The Effects that Processing has on Raw Honey
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- Опубліковано 28 січ 2019
- The dangers of ultra raw honey and the effects that temperature, moisture, filtration, and packaging have on honey are discussed at a meeting of the Eastern Piedmont Beekeepers Association at the University of Georgia in Athens, Georgia.
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I've watched every well known beekeeper on UA-cam and you stand out from them all. You touch on every aspect of beekeeping and go into in-depth explanation. Please keep being an educator. The world depends on people like you.
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I would agree
I heard that they heat the honey before packing to store it for long time don't u think it will decrease the quality of the honey as heating of honey is prohibited by ayurveda
@@ashutoshparida634 They don't heat it much higher than the bees actually do in the hive. And on a hot day it probably get way hotter in the hive
than they would ever heat it to bottle it. Keep studying and listening.
Min 36:22. That really means something when an expert is delivering a lecture and says to the audience he has to learn something more about the topic. That's the most honest comment we, the beginners, can get. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
I heard that they heat the honey before packing to store it for long time don't u think it will decrease the quality of the honey as heating of honey is prohibited by ayurveda
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You are right so many people just regurgitate information. Instead of research for themselves.
As an aspiring new beekeeper I've learned more from about, roughly, 10 hours of his videos than an entire semester of class. I won't list all the books, classes, videos, etc that I invested in to try and get this right before taking the plunge but I think I've found a home and can now launch. Love the chemistry BTW.
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Bob, I am writing from Argentina. I am eating all your videos. Please keep on sharing all your experience.
Hi Bob, I recently came across your channel. I find you to be honest, thoughtful, and inspiring. Having said that, the comment about uneducated housewife is rather sexist. Men are just as uneducated when looking at a bottle of clear honey if he was not educated in the nuances of honey.
Sorry for the delayed response. UA-cam probably didn't like one of the words you used because they put your comment aside for review and I just saw it. Of course your point is somewhat correct but I didn't mean in a demeaning way.
Mr. Bob your videos are some of the best and most informative I have seen . Thank you very much !
Thanks for the comment.
Questions?? 1-Ageing honey in the supers how long capped and un capped. 2-Minuka honey used as wound healing dressing, I have a half a pint left of a blackberry x clover that was processed in 1984 that has never crystalized from a Caucasian hive. the Italian honey crystalized in a couple months. Great Job on your video...
You where born to teach , thank you.
Making UA-cam videos is my new hobby, Thanks.
I have started to watch your videos and learn so much, you have such a soothing voice. You even get better in your later UA-cams. Thanks and keep them coming. By the way air at room temperature that is saturated (100% RH) contains actually only about 0.045% moisture. Every raise of 10 C allows the air to hold twice as much water. Tidbits from college many years ago.
Hi Russell. Thanks for your comment.
I was thinking the same on his voice. He should put out some audio books.
you stated and or cleared up a ton of misc points of interest. Not only for beekeepers, (i am one, smiles) but also for the persons that like and eat honey. Exceptional!!!
Thank you.
I generally have harvested less than 120 pounds per year and I don't use heat when processing. I explain raw vs pasteurization by using an egg as an example. If you crack an egg open into a cold pan the clear part surrounding the yolk is protein. When you place that pan onto a heat source that clear protein turns white. It's still protein but the heat has caused the proteins to change shape. I believe the same thing happens with the proteins/enzymes in honey. When they change shape they no longer can fit into the receptors they were intended for and thus can no longer function.
Thanks for your comment.
Excellent analogy! Perfect visual. Thanks
I heard that they heat the honey before packing to store it for long time don't u think it will decrease the quality of the honey as heating of honey is prohibited by ayurveda
Kenny Roger's of the bee world lol
Sounds and looks like him
You've painted up your lips and rolled and curled your tinted hair
Ruby, are you contemplating going out somewhere?
Why be a smart ass. He’s smarter than you !!!!!
that’s funny, I thought of him too when I watch him. Funny.
This was all excellent information and I learned a lot. One fine point to consider tweaking is your definition of hydrophilic, which means "having a tendency to mix with, dissolve in, or be wetted by water." It does not address a material's propensity to lose water to the environment.
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@@bobbinnie9872 Please keep making more videos, as these are the most professional and informative that I have seen, and you're doing a great service for the folks like me who don't know much but want to learn.
Cool idea. Thank you
You my friend are an absolute educator I wish I would of hadyou teaching me in school But I guess you have to be interesting for it to sink in.
You speak so thoroughly I can't help but retain it and you also DE bunk wives tales Kudos to you.
Hope to meet you someday have a great day from the state of Washington
Very nice all your videos. Keep them coming, please!!!
Thank you. Another one soon.
Excellent video. The Texas A&M nectar source identification program established and run by Dr. Vaughn Bryant is currently the only means available to beekeepers who desire to validate the source of the their honeys. It will be a sad day if and when that program is defunded by the university.
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There is a food grade honey filter that is a specific earth used in Aquarian’s for salt water fish that can be used in the filtering of honey. But the cost is very high for that filter as well.
