“Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue” “Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue” “Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue” “Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue” “Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue” “Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue” “Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue” “Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue” “Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue” “Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue” “Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue” “Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue” Now we know why. Edit: For people missing the point, while this specific video expose of the addon is for ebgs, READ the forums/reddit thread on what the addon can do, so it isn't farfetched to think it is being used (or a version of it) in certain rated content, there is a REASON a lot of us blitz players see this happening 5, 6, 7 and up to 10 times or more in a row sometimes (it is comical), because most likely an addon like this is being used in rated settings, it would be naïve to think it isn't.
@@T.R.75 this is different from just being a try hard... this is cheating. Nothing is wrong with wanting to be good or win. But this is honorless and trashy.
well, yeah, but the thing is most of the top players are sitting in Discord. They're all familiar with each other from arena/rbgs, so they duo and sync with others through voice. Once you get so high in MMR, it slows down because it's their whole clique queueing in that bracket.
I used to love healing them. But too many people that don't help when you are being dog piled by teams like this. It's it's not fun being steam rolled. It's also not fun with steam rolls..the best matches are the ones where both teams are even and fighting to the last second for that final point
@@Tuoni996 I still do, Mistweaver. You have to tell them, teach and explain. Ofc some are so arrogant and toxic they hate it when someone tries to give team advice or instruction. For instance I see this all the time, players guarding a base flag who stand right next to it making it so easy for a stealth CC click and cap, stand 50 feet away if you're comfortable with that, hide in a bush, mount up, he has to come CC you then run to the flag and start cap which takes some seconds, CC wears off you interrupt. Just saying that can get you pushback lol. To make a win sometimes if you have the knowledge you have to grab a team by the scruff of the neck and provide some leadership and just hope the people who joined spell team without an I in it and play like one. Same on healing, tell them you want at least 2 people throwing CC at those who are inevitably headed straight for you so you can heal the group.
What's crazy is players in battlegrounds actually feel like something is rigged in the games these past few weeks, but we can't prove it. We tell ourselves that it must be in our head and premades are fake news xD
Only clueless people think it's all in their head. From my experience from being a WoW veteran at release after leaving EverQuest, i'ts pretty OBVIOUS when it's rigged.
It's really not that hard to prove, lol. You look at their roster, and most of the time, it has the same 10-15 players who are always on the same team. It's rare enough seeing 2 of the same players in a BG, but 10-15 of them, especially from the same/merged realms, isn't a coincidence.
I literally don't understand the point in wanting to join a BG where you can completely steamroll the other team. For me, the fun comes from even match ups, having to clutch points, captures, kills etc... I've never understood the fun in games that are basically over before they've even started.
meta gaming in a nutshell. have you watched how insanely dogsh** the new classic wow servers are? i feel like people are playing this WoW like it's a job, and not for fun anymore.
@@zerti86 its emergent gameplay. people with no skill will game the system to be in their favor for the least amount of effort. it happens more so in games that have been out for decades. its blizzards problem and as long as people still pay nothing will ever change. imho.
There is no fun when you play random and everyone else is gaming the system. Its not a matter of occasionally losing in a lopsided battle. Its near constant
It's because the players have been conditioned to play just for the rewards. People play entire modes just for rewards then quit when they get them. Blizzard created the problem themselves by promoting FOMO and basing so many things around rewards vendors and fillable bars.
So someone went through the trouble of coding an addon that allows them to wuss out if the enemy is too strong. This is literally one of the most pathetic things I've seen in 30 years of multiplayer gaming.
my man, this is only the tip of the iceberg. I dont know this youtuber but i saw this vid and i knew i just had to write some comments. Its clear to me that this Venruki also wasnt told the full story and what tools and addons are currently going around in the pvp community. I will not mention any names, neither will i share discords but what I will do is tell all of you that there are way bigger things that are way more game breaking than this beeing used by some of the top pvp guilds in the EU and russia (I dont have any contacts to the US/Asia personally, i just heard some things but cant confirm myself if they are true)
@@TheKourage88 Name ONE single game with a real reward "Kek" that is annoying to read. Unless you are a professional or make it from streaming which is a small % AKA your logic is trash.
@@plasticbudgie I do not advocate for addons being banned at all. The ones highlighted in this video are completely horrendous and should be banned. But addons are so much more than combat related and I think thats what a lot of people don't think about when they say "ban all addons"
Anything combat related needs to be integrated into the game, such as the functions of WeakAuras to track buffs/debuffs. Otherwise, ANY addon that is combat related needs to be BANNED from the game.
literally nobody are talking about these addons when they say "ban all addons", people are for the most part talking about weakauras that scream at you when enemy cooldowns have been pressed, or if your healer is in cc. or something like a "MELD NOW" weakaura when things like coil/storm bolt are flying in the air towards you
Those people ruin epic BGs completely and keep saying on forum that it's fair game. Those addon users and community leaders and players should be permabanned for ruining whole bg part of the game for thousands of people
I was just looking at the data that thing shows on Vens screen. I run a few Epic per day depending on time, some days it is a waste of time. This probably explains why, these add ons. I agree permanent ban.
What's funny is that those players that say it's fair game also say to just get 39 others or make friends and do the same thing. Problem is, if Blizzard intended for 40 people to que up together instead of only 5, there would already an option in the game to que with 40... so it's clearly not "fair game". They also forget mention that if you do this, they will avoid your 40 man at all costs so they have no risk of losing. Perma ban for not just their current account but also any credit card or debit card that they have ever had on file.
these epic bg premade losers have been ruining the game for literal years. the forums have been flooded with epic bg premade topic for years blizz dont gaf
This is the prime reason I stopped pvping. Random bgs used to be my favorite thing to do in wow, but sadly people ruined it.... Guess that's just what people enjoy these days, making things unplayable. Don't get how it could be even remotely fun to do. At this point blizz could just disable all addons and I'd be happy. Atleast it would force these people to be on voice coms to try to sync their queues.
@@theforgeryttv6449 tbh if addons are such a crutch for you to stay afloat then i dont feel bad for you. I agree some addons should be made as ingame features but you cant convince me players need, dbm, weak auras, gtfo and tmw in the core game, or something like dps meters and gladius, its just stuff thats incredibly broken and feels like a must to have because its not against tos and for that reason id love for blizz to remove all addons from the game
I know of a few players on moonguard who had been "claiming" about using an addon like this for blitz and win-trading, I never believed them until watching this video, so this is definitely isn't only being used in regulars.
This isn't new though. This is been going on for 4 years plus, and they continue to develop more and more ways to make the abuse streamline. The BG forums have been screaming about this crap for years.
@@Mhortai Yea, it really took off in DF. While they have been a thing since vanilla and I remember seeing them some on BC, they were never too much of a problem. Now you can see them multiple games in a row OR they leave the bg you're in and you have no chance of winning.
Not surprising. You can't do normal dungeons without a toxic, sweaty try-hard breathing on your neck for not doing enough DPS, not healing enough, or pulling enough adds quickly as a tank. You can't even post WoW gameplay footage without getting toxic users leaving mass dislikes because you aren't playing they want you to. Even getting into mythic groups as a DPS is impossible to the point why even have such groups listed?
imagine going with a 30man premade into a random bg. and then going "no, these players were meeting are to good. Lets drop the que". Ban every single one of them, making them loose their character, gold, achievments and honor level. They have no life anyways, they will come crawling back on new characters.
I was in an IOC yesterday where we started the game 7 horde vs 38 alliance. Game was less than a minute from ending before we got enough backfills to cancel the auto end feature. Alliance already had the walls coming down before we had even numbers.
Had a IOC too like this but it was 14 vs 40 I think. Was super confused why I was the ONLY healer and we had not a single tank, not to mention less then half our max group size. Guess I know why now. :(
i quit playing epics because i'm so sick and tired of these lopsided matches. the epic communities avm, djl, and rr are ruining the game for everyone. they dont want to play with "friends", they want free wins.
