? That is, the proper time to put them on and how to get bees to fill supers above them. I also have trouble getting them to draw comb above them or even getting the bees to work supers. I have heard that putting drawn comb above excluders works but if you don't have much drawn comb supers then what do you do? I've even gone so far as to build up the hive with so many bees and brood that the bees were hanging outside only to have them swarmed instead of going through the excluders to work the empty supers above. If there is a trick what is it.
There are times on singles that I leave the excluder off until the bees are established in the next box. Yes, you may have to deal with a little brood when doing this. Also, I rarely put an excluder over a double deep and yes, you may have to deal with a little brood when doing this.
Hey Bob, great talk. I'm curious about the costs involved with feeding. It is a pretty time intensive process both sourcing, making, distributing, etc. Do you have an estimate cost per hive per year?
I've never figured out the cost exactly. It would be hard to figure because we're usually doing other things at the same time but I probably should.
Hi bob, what type of pump do you guys use. All the fill-rite pumps we use for our tractors run continuously (even with the nozzle released) until the operator flips the lever on the pump to the off position. From your videos I noticed that your pumps actually stop running once the nozzle is released. Could you please advise as to the brand/model of pump you use for feeding syrup. Thank you, sir.
Hi Steve. Check out our video "Feeding Bees Part 4 - Our Syrup Pump and Truck Setup" ua-cam.com/video/LA7mMu_AuXk/v-deo.html
When we have a warmer winter during December here in Northwest Minnesota I have to check my bees for food the start of January.
By the end of December the bees have already been two and half to three months in cluster here.
It is not unusual to have a solid 6 months of non flying bees here some years and then go straight into the spring rains off and on for at least a month or two.
Most of Canada has a much milder winter climate than what I get here.
If you use the ML pro feeders, do you use only thick syrup or also thin (1:1) syrup? If so do you get any problems with fermenting sirup left left in the pro feeders?
We do use thin syrup in those feeders at times and there can be minor fermenting with the small amount the bees can't get to. Thick sucrose will ferment too. It just takes a bit longer.
Bob in your opinion of the various types of bee's which type makes the largest queens?
Probably Italian. Just casual observation.
Bob thank you so much for the time and sharing your knowledge. My question is I want to treat my bees, but every time I do, they are bearding. I usually go out before sunrise right at the break of day should I treat anyway? Thanks
If you're referring to oxalic acid vaporization I wold say yes. A little smoke before hand could coax them in.
@@bobbinnie9872 Thanks ,I will try that . I guess some treated bees are better than no treatment. Thank you again for what you do it is much appreciated .
A nice solution for the cap & ladder feeders is to put a single 1” screw into each side - through the plastic and into the wooden cap. Doesn’t need any bands. Will not fail.
I've thought of doing that but I've hesitated because we like to clean them out occasionally. Perhaps it would still be worth the trouble.
Hi Bob, regarding to fermenting of sucrose syrup 1:1, how many ml of bleach per 1 litter of syrup do you use?What's the ratio? Maybe i missed that part, sorry if so. Thanks for sharing your experience with us. I really enjoy watching your videos.
We put one teaspoon to one gallon.
Its clear.
Trying to figure out where to get the 1 gallon containers that have the seal in place. I know I can buy the 2 inch tent caps from you but where to get the containers that are already sealed?
Many commercial container companies carry them but you usually have to buy in quantity to deal with them. To risk sounding like a salesman you can order the buckets from us in smaller quantities. 706 782 6722, ask for Molly.
Regarding fermentation of sucrose syrup...how long is 1 to 1 generally good for, before it begins fermenting? Obviously this would depend on temperature as well. Is there a general rule?
About 5 days in the summer if not treated.
How do you make the syrup? Do you boil water and mix in sugar or you mix with cold water?
We mix with 125°f water. See our video "Making Sugar Syrup for Feeding Bees". ua-cam.com/video/cFysk1N8XIk/v-deo.html
What do you think about treatment with "Hive Alive" for Nosena Ceranae?
I don't have any personal experience with it but have heard a few people say they like it. The short answer is I'm not sure.
Great video Bob
Where do you buy truck loads of granulated sugar?
We order through Dadant in Florida.