Thanks for video, i like it very much
Thank you.
I seem to always have more crystallization than I’d care for when I store honey in bottles. I have read it is better to keep it in pails in a room temperature area until you are ready to sell the honey. Is there anything I can do to try and prevent honey from crystalizing in bottles? Could I be doing something wrong? I do not heat my honey at all. It is slower, but I don’t want to damage it
Lowes hardware is selling 5 gallon pails and lids that are marked as food grade. Just bought one about 2 month ago. Make sure that it is marked as food grade.
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If you want the honey to be cap quick and under 18% umdt. put some salt ,in their water.Also place some salt rocks around your beehives.Salt will be take inside ,of the hive by the forager bee ....and cure the honey.
Hey Bob, enjoy the videos.
How many frames do you run in your extracting supers? Comb supers?
8 in our extracting supers and 10 in our comb honey supers.
Hi Bob quick question. When you set the supers out to dry are you worried about hive beetles laying larva in it and spoiling it? I am in Houston Texas so we have heat and humidity ;)
We only leave them out a few days so the hive beetle doesn't have a chance to do much.
Bob Binnie at Blue Ridge Honey Company ok great thank you getting back to me. Hope you season is going well!
Yip it was worth my time but I knew it would Bee:)
Thank you sir for very useful information. Please suggest which is the best honey moisture reduction unit or dehydrator under 6000 USD and is lyson brand good.
Sorry, we don't have any experience with honey dryers.
Awesome video Bob! Do you have a PDF file transcript of this video? I will gladly pay for it. THANK you for your great contribution to honeybee keeping.
Hi Pedro. Sorry I don't but I'm going to be posting a new and better version after the first of the year. Contact me again then.
If it does not have enzymes in it is not honey, raw or otherwise. If it is not exactly as it is when it comes out of the hive then it is not honey.
That is right.
It would be just a expensive somewhat flavored sugar without extra benefits,
Hello, Bob! It is a tremendous lection. Only what is tie-tie honey (? Taitai?? ) Can't get it in the Internet.
In Europe that's mainly wrong Acacia or Robinia doesn't crystallize.
There are a number of types of TiTi. In south Georgia and North Florida there are two types . One blooms in late winter into early spring and is a good nectar producer most years. The honey from this variety crystalizes fast, has a mediocre flavor, and is considered bakers grade honey. The other blooms in May and is slightly toxic to bees, creating problems with the brood. www.google.com/search?q=cyrilla+titi&oq=cyrilla+titi&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60j69i61.2500j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
@@bobbinnie9872 thank you, it is very interesting to know
Hi Bob. Thanks so much for sharing this very important information! I started using a dehumidifier and fans and what a huge difference it makes! I'm sure they're not cheap, but do you have any idea where I can buy a honey dextrose (glucose) meter? It would be so nice to be able to check my honey and be able to blend different honey batches for slower granulation, kind of like blending honeys of different moisture content.
That's a good idea but I have never used a meter like that. If you find something that's not to expensive please let me know.
@@bobbinnie9872 sounds good. I researched online without success. You probably have better connections for finding one 😀 . I would love to own one.
Ok so I live in an area where the outside temperature can easily reach 110F during the summer and up to 116f at times.... So how would this effect the honey while the bees still have it in their hive and how will it effect honey when I go to harvest it? More specifically if it is 110-115f outside and I harvest honey, would it still be considered raw honey? I assume the enzymes would be destroyed by the natural heat here if removed from the hives while in the hive the bees would cool the hive by fanning.
Time is part of the equation when enzymes degenerate due to heat. For instance it takes approximately one month for the activity of the enzyme diastase to completely disappear in honey. At the temperatures you mention the relative humidity is probably very low and harvested nectar may be dry enough to harvest quickly, before the enzymes are completely destroyed, which would result in some enzyme activity being present.
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Good stuff. I learned a lot. When drinking tea with honey should I let the tea cool down a little to not kill as many enzymes? I buy local honey and the first jar was thick and the second jar is more liquidy. These are from different local venders. By vendors I mean individuals that raise bees. Thanks.
Hi Charles
Yes, wait until you are ready to drink your tea before adding the honey.
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I heard that they heat the honey before packing to store it for long time don't u think it will decrease the quality of the honey as heating of honey is prohibited by ayurveda
As to the freezing and then thawing out part of the lecture...if it darkens 3 times the rate at every 10° would it just be better to store it around 50°+/- to keep it's color and not crystalize?
Thanks for the question. Crystallization of honey slows as it gets very cold but 50 is not low enough, it will still crystallize. All deterioration in honey slows as it gets very cold (well below 32) that would include color, flavor, aroma, taste, enzymes, crystalizing.
@@bobbinnie9872 do you recommend freezing honey? Does it hurt the enzymes?
@@lorindarenteria From what I've read, enzyme activity stops when honey falls below freezing but returns when warmed back up. Please consider that I am not a chemist, this is just what I have read.