Found this after going down a rabbit hole trying to figure out why tf my BG experience has been consistently 40vs20~ in Epics. Now I know. The subreddit removed this post btw, thank you for sharing it in it's entirety so I can understand better. Will definitely be submitting reports for these addons.
this has been happening for years except before the addon people just used Btags to dodge eachother. dodging in the RBG community has been a thing since RBGs first came out. this is how alot of the top rbgers keep their high W/L.
Blizzard needs to significantly limit the amount of functions/data available to PvP addons. Addons are negatively impacting the game. Not just talking about this stuff, but the bullhorns, when to kick etc...
@@brentwaits954 *THXSOUNDATMAXBUTLIKERADARBBBOBOSOSOSOBOBOBOOBOBOBO* STEALTHED PLAYER DETECED NEARBY Behind you. out of your field of vision, but luckily the add-on saw them while they were breifly detected So now you KNOW to pop your human racial. or some AOE.
If he's talking about DBM telling people not to stand in stuff with a n increibly loud basketball buzzer sound, that's basically required to play the game. not having it is almost griefing the other 39 people.
@ I never needed bullhorns, I don't know what you're talking about. How can you not know you're standing in shit. I can see if someone is a clicker but other than that I can't see how anyone with binds can't see that they're standing in a puddle or something
Leaving queue after queue pops should give deserter debuff. Another issue is Battleground Commander being used for Blitz. My friend posted a screenshot in our guild discord asking "what does this mean"? Her partner who she had just met's Battleground Commander was sending messages in their 2 man party chat. I had to explain to her what was going on and that it could get her banned.
Streamers like Staysafe join AV with full pre-mades, and as soon as he doesn't like the way the game is going, he drops all 40 out of the game. Blizzard doesn't care about people ruining BGs, because there is never a punishment.
This is what made me quit wow for good a few months ago. I loved the close matches, but the balance issues, extreme amount of cc, and premades made pvp unplayable.
Yep, and during korraks revenge it was nonstop there which probably gave epic BG Q’s a bit of a break. It got to the point where if I saw them on my horde I just left the BG before it started, not gonna sit there and constantly let premades farm me
This has been happening in the non rated scene for years reaching its peak in early 2024. It’s been brought to light time and time again but nothing was ever done. Imagine my shock when solo que rbgs had this problem. Who could have predicted this? Color me surprised.
What actually is permastuck/hardstuck. From the get go I sensed major manipulation in the blitz lobby. For all we know hardstuck actually means when you play there is a heck of a lot of manipulation going on that we're unaware of and we walk away feeling bad but are actually being robbed.
@@ermahgawd3889 I had the complete opposite experience in my region (winning streak of 30+ games as Alliance). During day 1 & 2 you had all of the hardcore Horde players queuing as Alliance and utterly destroying the remaining people on their side until they had full gear. After that they swapped back and Alliance had to face fully geared Horde players with only a handful of geared Alliance players that hitched a ride during day 1 & 2 (like myself).
Wild seeing Ruslan-Area52 on there, I’ve come across their premade more times than I want to remember. The games were completely one sided and you get steam rolled- people would leave as soon as they seen Ruslan on the opposing team just because you knew it was hopeless. So many people would leave off the jump, it back fills and they leave too because they see the state of the match. It’s gotten bad to a point that I hardly even pvp anymore and I’m glad people are shedding some light on these underground issues.
If i understand correctly Ruslan is complaining about one sidedness on the alliance side here. I've played a LOT of games with Ruslan and they often queue by themselves or with a few people. Not big premades. Premade community is much bigger on the alliance side, people roll alliance specifically for that.
@ oh wow that’s interesting, I’ve always been horde but rolled alliance for certain racials for warrior and any game against Ruslan, we were absolutely decimated and people would leave before the match even started. It was just a snowball of negative outcomes- especially if the queues were long. I don’t know much about Ruslan so maybe my remark was just ignorant but I can just say from experiences, whatever team they’re on- they dish out a beat down haha
@@courgette-bf6zn I kinda suspected that just from my run ins with Ruslan lobbies that something shady was going on, even if we did have a chance against them on the side of alliance - so many people would just leave right at the beginning of the match because we already knew the outcome but my logic was well, I could leave the game and get deserter or just take the 5 minute steamroll of an L (unless they wanted to just farm kills) but when you sit in queue for so long, just adding a deserter debuff to yourself was a lose lose so I just stuck around as frustrating and unenjoyable as it was and that’s just the whole point of why I like that Ven is helping pass this info along to the community too. I’m not hardcore at pvp by any means, got gladiator S4 of dragonflight and just 1800 to get the elite appearances but yea- since TWW, the battleground experience has tanked ☹️
The only reward I can think of is like... the honor level mounts and the marks of honor? I guess people who are bad at PvP might not care about challenge and they just want to get that stuff even if it's not fun.
You must remember, their pathetic egos are at risk. These people, that have no status irl.They need SOMETHING to make them feel good, about their miserable existence.
meso from avm name is chris cole and he is a blizzard employee they aint changing anything sadly i forget his chan name its like mesostealthy or something like that its in his bio so im sure all the leaders are blizzard
Blizzard should have removed Addons from the game a long time ago, especially those that track boss mechanics, auras, and abilities in PVP. And at the same time improve the information offered by the UI
They just need some system to allow approved addon's and not disallowed. Having addon's that organize your bags, add notes to maps, move your bars around are not cheating.
It'll never happen. Removing addon support will cause more people to leave and cancel their subscriptions which is something I doubt they want anytime soon.
@@theforgeryttv6449 Everyone would be happier with a game design where not 80% of our screens have to be addons and weakauras blasting air horns to make the perfect plays and to react for the swifty 1 shot I win buttons otherwise its a lose in a slower pace where you can keep track of things like on the good ol days where some mistakes were tolerable where as now you make one and its over. However its not going to happen anytime soon. Probably not for 1 or 2 more expansions at least. Blizzard needs 10 years to do anything positive with down syndrome devs. The only addon everyone should need is a fu gladius to track trinkets in pvp and maybe a DBM for pve. The learning curve is so big by now that even OG top players are giving up. I don't even want to mention new players.
Been communicating this to Blizzard for years. I first saw it when I started in Wrath, a friend tried to get me to do it but I accepted the queue they told me to drop. Discord and reduced number of players made the issue far worse than it's ever been. They can sync into regs as well but it's way less common. This is what new people see when they enter pvp for the 1st time.
This isn't new. This stuff has been going on forever in different ways. Not surprised they are continuing to developed addons to do this. I have even told devs directly about this unfortunately they probably don't have the power to do anything. This has ruined Epic BGs. There are multiple communities that do this kind of stuff. People have been screaming about this on the BG forums for years.
3:34 - The Reddit user outed himself as ANOTHER pre-made group participant who does the same thing, only not as well. "Communities avoid rival groups" & "another strong community appears". HOW is that other "strong community" appearing IF THEY AREN'T A PREMADE EITHER?!?! You can clearly see 30 people dropping queue and you're telling me they are going to drop queue against a fair 5 man group from another community? Or is it more likely another 30 man group, eh? Which means both sides are doing it. Even in the screenshot they're calling out the BSG community and then calling out the other side has '8 healers', obviously both things indicate (no not definitively but very likely) a premade on the other side. Like I know whenever I see AUGGY on the Alliance side, I lose all hope because I know he is a premade leader and I see the same 15+ names every time I see his name and it's always a complete one sided game. I've played almost nothing except unranked BG & eBG's since Draenor and on my Horde characters I've gotten to know plethora's of pre-made groups when I see their names in game after entering I know it's going to be a loss because they're pre-made's and on my Alliance characters I see the same thing on Horde side. Everyone has been doing this, but this dude does it better and everyone now all of a sudden notices the issue. I've quit WoW 3 times because the imbalance is horrid. Most all games are complete smashes one side against another, it's rare to get a really good close match where both teams are evenly matched and the score is within a few percentage points on both sides at the end. I don't care if I lose if I know at the end I had a chance to win but didn't play as well as I could have vs I coulda played like Pika and still had zero chance. For the record, my opinion is to have an unranked mode where it is all solo queue and zero groups can join and queue timers are randomized so it makes it close to impossible, or inconvenient enough to not be worth the effort to premake. [EDIT - or maybe even something like the same Btag can't play a back to back game with a Btag they just played a previous game with...? That sounds interesting...) I do not want ANY of the above nor the lesser quality above and I get the new Blitz does a pretty good job with this but, I'm getting 15+ minute timers there compared to 4 minute timers on unrated and it's a waste of time to play WoW for 3 hours in a night to have only a few matches in unrated. Unrated is supposed to be just for fun. I wonder if there could be something like a BG - Solo & a BG - Grouped mode where the grouped could be raid groups vs raid groups...I'm sure there's issues with that too but, which is the lesser of two evils?