Thanks Bob
Hi Bob. ISo grateful for your time to share, I often give credit to you as my virtual mentor. In my 7th year now....When it comes to feeding/stimulating 5 frame nucs with new grafted/mated queens just starting to preform and be evaluated, how many holes (1/16th in. holes) do you guys punch in your 70mm lids? I just don't have enough experience at knowing flow rates and consumption rates to have a good feel for distribution to the bees yet. BTW...I would love to hear you talk about that subject, flow rates/consumption rates, for the various feeding applications unless you have already and I just haven't seen that talk yet I am feeding thin - 1:1.25ish sucrose. Thanks
Once they are established they should be able to handle six holes and as they grow even more. Your ratio is a good one for growth.
@@bobbinnie9872 Thanks Bob, by established you mean the queen is starting to lay well? or further along as in a frame or so of capped brood?
@@dandahlberg4452 I'm thinking when there is brood in all stages and nest is expanding.
Hi Bob, I live in coastal South Carolina, first year bee keeper. I am having a SHB problem. Unable to put the hives in direct sunlight. I have 6 blaster traps in my 3 mediums. I have treated the soil below. Still have a large population of SHB in the hive although no damage. I would like to chemically treat, what do you suggest. Thanks from a new bee keeper.
Sorry, to be honest I have very little experience combating hive beetles. I hope to do a video this winter with some beekeepers in Charleston.
JR, try Wintergreen oil. I sometimes use a spray bottle with wintergreen oil at both ends of top bars. I'm in the Pee Dee of S.C.
Can I feed sugar syrup while treating with apiguard? If yes, is it better to feed with hive top feeders or community feeders while treating for mites?
Myself, and others I know, feed while treating with Apiguard with no apparent problems. Although many use open feeding with success I'm not a fan of it. I don't like the idea of my bees mingling with others at the feeder.
@@bobbinnie9872 Thank you Mr. Binnie.
You said you use the buckets and jars to simulate a nectar flow to get the bees to draw cone. Do you use the mannlake frame feeder for the same thing or is just to put weight on the colony?
We use the Mann Lake feeder primarily to put on weight.
@Erika Spannerman With two gallon buckets the feed is metered out over time whereas the hive top feeders give the bees enough access for them to empty them quickly.
Hey Bob, chlorine is a strong oxidant with 0 nutritional value like a mineral would. I suspect that they are attracted to chlorinated water for the same reason we are ( or should be), harmful bacteria are killed. A fun experiment for a high school science project would be to compare uptake of chlorinated pond water to unchlorinated.
So based on Dan's comment add salt to one of the pond waters.
Thanks Bob, I'm in Ontario and our bees act allows open feeding. I have also recently learned that open feeding is used by the largest Beekeeper in Nova Scotia. (11,000 colonies). However, open feeding is contrary to the bees act in British Columbia. I'd be very interested in hearing your thoughts on open feeding please. Dennis in Ontario
I know several large beekeepers that do it and I have done it a bit myself. My take is that depending on how it's done it can be hard on the bees. I prefer having more control on how much each colony gets and how fast they get it. That having been said, I recognize that at times it's the most efficient way to go.
Bob, do you ever add salt along with bleach to the water? Also, I tend to feed a lot fast, so don't have a good rule of thumb on this. With steady slow feeding, how many days in 70F weather would be reasonable to keep feed in the jar without risking syrup going bad; a week, 2 weeks? Last question, is 1.25W/ 1S risky in the early spring feeding due to lack of moisture evaporation in 45-55F weather?
I I have not added salt before so I couldn't say for sure but a little could be OK because bees are attracted to salt water pools. Whether or not syrup would stay good for two weeks at 70° would depend on the lows at night. if it dips down into the 40s or low 50s I think it would be fine. Our high temperatures are currently 45 to 55°f and we are feeding 1 to 1 with no observable issues. I would be hesitant to go thinner.
Can you use frame feeders? Or is the drip from the top the ticket?
I personally prefer feeding from the top but frame feeders do work as long as the colony is not weak.
Hey Bob! I was wondering if you could tell me where you are getting your 5 lb. Honey jars and what quantity you have to buy for that price. Thanks!
We get ours from Gamber Container which is a container distributor. I haven't bought any for a while so don't know the current price. They can be found retail at "Rossmans" and "Dadant".
Thank you, Bob!
Couldn't find any tint plugs even at mann lake in Florida
If you can't find any, call our store at 706 782 6722.
And yet: Bleach - NaCLO sodium hypochlorite for sugar syrup. It works very well. I have been using it for 4 years. :)
Good evening friend, I have a question. feeding the swarm with this feeder does it attract more loot?