I wonder if King Bob has ever taken honey that was starting to ferment and made mead out of it
No King here but Bob has not done that. Fermented honey tastes bad and that flavor stays with it.
Hello sir.
I got a dehumidifier and it can only lower the humidity level at 40%, im wondering if you know what the water content of uncapped honey if it was exposed to it?
40% relative humidity would definitely have an affect but I'm not sure exactly what it can bring honey down too. I know that 50% equalizes to 15.9 water in honey.
Thank you sir..
Great lecture. One correction though. When you talk about Diastase half life, you say that its half life is 1000 days, and that all activity will be lost in 2000 days. This is not correct. If something has half life of 1000 days, this means that it will have half of it in 1000 days. in 2000 days, it will have half of that, which is 1/4 of the original (basically, half of the half) and it goes like that. Every 1000 days, it loses half of what it has.
Thank you. I learn something new every day.
I don't use heat when I extract Honey and bottle it's all natural
I have always felt that extracting honey with centrifugal extractors changes the honey flavor. I am not sure if it is related to the 'whipping' or adding of oxygen or air but I notice a difference. I have always preferred comb honey for this reason. One reason the Flow Hive has looked interesting because you can get honey out without whipping it.
You are right. Also, honey actually begins to change as soon as you uncap it.
I heard that they heat the honey before packing to store it for long time don't u think it will decrease the quality of the honey as heating of honey is prohibited by ayurveda
@@ashutoshparida634Heating honey is bound to change its structure, thus affect the nutritional/medicinal qualities. 🤔
36:15 - It's actually pretty simple: There are micro crystals in the raw honey that act as "nucleation sites", i.e. "seed crystals", from which larger crystals can grow from. When you heat it, it dissolves most of those micro crystals. Since larger crystals need something to start growing from, it takes MUCH longer for the macro crystals to begin forming, because they only have certain pollen grains left to act as nucleation sites. This is also why highly filtered honey that has had the pollen grains filtered out takes even longer to start crystallizing.
What you say is true but along with that I also believe that the dextrose present is partially converted to other sugars with added heat. The more heat and time, the greater the change.
Hello again sir, i have produced honey last year and now its cold days so my product has frozen and its not flowing when pouring it, its not crystalized. Im curios if this is natural or i have handled it wrong. What's your thoughts about this sir?
As honey gets colder it becomes thicker. If it gets cold enough it generally won't crystalize. The perfect temperature for honey to crystalize is 57°f.
Very good info, how long after bottling can I wait to freeze it before it’s to late to do so, such as as one month two months or six months? I think I heard the glass bottles were good to freeze without breaking? Thanks!
Hi Matthew. When you freeze honey it stops any changes where they are at. For instance if the honey has barely started to crystalize thats where it will remain. I would say the sooner the better if your are trying to stop all activity. Glass jars work fine.
Hello sir, whats your thoughts on putting honey in coffee?
In hot tea and coffee I mix it in just before drinking to minimize the affect.
@@bobbinnie9872 thank you sir...
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Funny, I have had honey that crystallized and then went back to liquid. Now I know what happened.
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sir what did you know about Honey bee sting?
is it contain only formic acid?
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@@zahrahoneypakistan9798 I would suggest searching for information online.
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How does putting honey in a hot drink effect the honey properties?
It has the same affect as exposing honey to high temperatures in other ways. I recommend putting the honey just as you are ready to drink it.
National geographic found the honey in the tomb in Egypt! !? lol, i mean seriously? A team of Egyptian archaeologists discovered it at the Dra Abul Naga necropolis on the west bank of the Nile
In the article I wrote that parallels this talk, ,www.beeculture.com/processing-honey-a-closer-look/, I used the words "recently reported that". Please forgive my slip here. Seriously.
Thank you Bob, that was very enlightening. But a bit distressing. A habit here in Oz is to set up an old fridge with a light globe and thermostat set at about 32 deg to keep honey in tubs for sale from crystallising or at least keep it soft. So I have selling raw healthy honey that I’ve killed all the goodness in?? I’m not sure folk would like a tub of frozen honey. Any suggestions? Thanks again for your videos and help.
32°c will degrade honey over time but if it's not in there long it will be minimal. If it's going to be there a while, and you're worried about keeping the honey as good as possible, you may want to reconsider. Perhaps freezing containers in bulk and taking them out as needed.
@@bobbinnie9872 Many thanks perhaps that is the way to go. One last question: so it goes straight in freezer after putting in containers (plastic here) and when you remove it from freezer it will thaw at room temp back to just how it was when it went in. ?
Hi Bob, I recently came across your channel. I find you to be honest, thoughtful, and inspiring. Having said that, the comment about uneducated housewife is rather sexist. Men are just as uneducated when looking at a bottle of clear honey if he was not educated in the nuances of honey.
Your correct.
@@bobbinnie9872 Thanks for accepting the feedback. Do have a splendid day. Note: I do keep 3-6 hives in St. Paul, MN. I find your clips educational and a pleasure to listen to.
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