Blizzard should change queues for regular BGs, epiq BGs and skirmishes. It should work in similar way to solo-. Start only when all players applied their participation. Also, there could be few sec delay between popups for defferent groups of players to avoid exploits by such addons.
@@nick11925 Such exploit existed always. Addons only simplify it: you don't need to stay in voice chat or message to everybody to inform about popups. So disabling api won't help. Delay will help, because they won't know if they have proc to the same BG or not. E.g. some groups get popups immediately and have to apply their participation in 10 sec, but others will get popups with delay of 11 sec.
Sheesh, this would explain *a lot* about queue times as of recently... This type of behavior has been steadily building since BFA, now it's a full blown operation. This is crazyyyy!
Is this a new thing? Back in Vanilla, when they changed the honor system from the ladder/rank to a straight up "buy gear with honor" system, we started using an Alterac Valley queue addon. (My memory is a bit fuzzy, but:) We could form a "raid" with the addon. All we had to do was have the battlemaster window open and the addon would all queue us at the same time. I would tell us when everyone's queue popped. If everyone's queue popped at once, we knew we were in the same AV. If only half of the queues popped, we knew we were going to be split so we dropped queue, waited two minute, and just queued again. When we all got in the same AV, we steamrolled it in 10 minutes, hitting all the objectives that gave honor (Balinda, Bunkers, then Van), leading to crazy amounts or honor per hour. It is hard for me to believe that in 20 years, people are just learning about addons allowing to exploit the queuing process
that would be oQueue created by tiny of Hydra. They were salty back then with that addon and they are still salty about the new addons doing basicly the same thing. Premades have been a thing since Classic/TBC.
And this is why I quit PVP Blizzard needs to fix this ASAP if not I'm done with PVP for the rest of the expansion or in general cause this is unacceptable pre made groups have to go.
Me and my PVP guild used to engage in this sort of thing as part of our events back in WoD, but the key thing was: - Our groups of 5 were manually formed. - We manually queued up. - We waited for queue pop. - Once the "leader" of each group realised we'd all got queue pop at the same time, the leader would accept the queue pop and we'd enter the BG. No addons were involved in how we did it back in the day, was just a fun casual thing we occasionally did as a guild event, and we certainly weren't quitting out just because the enemy team looked threatening. Wasn't always consistent, sometimes our groups of 5 got split using this method, but we literally did it just so we could play together as a guild for fun, half the players didn't even have full PVP gear. Sad to see people have took what was something fun, and weaponised it for... Ego I guess?
I have been screaming about this for a long time. I made a full report including screen shots and sent it off to blizzard. I was told that we all sign the same TOS and that was that. It broke my heart to see such disregard for these groups that cheat all day, everyday. Fair consequences should be: Ban and removal of community queuing, removal of all honor levels, and removal off all the addons that they use. Epic bgs are to be a fun casual game that anyone should feel comfortable stepping into. The amount of people I see leaving a game once they realize they are fighting a premade is insane. I dont blame these people for leaving but in the same it creates more of a mess. I hope this video reaches someone at Blizz and they finally see what is going on. Thank you for the video ♥
Rich nerds in hearthstone arena will spend thousands of dollars rerolling decks and use an addon to pick the best possible outcome... That's the level of dirk we're dealing with.
If Blizzard Had braiN: Solution is there already (League) Had massive dodge problems Before You Get More time penalty with each dodge and Rating loss How hard is it?
This isnt even just a little problem in BG blitz. I've been confused because the patters are very clear yet there are so many in the community who will jump on you and call you a noob just because you mention something like this. I'm at 2.8k rating atm, ques get cancelled constantly and once you do get in to those games its always one sided. Same with win trading, its unexplainable to me how me as a enh shaman can output more healing than a fully geared healer who are close to 2.5k + rating. You are simply not trying in that case, this have happened many games. its a pattern and its obvious at this point
they probably queue at the same time to get in the opposite teams and a healer griefs to boost the other player, atleast that's how eloboosting happens in other games
Ye, and not just dropping, they make a deal with other people to join opposite side, run on them and die, then leave. So many times ive seen 10+ people, doing absolute nonsense moves. They move in group, feed ranks, going on base without capping it, you get it, clearely playing to lose, and once the opponent gets adventage, they leave bg. What i want to say, those addons are real, and they are exploited much worse than its presented here
I've had the realization that "The idea of playing WoW is better than actually playing WoW " since around Legion which is why I rarely play it beyond just solo leveling a char every blue moon. The community is way too unbearable (either extremely suck, horrible attitudes, or both) to deal with in any group content.
@@theforgeryttv6449 Yep, why would Blizzard fix anything when the people who complain about the insane number of cheaters, exploiters, griefers, botters and boosters are the same people who buy every microtransaction and promotional garbage that the company $hi+s out. Honestly, you'd be better off spending your 15$ elsewhere than giving it to Blizzard.
I think this is just a presentation of what the addon is capable of, using normal BGS & Epic BGS as a template. This can, and most likely already is being used for things like Shuffle and BGBlitz.
I hope Blizzard does something soon I want to like this game again but currently hate it due to this bullsheet, ** just wanted to add that they can honor farm those PvP Vicious Bloodstone Gems from the vendor and sell them on the AH on my server they are currently going for 3k gold each but a month or 2 back they were upwards of 7k each.
@@Bubajumba yeah i mean the entirety of this game has become so hyperinflated that new players just cant catch up on whats happening if they dont know what addons to use etc. imagine if pvp was a gamemode like plunderstorm. it would instantly attract so many players because its just simple to hop on some games and doesnt require you to fix your UI for 7 hrs before u can start playing
This is the way. While zoning into the pvp instance it disables all add-ons, flagging those it did while reloading the ui and disabling reload capability by the player. When zoning out after, it enables all the add-ons it previously disabled and reloads the ui while turning back on reload capability. That will shut this kind of garbage down in game. Then if those craptastic people insist on violating the eula then they need to figure how to coordinate outside of the game. Also by killing all add-ons in pvp it levels the playing field as much as it can and forces people to play the game and not add-ons doing it for them.
Ofc its fun for bg heros to stomp players all day with no competition. These players struggle to get 1500 in any rated bracket so they do stuff like this to boost the egos they have, all while being actually terrible at the game. Bgs are for gearing characters at the start of a patch and then basically useless, that is, unless you’re one of these garbage players.
@@RhodesianSuperiority Fortunately you don't get to tell people why they do x y or z thing. Talk about being a narcissist. Sure, some people abuse systems but over generalizing is low resolution thinking.
@@ermahgawd3889 what? did you even watch the video? its not people doing this for fun dude its people gaming the system for free wins.... okay im done arguing with some simp for bug abusing dogwater players, have a shit day.
just more grist for the "all add-ons should be banned" mill. been singing this tune for 20 years, ever since 2004 I have been playing WoW and I have HATED add-ons since the first time someone said "yo go to this website,download this thing, put it in this folder, and restart your game" what a bunch of f**king garbage imo
This shit has been going on for years. You just end up getting crushed every EBG and they do it all day and night. Real fun stuff. Ruthless Renegades community does this shit all the time.