If by" loot" you mean "robbing" the answer is possibly. If the buckets are leaking or syrup is running out from on the lid from underneath it can.
@@bobbinnie9872 thanks bob, could you provide me with a site to buy the plugs
Hey Bob I did find your store does the bucket feeders come with the plugs and do u shipp
Yes and yes. You can order from the store at 706 782 6722.
@@bobbinnie9872 are the tint plugs you mentioned on the video online at your website or do we have to call to purchase? First blush through your website, and I didn't find the plugs.
@@traceyrichardville9134 We don't have those on our website but the girls at the store can help you.
Good Morning, as I've run out of my 4 way pallets, 600 hives on the ground, am very interested in your pole and ? combo in which you place your hives. Looks way easier to handle than schlepping pallets. Thank you for any input you may have. BTW greetings from Central Point...plenty of wood here!
There's a fair shot of our pole set up for bee stands at 10:53 in our video "August Beekeeping Chores". ua-cam.com/video/RLwahqsgvlI/v-deo.html. Is that Central Point, Oregon?
@@bobbinnie9872 yep on Central Point, OR...my company is Agate Honey Bees with a focus on pollination and bees....we are a semi load to Almonds
. Past President of the local club and I rec your channel as a trusted source of quality bee info. Thank you for sharing readily!
@@risahalpin8751 Very interesting. I had beeyards all over the Rogue Valley and a number of good beekeeper friends in Central Point, a couple with large outfits. That was 40 years ago though and my guess is that no one would remember them now. I believe most of them are deceased. I enjoyed my ten years in Oregon.
@@bobbinnie9872 The only one you may know was Mr. Curtis, he was a beekeeper during your time...ran approx 2k hives in the Valley. I know a couple of his sons personally and was able to enjoy one of his last talks at the local club before he passed...5 years or so ago. Oregon is a special place but we enjoy our quick getaways to Smith River when the heat and smoke become oppressive. Thank you again for your generous sharing!
Please, what is the scientific name for the white substance that you put in the sugar solution so that it does not ferment?
Household bleach is actually a mixture of chemicals, Its main constituent is a solution of ~3-6% sodium hypochlorite (NaOCl), which is mixed with small amounts of sodium hydroxide, hydrogen peroxide, and calcium hypochlorite. www.chm.bris.ac.uk/motm/bleach/bleachh.htm#:~:text=What%20is%20bleach%3F,hydrogen%20peroxide%2C%20and%20calcium%20hypochlorite.
Will putting the buckets on top of the hive in dearth, cause robbing if you don't put it on all your colonies?
It shouldn't cause robbing unless there is seepage around the bucket. Some people like to put an empty box over their buckets to make sure there is zero robbing.
Can we imagine if bees can't go out and defecate for 5 months? Yes, that's normal for bees in Michigan. I top off with 2:1 by mid October. We had zero days above freezing for the last 2 winters. They just cross their little bee legs.
I really don't need a truckload of honey... just enough for pancakes
Hi bob. My name is Reghan. I am a beekeeper from South Africa. I have a very challenging pollination to do. It is pollination for blueberries and in the time that they are blooming there is no other sources of nectar or pollen. And as we know the blueberries also don’t have. I would really appreciate your advice. How could we maybe communicate ?
Blueberries produce nectar and pollen for bees
I am first time bee keeper and was told leave 1 full super for winter. is this wrong
I would say that you were given good advice.
Teeky
Tip:
You could also add a top Super Box (Wall only) and add a Sugar Block or Dumped Sugar into it.
Bees will use any minor amount of condensation
thru winter, to convert that Sugar into their own kind of digested Syrup.
Cold doesn't kill Hives, BUT to much internal moist does !
Maybe add some additional Insulation above that Sugar, under that Roof.
See the principle of Quilt Boxes in Warre Hives.... I have my Bees in Langstroth Hives, here in Scotland 🏴 and use lots of Sheep's Wool for Insulation.... lots of it here, it's free in the countryside. Just have to pick it off Thorn Bushes, or Fence Posts. 😏
My best Hive is a Jumbo Deep Horizontal Hive with x24 Frames.
Its has x5 Inches of Wool in the Walls and Under the Sloping Roof. An Ex Log Box, with a local Swarm. Native Bees are the best for our Winters. 👍
Salutare!