This is why I quit last week. Imagine how sorry this company is, not a single word about this topic. Mind you that we’ve been complaining about this for a while now. Not one word…. Fuck em.
The people reporting this are the main ally guild which uses even worst methods for premades. They are just going after the addon that avoids their abusive play. Venruki just got played. Dont you think its weird they have all those screenshots?
This is exactly why all addons (except the UI addons probably) need to be completely removed/banned from wow, and why they should remove every public io and character/account tracking systems. Been saying this for literally years and years...
Something happened over the December holiday period where Alliance pretty much lost a large portion Epics and my Warlock was constantly targeted with a vengeance, I strongly suspected something was wrong. Zado has mainly had a hand in ruining the fun in Epics.
Not sure it can be an "ego thing" when they have to cheat to avoid a potential challenge. How do they mentally square that circle. What's even the point of playing a PvP game if you are going to do this?
Currently, there are 3 major communities (AVM, DJL, and RR) that dodge and I am assuming it is they who reported many of these links including the reddit thread and had it taken down. Blizzard should be aware of this issue by now and I really hope they act. @Ven and dude who posted this - thank you.
You are making big assumptions. The above video is very one-sided and only shows how a small group is abusing this addon then generalizing that as though every group abuses in the same way. That addon can also be used to simply organize for epic bgs. And at the end of the day, what's wrong with organizing a group for a battleground that requires organization? I see nothing wrong with certain teams wanting to play together.
This genuinely made me sad to watch, pvp is one of the most fun aspects of wow and to see it being manipulated like this with no repercussions would make me think about quitting wow for good.
can't even begin to understand the reason to game the system like this. not like pvp gear even matters. really no point yet they still do it. must be an ego thing
and the best part is they litteally removed the post on reddit aswell due to 'witch hutting' and 'calling out' Yea no the fucking reddit 'mods' are also in on this too what a genuine joke
The player base that doesn’t have enough integrity to realize stuff like this sucks every ounce of fun out the game is the reason why middle ground players have been absent for years. “BlAmE bLiZzArD” “YoU CaN Do It ToO” Yeah we get it, but have fun watching your game become more and more hollow.
Pick one: humans doing human things, play stupid games, win stupid prizes, or this is why we can't have nice things. Things like these are one of many reasons why I'll never respect any "successful" video game player ever again, and you shouldn't too.
...Don't unrated Arenas have a 'Craven' debuff that prevents you from queueing up if you recently queue dodged? Why not apply this to random battlegrounds too, and make the debuff get longer the more you've queue dodged in the past 1-2 weeks?
The one single thing in world of Warcraft that bothers me is blizzard doesn’t force new players to atleast level a toon on cata or classic, they shouldn’t be able to be level 30 in a few hours being new
Great job venruki and whoever made the presentation! This needed to be shared. I've been solo hunting these "community leaders" for a while on my rogue as they like to farm PuG groups. Been working on a compilation video of their leaders getting 100% - 0% ua-cam.com/video/inVmZOEqowY/v-deo.html
Shall we post videos of you getting pwned and the rest of your salty "Leaders"? Lmao. Don't worry bud we will put you in the wow graveyard tonight, tomorrow, any day you queue during prime time.
I didn't realize random non rated BGs went this deep Its like someone taking steroids and ice bath recoveries to have an advantage at the local Friday night Happy Hour Cornhole down the block
“Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue”
“Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue”
“Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue”
“Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue”
“Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue”
“Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue”
“Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue”
“Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue”
“Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue”
“Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue”
“Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue”
“Someone has declined the invite. You have been returned to the front of the queue”
Now we know why.
Edit: For people missing the point, while this specific video expose of the addon is for ebgs, READ the forums/reddit thread on what the addon can do, so it isn't farfetched to think it is being used (or a version of it) in certain rated content, there is a REASON a lot of us blitz players see this happening 5, 6, 7 and up to 10 times or more in a row sometimes (it is comical), because most likely an addon like this is being used in rated settings, it would be naïve to think it isn't.
SINCE 2003.
i was thinking the same thing...smh
Bro just reading your comment makes me so mad. I hope they're going to get banned
ok but that doesn't ever happen in random bgs / epic bgs...
@user-cz4tk2vr9i that’s not what happens with bgs
Man, I remember when Wow used to be fun. Try hards have ruined this game
tryhards ruin everything.
I think these might be related to botting also
min maxing ruining our lives
@@T.R.75 this is different from just being a try hard... this is cheating. Nothing is wrong with wanting to be good or win. But this is honorless and trashy.
How do you make this about try hards? These are literal cheaters...
I am 100% positive these types of things are also being used in blitz and shuffle.
"early and often" 😂😂
well, yeah, but the thing is most of the top players are sitting in Discord. They're all familiar with each other from arena/rbgs, so they duo and sync with others through voice. Once you get so high in MMR, it slows down because it's their whole clique queueing in that bracket.
@@iv9ryfor real?
100%
we would need a r1 player to confirm on this
This is why I stopped bothering to do BGs. I really loved BGs back in the day. These people literally stole fun.
I agree
I used to love healing them. But too many people that don't help when you are being dog piled by teams like this. It's it's not fun being steam rolled.
It's also not fun with steam rolls..the best matches are the ones where both teams are even and fighting to the last second for that final point
@Tuoni996 I remember the hard won, close victories.
Yeah I loved doing random BGs, but this kind of stuff just ruins it for me a lot.
@@Tuoni996 I still do, Mistweaver. You have to tell them, teach and explain. Ofc some are so arrogant and toxic they hate it when someone tries to give team advice or instruction. For instance I see this all the time, players guarding a base flag who stand right next to it making it so easy for a stealth CC click and cap, stand 50 feet away if you're comfortable with that, hide in a bush, mount up, he has to come CC you then run to the flag and start cap which takes some seconds, CC wears off you interrupt. Just saying that can get you pushback lol. To make a win sometimes if you have the knowledge you have to grab a team by the scruff of the neck and provide some leadership and just hope the people who joined spell team without an I in it and play like one. Same on healing, tell them you want at least 2 people throwing CC at those who are inevitably headed straight for you so you can heal the group.
What's crazy is players in battlegrounds actually feel like something is rigged in the games these past few weeks, but we can't prove it. We tell ourselves that it must be in our head and premades are fake news xD
Only clueless people think it's all in their head. From my experience from being a WoW veteran at release after leaving EverQuest, i'ts pretty OBVIOUS when it's rigged.
It's really not that hard to prove, lol. You look at their roster, and most of the time, it has the same 10-15 players who are always on the same team. It's rare enough seeing 2 of the same players in a BG, but 10-15 of them, especially from the same/merged realms, isn't a coincidence.
this shit has been going on for a decade
Didn't notice anything strange in Europe.
Might explain why my team lost all points at the same time and the match in less than 10 seconds. That was suspicious and felt rigged.
I literally don't understand the point in wanting to join a BG where you can completely steamroll the other team. For me, the fun comes from even match ups, having to clutch points, captures, kills etc... I've never understood the fun in games that are basically over before they've even started.
Faster gear collecting, so you can play content that has actual rewards. They aren't doing these bgs for fun.
meta gaming in a nutshell. have you watched how insanely dogsh** the new classic wow servers are? i feel like people are playing this WoW like it's a job, and not for fun anymore.
@@zerti86 its emergent gameplay. people with no skill will game the system to be in their favor for the least amount of effort. it happens more so in games that have been out for decades. its blizzards problem and as long as people still pay nothing will ever change. imho.
There is no fun when you play random and everyone else is gaming the system. Its not a matter of occasionally losing in a lopsided battle. Its near constant
It's because the players have been conditioned to play just for the rewards. People play entire modes just for rewards then quit when they get them. Blizzard created the problem themselves by promoting FOMO and basing so many things around rewards vendors and fillable bars.