De ce nu se poate stabili subtitrarea și în limba română?
Mulțumesc!
Sorry, try again.
How many liters does the cell consume in the summer?
It's always different and depends on the amount of nectar coming in.
@@bobbinnie9872 How many liters does the hive consume on average, and do you feed the bees all summer?
you stated he tested with a Cl - Cholrine strip on a bleach sample? 17.21 proverb - shall be know as the great dismissel by Jonny on the spot. - had a good laugh and enjoy the public
light flips on lets move on after that lol
I’ve looked for the Tent plug..no success…can you direct me in the right direction
We purchase large quantities through www.penpoly.com/ If you would like smaller quantities you could order them through our store at 706 782 6722.
@@bobbinnie9872 thank you
Hi' This is the way to reduce the family in one body. How much honey can e family produce? When it rains or snows you don't have problems? Water does not enter the bechive?
Our honey production is different every year but our overall average is about 100 pounds. Only small amounts of water enter the hive which doesn't cause problems in warm weather. We usually don't use top feeding in cold weather.
@Erika Spannerman Some colonies are heavy and don't need feed yet.
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Make your hole with a hole saw in REVERSE and go slowly.
Ha Bob it was great I have your phone number still I am thinking about buying some 2 gal buckets from u with the hole in them and the plugs as well, I have a question I am feeding do they store 1-1 in a dearth or just drink it down, I thought they would only store 2-1 also I have a question that has nothing to do with feeding, I watch a lot of videos and I watched 1 yesterday in the video the man put q cells in queen right colonies these colonies had queens that he did not like for some reason, any way he did not remove the old q he said that the q cell will emerge and the new q will replace the old one do u ever do it that way and your thoughts on it please thanks have a God Blessed week
Hi Frances. 1x1 will stimulate more brood production than 2x1 so not as much will be stored. I have dabbled a bit with introducing queen cells as you describe and it only works some of the time. It works best when the cell is introduced inside of a cell protecter, well above the brood nest.
@@bobbinnie9872 Thanks for responding to my questions have a blessed week
Very interesting talk, I am based in the United Kingdom so just wanted to check when you talk about imperial units you mean US imperial units and not British imperial units. Is that correct?
Yes, US gallons.
Bob, I’m off topic. Sorry! But I’m about too lose my mind. Today my husband was mowing the field. He knocked completely over one of my hives! I hurried and put the hive back together. Not sure if I got everything back where it belongs. Bees were everywhere! I run medium boxes so there were three mediums as my deep’s.
I’m pretty sure the queen may be lost! Please advise me on how too proceed to save this hive.
Thanks
Hi Debbie
The first thing is to wait a day or two and see if they are rearing emergency queen cells. If they are not then the queen is most likely still there. If they are then perhaps let them continue making a new queen unless you have immediate access to another which you could introduce.
@@bobbinnie9872 thanks for taking time to answer! I couldn’t believe he completely knocked over a hive (1 of 2) with his Scag mower! The garden top and boxes were totally upturned!
I was in such a panic to get the bee’s back in the hive. I don’t know which box was the bottom(2 medium were my 1 deep)box. The queen? I did see brood and lots of food store and a third box with 5/8 frames full of honey.
I don’t have a queen so I’m not sure they time too requeen their hive in time too prepare for winter bees.
Totally ticked! Husband banned from the bee yard!!
Second year @ beekeeping!
I found my half gallon canning jars at wal-mart for 5 dollars a jar
Can baby formula be fed to bees?
I don't honestly know.
You put 7 liters per cell How many times a week do you feed the cell. Where does the queen lay eggs? The hexagonal eyes will be filled with sugar solution
We are not feeding all of our colonies at this time. Only the ones that can take feed without restricting the current brood nest. Soon, the brood nest will begin shrinking before winter and all colonies will be fed.
I saw you feeding bees in large quantities. How does this not affect the queen in laying eggs? The solution covers the entire hexagonal eyes in the cell, and the queen does not find where to lay eggs
It does cause any problems with the queen..
They need salt and chlorine ions is how they detect it.
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What about food grade peroxide instead of bleach?
Sorry, I don't know enough about it to say.
When I feed that way I have robbing problems
Have been using bleach for years. Never had an issue.
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I suggest 2 spoons of turmeric per litre of sugar syrup. It will give more immunity to your bees. Don't put too much turmeric either.