So someone went through the trouble of coding an addon that allows them to wuss out if the enemy is too strong. This is literally one of the most pathetic things I've seen in 30 years of multiplayer gaming.
mesostealthy is the ultimate coward
my man, this is only the tip of the iceberg. I dont know this youtuber but i saw this vid and i knew i just had to write some comments. Its clear to me that this Venruki also wasnt told the full story and what tools and addons are currently going around in the pvp community. I will not mention any names, neither will i share discords but what I will do is tell all of you that there are way bigger things that are way more game breaking than this beeing used by some of the top pvp guilds in the EU and russia (I dont have any contacts to the US/Asia personally, i just heard some things but cant confirm myself if they are true)
Imagine being so impotent you have to skew BGs in your favor so much.
In a 20 year game, for no real reward, kek, and then everyone quit the game good one kek
@@TheKourage88 Name ONE single game with a real reward "Kek" that is annoying to read. Unless you are a professional or make it from streaming which is a small % AKA your logic is trash.
It's pathetic people. They lack any sort of personal honor. Low lifes.
@@Kanoog KEK
Wow pvpers are the most pathetic gamers, 40 man premades, literal cheats and spam reports to kick or ban someone from rated bg.
When people say ban all addons, this is why.
Pls, ban all addons!
To be fair, if they banned addons, game difficulty would get lower which would be beneficial and more akin to Vanilla.
@@plasticbudgie I do not advocate for addons being banned at all. The ones highlighted in this video are completely horrendous and should be banned. But addons are so much more than combat related and I think thats what a lot of people don't think about when they say "ban all addons"
Anything combat related needs to be integrated into the game, such as the functions of WeakAuras to track buffs/debuffs. Otherwise, ANY addon that is combat related needs to be BANNED from the game.
literally nobody are talking about these addons when they say "ban all addons", people are for the most part talking about weakauras that scream at you when enemy cooldowns have been pressed, or if your healer is in cc. or something like a "MELD NOW" weakaura when things like coil/storm bolt are flying in the air towards you
Those people ruin epic BGs completely and keep saying on forum that it's fair game. Those addon users and community leaders and players should be permabanned for ruining whole bg part of the game for thousands of people
I was just looking at the data that thing shows on Vens screen. I run a few Epic per day depending on time, some days it is a waste of time. This probably explains why, these add ons. I agree permanent ban.
What's funny is that those players that say it's fair game also say to just get 39 others or make friends and do the same thing. Problem is, if Blizzard intended for 40 people to que up together instead of only 5, there would already an option in the game to que with 40... so it's clearly not "fair game". They also forget mention that if you do this, they will avoid your 40 man at all costs so they have no risk of losing. Perma ban for not just their current account but also any credit card or debit card that they have ever had on file.
Blizzard doesn't care. These people most likely are willing to shell out money to keep their subscriptions and would pay for $90 mounts.
Absolutely not are you insane ?
Ban these abusing add-on
Agree 100% ban. It's wild they can do this. It turns it from casual and fun to toxic.
High rated PvPers be like "who wants to win all the time" as they Q against 1800 players in solo shuffle on an alt.
Create a healer, queue for Solo Shuffle, then never take the invite. Rinse, Repeat. The more people who do it, the more hilarious it becomes.
these epic bg premade losers have been ruining the game for literal years.
the forums have been flooded with epic bg premade topic for years
blizz dont gaf
Completely based comment ggs
@@mpark295 comment 43 minutes ago. your reply 45 minutes ago the time is not working today
@T.A.O-f9v lol wtff 😅
This is the prime reason I stopped pvping. Random bgs used to be my favorite thing to do in wow, but sadly people ruined it.... Guess that's just what people enjoy these days, making things unplayable. Don't get how it could be even remotely fun to do. At this point blizz could just disable all addons and I'd be happy. Atleast it would force these people to be on voice coms to try to sync their queues.
If that happens, it cause even more people to quit WoW and Blizzard doesn't want more subscriptions being cancelled.
@@theforgeryttv6449 tbh if addons are such a crutch for you to stay afloat then i dont feel bad for you. I agree some addons should be made as ingame features but you cant convince me players need, dbm, weak auras, gtfo and tmw in the core game, or something like dps meters and gladius, its just stuff thats incredibly broken and feels like a must to have because its not against tos and for that reason id love for blizz to remove all addons from the game
I know of a few players on moonguard who had been "claiming" about using an addon like this for blitz and win-trading, I never believed them until watching this video, so this is definitely isn't only being used in regulars.
Name them or no balls
Not even suprised. The WoW community always manages to find new ways to be shitty. It's such a terrible and toxic environment and has been forever.
This isn't new though. This is been going on for 4 years plus, and they continue to develop more and more ways to make the abuse streamline. The BG forums have been screaming about this crap for years.
Just zoom in blizzcon crowd,disgusting in every possible way
@@Mhortai Yea, it really took off in DF. While they have been a thing since vanilla and I remember seeing them some on BC, they were never too much of a problem. Now you can see them multiple games in a row OR they leave the bg you're in and you have no chance of winning.
This is what pvp game play is, your best pvp gaming experience is making opposite players experience the worst.
Not surprising. You can't do normal dungeons without a toxic, sweaty try-hard breathing on your neck for not doing enough DPS, not healing enough, or pulling enough adds quickly as a tank. You can't even post WoW gameplay footage without getting toxic users leaving mass dislikes because you aren't playing they want you to. Even getting into mythic groups as a DPS is impossible to the point why even have such groups listed?
imagine going with a 30man premade into a random bg. and then going "no, these players were meeting are to good. Lets drop the que". Ban every single one of them, making them loose their character, gold, achievments and honor level. They have no life anyways, they will come crawling back on new characters.
i agree. these people need to be permabanned.
I was in an IOC yesterday where we started the game 7 horde vs 38 alliance. Game was less than a minute from ending before we got enough backfills to cancel the auto end feature. Alliance already had the walls coming down before we had even numbers.
It is always IOC it seems.
Had a IOC too like this but it was 14 vs 40 I think. Was super confused why I was the ONLY healer and we had not a single tank, not to mention less then half our max group size. Guess I know why now. :(
i quit playing epics because i'm so sick and tired of these lopsided matches. the epic communities avm, djl, and rr are ruining the game for everyone. they dont want to play with "friends", they want free wins.
Found this after going down a rabbit hole trying to figure out why tf my BG experience has been consistently 40vs20~ in Epics. Now I know. The subreddit removed this post btw, thank you for sharing it in it's entirety so I can understand better. Will definitely be submitting reports for these addons.
this has been happening for years except before the addon people just used Btags to dodge eachother. dodging in the RBG community has been a thing since RBGs first came out. this is how alot of the top rbgers keep their high W/L.
Blizzard needs to significantly limit the amount of functions/data available to PvP addons. Addons are negatively impacting the game. Not just talking about this stuff, but the bullhorns, when to kick etc...
the bullhorns? lmfao
@@brentwaits954 *THXSOUNDATMAXBUTLIKERADARBBBOBOSOSOSOBOBOBOOBOBOBO* STEALTHED PLAYER DETECED NEARBY Behind you. out of your field of vision, but luckily the add-on saw them while they were breifly detected So now you KNOW to pop your human racial. or some AOE.
If he's talking about DBM telling people not to stand in stuff with a n increibly loud basketball buzzer sound, that's basically required to play the game. not having it is almost griefing the other 39 people.
@ I never needed bullhorns, I don't know what you're talking about. How can you not know you're standing in shit. I can see if someone is a clicker but other than that I can't see how anyone with binds can't see that they're standing in a puddle or something
@@QueenFinli talking about PvP, fam…
Leaving queue after queue pops should give deserter debuff.
Another issue is Battleground Commander being used for Blitz.
My friend posted a screenshot in our guild discord asking "what does this mean"?
Her partner who she had just met's Battleground Commander was sending messages in their 2 man party chat.
I had to explain to her what was going on and that it could get her banned.
On private servers they added ''Deserter'' to everyone not taking the bg queue pop.
Streamers like Staysafe join AV with full pre-mades, and as soon as he doesn't like the way the game is going, he drops all 40 out of the game. Blizzard doesn't care about people ruining BGs, because there is never a punishment.
This is what made me quit wow for good a few months ago. I loved the close matches, but the balance issues, extreme amount of cc, and premades made pvp unplayable.
why would you play wow just for the pvp lol?play actual pvp focused games like pvp only mmo's,or mobas that are actualy balanced,or shooters
@@deenman23 I never really cared for pve and only liked pvp.
@@deenman23 cuz pvp is still best in wow compared to other mmos. But we're not interested in pve at all. LOL?
@@gustanoid why do this to yourself?
@@deenman23 some ppl prefer playing vs real human minds instead of scripted npcs ya know. Ever guessed that?
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Both these guys premade epic bgs all day everyday. 20-30 people.
Yep, and during korraks revenge it was nonstop there which probably gave epic BG Q’s a bit of a break. It got to the point where if I saw them on my horde I just left the BG before it started, not gonna sit there and constantly let premades farm me
yup, i instant leave when i see these losers on the other team. they're not even good players, they just have the numbers.
This has been happening in the non rated scene for years reaching its peak in early 2024. It’s been brought to light time and time again but nothing was ever done. Imagine my shock when solo que rbgs had this problem. Who could have predicted this? Color me surprised.
This is what is killing PVP, Permastuck 1600 players who think they're good because they sync vs randoms.
What actually is permastuck/hardstuck. From the get go I sensed major manipulation in the blitz lobby. For all we know hardstuck actually means when you play there is a heck of a lot of manipulation going on that we're unaware of and we walk away feeling bad but are actually being robbed.
1800 hard stuck we hit 2k and 2.2k team's ang get wrecked@@musicilike69
At least they are playing the game
Blizzard does not care about pvp, they haven`t in ages, they wont change. Game is slowly in a state of decay
I'm at like 80%+ lose rate when I go Horde. Alliance I can never lose... This addon may be prevelant among Alliance.
Way different experience, the Horde scum is responsible for this kind of foul play! It is coded in your blood. Look at your own Makgoras, honorless.
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@@BIuffwatcher same thing on Ali, sometimes i lose 2 random BGs in a row, sometimes win..
Sounds like me on alliance during DF launch. It would be days until winning a bg.
@@ermahgawd3889 I had the complete opposite experience in my region (winning streak of 30+ games as Alliance).
During day 1 & 2 you had all of the hardcore Horde players queuing as Alliance and utterly destroying the remaining people on their side until they had full gear. After that they swapped back and Alliance had to face fully geared Horde players with only a handful of geared Alliance players that hitched a ride during day 1 & 2 (like myself).
Wild seeing Ruslan-Area52 on there, I’ve come across their premade more times than I want to remember. The games were completely one sided and you get steam rolled- people would leave as soon as they seen Ruslan on the opposing team just because you knew it was hopeless. So many people would leave off the jump, it back fills and they leave too because they see the state of the match. It’s gotten bad to a point that I hardly even pvp anymore and I’m glad people are shedding some light on these underground issues.
If i understand correctly Ruslan is complaining about one sidedness on the alliance side here. I've played a LOT of games with Ruslan and they often queue by themselves or with a few people. Not big premades. Premade community is much bigger on the alliance side, people roll alliance specifically for that.
@ oh wow that’s interesting, I’ve always been horde but rolled alliance for certain racials for warrior and any game against Ruslan, we were absolutely decimated and people would leave before the match even started. It was just a snowball of negative outcomes- especially if the queues were long. I don’t know much about Ruslan so maybe my remark was just ignorant but I can just say from experiences, whatever team they’re on- they dish out a beat down haha
ruslan is in avm and actively supports them dodging any game they know they cant win. don't stand up for that tool. he also has his own community.
@@courgette-bf6zn I kinda suspected that just from my run ins with Ruslan lobbies that something shady was going on, even if we did have a chance against them on the side of alliance - so many people would just leave right at the beginning of the match because we already knew the outcome but my logic was well, I could leave the game and get deserter or just take the 5 minute steamroll of an L (unless they wanted to just farm kills) but when you sit in queue for so long, just adding a deserter debuff to yourself was a lose lose so I just stuck around as frustrating and unenjoyable as it was and that’s just the whole point of why I like that Ven is helping pass this info along to the community too. I’m not hardcore at pvp by any means, got gladiator S4 of dragonflight and just 1800 to get the elite appearances but yea- since TWW, the battleground experience has tanked ☹️
Yep, been in comm with Rusian and many, many games. Usually not that many queuing same time and he might not even have a full group.
Wait.. People do this in regular BGs? Without any actual rewards???
All the time . I unsubbed today bc I was tired of facing obvious premades almost every match 😂
For some people, degenerate fun of stomping others is a reward of its own.
The only reward I can think of is like... the honor level mounts and the marks of honor? I guess people who are bad at PvP might not care about challenge and they just want to get that stuff even if it's not fun.
They couldn't care less about rewards or achievements. They're lowlives who just want to feel good about winning at anything even if it's unfair.
You must remember, their pathetic egos are at risk. These people, that have no status irl.They need SOMETHING to make them feel good, about their miserable existence.
It's sad to see people sharing your video on WoW forum is getting mass reported...
If Blizzard was smart in the slightest, they would be adding the reporter's IPs to a list right about now. We can dream.
meso from avm name is chris cole and he is a blizzard employee they aint changing anything sadly i forget his chan name its like mesostealthy or something like that its in his bio so im sure all the leaders are blizzard
Blizzard should have removed Addons from the game a long time ago, especially those that track boss mechanics, auras, and abilities in PVP. And at the same time improve the information offered by the UI
Dude they implement the visible swirls after 20years.
They just need some system to allow approved addon's and not disallowed. Having addon's that organize your bags, add notes to maps, move your bars around are not cheating.
It'll never happen. Removing addon support will cause more people to leave and cancel their subscriptions which is something I doubt they want anytime soon.
@@theforgeryttv6449 Everyone would be happier with a game design where not 80% of our screens have to be addons and weakauras blasting air horns to make the perfect plays and to react for the swifty 1 shot I win buttons otherwise its a lose in a slower pace where you can keep track of things like on the good ol days where some mistakes were tolerable where as now you make one and its over. However its not going to happen anytime soon. Probably not for 1 or 2 more expansions at least. Blizzard needs 10 years to do anything positive with down syndrome devs. The only addon everyone should need is a fu gladius to track trinkets in pvp and maybe a DBM for pve. The learning curve is so big by now that even OG top players are giving up. I don't even want to mention new players.
They lose everyone by having addons tbh
Thanks for covering this!!!!! ❤
Been communicating this to Blizzard for years. I first saw it when I started in Wrath, a friend tried to get me to do it but I accepted the queue they told me to drop. Discord and reduced number of players made the issue far worse than it's ever been. They can sync into regs as well but it's way less common. This is what new people see when they enter pvp for the 1st time.
This isn't new. This stuff has been going on forever in different ways. Not surprised they are continuing to developed addons to do this. I have even told devs directly about this unfortunately they probably don't have the power to do anything. This has ruined Epic BGs. There are multiple communities that do this kind of stuff.
People have been screaming about this on the BG forums for years.
Devs like grouping up of players because they are socially sticky to the game.
Thats bc meso and a few of the mentioned people in that post are blizzard employees
3:34 - The Reddit user outed himself as ANOTHER pre-made group participant who does the same thing, only not as well. "Communities avoid rival groups" & "another strong community appears". HOW is that other "strong community" appearing IF THEY AREN'T A PREMADE EITHER?!?! You can clearly see 30 people dropping queue and you're telling me they are going to drop queue against a fair 5 man group from another community? Or is it more likely another 30 man group, eh? Which means both sides are doing it. Even in the screenshot they're calling out the BSG community and then calling out the other side has '8 healers', obviously both things indicate (no not definitively but very likely) a premade on the other side. Like I know whenever I see AUGGY on the Alliance side, I lose all hope because I know he is a premade leader and I see the same 15+ names every time I see his name and it's always a complete one sided game.
I've played almost nothing except unranked BG & eBG's since Draenor and on my Horde characters I've gotten to know plethora's of pre-made groups when I see their names in game after entering I know it's going to be a loss because they're pre-made's and on my Alliance characters I see the same thing on Horde side. Everyone has been doing this, but this dude does it better and everyone now all of a sudden notices the issue. I've quit WoW 3 times because the imbalance is horrid. Most all games are complete smashes one side against another, it's rare to get a really good close match where both teams are evenly matched and the score is within a few percentage points on both sides at the end. I don't care if I lose if I know at the end I had a chance to win but didn't play as well as I could have vs I coulda played like Pika and still had zero chance.
For the record, my opinion is to have an unranked mode where it is all solo queue and zero groups can join and queue timers are randomized so it makes it close to impossible, or inconvenient enough to not be worth the effort to premake. [EDIT - or maybe even something like the same Btag can't play a back to back game with a Btag they just played a previous game with...? That sounds interesting...) I do not want ANY of the above nor the lesser quality above and I get the new Blitz does a pretty good job with this but, I'm getting 15+ minute timers there compared to 4 minute timers on unrated and it's a waste of time to play WoW for 3 hours in a night to have only a few matches in unrated. Unrated is supposed to be just for fun.
I wonder if there could be something like a BG - Solo & a BG - Grouped mode where the grouped could be raid groups vs raid groups...I'm sure there's issues with that too but, which is the lesser of two evils?
Blizzard should change queues for regular BGs, epiq BGs and skirmishes. It should work in similar way to solo-. Start only when all players applied their participation.
Also, there could be few sec delay between popups for defferent groups of players to avoid exploits by such addons.
Also that ☝
or just remove api and addons
@@nick11925 Such exploit existed always. Addons only simplify it: you don't need to stay in voice chat or message to everybody to inform about popups. So disabling api won't help. Delay will help, because they won't know if they have proc to the same BG or not.
E.g. some groups get popups immediately and have to apply their participation in 10 sec, but others will get popups with delay of 11 sec.
There are many ways to do that and blizzard know how to do it. They just choose to ignore this problem which is known for months
Why do I keep being surprised at how low people can sink playing this game.. Absolutely pathetic. Hope Blizz does something with this info.
just looked them up, they are all like 1300 rated players lol
Arw they one of those 1,4k arena tards who get 2.8k in soloq bgs and brag about it ?
Wait, looked who up?
Sheesh, this would explain *a lot* about queue times as of recently... This type of behavior has been steadily building since BFA, now it's a full blown operation. This is crazyyyy!
remember when video games were for having fun with friends sometimes especially when it was raining outside?
Is this a new thing? Back in Vanilla, when they changed the honor system from the ladder/rank to a straight up "buy gear with honor" system, we started using an Alterac Valley queue addon. (My memory is a bit fuzzy, but:) We could form a "raid" with the addon. All we had to do was have the battlemaster window open and the addon would all queue us at the same time. I would tell us when everyone's queue popped. If everyone's queue popped at once, we knew we were in the same AV. If only half of the queues popped, we knew we were going to be split so we dropped queue, waited two minute, and just queued again.
When we all got in the same AV, we steamrolled it in 10 minutes, hitting all the objectives that gave honor (Balinda, Bunkers, then Van), leading to crazy amounts or honor per hour.
It is hard for me to believe that in 20 years, people are just learning about addons allowing to exploit the queuing process
that would be oQueue created by tiny of Hydra. They were salty back then with that addon and they are still salty about the new addons doing basicly the same thing. Premades have been a thing since Classic/TBC.
And this is why I quit PVP Blizzard needs to fix this ASAP if not I'm done with PVP for the rest of the expansion or in general cause this is unacceptable pre made groups have to go.
Me and my PVP guild used to engage in this sort of thing as part of our events back in WoD, but the key thing was:
- Our groups of 5 were manually formed.
- We manually queued up.
- We waited for queue pop.
- Once the "leader" of each group realised we'd all got queue pop at the same time, the leader would accept the queue pop and we'd enter the BG.
No addons were involved in how we did it back in the day, was just a fun casual thing we occasionally did as a guild event, and we certainly weren't quitting out just because the enemy team looked threatening.
Wasn't always consistent, sometimes our groups of 5 got split using this method, but we literally did it just so we could play together as a guild for fun, half the players didn't even have full PVP gear.
Sad to see people have took what was something fun, and weaponised it for... Ego I guess?
I have been screaming about this for a long time. I made a full report including screen shots and sent it off to blizzard. I was told that we all sign the same TOS and that was that. It broke my heart to see such disregard for these groups that cheat all day, everyday. Fair consequences should be: Ban and removal of community queuing, removal of all honor levels, and removal off all the addons that they use. Epic bgs are to be a fun casual game that anyone should feel comfortable stepping into. The amount of people I see leaving a game once they realize they are fighting a premade is insane. I dont blame these people for leaving but in the same it creates more of a mess. I hope this video reaches someone at Blizz and they finally see what is going on. Thank you for the video ♥
Rich nerds in hearthstone arena will spend thousands of dollars rerolling decks and use an addon to pick the best possible outcome... That's the level of dirk we're dealing with.
If Blizzard Had braiN: Solution is there already (League) Had massive dodge problems Before You Get More time penalty with each dodge and Rating loss How hard is it?
Thanks for posting, PvP has been un-enjoyable for a while now. I hope they finally stop pretending nothing is happening and do something about this.
@6:10 Bullying. Some find it fun to bully others by dominating them.
because they cant manage to do it IRL ofc. ive yet to see a online bully who isnt a loser irl
it is sadistic behavior they get some type of arousal out of it
At least someone managed to go through the pain of reuniting evidence, this has been going ati least since BfA
and ofc both blizz forums and reddit locked and deleted his post ! at least this video exist as a proof !
This isnt even just a little problem in BG blitz. I've been confused because the patters are very clear yet there are so many in the community who will jump on you and call you a noob just because you mention something like this. I'm at 2.8k rating atm, ques get cancelled constantly and once you do get in to those games its always one sided. Same with win trading, its unexplainable to me how me as a enh shaman can output more healing than a fully geared healer who are close to 2.5k + rating. You are simply not trying in that case, this have happened many games. its a pattern and its obvious at this point
they probably queue at the same time to get in the opposite teams and a healer griefs to boost the other player, atleast that's how eloboosting happens in other games
I think it's more that, how are they circumventing team selection?
@@raiemie7365 I'm totally conviced this is the case
Ye, and not just dropping, they make a deal with other people to join opposite side, run on them and die, then leave. So many times ive seen 10+ people, doing absolute nonsense moves. They move in group, feed ranks, going on base without capping it, you get it, clearely playing to lose, and once the opponent gets adventage, they leave bg. What i want to say, those addons are real, and they are exploited much worse than its presented here
I've had the realization that "The idea of playing WoW is better than actually playing WoW " since around Legion which is why I rarely play it beyond just solo leveling a char every blue moon.
The community is way too unbearable (either extremely suck, horrible attitudes, or both) to deal with in any group content.
Private server is for the itching
You've described all addictive cravings.
epic bg players are actually unhinged... diving into the degeneracy of the guild drama that happens in these unranked modes is wild.
Diddnt Ven not believe this stuff was happening two months ago?
Dude excellent job bringing this forward to the players attention and showing what we can do to stop it.
they do the same in Solo Blitz
The last man standing on retail pvp, truly an inspiration.
Need to perma ban anyone using this
Things like this only serve to reduce the overall player pool.
Why am i not surprised at all.... Blizzard need to get the banhammer out here and deal out many perma bans...
They don't care, only $90 mounts. After all, the bots are having a wonderful time.
@@theforgeryttv6449 Yep, why would Blizzard fix anything when the people who complain about the insane number of cheaters, exploiters, griefers, botters and boosters are the same people who buy every microtransaction and promotional garbage that the company $hi+s out. Honestly, you'd be better off spending your 15$ elsewhere than giving it to Blizzard.
I'm more angry at blizzard for letting this happen than the players actually using it.
I think this is just a presentation of what the addon is capable of, using normal BGS & Epic BGS as a template. This can, and most likely already is being used for things like Shuffle and BGBlitz.
I hope Blizzard does something soon I want to like this game again but currently hate it due to this bullsheet, ** just wanted to add that they can honor farm those PvP Vicious Bloodstone Gems from the vendor and sell them on the AH on my server they are currently going for 3k gold each but a month or 2 back they were upwards of 7k each.
Ruthlessbro does this in epic bg
Just ban all addons for pvp already PLEASE BLIZZARD I BEG YOU!
Would love it! Give us a dps meter and we are golden
@@Bubajumba yeah i mean the entirety of this game has become so hyperinflated that new players just cant catch up on whats happening if they dont know what addons to use etc. imagine if pvp was a gamemode like plunderstorm. it would instantly attract so many players because its just simple to hop on some games and doesnt require you to fix your UI for 7 hrs before u can start playing
@@Kenji-117 Absolutely, sure it would be a bridge to the classic community too
They need to disable all PvP addons. Period.
This is the way. While zoning into the pvp instance it disables all add-ons, flagging those it did while reloading the ui and disabling reload capability by the player. When zoning out after, it enables all the add-ons it previously disabled and reloads the ui while turning back on reload capability. That will shut this kind of garbage down in game. Then if those craptastic people insist on violating the eula then they need to figure how to coordinate outside of the game. Also by killing all add-ons in pvp it levels the playing field as much as it can and forces people to play the game and not add-ons doing it for them.
the last 2 weeks in epic bg's it felt like we were playing nothing but premades. It made stop queuing for epic bgs as Alliance.
Ofc its fun for bg heros to stomp players all day with no competition. These players struggle to get 1500 in any rated bracket so they do stuff like this to boost the egos they have, all while being actually terrible at the game. Bgs are for gearing characters at the start of a patch and then basically useless, that is, unless you’re one of these garbage players.
Maybe it's that and some people like to naturally team up.
@@ermahgawd3889 bro if youre doing this type of thing its not about team ups... its about ego while still having to look at your keybinds to play LMAO
@@RhodesianSuperiority Fortunately you don't get to tell people why they do x y or z thing. Talk about being a narcissist. Sure, some people abuse systems but over generalizing is low resolution thinking.
@@ermahgawd3889 what? did you even watch the video? its not people doing this for fun dude its people gaming the system for free wins.... okay im done arguing with some simp for bug abusing dogwater players, have a shit day.
that would explain every random bg i go into seeming like we're up against an RBG practice team...
just more grist for the "all add-ons should be banned" mill. been singing this tune for 20 years, ever since 2004 I have been playing WoW and I have HATED add-ons since the first time someone said "yo go to this website,download this thing, put it in this folder, and restart your game"
what a bunch of f**king garbage imo
This shit has been going on for years. You just end up getting crushed every EBG and they do it all day and night. Real fun stuff. Ruthless Renegades community does this shit all the time.
This is why I quit last week. Imagine how sorry this company is, not a single word about this topic. Mind you that we’ve been complaining about this for a while now. Not one word…. Fuck em.
The people reporting this are the main ally guild which uses even worst methods for premades. They are just going after the addon that avoids their abusive play. Venruki just got played. Dont you think its weird they have all those screenshots?
This is exactly why all addons (except the UI addons probably) need to be completely removed/banned from wow, and why they should remove every public io and character/account tracking systems. Been saying this for literally years and years...
every epic bg i join now, multiple people as the game is starting : 'it's a premade' .
Yea this plus que times. Half the reason we quit playing a few months ago...
When I forget how despicable wow players can be the UA-cam algorithm gives me a Venruki video to refresh my memory
Something happened over the December holiday period where Alliance pretty much lost a large portion Epics and my Warlock was constantly targeted with a vengeance, I strongly suspected something was wrong. Zado has mainly had a hand in ruining the fun in Epics.
Not sure it can be an "ego thing" when they have to cheat to avoid a potential challenge. How do they mentally square that circle.
What's even the point of playing a PvP game if you are going to do this?
if you ever talked to these players you would see that they genuinely think they are gods gift to the game
It's an ego rush.
This is why I don't pvp in any game, everyone cheats, and I refuse to play against them, so I don't play.
Currently, there are 3 major communities (AVM, DJL, and RR) that dodge and I am assuming it is they who reported many of these links including the reddit thread and had it taken down. Blizzard should be aware of this issue by now and I really hope they act. @Ven and dude who posted this - thank you.
Like how this dude only calls out the Horde communities. Fair and balanced opinion my bruh.
@@uniquehandlegoeshere RR is Alliance.
@@uniquehandlegoeshere AVM is Horde*. RR is alliance but also merc. DJL is Horde. This is not a faction issue. Bruh.
You are making big assumptions. The above video is very one-sided and only shows how a small group is abusing this addon then generalizing that as though every group abuses in the same way. That addon can also be used to simply organize for epic bgs. And at the end of the day, what's wrong with organizing a group for a battleground that requires organization? I see nothing wrong with certain teams wanting to play together.
@@LouisGuidetti AVM is definitely not alliance. And those groups only dodge one player: Oca
epic battleground queue syncing has been ruining the game for years, they need to change the algorithm or dish out bans to people doing it
Savage Alliance Slayers?
Been complaining about this crap for years on the forums. Blizzard ignore it.
This genuinely made me sad to watch, pvp is one of the most fun aspects of wow and to see it being manipulated like this with no repercussions would make me think about quitting wow for good.
can't even begin to understand the reason to game the system like this. not like pvp gear even matters. really no point yet they still do it. must be an ego thing
Literally ban every single player that use this addon and the "hidden" addon.
and the best part is they litteally removed the post on reddit aswell due to 'witch hutting' and 'calling out' Yea no the fucking reddit 'mods' are also in on this too what a genuine joke
The player base that doesn’t have enough integrity to realize stuff like this sucks every ounce of fun out the game is the reason why middle ground players have been absent for years.
“BlAmE bLiZzArD” “YoU CaN Do It ToO”
Yeah we get it, but have fun watching your game become more and more hollow.
Bliz Devs: we defo need more DEI hires to fix this
You're chalked and racist
Pick one:
humans doing human things,
play stupid games, win stupid prizes, or
this is why we can't have nice things.
Things like these are one of many reasons why I'll never respect any "successful" video game player ever again, and you shouldn't too.
Add-ons in general are out of control
...Don't unrated Arenas have a 'Craven' debuff that prevents you from queueing up if you recently queue dodged? Why not apply this to random battlegrounds too, and make the debuff get longer the more you've queue dodged in the past 1-2 weeks?
And we wonder why participation is down. I think ALL add ons should be banned
The one single thing in world of Warcraft that bothers me is blizzard doesn’t force new players to atleast level a toon on cata or classic, they shouldn’t be able to be level 30 in a few hours being new
Keep allowing 3rd party add ons 😂😂😂 bots run on add ons every cheat run on add ons. Whenever Blizzard ban add ons they'll get rid of bots and cheaters
Been running into pre-mades in the Epic BG's and they are rolling everyone. Thought that was supposed to be fixed as well.
genuilely surprised that people are still playing rated battlegrounds
To be honost 30+ man epic premade vs non premade is just LFR for battlegrounds
Great job venruki and whoever made the presentation! This needed to be shared.
I've been solo hunting these "community leaders" for a while on my rogue as they like to farm PuG groups.
Been working on a compilation video of their leaders getting 100% - 0%
ua-cam.com/video/inVmZOEqowY/v-deo.html
niceeeee good shit!
Shall we post videos of you getting pwned and the rest of your salty "Leaders"? Lmao. Don't worry bud we will put you in the wow graveyard tonight, tomorrow, any day you queue during prime time.
I didn't realize random non rated BGs went this deep
Its like someone taking steroids and ice bath recoveries to have an advantage at the local Friday night Happy Hour Cornhole down the block